Why does being gay bother people so much?

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Originally Posted by TheReal32

Separation of Church and State says that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." That means that the government cannot legally support Christianity or any other religion. Laws cannot be made explicitly based on Christianity or any other religion's teachings.

where does it say that? just asking

in addition, christians or most of them were considered to be christians. created the laws/constitution, our government setup. you are influenced by what you know and see on a daily basis. even if you're atheist but born in a society that is primarly christian based. even your morals/ values will be similar or spot on to that of christians. which will seep into your rules and regs. all this "creator" talk in the constitution tells you that.

the entire reason americans believed they should and could be FREE is because they thought it was a GOD given right.

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Originally Posted by rapbeats

where does it say that? just asking

in addition, christians or most of them were considered to be christians. created the laws/constitution, our government setup. you are influenced by what you know and see on a daily basis. even if you're atheist but born in a society that is primarly christian based. even your morals/ values will be similar or spot on to that of christians. which will seep into your rules and regs. all this "creator" talk in the constitution tells you that.

the entire reason americans believed they should and could be FREE is because they thought it was a GOD given right.

It says that in the Constitution.

You're right that people are affected by their environment, but that still doesn't mean that Christianity should get special attention from the government.

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Originally Posted by Chris Hanson

You're an idiot. Do you even understand the distinction between the public and private? The entire framework of individual liberties in the country are based on the fact that these questions are private, and not of public concern. The religion is a private concern and is not dictated by the government (and thus "the people"). This is why you can hold any religious beliefs you want as well. Even within Christianity there are numerous different sects of belief, even if they don't get labeled so. Some of those accept homosexuality. And the term "marriage" is a legal definition not concerning any specific religion at this point.

Adoption is a private matter between the concerned individuals, governed under the public framework of social services. The only possibly public question here is the welfare of the child, and that's what the social services are for. They're much better suited to evalute that situation based on the individual circumstances and needs of the child, rather than basing it on your simple minded bigotry who'd rather leave the child on the street based on your crazy superstitious nonsense.

wait wait . there isn't a true CHRISTIAN the biblical definition of such. that approves of homosexuality. if a so called church that says they are a christian church approves of homosexuality, its not a christian church. its that simple. it may be some other church. but they cant really ride with christ behind them. its not right and the bible says its not right. the same word that jesus spoke from. you cant change that to make it work for your mistakes. well you can try. but it doesn't make it christian. just like slave owners using the bible to pull off slavery in the manner they did. again nothing is christian about those acts.

now the bible is accepting of all people whatever the sin.

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Originally Posted by TheReal32

It says that in the Constitution.

You're right that people are affected by their environment, but that still doesn't mean that Christianity should get special attention from the government.

what i'm saying is this. no matter if we like it or not. Christianity is the basic building blocks of a ton of our laws/constitution. again the reason we believe we are FREE is because we(our forefathers) thought it was a WHO given right? whats that guys name? not tommy from down the street. not the queen of so and so. not my homeboy. nope. the guys name was GOD or creator. thats in the constitution. you can deny its there. again you dont have to like it. thats the way it is. so be realistic. if i'm in a nation that was built on muslim principles. i wont go crying when they hit me with a bunch of anti non muslim stuff i'm trying to run with in that country/nation.

homosexuality being acceptable is just as anti christian as abortion as premarital sex, robbing, killing, false teaching,etc.

if its ANTI christian. odds are its anti american. again you dont have to like it. but it is what it is. this is where you live.

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Originally Posted by rapbeats

where does it say that? just asking

in addition, christians or most of them were considered to be christians. created the laws/constitution, our government setup. you are influenced by what you know and see on a daily basis. even if you're atheist but born in a society that is primarly christian based. even your morals/ values will be similar or spot on to that of christians. which will seep into your rules and regs. all this "creator" talk in the constitution tells you that.

the entire reason americans believed they should and could be FREE is because they thought it was a GOD given right.

You obviously have no knowledge of the U.S. Constitution. That document never mentions a creator. I think you're refering to the Declaration of Independence ... which is a declaration of war. And history, of course, has shown that invoking God is a very successful way to convince others war is necessary.

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Originally Posted by No Mayo

No, son. Get this through your THICK SKULL. CHILDREN CANNOT CONSENT. This is why two adults of the same sex is different from an adult and a child.




