ETHER is NOT a good enough description as to what Pap did to Fat Joe.

[galvatron]

Ether means complete and total destroying of another MC in a rap battle.What Pap did to Joe is beyond ETHER because Pap did 2 things in the diss song.On the first verse he just spazzed out lyrically and showed that he was a much superior rapper than Fat Joe can ever be.......On the 2nd Verse he went in for the Kill and pointed out everything people have though about Fat Joe from the Tri State and also aired out info we did not know.In essence what Pap did was lyrically whip Fat Joe so bad That Fat Joes only responce can be for "pap to make a hit record" in other words the foundation of hiphop the old true art of battling must be forsaken because Joe knows in his heart he was just immortalized on one of the greatest diss songs in Hiphop history.

[William Hung]

give it some time and see if Joe loses his mojo like Jay did.

i haven't even heard this Pap diss, so i'm sure it's not on the level of ether.

ain't noone checking for Pap

[dumassispumanti]

what Pap did was lyrically whip Fat Joe so bad That Fat Joes only responce can be for "pap to make a hit record" in other words the foundation of hiphop the old true art of battling must be forsaken

as in, what 50 Cent did to Jadakiss when Jada smashed him to pieces

[galvatron]

give it some time and see if Joe loses his mojo like Jay did.
i haven't even heard this Pap diss, so i'm sure it's not on the level of ether.
ain't noone checking for Pap
thats not the point.The point is Fat joe has heard the diss and everyone who is into hiphop from the tr-state has heard the diss and is 100 % agreement that Fat joe was bodied.Over 15,000 people downloaded the diss on ZSHARE.By the end of this week more and more people will have heard it and Fat joe will get questions about the diss song and will be forced to reply.Unfortunatly Fat joe cant reply by saying anything about Pap cept for Pap ha sno hit record.

[khrys_x]

I thought that Papoose diss track was awful, and pretty much summed up what's wrong with dude's entire style...everything from the lyrics to the flow to the wack beat to awkward sounding hook to the way it was long and drawn out to the point of total boredom...all of it just screams out "random genric NY rapper that will never make it"...like I got like 5 minutes into it, heard the part where he spent like an entire paragraph calling Fat Joe's camp The Wizard of OZ, had me kinda like :huh:...you're doing a complete disservice to Ether to compare that track to it...Dude has absolutely no idea how to make a song that you know, actually sounds good

[Da_S_Man2]

lets be real for once....Pap is 10yrs mixtape rapper aka a bum....and Fat Joe is not even that big of an artist to even make a big deal about him getting dissed by 'Poose....i mean its funny, but really its not effecting anything....with that being said Joe's album was good...while Pap is on his 400th mixtape...

[galvatron]

as in, what 50 Cent did to Jadakiss when Jada smashed him to pieces
exactly 50 knows problem child ate him alive so he just tried to clown Jada and Styles P.The difference is that Fat Joe has been completely out classed in terms of lyricism and instead of talking about his new Cd he has to explain why Pap has a diss song going at him.

[Windex Cleanerz]

up the pap diss

im still stuck on his diss to uncle murda

[Lawrence]

fat joes singles stay climbing the charts
papoose stay lookin for his watch

i call that ether my nicca

[East st and ave]

I thought that Papoose diss track was awful, and pretty much summed up what's wrong with dude's entire style...everything from the lyrics to the flow to the wack beat to the way it was long and drawn out to the point of total boredom...all of it just screams out "random genric NY rapper that will never make it"...like I got like 5 minutes into it, heard the part where he spent like an entire paragraph calling Fat Joe's camp The Wizard of OZ, had me kinda like :huh:...you're doing a complete disservice to Ether to compare that track to it
Ether wasn't the greatest diss track, it was just surpising.

No vaseline>>>>ether

[Da_S_Man2]

Ether wasn't the greatest diss track, it was just surpising.
No vaseline>>>>ether

...also 2nd Round KO > Ether..

