I'm disappointed in JAY-Z when I realize the songs he has made have NO SOCIAL VALUE!

[smARTmouf]

You can't be legit if you've only made songs about what you got and how rich you are and some crap about the drug game.

I can count on ONE hand.

Please enlighten me!

[NvMe]

nice to see you made it (http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/33/45/23424533.jpg)

[N*E*R*D*]

What Redman songs have social value? Does that make him any less of a dope emcee? You have a whole gang of conscious emcees that take care of that. Everybody don't have to be on that tip to be dope.

[KingStarbury3]

jay-z has somethin against kickin knowledge, he prefers to brag about his money and makin party songs which im feelin, but when your versatility is limited you cant be top 10 all-time. Im not talkin about his flow when I say versatility, im talkin about his concepts. When it comes to whos got the best flows, jay-z is top 5 easily.

[smARTmouf]

What Redman songs have social value? Does that make him any less of a dope emcee? You have a whole gang of conscious emcees that take care of that. Everybody don't have to be on that tip to be dope.


JAY-Z gets more talk about being one of the greatest ever.

I feel like at the top of the game...You have an obligation to give back thru your music..

It's all about responsibility.

That is factored in greatness IMO.

[gtj1982]

jay-z has somethin against kickin knowledge, he prefers to brag about his money and makin party songs which im feelin, but when your versatility is limited you cant be top 10 all-time. Im not talkin about his flow when I say versatility, im talkin about his concepts. When it comes to whos got the best flows, jay-z is top 5 easily.

I guess you only listen to the radio:thumbsdow

[pop203]

What Redman songs have social value? Does that make him any less of a dope emcee? You have a whole gang of conscious emcees that take care of that. Everybody don't have to be on that tip to be dope.

redman is broke compared to jay-z, redman is still chasin paper, he has to. jay-z got mad loot and can basically do whatever he wants musically yet he stills chooses to make songs about the drug game and exploit the sh!t out of it. why? he's basically no different than 50 Cent, they both rap about alot of nothing.

[KingStarbury3]

What Redman songs have social value? Does that make him any less of a dope emcee? You have a whole gang of conscious emcees that take care of that. Everybody don't have to be on that tip to be dope.
You dont have to make songs with social value to be dope, but to be considered one of the all-time greats its a requirement.

[smARTmouf]

I guess you only listen to the radio:thumbsdow


I mean..."Minority Report" is GREAT...But to be in the game so damn long and claim so much...His legacy is kind of embarrassing from the social value standpoint.

[N*E*R*D*]

JAY-Z gets more talk about being one of the greatest ever.
I feel like at the top of the game...You have an obligation to give back thru your music..
It's all about responsibility.
That is factored in greatness IMO.


Please Jay-z doesn't owe you or me anything he's an artist that's it. Jay-z making a we are the world record isn't going to change the world. If thats how you view music then I hope KRS-One is #1 on your list.

[KingStarbury3]

I guess you only listen to the radio:thumbsdow
I got every jay-z cd except hard knock life vol. 2 and life and times of s. carter vol. 3, im not sayin all his songs but a very large majority are talkin about sellin coke/braggin about material items/marketing himself/party songs.

[smARTmouf]

You dont have to make songs with social value to be dope, but to be considered one of the all-time greats its a requirement.



*daps*


I don't know why I feel like i felt when I realized Santa wasn't real

[brick james]

jay-z has somethin against kickin knowledge, he prefers to brag about his money and makin party songs which im feelin, but when your versatility is limited you cant be top 10 all-time. Im not talkin about his flow when I say versatility, im talkin about his concepts. When it comes to whos got the best flows, jay-z is top 5 easily.

Most people on sohh would disagree with you on that one. And if your favorite rapper don't got party songs, probably would explain why they broke as ****. see a song like Fallin??


And i disagree with that, why would making sociall conscious songs be a requirement for being GOAT? I don't see the logic.