Who the fukk cares dude? About 50 years ago, civil rights leaders had to convince the majority of Americans that "Seperate but Equal" is bullshyt. Seperate but Equal can never be equal. And just because thats "how the way Americans deemed it" doesn't mean it's RIGHT!

A couple hundred years before that Americans couldn't decide whether or not African slaves should have the right to be free persons. Someone probably argued "this is America, we've deemed slavery essential since the first colonies were founded. Why change things now?". This is just a dumb argument to make. Restricting the freedoms of a group of people isn't okay just because it's always been that way.



Okay, you can say that. But then that means the institution of marriage is unconstituitional. Remember the constitution? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"? Besides, basing any code of morals on the bible is foolish anyway.




I don't even know that this is true. Maybe it is. But it's irrelevent. Who are you to say why a homosexual couple marries in the first place? If you are arrogant enough to think it's to piss you off, you need to check yourself right now.



This is typically a rebuttal to the foolishness of "homosexuality isn't natural"



Okay. Lets say the first humans were all female. Females can't reproduce with each other. Does that mean being female is WRONG? NO!



You're missing the point all together. People against gay marriage use the argument "homosexuals can't reproduce with each other, so they can't get married". Using that same logic, it would seem like they would also be against the marriage of persons who are unfertile due to age or whatever complication. It's a rebuttal of that argument, to show how idiotic it is.



I would agree that people aren't designed. You make it seem like nature is a conscious thing that decides who's worthy of certain things. Again, who cares if they can't have kids. It should have nothing to do with whether or not the state recognizes their marriage.



Just because something is a sin in the bible, doesn't mean it should be illegal. You need to realize the laws of this country aren't based on the god damned bible. Cheating on your spouse isn't a crime. We don't base our laws on the bible. It's a bad thing on its own merit because the person being cheated on is emotionally harmed. You and I wouldn't want to be emotionally harmed, just like everyone else, so the human race all sort of decided this was a wrong thing to do to someone else. Of course, the other spouse might be okay with the outside partner, as many people participate in swinging. That is a different situation all together.

Sex before marriage isn't a crime either. Why not you ask? Even though it's a sin in the bible, why isn't it illegal? Because we don't base our laws on the goddamned bible. Rather, it's looked down upon because of the large religious base in America. About 85% of Americans subscribe to some form of religion, mostly Christianity. We happen to live in a democratic republic, and that's why some bits of Christian culture forced its way into our society and laws. I think it's illegal and would like to change that, but it is what it is.

darn near everything you replied to and wrote says what? anti christian views, "I dont believe in God" view point. thats all fine and dandy but once again THIS country, i dont know about canada. BUT AMERICA's forefathers were christian(most of them). They put this constitution together based on what they knew(christian values amongst other things.)

people didn't evolve to become homosexuals in 2008. they were the same back then as they are now. perhaps some were more open back then or some were less open back then. just like we know alot of those old empires were openly homosexuals/bisexuals etc. not all but it was out in the open as okay.

But this NATION says man and a woman. STOP trying to change what the country was founded on. its that simple. you want to change it. GO SOME WHERE ELSE.

the words in the constitution never said not paying your workers(slaves properly, and not giving them proper living quarters, and treating them like cattle is okay). all people were to be FREE in america. the constitution did not say that slaves were not people. thats what the people tried to say on their own back in those days.

so when you bring up civil rights and black folks. understand that the constitution already had freedom written in there. and again these were so called christians putting this thing together. No where in the bible does it say people not of your color should equal less then you in your nation. so that means if these guys are reading from the same christian bible. they know that way of thinking was not in the good book. but no where does it say Gay activities are okay. its not in there. it actually says the opposite. its a sin.

So sorry you can combine those two things civil rights for black folks and a right to be married to the same sex. one is biblically moral. the other is biblical wrong. christians wrote the constitution. why would they write something in there that would be biblically immoral?

its wrong, its wrong, its wrong. it was wrong in 2 BC, it was wrong in 1500 AD, it was wrong in 1985. it was wrong in 2008 and its still wrong in 2009.


Now if all the talk was about marriage benefits you get. again you want marriage benefits? Fine you a partner of the opposite sex. otherwise MOVE.