[galvatron]

I thought that Papoose diss track was awful, and pretty much summed up what's wrong with dude's entire style...everything from the lyrics to the flow to the wack beat to the way it was long and drawn out to the point of total boredom...all of it just screams out "random genric NY rapper that will never make it"...like I got like 5 minutes into it, heard the part where he spent like an entire paragraph calling Fat Joe's camp The Wizard of OZ, had me kinda like :huh:...you're doing a complete disservice to Ether to compare that track to it
Mr Fab had a 12 minute diss song to Royce....Royce had a 9 minute diss song to Fab.....Game had a 15 minute diss song to G unit that is universaly praised.Length(no Homo) is not a problem in hiphop.It clear that you have so strange anti NYC rhetoric which I just proved was not accurate because I named MCs from different parts of the country that did the same thing.The problem I see here is this.When the question of lyricism comes up in a debate YOU do not want to have it because hiphop is in an era where lyrical skills MEAN NOTHING.And the most popular MCs of today are the least lyrical MC in the history of hiphop.

[Vincenzo_Corleone]

And the most popular MCs of today are the least lyrical MC in the history of hiphop.

......You DO know who you just described right?

[dumassispumanti]

exactly 50 knows problem child ate him alive so he just tried to clown Jada and Styles P.The difference is that Fat Joe has been completely out classed in terms of lyricism and instead of talking about his new Cd he has to explain why Pap has a diss song going at him.

aint no difference. 50 got outclassed, outrhymed and torn down. So he hid behind sales statistics like a hip-hop ho. fat joe dont have to hide. he already gave pap the apollo creed treatment.

secondly, nobody cares about these diss records son. they never have. a thread on SOHH aint gonna hurt fat joe, but nice try though. we all know what this is about....

speaking of which.....50 aint hot no more. how are you doing as far as your mental state?

[Ted dibiasi]

...also 2nd Round KO > Ether..

...also takeover> Ether...

[khrys_x]

Mr Fab had a 12 minute diss song to Royce....Royce had a 9 minute diss song to Fab.....Game had a 15 minute diss song to G unit that is universaly praised.Length(no Homo) is not a problem in hiphop.It clear that you have so strange anti NYC rhetoric which I just proved was not accurate because I named MCs from different parts of the country that did the same thing.The problem I see here is this.When the question of lyricism comes up in a debate YOU do not want to have it because hiphop is in an era where lyrical skills MEAN NOTHING.And the most popular MCs of today are the least lyrical MC in the history of hiphop.
Yeah, length is not a problem if the song is actually good...the Buddens diss to Ransom, thuogh it was kinda long was actually entertaining...like, the Pap song is not even something that people would casually listen to, as a song I just think it kinda sucks...and didn't think it was even that "lyrical"...not to knock new york rappers or anything, but Pap specifically has a style thats just bland and generic, and its just never gonna work...

[jayshiggs]

I thought that Papoose diss track was awful, and pretty much summed up what's wrong with dude's entire style...everything from the lyrics to the flow to the wack beat to awkward sounding hook to the way it was long and drawn out to the point of total boredom...all of it just screams out "random genric NY rapper that will never make it"...like I got like 5 minutes into it, heard the part where he spent like an entire paragraph calling Fat Joe's camp The Wizard of OZ, had me kinda like :huh:...you're doing a complete disservice to Ether to compare that track to it...Dude has absolutely no idea how to make a song that you know, actually sounds good

I agree with this sentiment. I listened to Pap's dis song once and had no interest to listen again after.
I'm sure he spanked Joe lyrically but there beef wasn't even about that. Joe was checking him for something that had little to do with music. Don't disrespect or yer gonna see Fat Joe, not lyrically but in yer face w/ some goons/security whatever the case was.

[galvatron]

aint no difference. 50 got outclassed, outrhymed and torn down. So he hid behind sales statistics like a hip-hop ho. fat joe dont have to hide. he already gave pap the apollo creed treatment.
secondly, nobody cares about these diss records son. they never have. a thread on SOHH aint gonna hurt fat joe, but nice try though. we all know what this is about....
speaking of which.....50 aint hot no more. how are you doing as far as your mental state?
well I wish you would tell XXL magazine that because G unit is on this months cover but I love how this threadis about Fat Joe and Pap and the first thing out your cokk sucking mouth is 50

[galvatron]

