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Reporting from Paris - In a sign of latent fears of Islamic influence in Switzerland, voters on Sunday approved a constitutional ban on the construction of minarets on Muslim places of worship.

There are only four minarets atop mosques in the small Alpine country, but the two right-wing parties that sponsored the referendum cast it as a political question about the assimilation of Muslims into Swiss life.

The minaret "is a political symbol against integration; a symbol more of segregation, and first of all, a symbol to try to introduce Sharia law parallel to Swiss rights," Ulrich Schluer said in a telephone interview. Schluer is one of the leaders of the Egerkingen Committee, which authored the bill, and a lawmaker from the conservative Swiss People's Party.

Leaders of Switzerland's Islamic community of about 350,000 people said they were baffled by the arguments of the referendum's proponents and rejected equating minarets with Sharia, or Islamic law.

The minaret is "one part of our religion and culture, and we have the right to it," said Mutalip Karaademi. Minarets are not used to call Muslims to prayer in Switzerland.

Karaademi, 54, a furniture salesman who also serves as leader of a Muslim cultural center, helped spark the debate. Several years ago he asked the northern town of Langenthal whether he could build a minaret on a mosque that serves nearly 3,000 families. Authorities initially approved it, but a backlash helped launch the referendum drive.

By taking their proposal to a national vote, the Swiss People's Party and the Federal Democratic Union bypassed lawmakers' attempts to shoot down the bill as discriminatory and unconstitutional.

Many such proposals in Switzerland's system of direct democracy are turned down, but Sunday's approval by 57.5% of voters illustrated an anxiety that the political establishment had underestimated, said analyst Lukas Golder of the political think tank gfs.bern.

"This is a sign that the issue was only covered on the surface, and now it has come up, and the political elite can see that the broader public perceives real problems about the integration of Muslims in our society," Golder said.

The committee's campaign used posters showing a Swiss flag pierced by black, missile-like minarets, and a woman in a full-body Islamic covering. The campaign fanned criticism that it would damage Switzerland's international image and harm religious tolerance.

Initiative sponsors said they wanted to prevent Islamic extremism from seeping across the borders from other European countries with large Muslim populations.

"When you look at the European Union, where are there extremists?" asked Schluer. "In the suburbs and ghetto banlieues of Paris and London. . . . We don't want that in Switzerland."

He said Muslims were welcome in Switzerland but must assimilate into Swiss society.

In a statement, the Swiss Federal Council, a seven-member executive body, said it respected the decision of voters.

"Consequently, the construction of new minarets in Switzerland is no longer permitted," it said, adding that the four existing minarets would be allowed to stand and that there was no prohibition on the construction of new mosques.

The ban will face legal challenges. Manon Schick, Amnesty International representative in Geneva, said banning minarets violates international law and guarantees of religious freedom.

Youssef Ibram, the head of a large mosque in Geneva, said he was stunned by the vote.

"I interpret this vote as the Swiss way of saying that the presence of Muslims here poses a major question," he said.

Ibram's mosque, which holds about 3,000 people during an average Friday prayer ceremony, was vandalized for the first time in more than 30 years as Sunday's vote approached.

He said pink paint was splashed on the building facade, rocks were thrown at its entrance, and in a drive-by incident a fake Muslim call to prayer was recited over a loud-speaker.

Lauter is a special correspondent.
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Yup, Europe is getting more racist for each day, specially against muslims. This move will hit Switzerland economically but the EU court will probably disapprove this vote.
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Yup, Europe is getting more racist for each day, specially against muslims.
Muslimes are not a race.

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Y do these immigrant Muslims have to always be so DAMN demanding when they migrate to new countries? If they want every aspect of their religion/culture respected to the letter/Qu'ran, then Y did they leave their own country? Can someone/anyone answer this ? Y these immigrant Muslims want-it their way & have no respect for others.
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do muslims really need that in switzerland?
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Y do these immigrant Muslims have to always be so DAMN demanding when they migrate to new countries? If they want every aspect of their religion/culture respected to the letter/Qu'ran, then Y did they leave their own country? Can someone/anyone answer this ? Y these immigrant Muslims want-it their way & have no respect for others.
They are somewhat overbearing in my opinion.. they had a minaret issue here in south saint Louis also.. Of course people respect Muslim culture and tradition but there has to be some compromise.. Non Muslims don't wanna hear this 5 times a day.
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Y do these immigrant Muslims have to always be so DAMN demanding when they migrate to new countries? If they want every aspect of their religion/culture respected to the letter/Qu'ran, then Y did they leave their own country? Can someone/anyone answer this ? Y these immigrant Muslims want-it their way & have no respect for others.

this. muslims need to learn to assimilate into the countries they willingly choose to go to. We all know this would not work if a large contingent of christians attempted to move into a predominantly islamic country. The double standard is rediculous.
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I fully and wholeheartedly support this move by Switzerland. You gotta respect the Swiss when they're pretty much being honest and letting Muslims know that they don't belong...GOOD FOR THEM. I hope something like that happens here...Muslims live in the west and get too comfortable, forget their religion, and start thinking that western liberalism is compatible with Islam (groups like CAIR are an example). Wake-up calls like this are always welcome to me. WE shouldn't need minarets, the earth is our masjid.

The funny thing is that all of the Muslims in Switzerland are from Albania, Kosovo, or Turkey, none of them could be considered "conservative" or "orthodox" by any means. There are currently TWO minarets in Switzerland and FOUR were in planning, so all that talk about "immigrant muslims enroaching upon swiss values" is typical xenophobia...still though, it's an honest representation of what the majority of swiss feel, and muslims have to accept that.
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They are somewhat overbearing in my opinion.. they had a minaret issue here in south saint Louis also.. Of course people respect Muslim culture and tradition but there has to be some compromise.. Non Muslims don't wanna hear this 5 times a day.





Yeah! just image the outrage if our Church's rang their bells 5 times a day everyday....I just DON'T follow the culture of 7th century & Y certain Muslims have no respect for our values and culture.....seriously Y do they leave their homeland?



It's just so damned disrespecting of these Muslims to have no respect for others....I'm talking about the diehards within NOT the large percentage who are decent respectful law abiding citizens IE Moderates etc.,Orthodox Muslims,like you said HARD TIMES they don't want to make any compromises and, if they do the radicals within will retaliate in some form or another & of course their Imams WON'T/? don't usually snitch them out.
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this. muslims need to learn to assimilate into the countries they willingly choose to go to. We all know this would not work if a large contingent of christians attempted to move into a predominantly islamic country. The double standard is rediculous.
The Muslim world isn't in the economic position to accept any kind of massive immigration, let alone a "large contingent" of Christian immigrants.

With that being said, there are plenty of Christians living in the Middle east, for over a thousand years. Likewise, there are Churches and Synagogues all over the Muslim world...I know a few people who went to catholic school in PAKISTAN before immigrating to the United States, y'all need to stop believing everything you read in the papers.

The only notable country where Christianity isn't allowed to be publicly displayed is Saudi Arabia, but Saudi Arabia is a special case because it is the birthplace of Islam and considered to be holy. If people aren't asking why there aren't Synagogues within the Vatican, then they shouldn't ask why Churches can't be built in Mecca.
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