Biblically speaking same sex couples are wrong
scientifically speaking they cant pro-create= its WRONG
in our early rules and regs it says marriage is between a man and a woman. again homosexual marriages= wrong

you have now 3 sources that says WRONG, its WRONG, it WRONG.

and you're asking me Why does being gay bother my side of the equation? not all but there is a gay society out there attempting to force their views on me and the children to take over in the next generation. they are trying to make it more acceptable. no its not like making blacks more acceptable. again that was already in the constitution. some chose to ignore it. that was already in the bible you're not to oppress people. no where in the constitution is gay marriage okay. no where is it okay in the bible.

all of that seperate church and state stuff wasn't even about ONE religion not being established as the main religion of the nation per se. they called it religion back then because there was no name for the different denominations back then that were caused by that divide. people wanted to worship the way they saw fit. but worship who? JESUS. i highly doubt that constitution was written with muslims in mind or any other religion for that matter. sure can it apply to allow people to worship however they want? sure it can. but that seperation of church and state. was to keep the state from setting a state Denomination of Christianity like it was in the old country. people had their choice of which denomination they belonged to. and that was to be okay here in america. other religions migrated here. so we allowed them to use that to practice. anti believers use it to practice anti belief. But what seperate church and state was never meant to do is change the moral fiber of the constitution. because we all know christians wrote the thing with christian backgrounds. so guess what? it will be christian morales inside the constitution.

when you say we get our freedom as a GOD given right. you are saying GOD is the decider of things. you are saying HE controls things. you are saying that God is the king/head of morals. If thats the way of thinking around these parts. then guess what? If he GOD says NO GAY marriage. even if it somewhat contradicts "seperation of church and state" so be it. God first before the seperation of church and state. because those pilgrims believed thats what Got them thru and made this journey possible. again if you dont like it........MOVE

i will give you a nice little example of if you dont like it move.

i was 16 years old with a summer job working in an office/interning but the internship was a paid one. for back then, i was making decent money for a kid. and i was working 40+ hours a week. So i get home a week straight. i haven't touched a dish in my moms house. i'm talking about i haven't washed a single dish. WHY? because when i was younger i use to ask stupid questions like why do i have to wash dishes all the time. she would say if you had a job and worked all day like i do you wouldn't. but since you dont. you have to.

so here it is, i'm working all day during the same. just like she is. i'm getting home after she gets home. i'm tired as i dont know what. I'm pulling my card "YOU SAID..." my mom looked me dead in the eye and said, i did say that and guess what. I'm the authority here. since this is my house and since i raised you to the point you have the oppurtunity to work like you do. My rules are my rules. You wash dishes in my house if you dont like it. YOU CAN....MOVE.
did she contradict herself? YEP
did i catch her with a loop hole? sure did
did it matter? NOPE.
why? she was the authority thats why.

they gave GOD the authority role because they believed he got them thru til this point. so the least they could do is base their nation on his principles. and his principles will never allow gays to marry or call homosexuality O..Kay. contradiction of the constitution or not.

DO..YOU understand now?

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Originally Posted by No Mayo

You obviously have no knowledge of the U.S. Constitution. That document never mentions a creator. I think you're refering to the Declaration of Independence ... which is a declaration of war. And history, of course, has shown that invoking God is a very successful way to convince others war is necessary.

hey guess what mayo. you're right. i was thinking about the declaration. i know it took you a minute to google "god in constitution"

so please remove the smiley as if you knew this on your own.

and thats nice and all about war. yet and still the same thing stands. Christians building something from scratch. whats the odds that these guys are going to make something without using their backgrounds and what they have been raised on all of their lives? whats the odds?slim to none?

dont fool yourself with semantics. we both know. if a muslim man builds a nation. he will have muslim principles within his laws. he cant help it. its all he knows. it makes him who he is.

But if you want to go the obama route and leave it up to the states. well what were these states built on.

click the link.

http://churchvstate.blogspot.com/200...ntion-god.html

have just finished a series of 50 posts showing some of the references to God in all 50 of our states' constitutions. You can see the individual posts, including links to the entire constitution text for each state, by following this label: State Documents

But if you would prefer to see them all in a list, here they are:

Alabama Constitution from 1901. The Preamble say in part:

• "We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution . . ."
• But in Section 1 the Alabama Constitution echoes Jefferson's words from our Declaration of Independence, recognizing that our right are not a "gift" from government, but rather are granted to all people by God.
  
