I'm disappointed in JAY-Z when I realize the songs he has made have NO SOCIAL VALUE!

[Green Lantern]

not ME...I'm grown.
The impressionable youth.
What would you want said to your child?


Parents, family, school. Not artists in the music business.

[fundz]

not ME...I'm grown.
The impressionable youth.
What would you want said to your child?

he's goading them to get money via street smarts and business discernment

what more do you/they want??

[KingStarbury3]

not ME...I'm grown.
The impressionable youth.
What would you want said to your child?
The youth seems more impressionable then ever today, they need someone to set a good example and preach about morals.

[intilectual recipricol]

skimming through music again...
most people dont understand Hov's social value in music...
I suggest listening to the words...
no he doesnt get preachy... thank god... like we needed another knarst...
but my nicca does delve into the problems of young blacks and inner cities...
to deny that is insincere...

[fundz]

LORD...I think you guys don't know what's social value..I mean...REAL Common type sh|t.
You gotta give me some of that to be the greatest

n*ggas is naming songs left and right

but it seems you'd rather just ignore em and stay hardheaded

[KingStarbury3]

Parents, family, school. Not artists in the music business.
We all know kids look up to their favorite athletes/musicians, most likely they dont care about school and reading unless they hear their role-model say sumthin positive about it.

[cladyclad]

Thats the one problem with havin that much versatility is that your always contradictin yourself but if thats what it takes to sell and put a positive message out there then so be it......jay-z has no reason not to include a couple of positive songs on his albums, hes gotta reach out to the kids.

I dig that but it lessens the message if u continually switch up every other record.

[intilectual recipricol]

being human is contradictory...
niccaz act like if you happy today you wont feel pain tomorrow...
like if you fuq betches you cant love betches...
like just cuz you a soldier means you dont want peace...
think niccaz... think

[KingStarbury3]

I dig that but it lessens the message if u continually switch up every other record.
I partially agree with what your sayin, but part of bein the best is bein one of the most versatile. If you look at the greatest musicians in other forms of music, they do all kinds of songs to make sure they include everyone in their marketing plan. The best example I can think of is the Beatles. With rap, the best example is 2pac.

[iOnE3nD]

Not as a lyricist but in everything else :yes: these guys can't make one song without a obvious crack reference and they have no verstility at all...damn if yall read this switch yalls style up.

These guy can't be top 10 MC the same reason Raekwon can never be a top 10 MC...LIMITED SUBJECT MATTER

EDIT:DAMN WRONG THREAD HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Sun Ra]

being human is contradictory...
niccaz act like if you happy today you wont feel pain tomorrow...
like if you fuq betches you cant love betches...
like just cuz you a soldier means you dont want peace...
think niccaz... think
:ohmy:

[N*E*R*D*]

you dudes make me laugh with this sh!t. nobody says you gotta be a "concious rapper", jay-z aint gotta be common sense, i'm just sayin there's no excuse for him not having more substance on his resume. look at 2pac, was he a concious rapper? no way, but you could probably make a 4 CD set full of nothing but his progressive socially charged songs. thats what made him great, if every song was just about "we ridin on them fools" he'd never be held in such high regard. 90-95% of jay-z catalog is about the drug game or materialistic sh!t, that sh!t is embarrassing. and "having skills" is great but that alone aint gonna make you a GOAT, you gotta have the songs, the catalog. royce the 5'9's skills are off the charts but he's not on anybody's list.


I still don't see why Jay-z can't be considered with his catalog in tact. Just like I don't see why Redman can't...either. These are dope emcees I really don't care if they kicking knowledge or being positive they dope period. Pac was a confused young brother he was known in the early 90s as a progressive thinking rapper that made songs like Trapped and Brendas Got A Baby. Later on when he became more controversial and thuggish is when the people started loving him.


smh @ smartmouf this dude woke up this morning with an epiphany you'll be back to yourself by tomorrow bumping some Jigga :laugh:

[BlueFire]

they don't listen they don't skim they just HATE
period


i guess they want jay-z 2 be bill cosby or something.

and it's impossbile to deny his scoial value when it comes to women and such....
he even said how he was ugly with low self esteem like a lot of real people and once he got some paper all the light skinned girl with the wavy hair was even checking for him. HOW REAL IS THAT?!?!