Yeah, length is not a problem if the song is actually good...the Buddens diss to Ransom, thuogh it was kinda long was actually entertaining...like, the Pap song is not even something that people would casually listen to, as a song I just think it kinda sucks...and didn't think it was even that "lyrical"...not to knock new york rappers or anything, but Pap specifically has a style thats just bland and generic, and its just never gonna work...
here is where you are WRONG.On every website that has the diss song featured all the replys are 100 percent in favor of Pap destroying fat joe.On Youtube if you read any of the replys its all the same .Everyone thinks Pap bodied Joe ..its not a matter of opinion is a universally accepted FACT.Please never mention Budden because you are the most anti Budden person on Sohh.Also when I dowload the pap diss from ZSAHRE 15,000 people already download the song...so the reality is khrys the diss is getting crazy love just not from you....remeber you never ever understood why 50 had any fans let alone 1...you actually create a bizzaro world foryourself where you believe what you think in hiphop is the GOSPEL.

[M¡n¡ster Who?]

I thought that Papoose diss track was awful, and pretty much summed up what's wrong with dude's entire style...everything from the lyrics to the flow to the wack beat to awkward sounding hook to the way it was long and drawn out to the point of total boredom...all of it just screams out "random genric NY rapper that will never make it"...like I got like 5 minutes into it, heard the part where he spent like an entire paragraph calling Fat Joe's camp The Wizard of OZ, had me kinda like :huh:...you're doing a complete disservice to Ether to compare that track to it...Dude has absolutely no idea how to make a song that you know, actually sounds good

That about sums it up.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA @ that wonderful avatar.

[galvatron]

what does it say about sohh when a great diss song is out and sohh members dont like it?

[KarteL13]

how did this beef start?

[M¡n¡ster Who?]

what does it say about sohh when a great diss song is out and sohh members dont like it?

What does it say about the Universe when you exist in it? I've puzzled over this for years now, to no avail.

[Yoda3542]

the bottom line is Pap didn't time this well enough with his album release

so you could never compare this to ether because Nas kept people waiting all summer until Jay's birthday, 2 weeks before his album came out

this gave Jay time to respond, cry about it and make a fool of himself on the radio, and have Nas' fans looking forward to other material on that album, including a second diss track where he called Jigga a "poor thing" knowing what ether did to him before it happened

this papoose track said a lot about joe's character, but like someone said before, Joe's released many albums and has had "hit records"

Joe can prolly just get away with reiterating his side of the story because it's not like he goes platinum anyway, there's no major standard to uphold

[Ejay614]

he bodied joe but it's not fukkin wit ether

[KarteL13]

how did this beef start?

[Precise V]

*is from the tristate*

*hasnt heard the record*

z-share plz...

[Ejay614]

http://www.zshare.net/audio/8941437e3afad8/

[EFFeX]

Too bad the general public doesn't know who Papoose is and DOES know who Fat Joe is... It's also too bad the only people that heard this diss kick it online.

[epideMIC]

it wasn't tha good outside of the Obama/Hillary line

[Detroit Devil 3]

Too bad the general public doesn't know who Papoose is and DOES know who Fat Joe is... It's also too bad the only people that heard this diss kick it online.

Yup.

[Lickitung]

Ether was a whack diss song so yes Papoose did ether Fat Joe.

[dumassispumanti]

well I wish you would tell XXL magazine that because G unit is on this months cover but I love how this threadis about Fat Joe and Pap and the first thing out your cokk sucking mouth is 50

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of 50's 6 singles bricking off. You were saying something about Fat Joe I think? Why do you always ride on 50's enemies like you do and then claim it aint got nothing to do with Curtis?

[Enzo Tha Great]

what u have to realize is that ETHER has to do with the effect

ether is highly volatile and the effects of it

"Ether can form a cool flame at concentrations around 20% to 35%, when heated to as little as 200°C. The cool flame then travels along the mixture, eventually dying off. However, the danger is that it can act as a powerful ignition source if it encounters an explosive mixture. In addition, it may remain unseen until it is too late! A classic example occurs when ether is spilled on the floor and, because it is heavy, does not spread, forming a very rich localized mixture. A faulty electric plug could then ignite the ether mixture, causing a cool flame, which then travels along the floor until it reaches a place where the mixture is explosive."


that is not what Papoose did

his song is about asking for a 1 on 1 fight

[Detroit Devil 3]

what u have to realize is that ETHER has to do with the effect

ether is highly volatile and the effects of it

"Ether can form a cool flame at concentrations around 20% to 35%, when heated to as little as 200°C. The cool flame then travels along the mixture, eventually dying off. However, the danger is that it can act as a powerful ignition source if it encounters an explosive mixture. In addition, it may remain unseen until it is too late! A classic example occurs when ether is spilled on the floor and, because it is heavy, does not spread, forming a very rich localized mixture. A faulty electric plug could then ignite the ether mixture, causing a cool flame, which then travels along the floor until it reaches a place where the mixture is explosive."

that is not what Papoose did

his song is about asking for a 1 on 1 fight

Let's not forget nobody in the real world knows it exists, unlike Ether.