[KingStarbury3]

I mean..."Minority Report" is GREAT...But to be in the game so damn long and claim so much...His legacy is kind of embarrassing from the social value standpoint.
co-sign, good post.

[N*E*R*D*]

redman is broke compared to jay-z, redman is still chasin paper, he has to. jay-z got mad loot and can basically do whatever he wants musically yet he stills chooses to make songs about the drug game and exploit the sh!t out of it. why? he's basically no different than 50 Cent, they both rap about alot of nothing.


:confused:

What does that have to do with being considered top 10 or possible goat? Nothing in my opinion...broke...rich means nothing. Where your mic skills at how many classic albums you got? Jay-z catalog speaks for itself imo he's definitely up there in contention for the GOAT.

[The Real]

So you have to kick knowledge now to be an all time great? I always thought that was based on overall skill, but wtf do I know. To be honest I listen to Jay songs for upliftment more than I do any artist. I mean Regrets might be one of the the most inspirational songs I've ever heard. Jay might be speaking about drug dealing, but anybody that's ever been through some s*** can feel what he's saying on some level. And hell American Gangster is one long life lesson told on wax.

[NotSoft]

Jay speaks to the streets tho and at least has some intospective records...Biggie however should never be in anybodys top 10 for this reason and he really dont have a completely introspective recrod to his name.

[smARTmouf]

Please Jay-z doesn't owe you or me anything he's an artist that's it. Jay-z making a we are the world record isn't going to change the world. If thats how you view music then I hope KRS-One is #1 on your list.


I'm sayin though.

If he dont' give a sh|t about the community he came up in, and only see's it as a means to get even richer...then fukk him...

He's at a point where he can talk about more than his status..Kids look up to this cat.

Wouldn't YOU want to make an impact that can be felt for generations if you were JAY-Z?

I mean, if you wouldn't, than we're touching on whats wrong with this world.

[dj khaled]

I mean..."Minority Report" is GREAT...But to be in the game so damn long and claim so much...His legacy is kind of embarrassing from the social value standpoint.
true

[pop203]

:confused:
What does that have to do with being considered top 10 or possible goat? Nothing in my opinion...broke...rich means nothing. Where your mic skills at how many classic albums you got? Jay-z catalog speaks for itself imo he's definitely up there in contention for the GOAT.

what seperates him from 50 Cent? all 50 raps about is violence, all jay-z raps about is the drug game. these guys are richer than rich, they have the luxury to go in the booth and make what they want yet they still make songs about a bunch of nothing. are they so unconcerned and unfazed by the social problems in this country that it just doesnt interest them enough to make songs about it? if thats the case then so be it, they just idiots. i think jay-z only cares about money, thats it, and he knows that making statements, social/political statements, is risky business and could mess up the money. he's got a long yellow streak down the middle of his back/hump. kanye west may be sweeter than a king size bag of skittles but at least he got the heart to speak about sh!t thats not so easy for dummies to digest. jay-z aint in my top 10 for the same reason biggie aint even in my top 25, they never say anything.

[KingStarbury3]

Most people on sohh would disagree with you on that one. And if your favorite rapper don't got party songs, probably would explain why they broke as ****.
They have a point but money doesnt make the man, its the message and realness. Jay-Z is very popular, hes gotta realize hes gotta voice and he shouldnt be afraid to do more socially conscience songs. He should do some songs where he gives young kids good advice or do songs to raise the awareness of whats goin on the streets in a way thats not ignorant instead of always braggin about his material items and his cars. That may be boring to some but thats the reason why pacs the best, he was the most versatile. He did songs stickin up for women, political songs, songs for the streets, postive songs, storytellin, party songs, everything. Thats why its a joke that Jay-Z is considered to be one of the greatest.

[The Real]

I'm sayin though.
If he dont' give a sh|t about the community he came up in, and only see's it as a means to get even richer...then fukk him...
He's at a point where he can talk about more than his status..Kids look up to this cat.
Wouldn't YOU want to make an impact that can be felt for generations if you were JAY-Z?
I mean, if you wouldn't, than we're touching on whats wrong with this world.