[KingStarbury3]

Not as a lyricist but in everything else :yes: these guys can't make one song without a obvious crack reference and they have no verstility at all...damn if yall read this switch yalls style up.
These guy can't be top 10 MC the same reason Raekwon can never be a top 10 MC...LIMITED SUBJECT MATTER
EDIT:DAMN WRONG THREAD HAHAHAHAHAHA
Very good post, i realize that im gonna have to change my top 10 greatest. Biggie also had a limited subject matter, with skys the limit bein one of the few songs i can think of where he says somethin positive.

[Work_Safe]

Ballin like I violated

Bottles keep me hydrated

[KingStarbury3]

I still don't see why Jay-z can't be considered with his catalog in tact.

Thats the best arguement that jay stans have, his discography. I think he has to be credited for having at least 2 classics, but a very solid catalog from reasonable doubt to AG.

[smARTmouf]

Parents, family, school. Not artists in the music business.



No one wants to take ownership nowadays.

isn't this eye opening to you?

[mr madness]

Thats the one problem with havin that much versatility is that your always contradictin yourself but if thats what it takes to sell and put a positive message out there then so be it......jay-z has no reason not to include a couple of positive songs on his albums, hes gotta reach out to the kids.

Now you're
(FALLING)
When you should've fell back,
Now you're
(FALLING)
Right into they lap
Falling, they applaud and they screamin' at the screen
"Damn, you ****ed up!" like your favorite movie scene
Godfather, Goodfellas, Scarface, Casino
You seen what that last run did to DeNiro
When he can't beat the odds, can't cheat the cards
Can't blow too hard, life's a deck of cards
Now you're tumbling, its humbling, you're falling, you're mumbling
Under your breath like you knew this day was coming
(FALLING)
Now let's pray that arm candy
That you left your Ex- for stay 'down' and come in handy
Cause come January, it gets cold
When the letters start to slow, when your commissary's low
When your lawyer screams "Appeal!" only thinkin' bout a bill
When your chances are nil, damn, gravity's ill...

I know i shouldnt've did that
I know its gon' come right back
I know its gon' destroy everything i made
Its probably gon' get ya boy sent away
But this game I play, ain't no way to fix it
Its inevitable-

That you're
(FALLING)
And you can't get up
All you do is push-up, pull-up, sit-up
Locked down, the town now belongs to the Squares
Who say they won't make the same mistakes that got you there
And ya arm candy's sweet on 'em
And the woman that you left for this heffa got a college degree comin'
Bad news keeps coming
Hard to keep something on your stomach
You're sick 'bout what your life is becoming
(FALLING)
Bunch of used to's, has been's bragging bad 'bout all the new dudes
Talking tough on the YouTube bout what you used to do
But that's old school to the new crew
They're doing numbers like Sudoku
They're the new you
And its damn near inevitable they'll experience deja vu too
Fight, and you'll never survive
Run, and you'll never escape
So just fall from grace, damn....

[KingStarbury3]

Now you're
(FALLING)
When you should've fell back,
Now you're
(FALLING)
Right into they lap

I only quoted part of that so i dont waste space, I cant deny 2 things: thats a good song and it has a good message, but what im lookin for is directily reachin out, tellin kids to stay in school, dont do drugs, treat women like people and not like objects, read, play sports, etc. I mite sound corny, but keep in mind that I listen to some of the most ignorant rap which glorifies killin and degrades women every other line. Im not lookin into my interests, im 21. Im sayin this because the kids need more positivity from their role models. Pac made Keep ya head up, brendas gotta baby, keep ya head up. Nas did I can which is wack but im glad he did it, someones gotta step up and make some positive music even if they contradict themselves on the next song. Their gonna hear that type of rap anyways.