[Sedd]

Damn... First time hearing it and he went hard at Joe. I mean he wouldn't stop. Joe don't want it on the mic.

[The Nastiest]

I wasn't impressed either. papoose doesn't do it for me (no homo) as far as aggressiveness, battling, etc. and to be honest, he's not that lyrical. He has terrible punchlines, metaphors, and wordplay. His only saving grace is that he can go into that Kool G. Rap-esque "rapidfire" multisyllable shyt and do a good job at it. If he could do whole 16s like that I might fucc wit him (no homo)

[Asante1010]

okay...I must hear this now. LINK PLEASE!

[scumbag]

okay...I must hear this now. LINK PLEASE!
http://smartenupnas.com/2008/03/14/papoose-dissing-fat-joe-a-fair-one/

[IGOD777]

I agree with this sentiment. I listened to Pap's dis song once and had no interest to listen again after.
I'm sure he spanked Joe lyrically but there beef wasn't even about that. Joe was checking him for something that had little to do with music. Don't disrespect or yer gonna see Fat Joe, not lyrically but in yer face w/ some goons/security whatever the case was.This is why a diss song is futile. It's like if Japan took out of a full page add in the NY Times dissing us after we bombed them during WWII.

[Asante1010]

http://smartenupnas.com/2008/03/14/papoose-dissing-fat-joe-a-fair-one/
thanks

[Easy-E]

Really, what did Ether do for Nas? :confused:

[khrys_x]

Really, what did Ether do for Nas? :confused:
Made him the victor in one of the biggest battles in hip hop history, and the last one that really mattered at all since...

[Enzo Tha Great]

he said some gay **** talkin about who farted.. SMH

wtf

[HiphopDude420]

Basically

works like this

Fat Joe got a presence in the industry and he has a fan base

Papoose no one knows this lil guy

[dieMCs]

it honestly didn't keep my attention all the way through the first listen so it's not impressive to me as a battle track!!! i'll try again later but i don't expect different results!!! did fat joe diss papoose??

:mad:victim!!!!:mad:

[hexagram23]

I thought that Papoose diss track was awful, and pretty much summed up what's wrong with dude's entire style...everything from the lyrics to the flow to the wack beat to awkward sounding hook to the way it was long and drawn out to the point of total boredom...all of it just screams out "random genric NY rapper that will never make it"...like I got like 5 minutes into it, heard the part where he spent like an entire paragraph calling Fat Joe's camp The Wizard of OZ, had me kinda like :huh:...you're doing a complete disservice to Ether to compare that track to it...Dude has absolutely no idea how to make a song that you know, actually sounds good

I was going to say something, but this dude pretty much nailed it 100% perfectly.

Fred.

[Vincenzo_Corleone]

Made him the victor in one of the biggest battles in hip hop history, and the last one that really mattered at all since...

Exactly, Jay vs. Nas will go down as one of the most important beefs ever in HH-history - up there with Krs/Shan and Big/Pac. And like Ether or not, Nas will go down as the victor.

Papoose will not go down in history AT ALL, and Joe will mostly be remembered for Pun - this beef isn't even on the b-level of beefs (50/Rule, Jada/Beans, Canibus/LL...), it's barely above Bow Wow/Master P's kid type of beefs.

Granted, the diss is cool - but like others have said, no-one is going to listen to this in a few weeks, and no-one will talk about it. It's just that simple.

[EVIL]

pap should have just made it a song instead of a long ass boring diss verse.

[JunkYard AkbaR]

lol nobody cares about pap

joe is a vet and puts out platinum hits and is gettin paper

pap is a just a mixtape kid that gets smacked around all the time, nobody even knows who dude is