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Despite lessons, some unaware of King's dream (advocating the abolition of slavery?)

WP: Some unaware of King's dream
College survey shows some think he was advocating the abolition of slavery
By Valerie Strauss
The Washington Post
Updated: 10:26 a.m. ET Jan 15, 2007

WASHINGTON - In a recent survey of college students on U.S. civic literacy, more than 81 percent knew that the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. was expressing hope for "racial justice and brotherhood" in his historic "I Have a Dream" speech.

That's the good news.

Most of the rest surveyed thought King was advocating the abolition of slavery.

The findings indicate that years of efforts by primary and secondary schools to steep young people in the basics of the civil rights leader's life and activities have resulted in a mixed bag. Most college students know who he is -- even if they're not quite clear on what he worked to achieve.

Students and teachers say today's federal holiday marking King's birthday is the one that receives the most attention in schools, in part because the events surrounding the man it commemorates are the most recent.

"I think if there is one holiday on the calendar that is really reflective and thoughtful and has historical content, it is the King holiday," said Cynthia Mosteller, a history teacher at Deal Junior High School in the District. "It is a topic about which literally every student knows something."

How long students will continue to learn it, however, is open to question, students and educators say.

Social studies takes a back seat
The recent survey of college students, conducted by the University of Connecticut's Department of Public Policy for the nonprofit Intercollegiate Studies Institute, suggests that schools are not doing as much as they could to go beyond a cursory history lesson. More than 14,000 college freshmen and seniors at 50 colleges and universities earned an average score of 53.2 percent in the survey.

Many of the 10 federal holidays have become little more than days off school or work, even if they are dedicated to significant Americans, such as Abraham Lincoln and George Washington. Many people have no idea what Labor Day commemorates, educators say.

"Honestly, I never knew what Veterans Day was until last year," said Taneisha Rodney, 14, a ninth-grader at William E. Doar Jr. Public Charter School for the Performing Arts in Northeast Washington.

In many schools across the country, teachers say social studies has taken a back seat under the federal No Child Left Behind law, which stresses math and reading. Squeezing history into the curriculum can be difficult, educators say, and taking time out of a scheduled lesson to use a federal holiday -- even King's -- as a teaching moment can be tough.

"It depends on the teacher and how much they want to deviate from what they are doing," said Adam Zemel, 17, a senior at Yorktown High School in Arlington.

Mark J. Stout, a social studies curriculum coordinator for Howard County schools, said in an e-mail: "We really have a fairly tight and regimented curriculum, so most teachers will either try to integrate holidays into their regular instruction (if there is a connection), or spend a few moments in the beginning of the class talking to the students about the event or person being commemorated. Most likely, they do the latter, but there is no expectation or requirement."

'Heroes and holidays'
King and the civil rights movement are part of the curriculum in many school systems, although lessons do not always coordinate with the holiday. This is true especially in higher grades where broad issues in U.S. history, such as social justice, are addressed in depth.

But for elementary school teachers, federal holidays sometimes are the only chance to teach students about subjects for which they otherwise have little time.

"One of the raps on elementary social studies is that it is all about heroes and holidays, and with standardized testing, it often becomes that," said Andrea S. Libresco, an education professor at Hofstra University in New York who teaches prospective teachers how to use the holidays as teaching opportunities. "People tend to concentrate on English and math."

A danger, educators say, is that lessons about King can become repetitive from year to year, especially when using the same theatrical performances and movies. As a consequence, many students know about King's 1963 "I Have a Dream" speech but not about his seminal "Letter From Birmingham Jail," also written in 1963.

That is why each year Deal Junior High rotates the focus of its assembly , Mosteller said.

Rachel Gillette, 17, a senior at E.C. Glass High School in Lynchburg, Va., said that although the holiday is not a focus in her school, the importance of the day remains strong.

"Despite the lack of class time spent on this day, Martin Luther King Day means much more than Lincoln or Washington's Birthday," Gillette said in an e-mail. "There are local breakfasts in his honor, and the street that he marched down has now been named Martin Luther King Boulevard. Everyone I know knows exactly who he is and what he accomplished."

But some students readily acknowledge that the holiday amounts to little more than a day off school. Some say they fear that King's message of nonviolence is losing relevance in today's violent world.

"It's fading away a little bit, but if we can keep the true value of Martin Luther King in schools, it may come back," said Shanay Miles, 14, a ninth-grader at Doar.

To honor King's legacy, a group of students from Shanay's school will spend today doing community service -- not lounging at home. They will be going to a Boys & Girls Club to help clean, do inventory and other tasks, Doar teacher Terrence Carter said, adding that giving back to the community is the best way to keep King's spirit alive.
© 2007 The Washington Post Company

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Wow. Who are these fools? I don't want to be prejudiced against areas in America, but I grew up in Philly, and black history month for us was always a big deal. Everyone knew their civil rights history.

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Wow. Who are these fools? I don't want to be prejudiced against areas in America, but I grew up in Philly, and black history month for us was always a big deal. Everyone knew their civil rights history.
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Things have changed! It was the same way for me when I was growing up. I teach 3rd grade down in Miami. Just some background on where I teach-My school is in Liberty City, which is one of the worst parts of Miami. All of my students come from the same projects (Pork and Beans, for those who are familiar with Miami), and the school is like 99.9% black. Anyways, most of my children, prior to me teaching them, had heard of Martin Luther King, Jr, but could not tell me what he did, nor were they aware of the Civil Rights Movement. Furthermore, and even worse if you ask me, they had no knowledge that for the greater part of American History, black people were slaves. Now this may not sound that disturbing being that they are only third graders, so I'll provide another example. My roommate teaches high school World History and African American Studies, and during the first week of school, he gives a pretest to his students to determine what they already know. He was telling me that the number one answer students respond with when asked what MLK did, was "he freed the slaves!!"