[andrea450]

not ME...I'm grown.
The impressionable youth.
What would you want said to your child?

I say what I want said to the kids in my world...I don't leave it up to a rapper, and I don't expect a rapper or any other entertainer to guide a child to my liking...they are entertainers. I ain't saying there is anything wrong with you having certain criteria you require for entertainers you support...do what you do...but I don't think they are responsible for raising the countries kids right. You say he has no social value in his songs and then there are people that say he does....noone is going to please everyone. (not to mention plenty of entertainers use their money and/or power to give back and not their "art form"...which is more important has been debated for the longest)

The impressionable youth that are being raised by music, movies and tv are being failed by all the adults that are actually in their life..not by the entertainers that are the only adult guidance they get.

People still need to teach children in their world right/postive from wrong/negative...and how to make "good" decisions for themselves.

[gnobbz]

why do people keep saying Pac? Pawk is an image....thats it.

People believe what they want to believe about Pawk
but hes nothing special..he never did anything even remotley
benefically for the black community

and he was pretty much a criminal..i.e. a horrible example for kids everywhere
he was in jail most of the time, what kind of example is that?

[KingStarbury3]

I say what I want said to the kids in my world...I don't leave it up to a rapper, and I don't expect a rapper or any other entertainer to guide a child to my liking...they are entertainers. I ain't saying there is anything wrong with you having certain criteria you require for entertainers you support...do what you do...but I don't think they are responsible for raising the countries kids right. You say he has no social value in his songs and then there are people that say he does....noone is going to please everyone. (not to mention plenty of entertainers use their money and/or power to give back and not their "art form"...which is more important has been debated for the longest)
The impressionable youth that are being raised by music, movies and tv are being failed by all the adults that are actually in their life..not by the entertainers that are the only adult guidance they get.
People still need to teach children in their world right/postive from wrong/negative...and how to make "good" decisions for themselves.

While i feel that rappers should make a couple positive songs even if everything else is ignorant as f*ck, I agree with you. The parents deserve all the blame. Most parents let their kids do whatever they wanna do, and thats why so many kids are doin drugs and gettin into trouble before they reach their teens, or even double digits.

[KingStarbury3]

why do people keep saying Pac? Pawk is an image....thats it.
People believe what they want to believe about Pawk
but hes nothing special..he never did anything even remotley
benefically for the black community
and he was pretty much a criminal..i.e. a horrible example for kids everywhere
he was in jail most of the time, what kind of example is that?
Why do you hate "gnobbz" so much, is because he made your favorite rapper cry?

[Just BlackAf]

I think he is a boring rapper. A lot of rappers I fukk with don't have a lot of social content but his style of rapping about himself is just boring. Honestly I would prefer it personally if he rapped about busting his guns instead of all the posturing he does...

His whole catalog since like 2000 = "You should be impressed by this"

[gnobbz]

Why do you hate "gnobbz" so much, is because he made your favorite rapper cry?
I dont hate nas I hate his stans that talk about nothing else except how
much they hate Jay-Z all day long.

and you still missed the whole question I was putting forth (or skipped it I guess)
...why do you use 2pawk as an example when he never did anything special for anyone.

he damn sure wasnt no Jesse Jackson or Barack Obama, just some punk
who got locked up and decided to be "against the system" because he was still angry about getting raped in jail.

[tremonthustler1]

I only quoted part of that so i dont waste space, I cant deny 2 things: thats a good song and it has a good message, but what im lookin for is directily reachin out, tellin kids to stay in school, dont do drugs, treat women like people and not like objects, read, play sports, etc. I mite sound corny, but keep in mind that I listen to some of the most ignorant rap which glorifies killin and degrades women every other line. Im not lookin into my interests, im 21. Im sayin this because the kids need more positivity from their role models. Pac made Keep ya head up, brendas gotta baby, keep ya head up. Nas did I can which is wack but im glad he did it, someones gotta step up and make some positive music even if they contradict themselves on the next song. Their gonna hear that type of rap anyways.
but that positive rap is out now from other rappers, but kids just aren't checkin' for them. Who's to say kids will keep checkin' for Hov of he gets all preachy like Immortal Technique? Who is he to tell me to stay in school? He didn't and he's immensely rich. Who is he to tell me don't do drugs? If he was sayin that sh*t 20 years ago, he wouldn't make any money as a dealer and therefore would have never had anything to rap about. Matter of fact, listen to Izzo's third verse. Hov does spit positive sh*t. Some of y'all just want him to do it at the expense of his career just cuz "he already got money"

