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Cam'run Miles
01-28-08, 08:26 AM
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1580337/20080125/fiasco__lupe.jhtml

Artist: Joe Budden

Representing: Jerz

Mixtape: Mood Muzik 3: The Album

411: Lyrically, Joe Budden is the "Cloverfield" monster. He hasn't put out an album in four years, and every fan of abundantly heady bars should feel cheated. He is one of the best artists not getting a proper shot. He's one of the best, period. While in limbo with Def Jam, his Mood Muzik mixtape series has kept him afloat, and the third installment gets our overwhelming cosign as the first great street CD of 2008. (Hey, Malice and Pusha, what happened with the release of y'all's joint? We're waiting.)

Although a version of the MM3 that DJ On Point helped put together is out on the streets now, the real underground album is coming in February.

"It's being released digitally on Amalgam," Budden said a couple of weeks ago in Harlem. "I think eventually ... you'll only be able to get music digitally. I'd like to jump on that bandwagon. Since my hiatus, I've been big online, so this album is going online."

But Joe hasn't ruled out going back to a major label. Shady Records wouldn't be a bad spot, he said, but in the meantime, while he's finalizing his free agency, Budden is preparing to drop an official album called Padded Room later this year.

"The mood will be lighter," he said. "I progressively go back to that mainstream. We're about six songs in. The record right now that sticks out is 'I Couldn't Help It.' It talks about some situations I had with some rappers' wives. It's pretty self-explanatory."

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"Talk 2 Em." "The song started out in one place and ended someplace totally different," Budden said of the record, where he expounds on his frustration with Jay-Z. "That happens a lot on Mood Muzik. Like, the timing just changes from bar to bar. I'm not mad at Jay putting albums out, I'm mad at how other albums get treated. Me being on Def Jam and not releasing an album [in four years], I watched how other albums were treated. You didn't need to be an expert in music to see some things didn't make sense. To put an album in stores when a record only has 300 spins — it doesn't make sense. Start pitting your artists against each other on the same release date — it doesn't make sense. Somebody has to take the blame. Somebody does.

"I don't even attack Jay-Z," he continued. "I attack Shawn Carter, the man in the suit, the man behind the desk. When I come in to have a conversation with you in search of some kind of guidance or information and get a whole bunch of BS in response, there's no other way for an artist to respond. But the difficult part is that you're the greatest rapper. It's like the bully who comes to school, and because he can beat everybody up, he beats everybody up. So that was me saying, 'F you.' If it comes down to going bar for bar with you, I'll do that too. Whatever it takes to get some type of respect on this label, or off the label for that matter, I'm not afraid of you lyrically."

"Dear Diary." "It's weird," Jump Off Joey explained. "A lot of times on the record I can talk about things that I would not talk about off the record or outside the booth or even amongst family and friends. ... I have had some situations where people [who] were in my life ... were no longer in my life. I went back to talking about my child's mother and the situations me and her continuously have. I spoke to her yesterday, and she was like, 'Stop running around talking.' She didn't have a positive response to it. My baby's mom took me to court for talking about her on records. I had to change up how it was done.

"It's just me in the booth," Joe added. "Me and the mic, and I'm venting. Once I do that, I feel better."

"Warfare" (featuring Joell Ortiz). "[Ortiz] reminded me a lot of myself: young guy coming up, spitting extremely hard and just loves music," the Jersey MC said. "He reached out to me. It took us a little while to link up, but we finally did, and we had a great time making the record. ... We didn't want to do the whole thing where [you say], 'I wanna work with you. You MP3 something; I MP3 you something back.' ... We wanted to have a lyrical slugfest, and it sounds that way. ... Me and him are going to be doing a lot of things in the future."

pureplayaII
01-28-08, 02:43 PM
I don´t think Jay-Z is gonna waste some bars on this dude...

Clem
01-28-08, 02:53 PM
lol @ this dust head being upset. Makes no sense.

