LA Times saying pac was shot by mafia hitmen puffy and big knew

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Or something like that, I just read it in newsday, I got no link, posting from blackberry

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I think its the same conspiracy writer from years ago

[RealTalkNY]

Full Story (http://www.latimes.com/la-naw-quad17mar17,0,7227999.story)

[Slice-Twice]

In 1994, Tupac Shakur was ambushed, beaten and shot at the Quad Recording Studios in New York. He insisted that friends of Sean 'Diddy' Combs were behind it. New information supports him.
By Chuck Philips, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
6:00 AM PDT, March 17, 2008
NEW YORK -- Cameras flashed as paramedics carried the victim into the glare of Times Square on a stretcher. Blood seeped through bandages from five gunshot wounds.

Tupac Shakur had been beaten, shot and left for dead at the Quad Recording Studios on New York's 7th Avenue. As he was borne to a waiting ambulance through a swarm of paparazzi on Nov. 30, 1994, the rap star thrust his middle finger into the air.


It was a portentous moment in hip-hop -- the start of a bicoastal war that would culminate years later in the killings of Shakur and rap's other leading star, Christopher Wallace, better known as the Notorious B.I.G.

The ambush at the Quad remains a source of fascination and frustration to music fans and law enforcement officials alike. No one has ever been charged in the attack.

Now, newly discovered information, including interviews with people who were at the studio that night, lends credence to Shakur's insistence that associates of rap impresario Sean "Diddy" Combs were behind the assault. Their alleged motives: to punish Shakur for disrespecting them and rejecting their business overtures and, not incidentally, to curry favor with Combs.

The information focuses on two New York hip-hop figures -- talent manager James "Jimmy Henchman" Rosemond and promoter James Sabatino, who is now in prison for unrelated crimes.

FBI records obtained recently by The Times say that a confidential informant told authorities in 2002 that Rosemond and Sabatino "set up the rapper Tupac Shakur to get shot at Quad Studios." The informant said Sabatino had told him that Shakur "had to be dealt with."

The records -- summaries of FBI interviews with the informant conducted in July and December 2002 -- provide details of how Shakur was lured to the studio and ambushed. Others with knowledge of the incident corroborated the informant's account in interviews with The Times and gave additional details.

According to this information, Rosemond and Sabatino, infuriated by what they saw as Shakur's insolent behavior, enticed him to the Quad by offering him $7,000 to provide a vocal track for a rap recording.

Three assailants -- reputedly friends of Rosemond -- were lying in wait. They were on orders to beat Shakur but not kill him and to make the incident look like a robbery, the sources said. They were told they could keep whatever jewelry or other valuables they could steal from Shakur and his entourage.

A member of Shakur's posse cooperated with the rapper's enemies, relaying their offer of a $7,000 payment and keeping them informed of his whereabouts on the night of the assault, according to the informant and the other sources.

Rosemond, who has served prison time for drug dealing and weapons offenses, has been described by Vibe magazine as "one of the most respected and feared players in hip-hop." His Czar Entertainment represents rappers Shyne, Too Short, Gucci Mane and the Game.

Rosemond has long denied any role in the Quad incident. He declined to be interviewed for this article, but his lawyer, Jeffrey Lichtman, dismissed the new information as "ancient double-hearsay allegations."

Lichtman noted that Rosemond had never been charged or questioned in connection with the attack -- a sign, Lichtman said, that federal authorities have "discounted" what the informant told them. Rosemond "was not involved in the assault and will not be prosecuted for it," Lichtman said.

Sabatino declined to comment.

Combs, whose business empire includes Bad Boy Records and clothing and fragrance lines, also declined to comment.

The FBI documents do not name the informant. The Times learned his identity and verified that he was at the Quad on the night of the assault. When contacted, the man said the FBI records accurately convey what happened, and what he told investigators. He and the other sources interviewed for this article discussed the events of Nov. 30, 1994, on condition that their names not be published.

Their accounts are consistent with Shakur's own. In interviews and on recordings, the rapper blamed Rosemond, Combs and their associates for the attack and promised to get even.

Grab your Glocks when you see Tupac," he said in the 1996 song "Hit 'Em Up."

"Call the cops when you see Tupac


Photo Gallery
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- VIDEO: Chuck Philips on the impact of Tupac
- LYRICS: Tupac and Biggie's battle songs
- LIVE CHAT with Chuck Philips - Tues. at 1 p.m.

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- Who Killed Tupac Shakur?
- How Vegas police probe floundered in Tupac Shakur case
- As Associates Fall, Is 'Suge' Knight Next?

"Who shot me? But you punks didn't finish

"Now you're 'bout to feel the wrath of a menace!"

Roots of an ambush

The Quad ambush had its roots in events a year earlier, when Shakur returned to New York from California to film the movie "Above the Rim." The Brooklyn native, then 22, had two hit albums under his belt and was starting to taste success as an actor.