Like I told you sell drugs, no
Hov did that so hopefully you won't have to go through that


it's funny how when Hov doesn't say "stay in school" n1ggas here get mad, but when Soulja Boy says stay in school in his video y'all say "fukk that coon Soulja Boy I hope he dies in a fire" :thumbsdow

[KingStarbury3]

I dont hate nas I hate his stans that talk about nothing else except how
much they hate Jay-Z all day long.

and you still missed the whole question I was putting forth (or skipped it I guess)
...why do you use 2pawk as an example when he never did anything special for anyone.

he damn sure wasnt no Jesse Jackson or Barack Obama, just some punk
who got locked up and decided to be "against the system" because he was still angry about getting raped in jail.
Bredans got a baby
Keep ya head up
dear momma
trapped
words of wisdom
+ many more, and alot of charity

Pac did some bad stuff to, but we all do good and bad. I see you have an obsession with mispellin names, i think its funny how theres 12 different ways to spell nas.

[gnobbz]

people just complaining about positive stuff on here...

I bet none of yall copped Little Brother or Talib Kweli or whatever..

I bet not one of yall spent money on conscious rappers last year.. all
yall do is complain and never support **** anyway. Plus people here have already posted plenty of conscious songs from Jay..and yall just ignored them.


Like I said earlier this is just a hate thread...nothing else.

[gnobbz]

Bredans got a baby
Keep ya head up
dear momma
trapped
words of wisdom
+ many more, and alot of charity
Pac did some bad stuff to, but we all do good and bad. I see you have an obsession with mispellin names, i think its funny how theres 12 different ways to spell nas.
Jay has done an equal amount of songs if not more...

add to that..hes a positive role model
/thread.

[old soul]

I mean if we're talking about words, why not take it to actions (since we're worried about influencing children). With that said, how can anyone argue that 2pac's social impact (based on actions) was better than Jay-Z's?

[KingStarbury3]

but that positive rap is out now from other rappers, but kids just aren't checkin' for them. Who's to say kids will keep checkin' for Hov of he gets all preachy like Immortal Technique? Who is he to tell me to stay in school? He didn't and he's immensely rich. Who is he to tell me don't do drugs? If he was sayin that sh*t 20 years ago, he wouldn't make any money as a dealer and therefore would have never had anything to rap about. Matter of fact, listen to Izzo's third verse. Hov does spit positive sh*t. Some of y'all just want him to do it at the expense of his career just cuz "he already got money"
Like I told you sell drugs, no
Hov did that so hopefully you won't have to go through that
it's funny how when Hov doesn't say "stay in school" n1ggas here get mad, but when Soulja Boy says stay in school in his video y'all say "fukk that coon Soulja Boy I hope he dies in a fire" :thumbsdow
I never said anything that bad about soulja boy, i have said hes wack. I gotta give him some credit for puttin a good message out there for kids.

Kids dont listen to Common, they listen to 50 cent, jay-z, lil wayne, etc. Everything Jay says is heard by millions, thats why he has to do it. I dont care if hov continues to rap about sellin drugs, all im sayin is it would be nice to here a couple songs where he speaks directly to kids. I realize jay-z has said some positive things, and i acknowledge all the songs that have been brought up. hes said some positive things, anyone sayin that he never said anything good is clearly a hater. What im sayin is he needs to take it a step further.

[KingStarbury3]

Jay has done an equal amount of songs if not more...
add to that..hes a positive role model
/thread.
Yea but his songs are shallow compared to the deepness of those pac songs, he pours his heart out and puts all his emotion into it. Thats a bad comparison to make. At the same time, hes probally a better role model then pac but i dont consider either of them to be good role models.

