SMH @ Jay calling himself the GOAT when he aint even better than Snoop

[authentiq]

Str8 talk

Snoop been in the game for more than 15 years, dropped albums after albums, even dropped group things like the eastsidaz, 213, dpg etc...

You could actually play 1 hour of Snoop's hits at any party and have people going nuts.

Even now, he's still putting quality music, can rock the crowd etc...

Why would you put Jay-Z before Snoop ?

Maybe because you from NY & you hate Snoop or maybe because of the money Jay has or maybe because you're just a fan of jay

frankly i dont know why people would have him # 1 and not have Snoop on before Jay

[Bathing Ape da goat]

lame attempt at a shock thread

*leaves thread disgusted*

[authentiq]

by the way

Snoop Dogg - Neva Have 2 Worry (video)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-mA7ONSxTCc&eurl=http://icedotcom.blogspot.com/

[obarth]

Str8 talk
Snoop been in the game for more than 15 years, dropped albums after albums, even dropped group things like the eastsidaz, 213, dpg etc...
You could actually play 1 hour of Snoop's hits at any party and have people going nuts.
Even now, he's still putting quality music, can rock the crowd etc...
Why would you put Jay-Z before Snoop ?
Maybe because you from NY & you hate Snoop or maybe because of the money Jay has or maybe because you're just a fan of jay
frankly i dont know why people would have him # 1 and not have Snoop on before Jay

Other than being a notable name in the game for slightly longer, and being a part of some groups, you didn't make much of a case for Snoop. If you're basing this on party hits, Jay might have Snoop beat. That's not even getting into the technical part of things. Plus I feel like Jay's been more consistent album to album than Snoop has. That said, they're both legends so I don't think it's a stretch to compare them.

[Slice-Twice]

Str8 talk
Snoop been in the game for more than 15 years, dropped albums after albums, even dropped group things like the eastsidaz, 213, dpg etc...
You could actually play 1 hour of Snoop's hits at any party and have people going nuts.
Even now, he's still putting quality music, can rock the crowd etc...
Why would you put Jay-Z before Snoop ?
Maybe because you from NY & you hate Snoop or maybe because of the money Jay has or maybe because you're just a fan of jay
frankly i dont know why people would have him # 1 and not have Snoop on before Jay
I think Snoop is better than jay
doggystyle > Reasonable Doubt

[Vincenzo_Corleone]

Not that comparable, but Snoop's higher on my list; definitely.

[Swagger]

jay is a better emcee but overall snoop is a superstar who doesn't get the respect he deserves from you ny dirtbags

[authentiq]

Other than being a notable name in the game for slightly longer, and being a part of some groups, you didn't make much of a case for Snoop. If you're basing this on party hits, Jay might have Snoop beat. That's not even getting into the technical part of things. Plus I feel like Jay's been more consistent album to album than Snoop has. That said, they're both legends so I don't think it's a stretch to compare them.

are you serious with the party hits ?

nah man you cant be serious

gin & juice
doggy dogg world
ain't no fun
who am i
b1tch please
drop it like its hot
lets get blown
beautiful
thats that shyt
sensual seduction
just dippin
g'd up
lay low

and we could go on & on

[MACADO]

Threadstarter is a wise man

[dtjones]

I like & listen to Snoop more but Jay-Z > Snoop.

[the bottomline]

snoop has a helluva lot of hits
but jay catalog is much better than snoop

when snoop went to no limit he lost it

[ptahblade07]

some of yall take nonsense to a level beyond rationale...

snoop been in the game 15 years has one classic and a bunch of okay albums.....and his classic was really just on the back of dr dre.....

[Newday]

Jay-z at his worst > Snoop at his best

[Bathing Ape da goat]

are you serious with the party hits ?
nah man you cant be serious
gin & juice
doggy dogg world
ain't no fun
who am i
b1tch please
drop it like its hot
lets get blown
beautiful
thats that shyt
sensual seduction
just dippin
g'd up
lay low
and we could go on & on

lol @ thats that shyt, g'd up. just dippin...being "party hits"

smh @ snoop having delusional stans

jay z runs the game when it comes to party sh1t...he even got sh1t like hard knock life bumpin in clubs t one point

[the bottomline]

jay

aint no *****
hard knock life
can i get a
money aint a thing
big pimping
do it again (hands up)
jigga my *****
***** what ***** who
money cash hoes
hey paPI
BIG PIMPIN
is that yo *****
give it to me
change clothes
encore
show me what you got
roc boys
etc etc

[gawdbondie]

Snoop is an icon...no need to compare the two IMo.