  Section 1
  "That all men are equally free and independent; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

Alaska (1956) says in its preamble:

• "We the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land, in order to secure and transmit to succeeding generations our heritage of political, civil, and religious liberty within the Union of States, do ordain and establish this constitution for the State of Alaska."

Arizona Preamble says:

• "We the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution."

Uh oh Cali

California Constitution Preamble:

• "We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure and perpetuate its blessings, do establish this Constitution."

Uh oh Mass

Massachusetts Bill of Rights, Part the First

"It is the right as well as the duty of all men in society, publicly and at stated seasons, to worship the Supreme Being, the great Creator and Preserver of the universe. And no subject shall be hurt, molested, or restrained in his person, liberty, or estate, for worshipping God in the manner and season most agreeable to the dictates of his own conscience; or for his religion profession of sentiments; provided he doth not disturb the public peace, or obstruct others in their religious worship...."

all that seperation of church and state talk is all about the state staying out of CHURCH business. not GOD staying out of the state(government).
these people had church in the white house. i mean dont fool yourself.

now if you're saying you want to change the foundation of america thats your choice to go that route. but know that this will upset people and they have every right to be upset. even though i dont agree with islam. if i decided to go to iran and attempt to over turn that way of life there. i would know off bat i was going to be met with serious opposition. i would never ask a silly question like "why does me being anti islam bother you" because i already know the answer to this. i'm trying to change the foundation of your nation thats why.

lastly, these states were not at war. so whats the excuse for them using GOD Mayo? we know the answer its what i said above. they are giving him the utmost respect because they believe WITHOUT HIM. they could not have pulled this thing called america, off. its that simple. so therefore they attempt to build a place where he is first and everything else is 2nd. humans are evil by nature. so even though thats a good idea. of course people will eventually fall away when the hype dies. and start doing what? having slaves and treated them like cattle, etc. there is nothing wrong with having workers. but there is something wrong with not calling them humans and treating them like animals, in addition to not paying them a fair wage for their work. thats incorrect. thats biblically wrong. its biblically wrong once you let them go free, to still not allow them to have same rights as all other humans in this nation.

there is nothing biblically wrong with saying NO to gay marriage. nothing at all.

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Originally Posted by rapbeats

hey guess what mayo. you're right. i was thinking about the declaration. i know it took you a minute to google "god in constitution"
so please remove the smiley as if you knew this on your own.
and thats nice and all about war. yet and still the same thing stands. Christians building something from scratch. whats the odds that these guys are going to make something without using their backgrounds and what they have been raised on all of their lives? whats the odds?slim to none?
dont fool yourself with semantics. we both know. if a muslim man builds a nation. he will have muslim principles within his laws. he cant help it. its all he knows. it makes him who he is.

lmao, of course I fukking knew that. It's common knowledge. It was SPECIFICALLY DONE because the writers wanted a SECULAR GOVERNMENT. Sure, many of them were Christians in their private lives, but they didn't want the U.S. to be governed by the bible. They didn't want non-Christians to be discrimated against.
That's what you, and other Christians like you don't understand about this topic. Re-take 9th grade Civics. Whatever your personal beliefs are ... that's fine, but no one gets to dictate what's moral or immoral based on what their holy text says. We don't decide laws over what Christianity says should be illegal. If the U.S. had a Muslim majority, we wouldn't base laws on what Islam says should be illegal. The sooner you, and other theists understand this, the sooner we can become a "more perfect union".

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click the link.

http://churchvstate.blogspot.com/200...ntion-god.html

all that seperation of church and state talk is all about the state staying out of CHURCH business. not GOD staying out of the state(government).
these people had church in the white house. i mean dont fool yourself.

now if you're saying you want to change the foundation of america thats your choice to go that route. but know that this will upset people and they have every right to be upset. even though i dont agree with islam. if i decided to go to iran and attempt to over turn that way of life there. i would know off bat i was going to be met with serious opposition. i would never ask a silly question like "why does me being anti islam bother you" because i already know the answer to this. i'm trying to change the foundation of your nation thats why.

Wow. You really are a simple creature, aren't you. Hey guess what? I can even point out some state constitutions that mention God in the preamble that you missed without looking it up! My home state, North Carolina, says something similar to all those "We the people, with all respect to God, ....". Hell, some of them even say that if you don't believe in God, you can't hold political office. But alas, none of those laws can be enforced because the Constitution over-rules all of them, and says they're unconstitutional. Some states have actually gone in and changed them anyway, and others haven't. But it doesn't matter either way. The laws discrimating against non-believers are unconstitutional, so they hold no weight.