[GreenHornet]

What Redman songs have social value? Does that make him any less of a dope emcee? You have a whole gang of conscious emcees that take care of that. Everybody don't have to be on that tip to be dope.

n1gga please redman always raps about everyday sh1t

[fundz]

What Redman songs have social value? Does that make him any less of a dope emcee? You have a whole gang of conscious emcees that take care of that. Everybody don't have to be on that tip to be dope.

actually he has a couple songs with social commentary

[intilectual recipricol]

Pac & Hov!

[Sunzoo aka LC]

first of all, i know damn well you n1ggas either ain't listening to the actual music, or you're in denial to make your point, jay has plenty of social commentary, even in his songs that don't even really fit that mold, he still manages to drop jewels here and there

and then on top of that....i keep seeing some dumbass comparing jay to pac, as if to be a great emcee you gotta be like pac, now pac is my favorite rapper ever, but i loved pac's music because it was HIS, jay-z being more like 2pac, would mean he wouldn't be jay-z

people loved pac for what he did, people love jay for what he does, not all rappers gotta be mr uplifting all the time (neither was pac) or even todays jaded definition of "conscious" to be great emcees, stop trying to turn jay into another artist, just say that you prefer people with different subject matter and keep it moving

and lol@ he should donate more money, n1gga why are you watching jay's pockets? and since you watching so closely...why don't you give me some proof that he DOESN'T donate money to blacks (da fucck was all the water hoopla again?), you n1ggas are insane man

and instead of a gang of lip service, jay has led by example, and in his music, instead of preaching to you, he spits it in a manner that real street cats can understand, a good portion of his music is EMPOWERING, especially when it comes to financial gain, you got a lot of kids trying to break out and be entrepreneurs because of jay-z, just because he doesn't have a kufi on don't mean he ain't kicking knowledge

dude is an inspiration to many, but because he doesn't talk enough about this or that particular subject, his whole career somehow amounts to nothing....da fucck outta here, stop skimming through tracks and stop with the pretentious back pack attitude/assumption that knowledge can only come in the form talib kweli and crochet hats

and to be honest...when jay actually did try to throw in more content (IE. minority report) n1ggas called it contrived and forced, n1ggas won't even acknowledge that song, or an album full of mature centered subject matter ,they want that igorant sh1t instead

[gtj1982]

first of all, i know damn well you n1ggas either ain't listening to the actual music, or you're in denial to make your point, jay has plenty of social commentary, even in his songs that don't even really fit that mold, he still manages to drop jewels here and there

and then on top of that....i keep seeing some dumbass comparing jay to pac, as if to be a great emcee you gotta be like pac, now pac is my favorite rapper ever, but i loved pac's music because it was HIS, jay-z being more like 2pac, would mean he wouldn't be jay-z

people loved pac for what he did, people love jay for what he does, not all rappers gotta be mr uplifting all the time (neither was pac) or even todays jaded definition of "conscious" to be great emcees, stop trying to turn jay into another artist, just say that you prefer people with different subject matter and keep it moving

and lol@ he should donate more money, n1gga why are you watching jay's pockets? and since you watching so closely...why don't you give me some proof that he DOESN'T donate money to blacks (da fucck was all the water hoopla again?), you n1ggas are insane man

and instead of a gang of lip service, jay has led by example, and in his music, instead of preaching to you, he spits it in a manner that real street cats can understand, a good portion of his music is EMPOWERING, especially when it comes to financial gain, you got a lot of kids trying to break out and be entrepreneurs because of jay-z, just because he doesn't have a kufi on don't mean he ain't kicking knowledge

dude is an inspiration to many, but because he doesn't talk enough about this or that particular subject, his whole career somehow amounts to nothing....da fucck outta here, stop skimming through tracks and stop with the pretentious back pack attitude/assumption that knowledge can only come in the form talib kweli and crochet hats

and to be honest...when jay actually did try to throw in more content (IE. minority report) n1ggas called it contrived and forced, n1ggas won't even acknowledge that song, or an album full of mature centered subject matter ,they want that igorant sh1t instead