While in New York, he befriended Rosemond, the son of Haitian immigrants, who had run with street gangs and worked in the crack trade before gravitating to the hip-hop scene. He had a prominent scar on his forehead and cultivated an air of danger.

According to accounts given by the two men and others over the years, Rosemond, then 29, took Shakur under his wing, showing him around the city and introducing him to friends, including an ex-convict named Jacques "Haitian Jack" Agnant. Shakur and Agnant hit it off and were soon partying at clubs across Manhattan.

There was a serious side to the revelry. Rosemond was trying to establish himself as a talent manager -- he had formed a company called Henchman Productions -- and he and Agnant hoped to represent Shakur. They encouraged the rapper to sign a recording contract with Combs' fledgling Bad Boy label, which had recently received more than $2 million in capital from BMG's Arista division.

Shakur also became acquainted with Sabatino, a 19-year-old Italian American who co-promoted rap conventions with Rosemond. Sabatino had Brooklyn roots of a different kind that gave him cachet in the hip-hop world: His father was a captain in the Colombo crime family, according to federal authorities.

Like Rosemond and Agnant, Sabatino wanted to ride Combs' rising star, and he too leaned on Shakur to leave Interscope Records and sign with Bad Boy.

Shakur rejected these overtures. Members of Combs' circle saw this as an act of disrespect.

Shakur's behavior in New York grew increasingly provocative. He insulted music executives and gangsters alike. He brandished weapons in public. Even friends thought he was out of control.

In November 1993, Shakur, Agnant and two other men were arrested on charges of gang-raping a 19-year-old fan at the Parker Meridien Hotel in midtown Manhattan. Shakur posted bail and returned to Los Angeles.

A year later, he was back in New York to stand trial on the charges. By then, his former pals were laying plans to exact revenge, according to the FBI informant and the other sources.

Carefully laid plans

On Nov. 29, 1994, two dozen Bad Boy executives and associates gathered on the 10th floor of the Quad to record songs for a debut album by Junior M.A.F.I.A., a group formed by the Notorious B.I.G., Bad Boy's leading artist.

On hand were Combs, B.I.G., Rosemond, Agnant and Sabatino. Also present, among others, were rapper James "Lil' Cease" Lloyd and music executive Andre Harrell.

Rosemond had booked an adjacent studio to produce a recording by rapper Little Shawn, whose career he managed. This was the session at which Shakur was to be paid $7,000 for a guest vocal.

In fact, Rosemond never intended to record the session, according to the FBI informant and the other sources.

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He had enlisted a trio of his friends from Brooklyn to ambush Shakur in the lobby of the Quad, the sources said.

Agnant and Sabatino helped plan the attack, working out the timing, arranging for the three assailants to be driven to the studio and mapping out their escape route, according to the informant and the other sources. Sabatino informed Combs and Wallace in advance that a trap had been laid for Shakur, the sources said.

Shakur's friend Randy "Stretch" Walker was in on the plan, the sources said. In the hours before the attack, Shakur and Rosemond argued several times over the phone about how much Shakur would be paid. After the dispute was settled, Walker notified Agnant when Shakur was en route, the sources said.

Around 11:30 p.m., Sabatino effectively locked down the 10th floor, quietly intercepting anyone who tried to leave, the FBI informant and the other sources said.

Fifteen minutes later, the lobby security guard was called away from his post, and the three assailants, dressed in army fatigues, moved into position. One sat in the guard's chair. The two others waited outside.

Just after midnight, Shakur walked in with Walker and his manager, Fred Moore. He buzzed the studio upstairs to let them know he was on his way. The assailant posing as a security guard flipped nonchalantly through a newspaper.

As the rapper and his crew walked toward the elevator, the two other assailants rushed in from outside and demanded that Shakur and the others turn over their jewelry. When Shakur refused, all three attackers began to pistol-whip him.

The rapper surprised them by drawing his own weapon. Gunfire erupted, and Shakur accidentally shot himself in the groin. The assailants shot Shakur four times. He sustained injuries to the head, hand and thigh -- serious but not life-threatening.

The men beat and kicked the rapper as he lay bleeding on the ground. Then, ripping a $40,000 gold medallion and chain from his neck, they escaped into the night.

Moore, who was also wounded, gave chase and collapsed in the street.

The FBI informant said the shots were audible in the 10th-floor studio. "Sabatino, Rosemond and Combs did not seem concerned about this," the informant told the FBI, though others in the studio "were very upset."

Shakur managed to limp into the elevator and push the button for the 10th floor. Walker rode up with him.

When the elevator doors opened, the rapper surveyed the assembled Bad Boy crowd.

In a 2005 interview with Vibe magazine, in which he denied any role in the attack, Rosemond described how the injured Shakur accused him of being in on the ambush.

Rosemond quoted the rapper as asking: "Why you let them know I'm coming here? You was the only [one] who knew, man. Why?"