I truly believe that one of the biggest problems amongst the black community is that they have no knowledge and understanding of our history and ourselves.

I bet MLK is turning in his grave watching what black folks are doing to themselves!
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Things have changed! It was the same way for me when I was growing up. I teach 3rd grade down in Miami. Just some background on where I teach-My school is in Liberty City, which is one of the worst parts of Miami. All of my students come from the same projects (Pork and Beans, for those who are familiar with Miami), and the school is like 99.9% black. Anyways, most of my children, prior to me teaching them, had heard of Martin Luther King, Jr, but could not tell me what he did, nor were they aware of the Civil Rights Movement. Furthermore, and even worse if you ask me, they had no knowledge that for the greater part of American History, black people were slaves. Now this may not sound that disturbing being that they are only third graders, so I'll provide another example. My roommate teaches high school World History and African American Studies, and during the first week of school, he gives a pretest to his students to determine what they already know. He was telling me that the number one answer students respond with when asked what MLK did, was "he freed the slaves!!"
I truly believe that one of the biggest problems amongst the black community is that they have no knowledge and understanding of our history and ourselves.
I bet MLK is turning in his grave watching what black folks are doing to themselves!
Firstly I had no Idea Liberty City was real. I thought it was just a Grand Theft Auto Thing (smh at the saddness of myself ).
I see a few reasons for us not knowing our history.
Firstly it is presented to us as "OUR HIISTORY". That term marginalizes and isolates the contributions of blacks to American society. Our history is American history and should be approached as such. Instead we are supplicated with 28 days of African American cliff notes and blurbs leaving us with a poor synopsis of our achievements.
More specifically with Dr. King we have, since his death, limited his legacy to the I have a dream speech and only a small part of that. We have become over the past few decades a society that wants our information in smaller more digestable bites and we want them faster and faster. So we quote his speeches (often times out of context) and we don't examine the world around our most important figures at the times when they mattered most to get a proper sense of what they were fighting for.
And lastly I think the easiest way to destroy the legacy of a hero is to give him a holiday. MLK day, Vetrans day, Memorial day have all become just three day weekends sith little signifigance. How many of us actually sit and reflect on wht these holidays truly mean? How many of us used MLK day to read up and research why we celebrate him in the first place? I spent the day watching black comedians (who by the way were actually quite funny without resorting to the usual black people vs. white people monolouge or the I'm so ghetto shtick). Lets open schools on these holidays and actually spend the entire day teaching our children, white and black why this man and this day is so important.

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Things have changed! It was the same way for me when I was growing up. I teach 3rd grade down in Miami. Just some background on where I teach-My school is in Liberty City, which is one of the worst parts of Miami. All of my students come from the same projects (Pork and Beans, for those who are familiar with Miami), and the school is like 99.9% black. Anyways, most of my children, prior to me teaching them, had heard of Martin Luther King, Jr, but could not tell me what he did, nor were they aware of the Civil Rights Movement. Furthermore, and even worse if you ask me, they had no knowledge that for the greater part of American History, black people were slaves. Now this may not sound that disturbing being that they are only third graders, so I'll provide another example. My roommate teaches high school World History and African American Studies, and during the first week of school, he gives a pretest to his students to determine what they already know. He was telling me that the number one answer students respond with when asked what MLK did, was "he freed the slaves!!"

I truly believe that one of the biggest problems amongst the black community is that they have no knowledge and understanding of our history and ourselves.

I bet MLK is turning in his grave watching what black folks are doing to themselves!
That's some sad news man. Not only over Martin, but over others, like Armstrong, and Dubois.

I'm glad to hear you're trying to inspire your students. It's a shame it's so easy to give up hope for our ghetto youth though. I bet your job can be really trying. But I admire your integrity.

At a time like this, the history of the civil rights movement gives us a powerful lesson. It lets us know that we can stand up to our government, that we can change things. We could use the will power and confidence these days. A lack of history could make a strong connection to why our youth today feels so powerless, and harbors a bitterness at society, and a feeling of defeat.
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I bet MLK is turning in his grave watching what black folks are doing to themselves!
I agree.
I was in a Comm. class once, and I was talking to the student teacher about African countries, and some ignorant girl says, "Africa IS a country." I told her that it was not, to which she grew belligerent and averred "YES, IT IS!!!" I decided to make a sarcastic remark about the number of capitols this "one country" had, and moved on.
THEN, I was at work explaining the incident, and my manager, who is very vocal about his ideas on ignorant Black people (this is a white person, mind you), butts in on the conversation to say "yeah? Well I got something for both of you. Africa may be a continent, but it's in South America."
Me, and another "ignorant Black" worker, looked at each other with subterranean shame, and continued about our Father's work.
In Kamit (Egypt), only people who had underwent the rigors of Priesthood (Rites of Passage) were allowed to read, and publically express their ideas. And we think they were retrogressive for this, until we see that my manager, for example, has the right to vote.
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Maybe that was supposed to look like something, I don't know. But is there something you wanted to say about my comment?
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i took AA history last semester and the professor was pretty much angry at the students every day, well not mad at me, of course, i got an "A"

...but yeah, a lot of american black kids dont want to learn much and the two white guys in the class were some of the best students of AA history.
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