/Thread:king: Sunzoo does it again. Truth.com:yes:

[doeboy]

Either you're ignorant...Or you just don't want to see it.
This aint HATE...I'm holding homeboy accountable..This is something we should all do or they'll keep feeding us this sh|t.
...Seems some of ya'll like the tasteyou are hating and you cant deny it. you are going out of your way to try and discredit someone based on irrational bullsht. you can make the argument that jay isnt the most socially conscious guy in hiphop. you can even make the argument that jay isnt as socially conscious as some of the other alltime great emcees, but you cannot make the argument that dude doesnt have socially conscious rhymes and messages sprinkled all throughout his catalog. youre denying that he has his share of socially conscious messages sprinkled here and there throughout his catalog in order to justify hating on him and thats where youre being dishonest. he's been dropping socially sonscious jewels since rd man, keep it real.

22'2s-
"2 all my brothers it aint 2 late 2 come 2gether, cause
2 much black
plus
2 much love
= 4ever"

heres 1 of my favorites, its from dopeman:

"blindfolded, expected to walk a str8 line
mind-molded, taught to love you and hate mine
climbed over it, at an early age jay shined
fuk the system, at lady justice i blaze 9
your honor i no longer kill my ppl, i raise mine
the soul of mumia in this mondern day time"

[Todd McPiff]

first of all, i know damn well you n1ggas either ain't listening to the actual music, or you're in denial to make your point, jay has plenty of social commentary, even in his songs that don't even really fit that mold, he still manages to drop jewels here and there

and then on top of that....i keep seeing some dumbass comparing jay to pac, as if to be a great emcee you gotta be like pac, now pac is my favorite rapper ever, but i loved pac's music because it was HIS, jay-z being more like 2pac, would mean he wouldn't be jay-z

people loved pac for what he did, people love jay for what he does, not all rappers gotta be mr uplifting all the time (neither was pac) or even todays jaded definition of "conscious" to be great emcees, stop trying to turn jay into another artist, just say that you prefer people with different subject matter and keep it moving

and lol@ he should donate more money, n1gga why are you watching jay's pockets? and since you watching so closely...why don't you give me some proof that he DOESN'T donate money to blacks (da fucck was all the water hoopla again?), you n1ggas are insane man

and instead of a gang of lip service, jay has led by example, and in his music, instead of preaching to you, he spits it in a manner that real street cats can understand, a good portion of his music is EMPOWERING, especially when it comes to financial gain, you got a lot of kids trying to break out and be entrepreneurs because of jay-z, just because he doesn't have a kufi on don't mean he ain't kicking knowledge

dude is an inspiration to many, but because he doesn't talk enough about this or that particular subject, his whole career somehow amounts to nothing....da fucck outta here, stop skimming through tracks and stop with the pretentious back pack attitude/assumption that knowledge can only come in the form talib kweli and crochet hats

and to be honest...when jay actually did try to throw in more content (IE. minority report) n1ggas called it contrived and forced, n1ggas won't even acknowledge that song, or an album full of mature centered subject matter ,they want that igorant sh1t instead


thank you

[smARTmouf]

"Minority Report"...Ya'll aren't commenting on ANY other songs that are in this songs vein.

[Sunzoo aka LC]

"Minority Report"...Ya'll aren't commenting on ANY other songs that are in this songs vein.

balled for a fallen soldier
lucky me
some how some way
this can't be life
where have you been
meet the parents

for starters...and if you are just talking "content" in general, theres plenty more

[smARTmouf]

balled for a fallen soldier
lucky me
some how some way
this can't be life
where have you been
meet the parents
for starters...and if you are just talking "content" in general, theres plenty more


Man, the content is different.

In minority report, jay z is specifically commenting on the hurrican...He does it well too.

I'ma need more types of tracks like THIS.

