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Old 02-02-06, 09:56 AM
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This is one hip-hop fan's and writer's analysis of the Cam/Jay situation and a friend of mine who wanted me to pass this along. long read but very good. If you have a minute check it out

Let me know what you think. Intelligent responses only please. No stans-jay's, nas' cam's- btw please let stan have his name back and find another slang-

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Just a few years after Nas won the popular vote and Jay won the presidency, Hip Hop is losing its creative steam and integrity due to propaganda and polemics. Beef is the sure shot way to get attention. A good single may not cut it in order to get the clout from the opening week retail ranking. A good bullet wound gets an artist a free pass to commence a smear campaign on whomever they see fit. Everybody has an opinion, here’s mine.



I’m from Harlem and live in Brooklyn (which is considered a rare move). I deem it necessary to disclose where I’m from because this editorial contains a balanced bias perspective. Biggie, Jay and Nas are my favorite peer emcees, but Cam’ron is my hometown hero. I stand up for him because he’s the underdog whose rhymes always exude hunger and hustle - and he lives it:



“Cats say how’d I get out my deal, dog I pulled out my steal I’m bout it for real, I ran in the Sony building and smacked grown folks around like they were only children, no one out of line cause they spotted 9’s, I want out and y’all sign on the dotted line, word homie I ain’t kidding you hops, only one to leave Sony without getting dropped.”





All true. I also like Cam simple because he’s relentless with cocky humor. Unfortunately, I’m not writing to praise him, I’m writing to apologize. In 1999, he said “I’m the best just not promoted right.” I feel you (no-homo), but (no-homo), in 2006, you have a clear lane to prove it and going after Jay-Z is your first move? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Now don’t be sensitive and confuse critique with hate, but I’m disappointed. Remember, just cause I like you doesn’t mean I can’t disagree with you. I actually don’t have to preach to you because you know exactly what you’re doing. Your rhymes on the new Funk Master Flex’s Car Show album are fire, but the intro misleading our youth about rejecting college as an option, c’mon we have enough social ills. This recent stunt was raw, and word to ODB, I like it like that. However, I can’t applaud you’re tactics of propaganda because it imitates those of right-wing conservatives. Welcome to new spin city.



I first peeped it with the Murder Inc movement because I couldn’t figure out how people accepted all of these regurgitated Bad Boy hits. Then I realized that they benefited from a new generation of youth who got to watch rap on MTV like it was always there. They didn’t see all the artists that slowly broke down the door, they didn’t hear Ice Cube say “…on MTV but they don’t care, they’ll have a new ***** next year.” 50 stomped Ja Rule because audiences began recognizing Ja as a factory rapper off the assembly line. If Ja Rule had true skills, he’d still be around. I can’t think of one line for line verse from Ja Rule that was a quotable lyrical murder. He was all hooks, energy and delivery. That’s when the game changed. Ashanti’s debut song used B.I.G.’s biggest hit. That’s cheating, but whatever, I’ll stick to the Hip Hop. My overall point is that the Dip Set movement benefits from a new generation who did not witness Jay’s stepping stone singles, his trend setting zeitgeist or visceral gumption. Hence, when you compound Jay’s lyrics that pay homage to B.I.G., it will sound like plagiarism to someone born in 1990. The poison planted allows a sixteen year old to feel skeptical about a Jay-Z sixteen-bar verse that he wrote when they were six. Now I see how easy it was Greeks to steal from the Egyptians and for King James to make his version.



Let me play Jay for a moment. “I’m not a biter, I’m a writer for myself and others,” I don’t need to mention names (Dr. Dre). “I say a B.I.G. verse, I’m only biggin up my brother,” I knew dude, we bonded through telekinesis on the beat, plus we were gonna form a group together called The Commission. “I’m biggin up my Boro,” we were both from Brooklyn. “I’m big enough to do it,” you know I’ve had a trailblazing career on my own two feet. “I’m that thorough,” I have meticulous follow through and it’s hard to pull my card. “Plus I know my own flow is foolish,” B.I.G.’s rhymes are not my crutch. “So,” allow me to grab my nuts and give you another B.I.G. quote from a less known Tracey Lee album cut. “The rings and things you sing about, bring’em out, it’s hard to yell when the ba-rrel’s in your mouth” I rest my case and will continue to keep his spirit alive because he was that important to us.



Now I was impressed how you included an intro to your song with over 7 minutes of Jay in reverse “I’m a biter, not a writer.” It proves once again that the masses are asses lead by carrots. If you say there are weapons of mass destruction enough and emphasize nuclear proliferation the right way, you can take a nation to war to ensure that 90% of the world’s wealth is still controlled by 1% of the world’s population. If you had a time capsule for 2006, you can almost make people in the future believe that Jay was an ersatz emcee. One problem, y’all came out around the same time and he’s box-sets ahead of you. If only Mase appeared in the “Horse and Carriage” video. Like Bush, did you think this through? Now, what happens if Juelz Santana (a Def Jam artist) has to choose sides? I know it seems impossible now, but look at the break-ups we’ve witnessed. I’m just sayin…look at the people who have chosen to side with President Carter; Foxy Brown, Steve Stoute, R. Kelly, Large Professor testified on his behalf to Jay pulling out the Tech-9 on tour, Kanye, Lyor, Dame fired a whole staff, Jay re-hired them, the list goes on…