Yeah Jay made money off the community, but he's given back more than any rapper I can think of. People talking about uplifting the community is great, but Jay puts dollars on his. Honestly what's more impactful a dude making a positive song, or Jay helping poor African kids get clean water?

[gnobbz]

:dry: not another one of these...

*notifies Sentenza of butt-hurt 2pawk and nas stans making Jay-Z hate threads*

[smARTmouf]

what seperates him from 50 Cent? all 50 raps about is violence, all jay-z raps about is the drug game. these guys are richer than rich, they have the luxury to go in the booth and make what they want yet they still make songs about a bunch of nothing. are they so unconcerned and unfazed by the social problems in this country that it just doesnt interest them enough to make songs about it? if thats the case then so be it, they just idiots. i think jay-z only cares about money, thats it, and he knows that making statements, social/political statements, is risky business and could mess up the money. he's got a long yellow streak down the middle of his back/hump. kanye west may be sweeter than a king size bag of skittles but at least he got the heart to speak about sh!t thats not so easy for dummies to digest. jay-z aint in my top 10 for the same reason biggie aint even in my top 25, they never say anything.


This is on point on so many levels.

I don't recall too many people ever talking about this though...Either I'm out of the loop, or people are scared.

[brick james]

They have a point but money doesnt make the man, its the message and realness. Jay-Z is very popular, hes gotta realize hes gotta voice and he shouldnt be afraid to do more socially conscience songs. He should do some songs where he gives young kids good advice or do songs to raise the awareness of whats goin on the streets in a way thats not ignorant instead of always braggin about his material items and his cars. That may be boring to some but thats the reason why pacs the best, he was the most versatile. He did songs stickin up for women, political songs, songs for the streets, postive songs, storytellin, party songs, everything. Thats why its a joke that Jay-Z is considered to be one of the greatest.

However, don't consider it all bragging even though it is about the streets and drugs. There are songs like fallin, regrets, d'evils that look at the streets from a different point, wouldn't you agree?

[Sun Ra]

blame his father

[KingStarbury3]

Yeah Jay made money off the community, but he's given back more than any rapper I can think of. People talking about uplifting the community is great, but Jay puts dollars on his. Honestly what's more impactful a dude making a positive song, or Jay helping poor African kids get clean water?
Your rite, outside of rap jay-z does alot of great things and I heard about him helpin out with the water problems in africa. At this point of his career, i dont mind him still rappin about sellin coke but i think he should be doin songs raising the awareness of what goes on in the streets and givin some positive messages to kids who look up to him. Hes probally the biggest name in rap still, kids will listen to him. He should be givin more money back to the community considering hes got more money then anyone else.

[smARTmouf]

Yeah Jay made money off the community, but he's given back more than any rapper I can think of. People talking about uplifting the community is great, but Jay puts dollars on his. Honestly what's more impactful a dude making a positive song, or Jay helping poor African kids get clean water?



Ask your little cousin if he can recite a JAY-Z track...I bet he can.

These kids have great memories...Then why the fukk can't they remember definitions or math formulas that'll get them that A..

JAY-Z can get a whole community to rock button ups....Don't you think he can get the same community to see the importance in education...the importance of family and unity.

Come on

[doeboy]

I'm sayin though.
If he dont' give a sh|t about the community he came up in, and only see's it as a means to get even richer...then fukk him...
He's at a point where he can talk about more than his status..Kids look up to this cat.
Wouldn't YOU want to make an impact that can be felt for generations if you were JAY-Z?
I mean, if you wouldn't, than we're touching on whats wrong with this world.man, shut the fuk up with all the crying. its like you lames take turns coming up with different angles hating on the same ppl over and over. you dont give a sh1t about music with "social value", because if you honestly did youd be bigging up the rappers who do make music that you think has "social value", not wasting your time hating on jayz as if its going to do anything to make a change. you cats are pitiful.

