Politicians like Weiner rely on imbeciles like ThaReal who don't understand the procedural back and forth on votes like this.
Don't ever accuse liberals of being intelligent.....
The GOP has made the decision to let some of the real 9/11 heroes suffer and die because they weren't allowed to make the bill any worse and add useless pork. Or was it that they wanted to give these selfless American heroes even less? Clearly the lives of these brave patriots don't matter to them more than being able to sneak a few provisions under the table.
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So now some members of the GOP are saying that they might have voted for the bill if they'd been able to add a provision that prevented illegal immigrants from receiving the aid. Besides not bringing this up properly earlier, they seem to have forgotten that the bill already has provisions for determining the identity of the recipients, but furthermore, it is primarily for first responders. How exactly are illegal immigrants going to get jobs that involve first response? And assuming by some mysterious circumstance that a few did, was shutting them out worth the health and even the lives of all the other 9/11 heroes?
But it gets even worse. The bill was created because these people, many of whom are now suffering and even dying, selflessly risked their own health and safety to help the victims of the attack on the Towers. But no, according to the House GOP leaders, these heroic individuals and 9/11 victims haven't earned any compensation for their sacrifices, and this bill is just a "massive entitlement program."
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Freaks dont grind to Bob Marley, that sh1t is for pothead white boys.
Well it is an entitlement program. Like meta said, most of the victims have been compensated, why are we still forking over all this money...for what? Why? All of y'all in here on weiners d!ck (no pun intended) are just as guilty of playing politics with 9-11 as the repubs are. You guys now see your chance at portraying republicans as evil money hoarding scum and you're taking it - all at the expense of 9-11 victims, oh sorry, I mean heroes.
Well it is an entitlement program. Like meta said, most of the victims have been compensated, why are we still forking over all this money...for what? Why? All of y'all in here on weiners d!ck (no pun intended) are just as guilty of playing politics with 9-11 as the repubs are. You guys now see your chance at portraying republicans as evil money hoarding scum and you're taking it - all at the expense of 9-11 victims, oh sorry, I mean heroes.
Entitlement implies that these people are receiving something for nothing, which is an absurd suggestion. Furthermore, how exactly have most of the victims been justly compensated? Last I checked, the most prolific program allowed people to receive free vacuum cleaners to get rid of stray 9/11 dust from their homes...not exactly life-saving, and I should know...some of my relatives who worked 14 hours a day at Ground Zero from 9/12 onwards are still waiting on proper compensation.
It doesn't matter who proposed the bill (which, btw, was co-sponsored by several Republicans.) It was a good measure and Weiner is completely right to call out those who claimed to have wanted to pass the bill and made up all kinds of excuses to save face for voting no. If you don't want to vote for it, then vote no, but don't puzzyfoot around the issue and try to play both sides. That's a valid point no matter who it comes from and who it targets, and some Republicans agreed with Weiner there, too.
And why the mockery of the term heroes? These people are heroes as real as any. Many of them were volunteers. I don't see people complaining when 18 year olds who signed up for the reserves and didn't realize they were going to get sent to Iraq are referred to as heroes when they're out there against their will. These people were as selfless as anyone else who deserves the title.
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Originally Posted by Mowgli
Freaks dont grind to Bob Marley, that sh1t is for pothead white boys.
I'm on my iPod touch and for some reason I can't quote posts but whatever. All I'm saying is that at some point there has to be a limit to all this money we are spending. 9-11 was a decade ago and we are in dire economic straights right NOW, it's not like we haven't helped anybody who rushed to help that day, because we did...sure there are going to be people who aren't satisfied but hey, that's gonna be the case no matter what. At the end of the day we've got a fukkin' state to run here. Making sure 9-11 first reponders don't have to worry about their health and/or medical care is a noble cause but ultimately unrealistic, besides, I'm sure we can find a plethora of causes to throw money at that are equally as noble but don't have the luxury of being associated with September 11th 2001, and won't inspire empty suits in congress to get up and grandstand for political purposes. Such is life man.
In regards to the term hero I was being sarcastic because it seems that we only refer to these people as heroes or magnify their efforts when we want to feel good about ourselves, attempt to make a point, or when it is politically convenient to do so. Same goes for the troops. Yeah, we all support the troops so long as we don't have to think about them. It's all bullsh!t.
I'm on my iPod touch and for some reason I can't quote posts but whatever. All I'm saying is that at some point there has to be a limit to all this money we are spending. 9-11 was a decade ago and we are in dire economic straights right NOW, it's not like we haven't helped anybody who rushed to help that day, because we did...sure there are going to be people who aren't satisfied but hey, that's gonna be the case no matter what. At the end of the day we've got a fukkin' state to run here. Making sure 9-11 first reponders don't have to worry about their health and/or medical care is a noble cause but ultimately unrealistic, besides, I'm sure we can find a plethora of causes to throw money at that are equally as noble but don't have the luxury of being associated with September 11th 2001, and won't inspire empty suits in congress to get up and grandstand for political purposes. Such is life man.
In regards to the term hero I was being sarcastic because it seems that we only refer to these people as heroes or magnify their efforts when we want to feel good about ourselves, attempt to make a point, or when it is politically convenient to do so. Same goes for the troops. Yeah, we all support the troops so long as we don't have to think about them. It's all bullsh!t.
I would agree, but the fact is that we haven't yet helped all the people who showed up. Meta mentioned a $713 mil settlement; that isn't for first responders, it's for construction workers and the like. None of the people who would benefit from this particular bill will be getting any of that settlement money. Second, he says most of the money will be going to lawyers. What money? This bill isn't about a settlement or a money handout. It's about healthcare aid, and I'd like to see how the lawyers are planning to get in on that. As for the rest of it, well, you're entitled to the idea that the money needs to be saved or spent elsewhere, I'm not going to argue with that because it's a valid opinion, though I disagree.
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