This brings us to your relationship with Damon Dash. Fasten your seatbelts we’re about to hit turbulence. Despite all of his ex- hard knock murder Marcy ties, Sean Carter displays class and even worst, dare I say, diplomacy. When you were vice-president for a week, a lot of your cronies were yelling “Dip-Set Taliban.” That’s some ignorant **** in a post-9/11 New York. The Blueprint “dropped the same day as Twin Towers, I showed power, still I showed compassion for others sent money and flowers,” so how could he do the “Welcome to New York City” video with you or have clientele come by the office with your people waving anti-patriotic pink flags. Everybody could see that you being VP would basically unbalance the effective Dame, Kareem and Jay triangle offence. But you’re not mad at that Cam, because you understand that move. It was about to be a coup d’etat at Roc-a-fella and you had a smug mug cause finally Dame was the shot caller you had been missing to elevate the game. Searching for another big brother to replace what Lance “Un” Rivera couldn’t do. Everybody knows you’re far from dumb and you’re smart enough to know all the greats had a power broker beside them to close deals, exchange favors and push buttons. B.I.G. had Puff, Pac had Suge, Snoop had Dre, now you were re-united like Peaches and Herb with your Harlem homie who understands the hustle – Dame. Fast forward to today, Dame’s status ain’t the same. Every time it’s time for your reign your big brothers get cut or cut off. Since three out of five of your gripes had to do with Dame and none of the reasons had to do with money or family, you’re looking somewhat, emotional (I hated writing that).



Cam, your wordplay is like a combination of Eminem and Jay, which is a high compliment. Unfortunately you’re arrogance clouds the purpose that is contained in their rhymes. You’re some one with ultimate talent and puddled eyes like Kevin Garnett. As someone who always brings your name up in conversations regarding the best emcees I feel entitled to say, no I can’t say it. Okay, brace yourself and respect me as a man who is signing his name at the end of this. Your actions resemble penis envy. If it was just about Biggie’s lyrics, you would be calling out Lil’ Kim.



Your equal envy of Pac got you following his footprints of becoming your most convincing movie role. B.I.G said he saw the “Bishop” in Pac’s eyes similar to the “I’ll still be the kingpin” look of Rico we’ve been seeing in you. I know bullets blur reality, just remember I not your enemy, offing me does nothing but make my ghost your shadow. So as you manipulate history, you could big up Big L all you want but I remember when people used to say that he was just a Nas knock off.



Nas’s said, “excuse me is that your ***** in my 6, turning up the volume when she hears my hits.” Then Jay made a song (originally with just him and Twista) featuring Missy on the hook taking Nas’s line “Is that your *****?” It was very subtle, but that’s how dons wage war. When Cube left NWA, he never mentioned or dissed them in first solo album. The people did the voting and “America’s Most Wanted” went platinum – period. Cam, you got the pulse of the streets now, just rock. Your complaints may win the popular vote on the corners but they kill the lines of communication and respect to those closest who want to see you win. God knows you’re just as witty as Hov (“I’m in the whip-pedal smashing it, Mase went to church, settle down imagine it, who me? I’m devil’s adovate”), but he doesn’t cut off industry lifelines. He strengthens them with lines like “I know who I paid God, Searchlight publishing.” Now that probably went over the head of the average teen-boppers who doesn’t know MC Search, 3rd Bass or his single “Back to the Grill,” but it solidified Jay as a dope rhyme writer and check writer.



Cam, now that you and your die hard fans have written me off as a Jay **** rider, keep in mind that I didn’t even want to dissect how in your self-confessional excerpts of biting, you excluded all of the Jay lyrics and flows that came out you mouth on the RPM promotional mix CD after you signed to Roc-a-fella. I’m listening to it as I write cause it’s hot! It’s just more proof that you’re smart. But, that’s just an old after hours spot trick. You give the bouncer your weapon before you get searched so he doesn’t frisk you. The bouncer rewards you by holding it for you, not even thinking that you have another tucked snug on your body. He definitely took one for Hip Hop, because this causing controversy before a release date is wack. I guess if Jay were to answer he’d sample himself saying, “*****s wake up on my ****, eat some breakfast first.” Sorry Cam. Dueces.
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Old 02-02-06, 10:14 AM
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Had some good points about Cam but gave Jay a free ride on everything he could have been called on. Definitely biased.
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Old 02-02-06, 10:18 AM
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Had some good points about Cam but gave Jay a free ride on everything he could have been called on. Definitely biased.

Basically. Most commentary on this has been one-sided bias.
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Old 02-02-06, 10:31 AM
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I appreciate a well thought out argument. I too thought his attack on Jay was a little too crass. He could've played it real smooth this time around and reaped massive rewards. Who knows though, this whole thing hasn't played itself out yet, but if Jay does figure to respond he can only expect to be caught in 100-years war cuz the Dips will not stop.
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jay-z diickrider
and he even calls it himself/herself in the last paragraph
"cam now that your diehard fans have written me off as a jay-z diickrider", its funny because I am not responsible for that, the author is.