BlackBulletZZ
01-28-08, 02:54 PM
jay-z doesn't have it in him

he will make a subliminal record (even though he doesn't respect them)

and then say "now don't make me handle you and REALLY give it to you" only to never be heard from again

1991
01-28-08, 02:54 PM
Lol @ Mr sendspace records sayin ''you'' like jigga was even aware this ni99a is still alive let alone readin this sh1t

Sunzoo aka LC
01-28-08, 02:59 PM
i still like joey, but i never pegged him as the bitter hater type, like this n1gga wasn't having problems on DJ before jay even thought about becoming prez...and now all of a sudden "somebody gotta take the blame"

n1gga you should take the blame, not a n1gga who came AFTER you were getting played to the left, you're not an artist who can sell period, in this time of record industry debt, a n1gga who is unproven to the sales market is NOT A PRIORITY, these labels gotta fire and lay off people just to make ends meet, so they are gonna put out the albums they KNOW can sell some records to generate some revenue, once they get out of the red...if ever, maybe some of you b-list n1ggas can get a go ahead...this ain't jays fault, this is just the current buisness model of the record industry going through a drastic change, stop acting like dude owes you a hand job or some sh1t, this is some girly mouth bullsh1t

oh and AG >>>> MM3 by a fucckin long shot, i give props for joey "not being afraid" but the fact is, if jay at his current state "fell off", what does that make joey? cuz he is still a far inferior artist to jigga even right now

westkoast2k2
01-28-08, 03:15 PM
That doesn't mean **** really. People are not afraid of going to war in Iraq but still end up dying. Makes no difference. Joe Budden CANNOT and WILL NOT handle Jayz. He's the most overhyped mc ive seen.

Corleone_N$H
01-28-08, 03:22 PM
Sohh's favorite rapper dont want it wit Jigga

Woodrow
01-28-08, 03:23 PM
That doesn't mean **** really. People are not afraid of going to war in Iraq but still end up dying. Makes no difference. Joe Budden CANNOT and WILL NOT handle Jayz. He's the most overhyped mc ive seen.

kinda explains why u think he cant hang with jay, even tho he's already proven he can (pump it up rmx.).

we all kno who wins career-wise, who wins overall as an mc when the books are written. but at this point in his life... i doubt if jay's hungry enough to go in on this the way he'd need to. i dont even blame him. but still...

we all thought jay vs. jim jones was an automatic body, and that shyt jay dropped was trash. if jim wasnt 70% dirt, 20% swagger, 5% adlibs, and 3% skill, that battle could have gotten ugly. jay aint gettin away with that shyt vs. joe. whether u feel he's overhyped or not.

westkoast2k2
01-28-08, 03:26 PM
kinda explains why u think he cant hang with jay, even tho he's already proven he can (pump it up rmx.).
we all kno who wins career-wise, who wins overall as an mc when the books are written. but at this point in his life... i doubt if jay's hungry enough to go in on this the way he'd need to. i dont even blame him. but still...
we all thought jay vs. jim jones was an automatic body, and that shyt jay dropped was trash. if jim wasnt 70% dirt, 20% swagger, 5% adlibs, and 3% skill, that battle could have gotten ugly. jay aint gettin away with that shyt vs. joe.

He gets very little points from me for listening to Jay-zs track and pretty much copying it (and IMO coming up short).


Joe is overhyped and while hes a solid MC...he can't hang with Jay point blank period

The reason why I dont think Joe Budden cannot hang has nothing to do with him being overhyped and everything about Jay being better then Joe Budden in every way possible.