On the other hand, some states have laws that legally allow same-sex couples to marry, and the constitution says nothing about it. And ya know what? Alot of those state legistlators are Christians!

Oh, and about ... having church in the white house and God controlling the state ... this has got to be a joke. Don't you understand the President can belong to any Religion he wishes. He can't FORCE OTHER PEOPLE to go to Church. He can't MAKE LAW HIS RELIGION. Geez, dude. You can't be this stupid on the 1st Amendment.

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Originally Posted by No Mayo

lmao, of course I fukking knew that. It's common knowledge. It was SPECIFICALLY DONE because the writers wanted a SECULAR GOVERNMENT. Sure, many of them were Christians in their private lives, but they didn't want the U.S. to be governed by the bible. They didn't want non-Christians to be discrimated against.

That's what you, and other Christians like you don't understand about this topic. Re-take 9th grade Civics. Whatever your personal beliefs are ... that's fine, but no one gets to dictate what's moral or immoral based on what their holy text says. We don't decide laws over what Christianity says should be illegal. If the U.S. had a Muslim majority, we wouldn't base laws on what Islam says should be illegal. The sooner you, and other theists understand this, the sooner we can become a "more perfect union".

WRONG. they didn't want a "SECULAR" government.

what they didn't want is the government telling them HOW to worship GOD. not IF.

pay attention.

its like me running a non christian business. i'm not going to force people to bring their bibles to work and have bible study. but some of my bi laws will be biblically based because its who i am. my motto, my code of conduct, etc. all that stuff. the charity work we do, etc, etc. is all apart of me being a believer of GOD and that bible.

so if you try to come with something where you are a sales person at my place of business. and you attempt to trick someone into going with our company vs some other company. i would give you a warning. the next time you would be fired for it. why? because the owner of this company has christian morals. thats why.

Sorry, NO GAY MARRIAGE.

oh i see your problem. you have the same issue as those old repubs that didn't want to sign off on The hispanic judge. because she kept it real and stated "My experiences can dictate how i make my decisions" everyone was in an uproar. no she didnt just say that. uhh yes she did. its truth. its REALITY. you can TRY all you want to be unbias. but at the end of the day you are who you learned to be from childhood til now. you live in america your values are christian based if you and your family was born here get that. you dont have to like it. it is what it is. you can not be completed unchristian when creating something like the constitution. its who you are. if you believe God made us equal. well you may take the word GOD out and say "I think we are all equal". the reason you believe that is based on your Christian views. stop being silly. you know exactly what i'm talking about.

and go back up and read that stuff from each state. dont FOOL yourself.

if i was in iran i would know what the deal was. i would either deal with it and worship christ on my own terms and hope some extremist group wont come for me, i could choose to jumpship and switch sides(not going to happen with me), or i could choose to fight the status quo and whatever happens happens. i wont cry over it. they shoot me, hang me, cut my neck off. it is what it is. i knew that going in. stop crying about something you know the deal on

GAY MARRIAGE IS BIBLICALLY WRONG

AMERICA WAS BUILT BY CHRISTIANS or fake christians who atleast read the bible a few times, dont fool yourself

Proclaim liberty throughout the land unto all the inhabitants thereof. " These words of Holy Scripture from Leviticus 25:10 were inscribed upon the liberty bell as it rang out on July 4, 1776. It proclaimed to all the world that our liberty came from God alone, and not from government

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Originally Posted by No Mayo

lmao, of course I fukking knew that. It's common knowledge. It was SPECIFICALLY DONE because the writers wanted a SECULAR GOVERNMENT. Sure, many of them were Christians in their private lives, but they didn't want the U.S. to be governed by the bible. They didn't want non-Christians to be discrimated against.
That's what you, and other Christians like you don't understand about this topic. Re-take 9th grade Civics. Whatever your personal beliefs are ... that's fine, but no one gets to dictate what's moral or immoral based on what their holy text says. We don't decide laws over what Christianity says should be illegal. If the U.S. had a Muslim majority, we wouldn't base laws on what Islam says should be illegal. The sooner you, and other theists understand this, the sooner we can become a "more perfect union".