[gotti capone]

this is amazing.


i was just listening to Say Hello and Your Welcome and just thinking about how he "gives back" through his rap tunes and you come in here and say this dumb shyt.

[andrea450]

I hear folks say stuff like that all the time (about plenty of cats, not just jay), and I just wonder....what do you need him to tell you; what enlightenment are you expecting from him or any other rapper?

[kingofduval904]

regrets, anything, meet the parents, guns and roses, where have you been, allure


etc

[Bernie]

They have a point but money doesnt make the man, its the message and realness. Jay-Z is very popular, hes gotta realize hes gotta voice and he shouldnt be afraid to do more socially conscience songs. He should do some songs where he gives young kids good advice or do songs to raise the awareness of whats goin on the streets in a way thats not ignorant instead of always braggin about his material items and his cars. That may be boring to some but thats the reason why pacs the best, he was the most versatile. He did songs stickin up for women, political songs, songs for the streets, postive songs, storytellin, party songs, everything. Thats why its a joke that Jay-Z is considered to be one of the greatest.

:yes:

[brick james]

oh yea jay-z got *****es and sisters off Blueprint 2 too.

[kanethegreat]

Yeah Jay made money off the community, but he's given back more than any rapper I can think of. People talking about uplifting the community is great, but Jay puts dollars on his. Honestly what's more impactful a dude making a positive song, or Jay helping poor African kids get clean water?

cosign

Jay has said that he isn't the type of guy to preach to you, but he'd rather lead by example. Lots of kids are inspired by all dude has accomplished, and to me, that's better than any forced song he could make. Everybody reacts to things differently.

[KingStarbury3]

However, don't consider it all bragging even though it is about the streets and drugs. There are songs like fallin, regrets, d'evils that look at the streets from a different point, wouldn't you agree?
I do agree, he has different ways of talkin about the streets. I thought AG was one of the better albums of 2008, all i wanna see him do is reach out to the kids and speak on things like bein positive and treating women rite, like Pac did. Thats why Jays nowhere near pacs level.

[N*E*R*D*]

what seperates him from 50 Cent? all 50 raps about is violence, all jay-z raps about is the drug game. these guys are richer than rich, they have the luxury to go in the booth and make what they want yet they still make songs about a bunch of nothing. are they so unconcerned and unfazed by the social problems in this country that it just doesnt interest them enough to make songs about it? if thats the case then so be it, they just idiots. i think jay-z only cares about money, thats it, and he knows that making statements, social/political statements, is risky business and could mess up the money. he's got a long yellow streak down the middle of his back/hump. kanye west may be sweeter than a king size bag of skittles but at least he got the heart to speak about sh!t thats not so easy for dummies to digest. jay-z aint in my top 10 for the same reason biggie aint even in my top 25, they never say anything.


:laugh:

Don't be obnoxious guy...what separates Jay-z and 50 cent is the same thing that separates The Clipse and Young Jeezy skills negro....skills.

Again why does everybody have to be Common and Talib Kweli. Damn Nas was right it's trendy to be the conscious emcee. I don't need Jay-z doing anything but what he's good at. If I want something else I can go elsewhere. You not gonna get the whole spectrum of hip hop in one artist. I judge dude based on his consistency, classics, and his overall imprint he's left on the game.

Dudes kill me with there disrespect for legends on this board you can't name 25 emcees that can spit better than biggie or jay-z.

Damn I hope yall top 10 consists of nothing but conscious emcees the way you dudes talking. I also expect Chuck D and KRS-One to be in your top fives.

[fundz]

I'm sayin though.
If he dont' give a sh|t about the community he came up in, and only see's it as a means to get even richer...then fukk him...
He's at a point where he can talk about more than his status..Kids look up to this cat.
Wouldn't YOU want to make an impact that can be felt for generations if you were JAY-Z?
I mean, if you wouldn't, than we're touching on whats wrong with this world.

so are you saying he doesn't address the ills of the streets in his raps???