In a bizarre twist, Shakur, bleeding badly, sat on a couch and rolled a joint, witnesses said. Then he phoned his girlfriend, who contacted his mother, former Black Panther Afeni Shakur. Harrell called 911. Paramedics showed up minutes later. Police began interviewing witnesses.

The FBI informant said Agnant told him that "anyone who thought the shooting was a robbery was crazy." He said Agnant "seemed mad that Shakur was still alive and kept calling" the hospital "to check on Shakur's status."

Efforts to reach Agnant for comment were unsuccessful.

Surgeons at Bellevue Hospital Center operated on Shakur for three hours. Later the same day, the rapper signed himself out of the hospital against doctors' advice.

The very next day -- Dec. 1, 1994 -- a heavily bandaged Shakur rolled into court in a wheelchair to hear the jury's verdict in the Parker Meridien case. He was convicted of first-degree sexual abuse and later sentenced to 4½ years in prison. (Agnant had pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges and avoided prison.)

The three men identified by the sources as Shakur's assailants are all serving time in federal penitentiaries for unrelated crimes. The Times is withholding their names because they have not been charged.

In correspondence with The Times, one of the men said that Rosemond orchestrated the ambush. Another was cryptic. He wrote that the statute of limitations for the assault had expired, and he offered to produce, for an unspecified fee, the medallion stolen from Shakur.


The third inmate denied involvement in the attack.

'Bad Boy's behind this'

The Quad ambush triggered a vicious, well-chronicled feud between East Coast and West Coast rappers and their record labels, New York-based Bad Boy and Death Row Records of Los Angeles.

At awards shows, in music videos and in song lyrics, the feuding camps laid down challenges that the stars' posses acted out with gunfire.

In April 1995, four months after the Quad attack, Vibe magazine published a prison interview with Shakur in which he said Combs and his associates were responsible.

Not long after, Bad Boy released a new song by the Notorious B.I.G., "Who Shot Ya?," which describes an ambush in which the victim is shot by three assailants. It closes with a taunt:

"You rewind this

"Bad Boy's behind this."

In June of that year, Death Row founder Marion "Suge" Knight began visiting Shakur in prison and wooing him to join his music label. Later that month, Knight mocked Combs onstage during a rap awards show in Manhattan.

In apparent retaliation, gunmen shot up a trailer outside a video shoot in New York in which Death Row rappers had been filmed stomping through a miniature model of Manhattan like Godzilla.

In August 1995, Knight's bodyguard was shot and killed at a club in Atlanta. Knight accused a Combs associate in the killing; no one was ever charged. Soon after, Shakur, still behind bars for his sexual-abuse conviction, signed a contract with Death Row. Knight posted a $1.4-million bond for the rapper, freeing him from prison while he appealed the verdict.

In November 1995 -- a year to the day after the Quad ambush -- Shakur's onetime companion, "Stretch" Walker, was shot dead in Queens, N.Y.

Early the following year, Death Row released Shakur's "All Eyez On Me," in which he ridiculed East Coast rappers. In a later release, "Hit 'Em Up," Shakur belittled Combs, bragged that he had sex with the Notorious B.I.G.'s wife and vowed retribution for the Quad assault.

On Sept. 7, 1996, Shakur was fatally wounded in a drive-by shooting on the Las Vegas Strip. Six months later, the Notorious B.I.G. was shot dead in Los Angeles, also in a drive-by. No one has been charged in either slaying.

Moving on

In the years after the mayhem at the Quad, Rosemond tried to dispel persistent rumors that he arranged the attack. He protested his innocence in Vibe magazine and appealed to Shakur, in vain, to cease his public accusations.

In 1996, Rosemond was convicted of drug and weapons offenses and sentenced to five years in prison. Released three years later, he reinvented himself as a talent manager. His turbulent past gave him street cred and helped attract a clientele of rappers to his Czar Entertainment. Two years ago, he was convicted of assaulting a radio disc jockey in Washington, D.C. He remains on probation for the offense.

Sabatino became a fixture in Combs' circle. He went on the road with B.I.G. and joined Combs on his 1997 "No Way Out" tour, helping him stage lavish private parties and land corporate sponsorships.

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During the tour, Sabatino used fake credit cards to run up tens of thousands of dollars in charges for hotel suites, limousines and helicopters for the Bad Boy entourage. He was arrested in London and extradited to the U.S. He is serving an 11½-year prison term for wire fraud and racketeering.

In the years after the Quad, Combs transcended hip-hop to become an international celebrity and brand name. He has recorded Grammy-winning rap albums and acted in off-Broadway plays. He hosts a weekly MTV show, owns a restaurant in Atlanta and presides over the Sean John clothing line and the Unforgivable fragrance brand. Forbes magazine last year estimated his income at $23 million.


The New York police investigation into the Quad attack quickly hit a dead end. But federal prosecutors conducting a broad investigation of the rap business have continued to explore the incident and its role in the subsequent string of shootings and killings. Various music-industry figures have been called before a federal grand jury and questioned about what happened that night.