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Wow. You really are a simple creature, aren't you. Hey guess what? I can even point out some state constitutions that mention God in the preamble that you missed without looking it up! My home state, North Carolina, says something similar to all those "We the people, with all respect to God, ....". Hell, some of them even say that if you don't believe in God, you can't hold political office. But alas, none of those laws can be enforced because the Constitution over-rules all of them, and says they're unconstitutional. Some states have actually gone in and changed them anyway, and others haven't. But it doesn't matter either way. The laws discrimating against non-believers are unconstitutional, so they hold no weight.

On the other hand, some states have laws that legally allow same-sex couples to marry, and the constitution says nothing about it. And ya know what? Alot of those state legistlators are Christians!

Oh, and about ... having church in the white house and God controlling the state ... this has got to be a joke. Don't you understand the President can belong to any Religion he wishes. He can't FORCE OTHER PEOPLE to go to Church. He can't MAKE LAW HIS RELIGION. Geez, dude. You can't be this stupid on the 1st Amendment.

i didn't miss any states. i gave you a link that showed it in all the states. i only quoted a couple.

On the other hand, some states have laws that legally allow same-sex couples to marry, and the constitution says nothing about it. And ya know what? Alot of those state legistlators are Christians!

I know this. which is why i posted mass. what am i saying? I'm saying they are contradicting their foundation. it happens all the time. christians say one thing and do another. hypocracy is what we call it right. i'm saying its the same thing just reverse. i mean there are so called christian pastors that call themselves gay pastors. what is that? at minimum its a walking hypocrite. if you really want to go there its a false teacher.

and who said something about the pres forcing someone to go to church. i didn't say that. that wasn't my point. my point was obvious go back and read it. you keep trying to work around it to make your point. its obvious its guys wearing all red around you. they have BPS all on the walls behind you, and other blood gangs. you come in there with a blue jumpsuit on talking about "why yall mad a crip is in yall neighbord hood?"

they reply back "other BLOODS can be here, and NON gangstas. But crips dont belong here. if you want to stay here deal with the consequences, or switch sets, or MOVE"

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Originally Posted by rapbeats

darn near everything you replied to and wrote says what? anti christian views, "I dont believe in God" view point.

What the fukk does "Children cannot consent to sex" have to do with my atheism?

thats all fine and dandy but once again THIS country, i dont know about canada. BUT AMERICA's forefathers were christian(most of them). They put this constitution together based on what they knew(christian values amongst other things.)

I disagree. They may have been Christian, but their intentions clearly weren't to make America the most Christian nation ever. If it was, they would have done so.

But this NATION says man and a woman. STOP trying to change what the country was founded on. its that simple. you want to change it. GO SOME WHERE ELSE.

Where does it say this?

And even if it did, that doesn't make it right. Again, this NATION said slavery was okay from it's foundation until the 1860's. Does that mean it was right? You would have advocated for keeping slavery if you were a black man in America? You think Jim Crow & segregation was right? It was in the law books. Laws can't change? These Christian politicians aren't wrong?

the words in the constitution never said not paying your workers(slaves properly, and not giving them proper living quarters, and treating them like cattle is okay). all people were to be FREE in america. the constitution did not say that slaves were not people. thats what the people tried to say on their own back in those days.

You're also forgetting they used the Bible to justify slavery...

so when you bring up civil rights and black folks. understand that the constitution already had freedom written in there. and again these were so called christians putting this thing together. No where in the bible does it say people not of your color should equal less then you in your nation. so that means if these guys are reading from the same christian bible. they know that way of thinking was not in the good book. but no where does it say Gay activities are okay. its not in there. it actually says the opposite. its a sin.

Right, the constitution says nothing about gay activities. And in instances where the constitution doesn't address something, the state governments have authority. Some states are deciding ... hey, gays can get married. Others chose the opposite.

So sorry you can combine those two things civil rights for black folks and a right to be married to the same sex. one is biblically moral. the other is biblical wrong. christians wrote the constitution. why would they write something in there that would be biblically immoral?

Are you asking me why didn't they put gay marriage in the constitution? I think you should ask yourself that. If Christians want to work for God, and want their country to be the most favored in God's eyes, why wouldn't they mention God's views on homosexuality? Why would they leave out God altogether.