[smARTmouf]

man, shut the fuk up with all the crying. its like you lames take turns coming up with different angles hating on the same ppl over and over. you dont give a sh1t about music with "social value", because if you honestly did youd be bigging up the rappers who do make music that you think has "social value", not wasting your time hating on jayz as if its going to do anything to make a change. you cats are pitiful.

Either you're ignorant...Or you just don't want to see it.

This aint HATE...I'm holding homeboy accountable..This is something we should all do or they'll keep feeding us this sh|t.

...Seems some of ya'll like the taste

[smARTmouf]

so are you saying he doesn't address the ills of the streets in his raps???


I mean, you can clearly read what I'm saying.

Life is much more than the streets.

How long has he been in the game?...Can't we expand out subject matter a bit?

He just looks silly now

[NippleTits]

redman is broke compared to jay-z, redman is still chasin paper, he has to. jay-z got mad loot and can basically do whatever he wants musically yet he stills chooses to make songs about the drug game and exploit the sh!t out of it. why? he's basically no different than 50 Cent, they both rap about alot of nothing.


you dont think Jay is still chasing paper?

[fundz]

I mean, you can clearly read what I'm saying.
Life is much more than the streets.
How long has he been in the game?...Can't we expand out subject matter a bit?
He just looks silly now

he DOES expand his subject matter

what he was rapping about on RD differs vastly from what he was addressing on KC

and/or on TBA

I don't see your point

[cladyclad]

I do agree, he has different ways of talkin about the streets. I thought AG was one of the better albums of 2008, all i wanna see him do is reach out to the kids and speak on things like bein positive and treating women rite, like Pac did. Thats why Jays nowhere near pacs level.

I fukks with Pac but thats why sometime I disliked Pac music 1min its Keep Ya Head Up next its I Get Around.

A true hip-hop listener would know Jay has alot social messages throughout his music.

A Ballad For A Fallen Soldier
Some How Some Way
Minority Report
Say Hello
Izzo etc...

[pop203]

:laugh:
Don't be obnoxious guy...what separates Jay-z and 50 cent is the same thing that separates The Clipse and Young Jeezy skills negro....skills.
Again why does everybody have to be Common and Talib Kweli. Damn Nas was right it's trendy to be the conscious emcee. I don't need Jay-z doing anything but what he's good at. If I want something else I can go elsewhere. You not gonna get the whole spectrum of hip hop in one artist. I judge dude based on his consistency, classics, and his overall imprint he's left on the game.
Dudes kill me with there disrespect for legends on this board you can't name 25 emcees that can spit better than biggie or jay-z.
Damn I hope yall top 10 consists of nothing but conscious emcees the way you dudes talking. I also expect Chuck D and KRS-One to be in your top fives.

you dudes make me laugh with this sh!t. nobody says you gotta be a "concious rapper", jay-z aint gotta be common sense, i'm just sayin there's no excuse for him not having more substance on his resume. look at 2pac, was he a concious rapper? no way, but you could probably make a 4 CD set full of nothing but his progressive socially charged songs. thats what made him great, if every song was just about "we ridin on them fools" he'd never be held in such high regard. 90-95% of jay-z catalog is about the drug game or materialistic sh!t, that sh!t is embarrassing. and "having skills" is great but that alone aint gonna make you a GOAT, you gotta have the songs, the catalog. royce the 5'9's skills are off the charts but he's not on anybody's list.