'Set me up'

Two months after Shakur was killed, Death Row Records released his album "The Don Killuminati." It entered the pop charts at No. 1 and sold 800,000 copies in its first week.

The CD cover depicts the rap star nailed to a cross like a martyred prophet. In the song "Against All Odds," Shakur, like a ghost from the grave, calls out those he held responsible for starting the violence:

"I take this war . . . deeply

"Done seen too many real players fall

"To let these [cowards] beat me

"Puffy, let's be honest, you a punk. . . .

"You can tell the people you roll with whatever you want

"But you and I know

"What's goin' on."

Shakur then mentions "a snitch named Haitian Jack" and promises "a payback" to "Jimmy Henchman in due time."

"Set me up, wet me up. . . . stuck me up," he sings.

"But you tricks never shut me up."
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I can't stand peeps that just place a link
post the story, damn

[bktoharlem]

In 1994, Tupac Shakur was ambushed, beaten and shot at the Quad Recording Studios in New York. He insisted that friends of Sean 'Diddy' Combs were behind it. New information supports him.
By Chuck Philips, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
6:00 AM PDT, March 17, 2008
NEW YORK -- Cameras flashed as paramedics carried the victim into the glare of Times Square on a stretcher. Blood seeped through bandages from five gunshot wounds.
Tupac Shakur had been beaten, shot and left for dead at the Quad Recording Studios on New York's 7th Avenue. As he was borne to a waiting ambulance through a swarm of paparazzi on Nov. 30, 1994, the rap star thrust his middle finger into the air.
It was a portentous moment in hip-hop -- the start of a bicoastal war that would culminate years later in the killings of Shakur and rap's other leading star, Christopher Wallace, better known as the Notorious B.I.G.
The ambush at the Quad remains a source of fascination and frustration to music fans and law enforcement officials alike. No one has ever been charged in the attack.
Now, newly discovered information, including interviews with people who were at the studio that night, lends credence to Shakur's insistence that associates of rap impresario Sean "Diddy" Combs were behind the assault. Their alleged motives: to punish Shakur for disrespecting them and rejecting their business overtures and, not incidentally, to curry favor with Combs.
The information focuses on two New York hip-hop figures -- talent manager James "Jimmy Henchman" Rosemond and promoter James Sabatino, who is now in prison for unrelated crimes.
FBI records obtained recently by The Times say that a confidential informant told authorities in 2002 that Rosemond and Sabatino "set up the rapper Tupac Shakur to get shot at Quad Studios." The informant said Sabatino had told him that Shakur "had to be dealt with."
The records -- summaries of FBI interviews with the informant conducted in July and December 2002 -- provide details of how Shakur was lured to the studio and ambushed. Others with knowledge of the incident corroborated the informant's account in interviews with The Times and gave additional details.
According to this information, Rosemond and Sabatino, infuriated by what they saw as Shakur's insolent behavior, enticed him to the Quad by offering him $7,000 to provide a vocal track for a rap recording.
Three assailants -- reputedly friends of Rosemond -- were lying in wait. They were on orders to beat Shakur but not kill him and to make the incident look like a robbery, the sources said. They were told they could keep whatever jewelry or other valuables they could steal from Shakur and his entourage.
A member of Shakur's posse cooperated with the rapper's enemies, relaying their offer of a $7,000 payment and keeping them informed of his whereabouts on the night of the assault, according to the informant and the other sources.
Rosemond, who has served prison time for drug dealing and weapons offenses, has been described by Vibe magazine as "one of the most respected and feared players in hip-hop." His Czar Entertainment represents rappers Shyne, Too Short, Gucci Mane and the Game.
Rosemond has long denied any role in the Quad incident. He declined to be interviewed for this article, but his lawyer, Jeffrey Lichtman, dismissed the new information as "ancient double-hearsay allegations."
Lichtman noted that Rosemond had never been charged or questioned in connection with the attack -- a sign, Lichtman said, that federal authorities have "discounted" what the informant told them. Rosemond "was not involved in the assault and will not be prosecuted for it," Lichtman said.
Sabatino declined to comment.
Combs, whose business empire includes Bad Boy Records and clothing and fragrance lines, also declined to comment.
The FBI documents do not name the informant. The Times learned his identity and verified that he was at the Quad on the night of the assault. When contacted, the man said the FBI records accurately convey what happened, and what he told investigators. He and the other sources interviewed for this article discussed the events of Nov. 30, 1994, on condition that their names not be published.
Their accounts are consistent with Shakur's own. In interviews and on recordings, the rapper blamed Rosemond, Combs and their associates for the attack and promised to get even.
Grab your Glocks when you see Tupac," he said in the 1996 song "Hit 'Em Up."
"Call the cops when you see Tupac
Photo Gallery
Tupac Shakur and the start of a rap war
Interactive Feature
Blood Feud: Who's who
(Flash)
PDF
FBI informant talks
(Acrobat file)
Related
- TIMELINE: Blood feud
- VIDEO: Chuck Philips on the impact of Tupac
- LYRICS: Tupac and Biggie's battle songs
- LIVE CHAT with Chuck Philips - Tues. at 1 p.m.
Related Stories
- Hollywood A-Z: Tupac Shakur
- Sean Combs: Bad Boy II man
- Tupac Shakur: 'I am not a gangster'
- Who Killed Tupac Shakur?
- How Vegas police probe floundered in Tupac Shakur case
- As Associates Fall, Is 'Suge' Knight Next?
"Who shot me? But you punks didn't finish
"Now you're 'bout to feel the wrath of a menace!"
Roots of an ambush
The Quad ambush had its roots in events a year earlier, when Shakur returned to New York from California to film the movie "Above the Rim." The Brooklyn native, then 22, had two hit albums under his belt and was starting to taste success as an actor.
While in New York, he befriended Rosemond, the son of Haitian immigrants, who had run with street gangs and worked in the crack trade before gravitating to the hip-hop scene. He had a prominent scar on his forehead and cultivated an air of danger.
According to accounts given by the two men and others over the years, Rosemond, then 29, took Shakur under his wing, showing him around the city and introducing him to friends, including an ex-convict named Jacques "Haitian Jack" Agnant. Shakur and Agnant hit it off and were soon partying at clubs across Manhattan.
There was a serious side to the revelry. Rosemond was trying to establish himself as a talent manager -- he had formed a company called Henchman Productions -- and he and Agnant hoped to represent Shakur. They encouraged the rapper to sign a recording contract with Combs' fledgling Bad Boy label, which had recently received more than $2 million in capital from BMG's Arista division.
Shakur also became acquainted with Sabatino, a 19-year-old Italian American who co-promoted rap conventions with Rosemond. Sabatino had Brooklyn roots of a different kind that gave him cachet in the hip-hop world: His father was a captain in the Colombo crime family, according to federal authorities.
Like Rosemond and Agnant, Sabatino wanted to ride Combs' rising star, and he too leaned on Shakur to leave Interscope Records and sign with Bad Boy.
Shakur rejected these overtures. Members of Combs' circle saw this as an act of disrespect.
Shakur's behavior in New York grew increasingly provocative. He insulted music executives and gangsters alike. He brandished weapons in public. Even friends thought he was out of control.
In November 1993, Shakur, Agnant and two other men were arrested on charges of gang-raping a 19-year-old fan at the Parker Meridien Hotel in midtown Manhattan. Shakur posted bail and returned to Los Angeles.
A year later, he was back in New York to stand trial on the charges. By then, his former pals were laying plans to exact revenge, according to the FBI informant and the other sources.
Carefully laid plans
On Nov. 29, 1994, two dozen Bad Boy executives and associates gathered on the 10th floor of the Quad to record songs for a debut album by Junior M.A.F.I.A., a group formed by the Notorious B.I.G., Bad Boy's leading artist.
On hand were Combs, B.I.G., Rosemond, Agnant and Sabatino. Also present, among others, were rapper James "Lil' Cease" Lloyd and music executive Andre Harrell.
Rosemond had booked an adjacent studio to produce a recording by rapper Little Shawn, whose career he managed. This was the session at which Shakur was to be paid $7,000 for a guest vocal.
In fact, Rosemond never intended to record the session, according to the FBI informant and the other sources.