[Tetris v2.0]

not ME...I'm grown.
The impressionable youth.
What would you want said to your child?
I wish I could give this thread negative-infinity stars...

[smARTmouf]

I wish I could give this thread negative-infinity stars...

keep it moving..because ya'll aint even saying sh|t.

cause JAY-Z is under fire here ya'll taking it personal...

...It's clear sh|t won't change, cause ya'll don't even comprehend what I'm saying..And aint even trying..

SMH

[Sunzoo aka LC]

Man, the content is different.
In minority report, jay z is specifically commenting on the hurrican...He does it well too.
I'ma need more types of tracks like THIS.


the point is, you can't force your rappers to tailor make their music to fit your preference, you know damn well if jay made a whole album about "ISSUES" people would treat it the same way they treated cuts like minority report

so instead of dedicating his whole discography, he drops knowledge in bits and pieces and makes it decipherable to the average street cat, one of the illest social quotes from last year came directly from jays mouth, and for an album that was "just about coke" (again, n1ggas not listening) AG had plenty of these type quotables on them

We ain't thugs for the sake of just being thugs
Nobody do dat where we grew at, n1gga, DUH!
The poverty line, we not above
So out come the mask and gloves, cause we ain't feelin' the love
We ain't doing crime for the sake of doing crime
We movin' dimes cause we ain't doin' fine
One out of three of us is locked up doing time
You know what that type of **** can do to a n1gga mind?
My mind on my money, money on my mind
If you owe me ten dollars, you ain't giving me nine
Ya'll ain't give me 40 acres and a mule
So i got my Glock 40, now i'm cool
And if Al Sharpton is speaking for me
Somebody get him the word and tell him i don't approve
Tell him i'll remove the curses
If you tell me our schools gon' be perfect
When Jena 6 don't exist
Tell him THAT's when i'll stop saying biitch---BIIITCH!

but like i said, if jay started doing this kind of material PREDOMINANTLY, you n1ggas (not saying you specifically) would throw a HISSY FIT, we've already seen this with KC and the change of direction...so instead of going blatent, jay slips the pill/medicine in the cupcake so the kids will actually bite

[Tetris v2.0]

keep it moving..because ya'll aint even saying sh|t.
cause JAY-Z is under fire here ya'll taking it personal...
...It's clear sh|t won't change, cause ya'll don't even comprehend what I'm saying..And aint even trying..
SMH
Kids shouldnt be taking rap lyrics literally. Jay doesnt have to prove sh1t, he's a great role model for kids and he represents nothing but positivity these days. In 97-98 you couldve made the argument, but now? Nope. Growing up my favorite rappers were Snoop and Prodigy and they never had much in the way of positive messages

Sunzoo is right. Jay doesnt really make conscious SONGS, but he incorporates troubles of life into his verses. The song might be called "we the illest and have the nicest cars bla bla wtv wtv" but he'll reference the justice system and the overall struggle required to get to that position. Its more of a "stream of conciousness"

[Sunzoo aka LC]

SAY JAY-Z WHY YOU GOTTA GO DISRESPECT THE WOMEN FOR HUH?

Sisters get respect, B1tches get what they deserve
Sisters work hard, B1tches work your nerves,
Sisters hold you down, B1tches hold you up,
Sisters help you progress, B1tches'll slow you up,
Sisters cook up a meal play they role with the kidz
B1tches in the street with they nose in ya biz,
Sisters tell the truth, B1tches tell lies,
Sisters drive cars, B1tches wanna ride
Sisters give up the ass, B1tches give up the ass
Sisters do it slow, B1tchesdo it fast
Sisters do they dirt outside of where they live
B1tches have n1ggas all up in your crib,
Sisters tell you quick you betta check ya homie,
B1tches don't give a **** they wanna check for ya homie,
Sisters love Jay cause they know how hov is
I LOVE MY SISTERS I DON'T LOVE NO B1TCH