Now if all the talk was about marriage benefits you get. again you want marriage benefits? Fine you a partner of the opposite sex. otherwise MOVE.

all of that seperate church and state stuff wasn't even about ONE religion. .

Uh duh. It's for all religions. It's to protect theists if the government wanted to stop them from worshiping. It's also to protect non-believers from the whims of the majority. If some time in the future all Christians decided it would be a good idea to make every American go to church on Sunday morning, the constitution protects us from that.

they called it religion back then because there was no name for the different denominations back then that were caused by that divide. people wanted to worship the way they saw fit. but worship who? JESUS. i highly doubt that constitution was written with muslims in mind or any other religion for that matter

You're forgetting key things about the migration from England to America. You're forgetting they wanted to leave the religious intolerance of England behind. You HAD to be a member of the Church of England. You had to worship how they worshipped. When they started the new country, they didn't want the same thing to happen. Thats the basis for religious freedom. Not freedom to worship only Jesus. Freedom to worship any god you wish. It's so obvious, I don't see why you think otherwise. I'll chalk it up to ignorance.

sure can it apply to allow people to worship however they want? sure it can. but that seperation of church and state. was to keep the state from setting a state Denomination of Christianity like it was in the old country. people had their choice of which denomination they belonged to. and that was to be okay here in america. other religions migrated here. so we allowed them to use that to practice. anti believers use it to practice anti belief. But what seperate church and state was never meant to do is change the moral fiber of the constitution. because we all know christians wrote the thing with christian backgrounds. so guess what? it will be christian morales inside the constitution.

I seriously don't think you know whats in the constitution. What "Christian morals" are in the constitution? Exactly how do you explain the first commandment saying "Thou shall not have any other gods before me" and the first amendment saying "Gov't cannot make a law respecting religion"? I'll wait.

when you say we get our freedom as a GOD given right. you are saying GOD is the decider of things. you are saying HE controls things.

Again, nothing to do with our constitution. Nothing to do with our laws. Stop bringing it up. You're basing your entire argument of "God gives us rights" from the D.o.I, a document written by one man.

DO..YOU understand now?

Yeah, I understand you dont know what the **** you're talking about

[No Mayo]

Originally Posted by rapbeats

and who said something about the pres forcing someone to go to church. i didn't say that. that wasn't my point. my point was obvious go back and read it. you keep trying to work around it to make your point. its obvious its guys wearing all red around you. they have BPS all on the walls behind you, and other blood gangs. you come in there with a blue jumpsuit on talking about "why yall mad a crip is in yall neighbord hood?"

they reply back "other BLOODS can be here, and NON gangstas. But crips dont belong here. if you want to stay here deal with the consequences, or switch sets, or MOVE"

What you said was people had church in the White House, so thinking we keep God out of state is foolish. You make it seem like it matters whether or not they have prayer in the white house. That's not what seperation of church and state is refering to. Rather, it's the law. We don't base laws on religions. We don't make laws saying people must be Christian. We don't make laws saying people cannot be non-Christian. We can't stop someones private beliefs, and there cannot be forced public worship. I don't know how I can put it any other way for you to understand.


Well, I think this idea is completely un-American. This is suppose to be the greatest melting pot in the world where, no matter your race, religion, gender, or creed we can all live together. "You're different, so get up and MOVE" is not what this country is suppose to be about.

[Mowgli]

Originally Posted by Chris Hanson

Firstly, this is not true, and depends on the dictionary. Secondly, you wouldn't have found a black person under "human" in a dictionary hundred years ago either. So what does this prove?

You wouldnt have found the definition to be *a white man * either. So what are u saying. Marriage means man and woman. Dont be mad at it. You and your peoples can come up with a new word. Domestic union and alla that. Homosexuals are trying to impose themselves on dictionaries and churches now. Yall will lose.

[Chris Hanson]

Originally Posted by Mowgli

You wouldnt have found the definition to be *a white man * either. So what are u saying. Marriage means man and woman. Dont be mad at it. You and your peoples can come up with a new word. Domestic union and alla that. Homosexuals are trying to impose themselves on dictionaries and churches now. Yall will lose.

Well, you would have, sort of. More or less indirectly. The point is that the dictionary only represents the prejudices of our current time. So it's a cyclical argument justifying prejudice with prejudice. But hey, I know a lot of theists practically invented cyclical arguments...