"zeitgeist or visceral gumption"? get the fuuck out of here, is this person dying to sound smart?


to me this sounds like a girl wrote it,
its funny to me how she mentioned that "thats not how dons wage war", this biitch actually thinks that cam dissed him out of the blue - when theres been subliminals bein thrown for the past 4 years
cam even brought that to attention in "you got to love it"

"stop making secret songs like mase"
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well written, a lot of truth here.
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Old 02-02-06, 10:54 AM
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jay-z diickrider
and he even calls it himself/herself in the last paragraph
"cam now that your diehard fans have written me off as a jay-z diickrider", its funny because I am not responsible for that, the author is.


"zeitgeist or visceral gumption"? get the fuuck out of here, is this person dying to sound smart?


to me this sounds like a girl wrote it,
its funny to me how she mentioned that "thats not how dons wage war", this biitch actually thinks that cam dissed him out of the blue - when theres been subliminals bein thrown for the past 4 years
cam even brought that to attention in "you got to love it"

"stop making secret songs like mase"
a guy wrote it and the same way that other people are able to read the story and feel there is a slant to his opinion, if you feel strongly about the issue already without reading the story, I feel you already comin in with your opinion already set without trying to see the other prospective.I'm really not interested in oh he's a stan or whatever. People should be able to have opposing views without relegating eachother to dickriders or dummies or whatever as long as you are making your point

I personally feel there is a lot of truth in what he is saying and you can like an artist and not ride with them through every little thing they do. I like Cam and Jay alot and I feel the article really addressed people who fall into that category. You don't have to be a jay dickrider just because you feel Cam didn't handle himself well in this or that Jay did handle himself well, or vice-versa. At the end of the day. It all about how you perceive the situation that formulates your opinion and he spoke on his
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jay-z diickrider
and he even calls it himself/herself in the last paragraph
"cam now that your diehard fans have written me off as a jay-z diickrider", its funny because I am not responsible for that, the author is.
obviously you dont get what he was saying. he was saying that because he was criticizing cam, his diehard groupies like you would automatically call him a "jay dikrider" simply because they dont like what he's saying. whats the 1st thing out of your mouth? "jayz dikrider", sad.
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obviously you dont get what he was saying. he was saying that because he was criticizing cam, his diehard groupies like you would automatically call him a "jay dikrider" simply because they dont like what he's saying. whats the 1st thing out of your mouth? "jayz dikrider", sad.

but the thing is, he is a jay-z diickrider
and he tried to cover that up by saying hes from harlem

it really felt like a girl wrote that shiit
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The main point was to shyt on Cam and show where his strategy went wrong. So him glossing over Jay's end of it is understandable. He's not the topic.
Article is more a perspective on Cam, he left Jay out.
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good article

personally i think the beef is less about cam and more about dipset

they pretty much got streets on lock (regardless who wants to say whatever)

cam diss jay
jay sends in the troops
dipset destroys the troops
jay then has to respond

i personally think that was the plan, but cam should have kept rocking and waited, but he gotta sell records cause of that new deal, even though record sales for dip set artist will never be on some pop ish
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but the thing is, he is a jay-z diickrider
and he tried to cover that up by saying hes from harlem

it really felt like a girl wrote that shiit
you just dont like what he said or the opinions he expressed. what cant you just take the article for what it is, instead of tryna label him as some "jay dikrider" so you can discredit what he's saying? i guess you arent smart enough to give a retort to the article so you try and dismiss it by labeling dude as a jay dikrider. which part of the article signifies his "jay dikrider" status?
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The main point was to shyt on Cam and show where his strategy went wrong. So him glossing over Jay's end of it is understandable. He's not the topic.
Article is more a perspective on Cam, he left Jay out.
he didnt leave jay out, he talked about jay. the article is basically about cam attacking jay and what its really about. he talks about how cam's so called reasons for beefing with jay are just a smoke screen to cover up the fact that this is all a stunt to make money.
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I agree...Cam should have left Jay at 'The Bigger Picture' and left it at that. For all the hate he gets, Cam's been relevant for a good 8-9 years now, and shows no indications of fizzling out. He's been signed that whole time, and he has his own movement/"brand" so to speak. He's done a lot of big things in his time in the game. So for him to come at Jay like this seemed like a poorly thought out move. Plus, the diss was wack...

He should have just did some videos and put the movie out. If the album has good singles, people will buy it.
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he didnt leave jay out, he talked about jay. the article is basically about cam attacking jay and what its really about. he talks about how cam's so called reasons for beefing with jay are just a smoke screen to cover up the fact that this is all a stunt to make money.
Uh the whole article is an open letter to Cam, none of it is addressed to Jay.
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Uh the whole article is an open letter to Cam, none of it is addressed to Jay.
only parts of it are addressed to cam, but i nver denied that. i said he didnt leave jay out of the article, the article is basically about cam attacking jay and what it was really about. cam is the 1 who initiated this whole thing so natuarally he talks about cam more, but he didnt leave jay out.
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