old news, but aint it common knowledge who shot pac that nite

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hmm newsday changed their story up on their site, originally it said it involved colombo crime family memebers in the attack

[Still Shinin]

that dude at LA times has had numerous stories regarding this case. last time it was big paid crips to kill Pac. i wouldnt take that guys word as gospel, you know people do stuff like this to boast readers too, but who really knows huh

[NotSoft]

old news, but aint it common knowledge who shot pac that nite


Pac shoulda had a movie a long time ago.
Its common knowledge if u believed everything Pac said wuz true which this report says is the case....nobody ever really came out to say Puff and Big knew tho...people in denial,it would explain more why Biggie stayed quiet...bcuz he knew he wuz wrong...he knew about the robbery.

[S.W.E.R.V. 2.0]

they should incorporate this in that biggie movie thats comin out

[brick james]

I never understood why Pac and his whole fanbase claimed he was gangster, but when it came to the people he claimed set him up, **** didn't happen.

[Tru Skool]

to be honest, nikkas know who shot up the Quad that night....what i wanna know is who Killed these two cats? Was it some blood cop in L.A.? Or the Mob? The Colombo family is still in power, along with the luchese, the Gambino's, etc....i wouldn't put it past none of them. When Stretch got popped, i knew something was up...he got shot a year later on the same day...who organizes killings like that except for organized crime?