[alldaybroadway]

forums.sohh.com will be gone soon because of people like you

Str8 talk
Snoop been in the game for more than 15 years, dropped albums after albums, even dropped group things like the eastsidaz, 213, dpg etc...
You could actually play 1 hour of Snoop's hits at any party and have people going nuts.
Even now, he's still putting quality music, can rock the crowd etc...
Why would you put Jay-Z before Snoop ?
Maybe because you from NY & you hate Snoop or maybe because of the money Jay has or maybe because you're just a fan of jay
frankly i dont know why people would have him # 1 and not have Snoop on before Jay

[Slice-Twice]

some of yall take nonsense to a level beyond rationale...
snoop been in the game 15 years has one classic and a bunch of okay albums.....and his classic was really just on the back of dr dre.....
blah blah blah you can say the same about jay-z

Jay-z has one classic album, the blue print, and then got kicked to the curb by nas, who has no clout in the business whats so ever...



As far as comparing party tracks, do ya'll even like those 'for the moment' hits jay-z even had...they were for that 'two month' period at the time, but ain't no one goes "hey remember that jay-z track, i don't remember the name but it sounded alot like his last 5 singles"


Snoop as the perfect balance of party singles mixed with street rhymes...

Jay is like "Mommy Dressed me, Shopping in the district, I own 1 % of the nets and my fans front like I own 80, That means I was raised in the 80's...UGH........Heeeeeeeeeeey Papi............"

[gawdbondie]

blah blah blah you can say the same about jay-z
Jay-z has one classic album, the blue print, and then got kicked to the curb by nas, who has no clout in the business whats so ever...
As far as comparing party tracks, do ya'll even like those 'for the moment' hits jay-z even had...they were for that 'two month' period at the time, but ain't no one goes "hey remember that jay-z track, i don't remember the name but it sounded alot like his last 5 singles"
Snoop as the perfect balance of party singles mixed with street rhymes...
Jay is like "Mommy Dressed me, Shopping in the district, I own 1 % of the nets and my fans front like I own 80, That means I was raised in the 80's...UGH........Heeeeeeeeeeey Papi............"
:huh: what in the world are you talkin bout?

[Vincenzo_Corleone]

As far as comparing party tracks, do ya'll even like those 'for the moment' hits jay-z even had...they were for that 'two month' period at the time, but ain't no one goes "hey remember that jay-z track, i don't remember the name but it sounded alot like his last 5 singles"


Not to mention the fact that some of Jay's biggest tracks blatantly rip-off Snoop.

[Bathing Ape da goat]

blah blah blah you can say the same about jay-z
Jay-z has one classic album, the blue print, and then got kicked to the curb by nas, who has no clout in the business whats so ever...
As far as comparing party tracks, do ya'll even like those 'for the moment' hits jay-z even had...they were for that 'two month' period at the time, but ain't no one goes "hey remember that jay-z track, i don't remember the name but it sounded alot like his last 5 singles"
Snoop as the perfect balance of party singles mixed with street rhymes...
Jay is like "Mommy Dressed me, Shopping in the district, I own 1 % of the nets and my fans front like I own 80, That means I was raised in the 80's...UGH........Heeeeeeeeeeey Papi............"

worst reply ever

lol @jay being "kicked to the curb by nas"...who ended up working for who??

[W.I.Z.E.]

At first I thought this was a shock thread...then I realized you cats are serious.


1.) If you look at "most" peoples top 10 list you will NOT see Snoop....however, you will see Jay..don't believe me Check this out (ttp://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=988096)

OR

THIS (http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2006/emcees/)

2.) Jay's Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint are seen as classics by "most" people. He also has a catalogue of stronger ALBUMS.

3.) In terms of lyrics there is NO comparison.

4.) Impact on the game...c'mon man. He REALLY was the man that made ppl. start and stop drinkin' Crystal. REALLY made them stop making that 4.0 Range. And influenced mad ppl.'s dress codes.

Now in fairness Snoop is a beast in his own right. There's no denying his impact on the Game (no pun intended) is large. He's become multimedia and successful doing it. But c'mon man..as purely an emcee there is NO comparison.

[Bathing Ape da goat]

lol @ jay increasing evisu's stock like 239%...and deading throwback jerseys ...while making people start buying dress shirts.in the same year

lol @ "motorola 2 way page me" being one of the most influential lines in recent history

[Vincenzo_Corleone]

2.) Jay's Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint are seen as classics by "most" people. He also has a catalogue of stronger ALBUMS.