[smARTmouf]

the point is, you can't force your rappers to tailor make their music to fit your preference, you know damn well if jay made a whole album about "ISSUES" people would treat it the same way they treated cuts like minority report
so instead of dedicating his whole discography, he drops knowledge in bits and pieces and makes it decipherable to the average street cat, one of the illest social quotes from last year came directly from jays mouth, and for an album that was "just about coke" (again, n1ggas not listening) AG had plenty of these type quotables on them
We ain't thugs for the sake of just being thugs
Nobody do dat where we grew at, n1gga, DUH!
The poverty line, we not above
So out come the mask and gloves, cause we ain't feelin' the love
We ain't doing crime for the sake of doing crime
We movin' dimes cause we ain't doin' fine
One out of three of us is locked up doing time
You know what that type of **** can do to a n1gga mind?
My mind on my money, money on my mind
If you owe me ten dollars, you ain't giving me nine
Ya'll ain't give me 40 acres and a mule
So i got my Glock 40, now i'm cool
And if Al Sharpton is speaking for me
Somebody get him the word and tell him i don't approve
Tell him i'll remove the curses
If you tell me our schools gon' be perfect
When Jena 6 don't exist
Tell him THAT's when i'll stop saying biitch---BIIITCH!
but like i said, if jay started doing this kind of material PREDOMINANTLY, you n1ggas (not saying you specifically) would throw a HISSY FIT, we've already seen this with KC and the change of direction...so instead of going blatent, jay slips the pill/medicine in the cupcake so the kids will actually bite


See...I NEVER said a WHOLE album...Do what he do...But he can do more for the people....All this talking to the streets and doing sh|t for the streets...Kids pop in his sh|t...yeah, they can relate, but are they taking away from that....

When hip hop takes fire...we should be able to point to an assortment of tracks that'll shut these fukkers up.

Ya'll on some hamster wheel type sh|t...Aint getting ANYWHERE...where is the growth?

shouldn't you grow if you've been around for so damn long?

[smARTmouf]

Kids shouldnt be taking rap lyrics literally. Jay doesnt have to prove sh1t, he's a great role model for kids and he represents nothing but positivity these days. In 97-98 you couldve made the argument, but now? Nope. Growing up my favorite rappers were Snoop and Prodigy and they never had much in the way of positive messages
Sunzoo is right. Jay doesnt really make conscious SONGS, but he incorporates troubles of life into his verses. The song might be called "we the illest and have the nicest cars bla bla wtv wtv" but he'll reference the justice system and the overall struggle required to get to that position. Its more of a "stream of conciousness"


OF COURSE kids shouldn't be taking rap lyrics literally.

Just like a man shouldn't be shot in the face because he's wearing the wrong colors...

But they DO.

Now...It's a fine line between being preaching and successfully getting the message across...But sh|t...JAY-Z COULD do it...and do it WELL...But it's like he doesn't find importance in it.

lines here and there don't cut it

I mean..is it to UNCOOL to dedicate a track on politics and why we should vote?

[Tetris v2.0]

OF COURSE kids shouldn't be taking rap lyrics literally.
Just like a man shouldn't be shot in the face because he's wearing the wrong colors...
But they DO.
Now...It's a fine line between being preaching and successfully getting the message across...But sh|t...JAY-Z COULD do it...and do it WELL...But it's like he doesn't find importance in it.
lines here and there don't cut it
I mean..is it to UNCOOL to dedicate a track on politics and why we should vote?
He's an artist, he doesnt have to do sh1t, period. There are plenty of rappers who are more than willing to make songs about the election. Maybe he doesnt believe in the voting process at all? Its possible.

No one HAS to make a song about anything. People seem to have this misconception that art has to be socially viable or inherently positive. It doesnt. You can look at film, literature or music. Hip-hop has it rough because it tends to be very immature and the youth are the main listeners, but Im not trying to hear some contrived Jigga joint telling kids to go out and vote. Most kids arent trying to hear that, and theres a 90% chance Jay isnt trying to make one either. Its the parents, school and political parties' jobs to do that, not rappers. Their job is to look cool, pick good beats and flow.