"But federal prosecutors conducting a broad investigation of the rap business "



take note

[SourHaze]

Way off dumbass.
They said that a mafia dude that Puff went to high school with told Puff about it before hand but that actual mafia dudes had nothing to do with the actual robbery and shooting.

[cioffe]

Diddy and Pac 94'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrQ7VQIYbkg&feature=related

[Tru Skool]

Way off dumbass.
They said that a mafia dude that Puff went to high school with told Puff about it before hand but that actual mafia dudes had nothing to do with the actual robbery and shooting.


they never do, especially when it comes to black people, they just hire them to do the dirty work...even high level mob figures never get they hands dirty...


Sabatino and Jimmy Henchmen where the real power players behind the scenes...the actual shooters hold no weight...

[SourHaze]

Why the fuk would they have him robbred while there was a big ass metting with everyone involved upstairs? That sounds really ass backwards and straight up moronic.

[OxyContin]

Pac shoulda had a movie a long time ago.
Its common knowledge if u believed everything Pac said wuz true which this report says is the case....nobody ever really came out to say Puff and Big knew tho...people in denial,it would explain more why Biggie stayed quiet...bcuz he knew he wuz wrong...he knew about the robbery.

Never thought of it like that.

Deep shіt...

[SourHaze]

they never do, especially when it comes to black people, they just hire them to do the dirty work...even high level mob figures never get they hands dirty...
Sabatino and Jimmy Henchmen where the real power players behind the scenes...the actual shooters hold no weight...
Perhaps but there's no evidence that any Italians but Sabatino were involved at all.

[SourHaze]

"In June of that year, Death Row founder Marion "Suge" Knight began visiting Shakur in prison and wooing him to join his music label. Later that month, Knight mocked Combs onstage during a rap awards show in Manhattan."

How the fuk did Suge taunt Puff a month after he started visisting Pac when Pac was at that awards show? Pac wasn't with Death Row when that awards show happened.

[cioffe]

Puff with Haitian Jack -1994

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lat33dN8M28

[Tru Skool]

Perhaps but there's no evidence that any Italians but Sabatino were involved at all.


If his father was truly a Captain in the colombo crime family, then his dad kept soldiers around him on the daily, dont even have nothing to do with rap beef, them Dago's clap each other all the time over all kinds of shyt, you gotta have people around you all the times just to feel safe...



shyt, John Gottis brother is runnin the family now i think, he barely even has any enemies, and he still keeps protection at all times...


Sabatino probably just orchestrated the whole thing with Jimmy...while some clown nikkas actually took the bait and did it....Im glad stretch got popped:yes:..never turn on your friends....

[HiphopRelated]

Didn't the LA times say Biggie was in Vegas the night Pac got shot in '96 when he was actually in NY @ the time??

hardly reliable journalism

[SourHaze]

old news, but aint it common knowledge who shot pac that nite
Nah that ain't old news clown. New details galore.

[SourHaze]

Sabatino probably just orchestrated the whole thing with Jimmy...while some clown nikkas actually took the bait and did it....Im glad stretch got popped:yes:..never turn on your friends....
I don't get the point of the sh!t I deleted. But yeah, crazy how they had Stretch murked on the anniversary of his betrayal.

[HiphopRelated]

Why the fuk would they have him robbred while there was a big ass metting with everyone involved upstairs? That sounds really ass backwards and straight up moronic.
because it's bs.

At the end of the day, Big and Puff didn't know he was coming from what we know.

Only person Pac talked to that day was Jimmy Henchman who invited him to do a song with an artist lil' Shawn..no relation to Badboy was made.

The 1st mention of someone BB affiliated was Cease hanging out a window and saw Pac enter the building.

I have no trouble believing Henchman set him up. Hell, he(Pac) was warned that dude was shady.

[ptahblade07]

stupidity...

the reporter who is continuesly puttin up these false reports must be gettin paid by the cops who are really responsible for killing pac....

and as far as puff and biggie knowing the shooter who got at pac in 94 is still stupidity i know a lot of dudes who will rob you im not they father and i def dont send them to get nobody they they own man....even pac admitted that biggie warned him not to come to the studio that night because he heard someone he knew was tryin to rob pac...pac just flipped the story to make money from it and act like big and puff set him up but pac knew that wasnt true cause when he finally confronted biggie he told biggie im just tryin to make money....

the truth has been what it has been since the 90's the lapd was behind pacs murder(with some help from the cia) they were the same ones behind biggie's murder(which explains why they both were murederd the exact same way) and this report is just another attempt to confuse the public...

[HiphopDude420]

story is all wrong

gossip like hoes

[SourHaze]

"And that ***** that was down for me, restin dead
Switch sides, guess his new friends wanted him dead"


One thing I don't get is why in Against All Odds, a song in which he gets at people that really tried to have him robbed, fuked up or even dead, did he also attack a bunch of rappers from Queens? Nas and Mobb Deep. Mobb Deep had that "Thug Life wes till livin it" sh!t on their album but that was nothing and what about Nas? Is it just a coincidence that all 3 of them knew E-Money bags who was down with Stretch, Majesty and all them?