Whereas with Doggystyle it is not even debatable whether it is a classic - no 'most' no nothing, it's bonafide. We don't even have to put up top 10 lists for this.

That's not even going into Snoops legendary contributions through the Chronic, Dogg Pound etc. Influence? Wanna count the times Jay ripped Snoop off?

[Sunzoo aka LC]

n1gga please....snoop is a legend no doubt, but when it comes to fleshing out his legacy, he is somewhat an underachiever, and technically (lyrics, flows, quotes, concepts) he ain't coming nowhere near close

you can't even make a case catalog wise either, this argument has no legs, jay is top 10, snoop is top 20

[Sunzoo aka LC]

Whereas with Doggystyle it is not even debatable whether it is a classic - no 'most' no nothing, it's bonafide. We don't even have to put up top 10 lists for this.

That's not even going into Snoops legendary contributions through the Chronic, Dogg Pound etc. Influence? Wanna count the times Jay ripped Snoop off?


for one homie, i'ma need to see a list of these supposed songs that he ripped off from snoop, cuz that sounds like real reach

secondly, as much as i love DS and the cronic, neither album was all the way written by snoop, sh1t DOC and others are writing his sh1t right now, jay penned RD without the use of pinch hitters my n1gga...strike one, try harder

[Vincenzo_Corleone]

Jay does not have a better flow then Snoop, and quotes? Again, wanna count how much Snoop's quotes have been ripped - by Jay himself?

Jay and Snoop are both among my favorite rappers, but it's crazy to just say Snoop isn't anywhere near Jay - shyt, Snoop was a legend when Jay was still a nobody.

[ptahblade07]

blah blah blah you can say the same about jay-z
Jay-z has one classic album, the blue print, and then got kicked to the curb by nas, who has no clout in the business whats so ever...
As far as comparing party tracks, do ya'll even like those 'for the moment' hits jay-z even had...they were for that 'two month' period at the time, but ain't no one goes "hey remember that jay-z track, i don't remember the name but it sounded alot like his last 5 singles"
Snoop as the perfect balance of party singles mixed with street rhymes...
Jay is like "Mommy Dressed me, Shopping in the district, I own 1 % of the nets and my fans front like I own 80, That means I was raised in the 80's...UGH........Heeeeeeeeeeey Papi............"
correction jay has 4 classics.....reasonable doubt,blueprint,black album,american gangster(this one no one will admit to until about 4 years from now) and the albums that are not supposed classics have classic songs that we all still play today i.e in my lifetime has where im from, hard knock life which some consider a classic, blueprint 2 has more bangers on it than snoops last 3 albums. then you got the best of both worlds album that people still play but im realizing how dumb this is even arguing this point anybody tryin to say snoop better than jay is apparently a jay hater and on some powerful narcotic.....


*watching the last episode of the wire*

[Bathing Ape da goat]

lol @ snoops contribution to a dogg pound album being called "legendary"

[Vincenzo_Corleone]

for one homie, i'ma need to see a list of these supposed songs that he ripped off from snoop, cuz that sounds like real reach
secondly, as much as i love DS and the cronic, neither album was all the way written by snoop, sh1t DOC and others are writing his sh1t right now, jay penned RD without the use of pinch hitters my n1gga...strike one, try harder

The DOC himself said that Snoop freestyled a lot of Doggystyle, tracks like Tha Shiznit etc.

Try again.

[W.I.Z.E.]

Whereas with Doggystyle it is not even debatable whether it is a classic - no 'most' no nothing, it's bonafide. We don't even have to put up top 10 lists for this.

That's not even going into Snoops legendary contributions through the Chronic, Dogg Pound etc. Influence? Wanna count the times Jay ripped Snoop off?


Kid..I'm trying to be fair. To "me" there's no question. And you have ONE classic album vs. TWO. Vol. 2...the Black Album even American Gangsta are all STRONG albums.

Snoop does NOT have this kind of reach.

Face facts...u lose.

[Vincenzo_Corleone]

lol @ snoops contribution to a dogg pound album being called "legendary"

http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=988594

[Vincenzo_Corleone]

Kid..I'm trying to be fair. To "me" there's no question. And you have ONE classic album vs. TWO. Vol. 2...the Black Album even American Gangsta are all STRONG albums.
Snoop does NOT have this kind of reach.
Face facts...u lose.


Way to evade my point - is or is Doggystyle not MUCH higher in the echelon of Hip-Hop albums then any that Jay dropped.

Simple yes or no.

[Bathing Ape da goat]

if u really wanna get technical...snoops basically been spittin the same verse over and over for about 15 years straight

its his swag thats gets him the love...its just hard to hate on anything he does

[W.I.Z.E.]

