Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian slave whose head looks like a raisin."
Sahih Bukhari 9:89:256
heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom." [9:61] "Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey's.'
Ishaq 243
It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah’s army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent.
Ishaq 450
The black troops and slaves of the Meccans cried out and the Muslims replied, ‘Allah destroy your sight, you impious rascals.’
Ishaq 374
No wise comments.. I'm serious about this.. There's alot more of these pejorative terms to describes blacks.. I also have problems with the bible.. should black people even have a religion ?
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I think black people(and other people for that matter) should adopt a more humanistic world view(won't say religion) that deals more with being a better person while on this earth rather than submitting to religious dogma that may not even help the human race, in short I think it would be to our best interest if people embraced secular humanism because the only thing we're certain of is that we can make the world better for our children.
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Black people should only believe in GOD and thats where it should stop.
Black people need to reexamine why they pray to a white man....LIKE SERIOUSLY.
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Whatever was the origin of Africa really. If you are gonna keep it real then you really got to keep it real. However, what if you are not 100% African? And why do people always talk about the white Jesus, you aren't praying to what the media has drawn Jesus out to be. You are praying to Jesus.
Nothing in those narrations was derogatory against Black people. That first one you quoted even advised Muslims to obey their rulers regardless what their race is. What does that tell you?
Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian slave whose head looks like a raisin."
Sahih Bukhari 9:89:256
@ simultaneously denouncing and promoting prejudice.
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Freaks dont grind to Bob Marley, that sh1t is for pothead white boys.
I think black people(and other people for that matter) should adopt a more humanistic world view(won't say religion) that deals more with being a better person while on this earth rather than submitting to religious dogma that may not even help the human race, in short I think it would be to our best interest if people embraced secular humanism because the only thing we're certain of is that we can make the world better for our children.
100% c/s.
I think the dogma of any black religion should be a search for truths within many different faiths in order to come closer to understanding life and existence. The humanistic approach is what should be the moral base for such a religion.
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Whatever was the origin of Africa really. If you are gonna keep it real then you really got to keep it real. However, what if you are not 100% African? And why do people always talk about the white Jesus, you aren't praying to what the media has drawn Jesus out to be. You are praying to Jesus.
Either way its a white dude.Africans neva prayed to any man with that name.
Africans believed in GOD and GOD only.Your Christian up bringing clouds your mind from tha truth.And after you saying "you aren't praying to what the media has drawn Jesus out to be. You are praying to Jesus." you still attended a church that has a big ass picture of a white savior on their wall.Slavery has not ended for everyone.
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I think black people(and other people for that matter) should adopt a more humanistic world view(won't say religion) that deals more with being a better person while on this earth rather than submitting to religious dogma that may not even help the human race, in short I think it would be to our best interest if people embraced secular humanism because the only thing we're certain of is that we can make the world better for our children.
i can go with that
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Well, the implicit connection between Ethiopians and slaves, not to mention the whole raisin head thing. That seems to be unconsciously, if not more openly prejudiced to me, which sort of undermines the exhortation to not be prejudiced. It's sort of like saying, "Don't be racist, even to a dirty Arab who smells like camel piss" or "Listen to your master, even if he's a greasy, illiterate Mexican," etc.
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Freaks dont grind to Bob Marley, that sh1t is for pothead white boys.
Well, the implicit connection between Ethiopians and slaves, not to mention the whole raisin head thing. That seems to be unconsciously, if not more openly prejudiced to me, which sort of undermines the exhortation to not be prejudiced. It's sort of like saying, "Don't be racist, even to a dirty Arab who smells like camel piss" or "Listen to your master, even if he's a greasy, illiterate Mexican," etc.
Fact is, the Arabs were and are still a proud people, and one of the purposes of Islam was to absolve ties to tribe and race in an effort to realize one unified Muslim Ummah. The Prophet spoke to his people in ways they would understand. The Raisin-head thing is always cited as deragotory or racist, but people fail to realize that Arabs routinely labeled things according to what they resembled...that's the spirit of the Arabic language. Comparing that to saying someone smells like piss is one hell of a stretch.
A great number of the slaves in the region at that time happened to be Black Ethiopians, I don't see the "prejudice" in acknowledging that, especially when the Prophet(saw) sought refuge with an Ethiopian KING during the first hijrah.
The threadstarter is completely ignorant of the science of Hadith. When he quoted Ibn Ishaq I knew this guy was ignorant. In the science of hadith, a hadith is graded depending on its authencitiy and strength. Various classificiations include sahih (authentic), hasan (fair), da'if (weak), majhul (unknown), gharib (rare), maqtu (disconnected), marfu (traceable), mauquf (untraceable), mursal (disreferred), musnad (complete), etc etc. Furthormore if I were to ask you what category those hadith by Ibn Ishaq fell under, you wouldnt be able to tell me, which is why most non-Muslims arent even qualified to discuss hadith. On top of that, most of them copy and paste instead of shifting through the books, and a muhaddith (a scholar of hadith) would correct these people. I have actually read Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, and Bulugh Al-Maram by Ibn Hajar. And I also have Imam Malik's "Muwatta" at my disposal. So who you rather take a hadith from? Me or you?
Now speaking of Muhammad ibn Ishaq, he is known to have reported many da'if ahadith due to the fact that he did not include isnad on many of his works. Let us remember that Ibn Ishaq was a historian who wrote sirra, and not a MUHADDITH. His works are used for sirra, not ahadith. An example of a Muhaddith is someone like Imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal (ra) who wrote "Musnad Ahmed", or a contemporary alim like Sheikh Albani (ra). A muhaddith truly understands the field of hadith. And in the science of hadith, a narration must have an isnad for it to even be taken seriously or used for FIQH. And the isnad, which is its chain of narration, is how you trace the authenticity of a report. Without the isnad, we dont even take hadith or use it for fiqh. Also regarding some of the narrations in which Ibn Ishaq did use an isnad, some of those isnads are very weak, or da'if. He used weak sources, and his method of taking hadith dont stand up to the methods of people such as Imam Bukhari (ra), Imam Muslim (ra), Abu Daud (ra), Al-Tirmidhi (ra), Al-Nasa'i (ra), Ibn Khuzaimah (ra), etc. Ibn Hajar quoted from most of the early esteemed scholars of hadith in his book "Bulugh Al-Maram" and Ibn Ishaq is not listed (yet most of this thread is based off him). Why isnt he listed? Because he is not muhaddith, and he is used for sirra, not hadith. But when you only copy and paste, you dont know the depths of the science of hadith.
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