[cioffe]

Anyone have an good version of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jf9GQK8N14

Pac's side

[SourHaze]

stupidity...
the reporter who is continuesly puttin up these false reports must be gettin paid by the cops who are really responsible for killing pac....
and as far as puff and biggie knowing the shooter who got at pac in 94 is still stupidity i know a lot of dudes who will rob you im not they father and i def dont send them to get nobody they they own man....even pac admitted that biggie warned him not to come to the studio that night because he heard someone he knew was tryin to rob pac...pac just flipped the story to make money from it and act like big and puff set him up but pac knew that wasnt true cause when he finally confronted biggie he told biggie im just tryin to make money....
...It clearly never said that Puff and Big knew the shooters. Pac NEVER said anything about Big warning him not to come to the studio? The fuk? That's exactly the beef that Pac had with Big. He thought Big knew and was upset that he didn't have the nuts to tell him cause he was scared of the guys that were behind it.

Also the first part of your post. Even if the cops were behind Pac's murder what would that have to do with this? They were not likely to have been behind this considering the fact that he was going to be sentenced the next day.

[SourHaze]

Puff with Haitian Jack -1994
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lat33dN8M28
Hatian Jack?

I think you're mistaken unless he just walked by in the background.

[ptahblade07]

It clearly never said that Puff and Big knew the shooters. Pac NEVER said anything about Big warning him not to come to the studio? The fuk? That's exactly the beef that Pac had with Big. He thought Big knew and was upset that he didn't have the nuts to tell him cause he was scared of the guys that were behind it.
Also the first part of your post. Even if the cops were behind Pac's murder what would that have to do with this? They were not likely to have been behind this considering the fact that he was going to be sentenced the next day.
pac did say in an interview that biggie called him and told him to watch himself pac was upset because biggie wouldnt name any names....ill find the interview and post it...

well my post was actually talkin about his murder not the 94 shooting my only point was that why are they tryin to place puff and biggie in the conversation of what happen to pac instead of finding out who the real shooters are..

in 94 it could have def just been a random stick up job gone bad but i dont think puff or big had anything to do with it maybe they knew the dudes so what but i doubt they set pac up...

[musiq]

These allegations come in cycles, Puff been have to deny this bullsh*t.

I wouldnt be surprised if this LA Times reporter received a nice bonus from Reggie Wright (Suge's partner) to publish this BS.

[SourHaze]

pac did say in an interview that biggie called him and told him to watch himself pac was upset because biggie wouldnt name any names....ill find the interview and post it...
well my post was actually talkin about his murder not the 94 shooting my only point was that why are they tryin to place puff and biggie in the conversation of what happen to pac instead of finding out who the real shooters are..
in 94 it could have def just been a random stick up job gone bad but i dont think puff or big had anything to do with it maybe they knew the dudes so what but i doubt they set pac up...
B, it seems like you didn't read it. It didn't say they set him up, it said they were told about it prior by the dudes that set it up. Prolly the same dudes extorting Puff if he was being extorted. Also, it clearly says that they know who the real shooters are and they're all in Federal custody for other sh!t.

[HiphopRelated]

Yeah, Big didn't tell him "Don't go to so and so", but he was warned that he was dealing with shady guys.

I can hear some sh1t could happen if my ears are to the street, doesn't mean I know the details of who will do what and when.

If I remember, Mike Tyson also warned him about hanging around Henchman and them....Pac was his own man that did things the way he wanted to.

[S.W.E.R.V. 2.0]

sh!t iz crazy

[Slice-Twice]

Pac was still a little kid in 94 man....we acting like he a grown man, 30 years old, seen shady people and all that...he was still growing up, he didn't know any better, thats the thing I'm pissed about, he was still a boy

[SourHaze]

Pac was still a little kid in 94 man....we acting like he a grown man, 30 years old, seen shady people and all that...he was still growing up, he didn't know any better, thats the thing I'm pissed about, he was still a boy
I sympathize with all the sh!t that happened to him but he was older than me when he got into all that sh!t and I would hope that I would know better not to trust people like the motherfukers he was fuking with.

[Slice-Twice]

I sympathize with all the sh!t that happened to him but he was older than me when he got into all that sh!t and I would hope that I would know better not to trust people like the motherfukers he was fuking with.
yea man...he kinda got thrusted into a world he shouldn't have been thrusted into

I mean yea PAC f*cked up getting involved with those ny cats and stuff

but going to death row was the STUPIDEST thing he could have ever done, if you think about it, he would have gotten out of jail, probably after the date of his death...

[musiq]

Thats right!