Way to evade my point - is or is Doggystyle not MUCH higher in the echelon of Hip-Hop albums then any that Jay dropped.
Simple yes or no.


NO...

next question...

IS Snoop on most peoples Top 10?...and look at my post with TWO different sources before answering.

[Sunzoo aka LC]

The DOC himself said that Snoop freestyled a lot of Doggystyle, tracks like Tha Shiznit etc.

Try again.

try what? how about you acknowledge that this unshakable classic that you're speaking of (you won't get an argument from me on that, love the album) is not born purely of snoops mind?

in those days, snoop could freestyle, but couldn't put it into song form, therefore he was using ghost writers....period point blank right? sh1t he's using them RIGHT NOW

like i said, your argument ain't got no legs, i asked you like 3 or 4 posts ago which songs did jay rip off from snoop and no answer...then you come back skipping around the fact of DS having ghost writers if not all of snoops albums for that matter

and in the technical aspects of emceeing...can you actually give snoop the nod over jay? if you can, i want whatever the fucck you smoking loc

[Vincenzo_Corleone]

and in the technical aspects of emceeing...can you actually give snoop the nod over jay? if you can, i want whatever the fucck you smoking loc

Not really, check the thread - I never called Jay wack or anything, in fact I even pointed out that he's one of my faves. It just so happens that I really don't give a fukk about 'technical aspects', that's the shyt that Canibus fans usually throw around.

Jay is much cleverer then Snoop as an Mc, that's obvious - but Snoop has a much better flow, and Jay, not on AG but on everything from Blueprint II to Kingdom Come comes off as trying too hard. Dude was corny as hell to me until he dropped AG, which is a great album.

And Doggystyle have been born by great minds who weren't Snoop doesn't do a single thing to denounce Snoops performance on it - that's why I didn't go in depth for it. Nas was helped plenty on Illmatic, hell right before his first verse we hear 'I don't know how to start this' - that's because they were young as fukk when they dropped.

When Jay first got into the game he was wearing hawaiian shirts - he didn't magically drop Reasonable Doubt after 'dibbling' into the rapgame, he had been trying for years.

On to influence - the biggest single off Jay's only real classic so far, AG might be the second, had Jay izzling it up. While it wasn't originated by Snoop - it was bitten by him, Jay was on Hot97 shouting out Snoop (and Snoop called in) after that.

To WIZE: Sohh lists? You expect me to look at lists from a forum where people call Krs flow wack and question his legendary status serious? Come on man, go outside or something - go to concerts, travel. Snoop is right up there with Jay, I don't question that Jay is higher on the general list - that's a nobrainer, I'm questioning the people saying that Snoop is nowhere near Jay...There is a difference.

[SubLyminalz]

:laugh: @ comparing snoop to jay, snoop has been trash for over 10 years now, i have never in my life heard anybody say they are anticipating a snoop album after doggystyle

[Smash]

:laugh: @ comparing snoop to jay, snoop has been trash for over 10 years now, i have never in my life heard anybody say they are anticipating a snoop album after doggystyle

c/s

Dont snoop have ghostwriters now and shyt too?

[Mandizi]

Jigga>Snoop

Jigga=top 5
Snoop=top 20

[Scorcher]

jay is a better emcee but overall snoop is a superstar who doesn't get the respect he deserves from you ny dirtbags

Thats all that matters.:yes:

Don't even take Snoop seriously.

[Bigsmokes]

Jay-Z is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than Snoop.

Snoop and his one good album can get out of here!

[W.I.Z.E.]

Jay is much cleverer.....



:confused:



but on everything from Blueprint II to Kingdom Come comes off as trying too hard. Dude was corny as hell to me until he dropped AG, which is a great album.




That's the MINORITY of his catalogue.

Nas was helped plenty on Illmatic, hell right before his first verse we hear 'I don't know how to start this' - that's because they were young as fukk when they dropped.


:confused: :dry:

yo...we're talking about writing albums and you say THIS...who helped WRITE Nas' album?





On to influence - the biggest single off Jay's only real classic so far, AG might be the second, had Jay izzling it up. While it wasn't originated by Snoop - it was bitten by him, Jay was on Hot97 shouting out Snoop (and Snoop called in) after that.


man....everyone knows that was from E-40....




To WIZE: Sohh lists? You expect me to look at lists from a forum where people call Krs flow wack and question his legendary status serious? Come on man, go outside or something - go to concerts, travel.