[BlueFire]

whats is yall talking bout?!?

do yall listen 2 music or just skim through it?

even his singles have social value.






did u not hear the lyric 2 "hey papi":

This year I'm playing right
No six fifteen this year
You can stay the night
We can go bowling it ain't like before
Can't y'all see that I'm growing?
I was so immature
I was young and having money
Having honeys come to the crib
Thinkin' they **** and they couldn't get cab money from me
Some bad chicks didn't get pass the bridge
I went to One Trump Plaza on their asses'
No room service just snacks and ****
Work with those Lil' Debbies and when your done get ready
The chicks I was fiendin' to smash
Let 'em lean on the cash
Will take 'em on long trips
Break 'em with long ****
There was no such thing as strong relationships
But I'm off that playa ****
I need a chick that practice Tai Chi
That still can buy weed
And can give me some good head
And I'll make her remind me, uh-huh


HOW REAL IS THIS?!?!?!? a lot of dudes pick up chicks in da club like this and don't work on strong relationships.



or "excuse me miss"

Only thing missin is a Missus.
You ain't even gotta do the dishes, got two dishwashers.
Got one chef, one maid. All I need is a partner
to play spades with the cards up, All trust!


YALL DON'T FEEL THAT?!? he has everything and it's hard 2 find a good woman u can trust!!!


HIS SONGS HAVE LOTS OF SOCIAL VALUE! even for his singles he slides in some timeless social value.

[smARTmouf]

I hear folks say stuff like that all the time (about plenty of cats, not just jay), and I just wonder....what do you need him to tell you; what enlightenment are you expecting from him or any other rapper?

not ME...I'm grown.

The impressionable youth.

What would you want said to your child?

[fundz]

I fukks with Pac but thats why sometime I disliked Pac music 1min its Keep Ya Head Up next its I Get Around.
A true hip-hop listener would know Jay has alot social messages throughout his music.
A Ballad For A Fallen Soldier
Some How Some Way
Minority Report
Say Hello
Izzo etc...

the greatest poets in the history of poetry were contradictory

there is absolutely nothing wrong with that

it means, as a fan, you're getting the absolute best of him in terms of artistry

[KingStarbury3]

I fukks with Pac but thats why sometime I disliked Pac music 1min its Keep Ya Head Up next its I Get Around.
A true hip-hop listener would know Jay has alot social messages throughout his music.
A Ballad For A Fallen Soldier
Some How Some Way
Minority Report
Say Hello
Izzo etc...
Thats the one problem with havin that much versatility is that your always contradictin yourself but if thats what it takes to sell and put a positive message out there then so be it......jay-z has no reason not to include a couple of positive songs on his albums, hes gotta reach out to the kids.

[fundz]

whats is yall talking bout?!?

do yall listen 2 music or just skim through it?

even his singles have social value.






did u not hear the lyric 2 "hey papi":

This year I'm playing right
No six fifteen this year
You can stay the night
We can go bowling it ain't like before
Can't y'all see that I'm growing?
I was so immature
I was young and having money
Having honeys come to the crib
Thinkin' they **** and they couldn't get cab money from me
Some bad chicks didn't get pass the bridge
I went to One Trump Plaza on their asses'
No room service just snacks and ****
Work with those Lil' Debbies and when your done get ready
The chicks I was fiendin' to smash
Let 'em lean on the cash
Will take 'em on long trips
Break 'em with long ****
There was no such thing as strong relationships
But I'm off that playa ****
I need a chick that practice Tai Chi
That still can buy weed
And can give me some good head
And I'll make her remind me, uh-huh


HOW REAL IS THIS?!?!?!? a lot of dudes pick up chicks in da club like this and don't work on strong relationships.



or "excuse me miss"

Only thing missin is a Missus.
You ain't even gotta do the dishes, got two dishwashers.
Got one chef, one maid. All I need is a partner
to play spades with the cards up, All trust!


YALL DON'T FEEL THAT?!? he has everything and it's hard 2 find a good woman u can trust!!!


HIS SONGS HAVE LOTS OF SOCIAL VALUE! even his singles he slide timeless social value.

they don't listen they don't skim they just HATE

period

[smARTmouf]

LORD...I think you guys don't know what's social value..I mean...REAL Common type sh|t.

You gotta give me some of that to be the greatest