[NotSoft]

stupidity...
the reporter who is continuesly puttin up these false reports must be gettin paid by the cops who are really responsible for killing pac....
and as far as puff and biggie knowing the shooter who got at pac in 94 is still stupidity i know a lot of dudes who will rob you im not they father and i def dont send them to get nobody they they own man....even pac admitted that biggie warned him not to come to the studio that night because he heard someone he knew was tryin to rob pac...pac just flipped the story to make money from it and act like big and puff set him up but pac knew that wasnt true cause when he finally confronted biggie he told biggie im just tryin to make money....
the truth has been what it has been since the 90's the lapd was behind pacs murder(with some help from the cia) they were the same ones behind biggie's murder(which explains why they both were murederd the exact same way) and this report is just another attempt to confuse the public...




Biggie probaly told his moms that so she wouldnt smack em upside the head...biggie said it went down a lil different in this interview when they met




Meanwhile, Tupac kept rumors about himself an Faith alive with vague comments in interviews like," You know I don't kiss and tell." But in "Hit 'Em Up," released this May, he does just that, telling Biggie, "You claim to be a player, but I ****ed your wife." (Faith, for her part, denies ever sleeping with Tupac.) When talk turns to his estranged wife, Biggie shrugs his shoulders and pulls on a blunt. "If the mutha****a really did **** Fay, that's foul how he's just blowing her like that," he says. "Never once did he say that Fay did some foul **** to him. If a honey was to give you the *****, why would you disrespect her like that? If you had beef with me, and you're like, 'Boom. I'ma **** his wife,' would you be so harsh to her? Like you got beef with her? That **** doesn't make sense. That's why I don't believe it." What was still mostly talk and propaganda took a turn for the ugly at the Soul Train Awards this past March. When Biggie accepted his award and bigged-up Brooklyn, the crowd hissed. But the real drama came after the show, when Tupac and Biggie came face-to-face for the first time since Pac's shooting more than two years before. "That was the first time I really looked into his face," says Big. "I looked into his eyes and I was, like, Yo, this ***** is really bugging the **** out." The following week's Hollywood Reporter quoted an unnamed source saying that Shakur waved a pistol at Biggie. "Nah, Pac didn't pull steel on me," says Big. "He was on some tough ****, though. I can't knock them dudes for the way they go about their biz. They made everything seem so dramatic. I felt the darkness when he rolled up that night. Duke came out the window fatigued out, screaming 'West Side! Outlaws!'

[NotSoft]

yea man...he kinda got thrusted into a world he shouldn't have been thrusted into
I mean yea PAC f*cked up getting involved with those ny cats and stuff
but going to death row was the STUPIDEST thing he could have ever done, if you think about it, he would have gotten out of jail, probably after the date of his death...



Deathrow wuz the smartest thing he could do,it wuz the biggest label at the time that came wit a army of goons....just like Hussein said he didnt have people there wit em the night who wuz playin they position,pac shouldna been goin to get deathrow chains back...but i mean he went to go get a wutang affiliates back when they got robbed so why wouldnt he get a deathrow chain back...2pac got caught up in the heat of the moment like hundred of nikkas who get killed all the time do...thats bad when suges goons is strategizin a way to get the chain back and u dont think its neccesary...less patience than suges hired goons and hardened felons is bad news...but pac still the goat and deathrow plays a part in that.

[S-Type]

Yeah, Big didn't tell him "Don't go to so and so", but he was warned that he was dealing with shady guys.
I can hear some sh1t could happen if my ears are to the street, doesn't mean I know the details of who will do what and when.
If I remember, Mike Tyson also warned him about hanging around Henchman and them....Pac was his own man that did things the way he wanted to.

Pac's money was messed up. He was going broke with legal fees. The movie money was goin to the fam. He had to do underground $hit and rap for cats to get dough because he was being blackballed at the time with the rape case. His shows was getting cancelled. He danced with the devil in the moonlight and got lit up. He learned from it so to speak. But then he danced with the devil again and didn't vest up. He knew the feds was comin. Look at his family tree. Cointelpro got involved when Pac started talking about politics. Imagine Pac older and wiser standing with Obama. The powers that be could NOT let him live any longer. He was rubbed out professionally. Bottom line. When you get go like that there is nothing left but speculation. NONE of us know exactly what happend in LV. In NY, it's common knowledge Yimmy set him up. This cat had the "original" 50 cent coppin deuces.

[JunkYard AkbaR]

hatian jack

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[RAZAH CUTS]

the story's headines are a lil' misleading.....it states that the Columbo crime family was involved.....that doesen't exactly ring true to me, it sounds more like it was Sabatino, the son of a captain in the Columbo's, who was eager to get a rep and a couple of his wannabe-wiseguy, jerkoff friends running around acting like they was the real deal......I doubt the Columbo family and any of it's Leutenienants, Captains or soldiers had anything to do with it.....

Damn shame to hear that Stretch was involved....it was always rumored that he was, but I never believed it....this is the final, damning evidence that convinces me otherwise.....

really, we have to find out who this informant is man....he seems to have first hand knowledge of what was goin down.....

[CodaRedVista]

lol at any dumbass beleiving this sh1t.