If you read I put a MTV list up there too.

seriously...this last post you wrote let's me know you're not really armed for this debate. Your points are weak, flawed and have little to no grounding in reality.

[Tech Quadafi]

Straight up, while I respect Jay for his contributions, I cant stand his music. I think hes garbage. But having said that, I can definitely understand why his fans think hes great and why they would scoff at a Jay-Snoop comparison

BUT

Let me tell you why Ill take Snoop over Jay ANY DAY of the week

All Jay Z has over Snoop is technical lyricism. Punchlines, multis etc

FLOW? Snoop

CONTENT? Snoop

MESSAGE? Snoop

DIVERSITY? Snoop

ORIGINALITY? Snoop

BEST ALBUM COMPARISON? Snoop

CATALOGUE? Snoop

SWAGGER/MIC PRESENCE? Snoop

FREESTYLE? Snoop

LIVE PERFORMANCE? Snoop

ARTISTRY? Snoop

HOOKS? Snoop

And Ill take the Doggystyle Records Camp over the Roc all day every day

[Sunzoo aka LC]

all i seen was a bunch of pointless rhetoric and no real answers...i'm done man, you've made it clear that you have no real point lol, da fucck does hawaian sophie have to do with writing your own albums? where are the ripped off singles? the izzle talk? thats bay sh1t, snoop is from long beach, jay like many east coast rappers were on the west coasts dik..even biggie was when he blew

jay has never tried to downplay the bay/west coast influence in his music, but to attribute all of that to snoop is asinine, but yea...i'm done

[Sunzoo aka LC]

Straight up, while I respect Jay for his contributions, I cant stand his music. I think hes garbage. But having said that, I can definitely understand why his fans think hes great and why they would scoff at a Jay-Snoop comparison
BUT
Let me tell you why Ill take Snoop over Jay ANY DAY of the week
All Jay Z has over Snoop is technical lyricism. Punchlines, multis etc
FLOW? Snoop
CONTENT? Snoop
MESSAGE? Snoop
DIVERSITY? Snoop
ORIGINALITY? Snoop
BEST ALBUM COMPARISON? Snoop
CATALOGUE? Snoop
SWAGGER/MIC PRESENCE? Snoop
FREESTYLE? Snoop
LIVE PERFORMANCE? Snoop
ARTISTRY? Snoop
HOOKS? Snoop
And Ill take the Doggystyle Records Camp over the Roc all day every day

snoop has 1 classic, and 8 on the fence ass albums

jay has at least two classics and a consistent catalog of good albums...very few bad apples out the bunch, there is no argument to be made when it comes to catalog on some snoop vs. jay sh1t

what albums other than DS were even remotely good? his best sh1t recently was blue carpet treatment and even that wasn't the "bees knees", nowhere near AG

i mean...where are the gems in this catalog? the dogfather? the wack no limit sh1t? i mean whats really good?

i mean if you like snoop more, just say you like snoop more just because you do...trying to make a rational unbiased case for it just makes your sh1t look suspect

jay has a better catalog, jay is a better spitter, he has more albums out and has been CONSISTENT, something that has eluded snoop creatively and he has the same amount of hits of not more

[1991]

lame attempt at a shock thread
*leaves thread disgusted*

[SubLyminalz]

Straight up, while I respect Jay for his contributions, I cant stand his music. I think hes garbage. But having said that, I can definitely understand why his fans think hes great and why they would scoff at a Jay-Snoop comparison
BUT
Let me tell you why Ill take Snoop over Jay ANY DAY of the week
All Jay Z has over Snoop is technical lyricism. Punchlines, multis etc
FLOW? Snoop
CONTENT? Snoop
MESSAGE? Snoop
DIVERSITY? Snoop
ORIGINALITY? Snoop
BEST ALBUM COMPARISON? Snoop
CATALOGUE? Snoop
SWAGGER/MIC PRESENCE? Snoop
FREESTYLE? Snoop
LIVE PERFORMANCE? Snoop
ARTISTRY? Snoop
HOOKS? Snoop
And Ill take the Doggystyle Records Camp over the Roc all day every day
snoop has better flow, content, and message than jay? fukk outta here, snoop has been talkin about the same sh1t for the past 15 years

[Green Lantern]

The Spot is so f*cking weak

[Micgnatize]

At first I thought this was a shock thread...then I realized you cats are serious.




4.) Impact on the game...c'mon man. He REALLY was the man that made ppl. start and stop drinkin' Crystal. REALLY made them stop making that 4.0 Range. And influenced mad ppl.'s dress codes.





you know someone who drank that ish in the first place?