Monoblock
01-28-08, 03:29 PM
n/m

The Real
01-28-08, 03:30 PM
I would be disappointed if Jay even spent half a bar on this emo n****.

rap-fan-unlimited
01-28-08, 03:38 PM
i still like joey, but i never pegged him as the bitter hater type, like this n1gga wasn't having problems on DJ before jay even thought about becoming prez...and now all of a sudden "somebody gotta take the blame"
n1gga you should take the blame, not a n1gga who came AFTER you were getting played to the left, you're not an artist who can sell period, in this time of record industry debt, a n1gga who is unproven to the sales market is NOT A PRIORITY, these labels gotta fire and lay off people just to make ends meet, so they are gonna put out the albums they KNOW can sell some records to generate some revenue, once they get out of the red...if ever, maybe some of you b-list n1ggas can get a go ahead...this ain't jays fault, this is just the current buisness model of the record industry going through a drastic change, stop acting like dude owes you a hand job or some sh1t, this is some girly mouth bullsh1t

oh and AG >>>> MM3 by a fucckin long shot, i give props for joey "not being afraid" but the fact is, if jay at his current state "fell off", what does that make joey? cuz he is still a far inferior artist to jigga even right now
:king::yes:

Woodrow
01-28-08, 03:44 PM
He gets very little points from me for listening to Jay-zs track and pretty much copying it (and IMO coming up short).


Joe is overhyped and while hes a solid MC...he can't hang with Jay point blank period

The reason why I dont think Joe Budden cannot hang has nothing to do with him being overhyped and everything about Jay being better then Joe Budden in every way possible.

jay is better. but is he better right now? lyrically? i think that's the real question. and i think it's debatable.

one guy sounds like he's been locked in a studio for the past two years on a tuna fish and sugar water diet (aka hungry). the other's thinking about starting his own label with Steve Jobs.

i just question if jay has the hunger for a serious battle anymore. cause again, joe aint jim jones; he's gonna toss something mean back. if jay aint gonna take the time to really go in on him, he should leave it be.

ILLFiL A BLuNT
01-28-08, 04:03 PM
I would be disappointed if Jay even spent half a bar on this emo n****.

lol get ya dissapointment ready cuz he already dissed him on the last B.I.G. lp

westkoast2k2
01-28-08, 04:16 PM
jay is better. but is he better right now? lyrically? i think that's the real question. and i think it's debatable.
one guy sounds like he's been locked in a studio for the past two years on a tuna fish and sugar water diet (aka hungry). the other's thinking about starting his own label with Steve Jobs.
i just question if jay has the hunger for a serious battle anymore. cause again, joe aint jim jones; he's gonna toss something mean back. if jay aint gonna take the time to really go in on him, he should leave it be.

Yea..Mood Muzik 3 got a few listens and I moved it aside. I was listening to American Gangster in the car on the way to work this morning.

He's not gonna toss something mean back. He is going to recycle whatever Jay-z said or did for his reply.

Jay doesn't need hunger to battle someone like Joe Budden. All he needs to do is mention how much he influenced him and its over.

BlackBulletZZ
01-28-08, 07:52 PM
smh

Mowgli
01-28-08, 10:59 PM
So hes not afraid of him lyrically. Thats real specific. He must be afraid of him in real fukkin life then. Hoe buddens. There goes go go buddens poppin that sh1t again. Fukk this dude. Dont nobody wanna hear about hisloser depressed life

*started out puffin sherm my eyes all hazy/learned to cut school what u learn dont phase me* - some sh1t hed right.

DUDE IS A FUKKIN BUM. Last desperate attempt to catch a buzz before he falls into a downward spiral of oblivion called the end of his career. Jay couldnt have saved him. NOBODY COULD. Hes depressed and people like that belong livin at they mommies house on dope and pills. WOUUUuuu.:king:

E-MAC
01-29-08, 12:05 AM
Don't get mad Jigga Warriors, Budden is just saying the truth you know deep down in your hearts that Joe would destroy Jigga on wax if they battled. But old man Carter knows better he can't afford to take another loss to his already damaged reputation when it comes to beef.

Mr. Papagiorgio
01-29-08, 06:25 PM
all i can say to mouse is. .

PUMP. . . PUMP IT UP!!





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C.R.£.A.M
02-04-08, 06:55 PM
I guess there's no such thing as rooting for the under dog on sohh (as far as rap goes). Fact Joey is as lyrically skilled as Jigga (I actually think he could out spit Jigga in a battle of pure lyrical skill) to compete now. Y'all will dismis that with sum stupid shyt like "he a bum".