***ATTENTION SOHH'ers...I don't like 90 percent of pre 1994 Hip-Hop. Is that cool???

[Roxx the King]

This was inspired by another thread about unpopular hip-hop opinions....

I don't like or appreciate much of the rap music that came out before 1994. The first rap album I heard was Illmatic, and have the fondest memories of going to sleep in 5th grade while my big bruh-bruh played OB4CL. Only ten year old in the hood that knew Nas verse from "Verbal Intercourse" but let's focus...

Do you have to appreciate old school rap? I appreciate the pioneering aspect of what they had to go through and how that set up todays music (thanks?), but the music, not so much. IMO, thats why they had such a tough time crossing over or getting respect b/c it sounded like garbage back then. I think a lot of it was before my time and I just can't get into it. I appreciate music partially because of the memories attached to it, but if I don't remember when it was hot, its hard to think some of it is. Basic rhyme patterns, simple beats... they lucky there weren't bloggers in 1991.

Some of it (the best of it) stands out and rises above the fray ie: Public Enemy, Big Daddy, Kane, Rakim etc... But that obscure ish, I'll let you old heads defend that against Nas on a Salaam Remi beat or Em on a Dre beat all day...:yes:


My question is: Should I be forced to like old school rap music (pre 1994) just so my opinion is respected in here?

:king:

[reddog271]

you like what you like.... does it truely bother you that you have an unpopular opinion

[Roxx the King]

not really, but it feels like a dirty secret when you argue hip hop all day b/c people assume hold so much stock in ya old school rap knowledge. I just figure i aint the only one who can't stand that casio drum machine ish...

[reddog271]

most likely you aren't old enough to remember when Rock the Bells first came out. You don't remember "The Break" as the song that was played 2 summers straight. If not... then that old stuff just isn't for you. I can respect that. For me though. The old early 80 to like 92 will always be the best time for hip hop. The time before each song had to have a hook. and still only 3 minutes long.

[DJ TEKNIK]

you like what you like.... does it truely bother you that you have an unpopular opinion


true...I grew up in the 90's music there was alot garbage Hip Hop but we also got alot of CLASSIC hip hop aswell..IMO 87,88,89 & 90 was the goat year for hip hop..

[dtjones]

Should I be forced to like old school rap music (pre 1994) just so my opinion is respected in here?
:king:

I don't think you should be forced to like anything, as long as you show respect like you did when explaining why then I think it's cool when you say they get credit for pioneering but I can't get into the music.

[Kingofkings]

You are to young and know 90 percent to little about hiphop

[Roxx the King]

I was born in '83. I fuxx with some of it like I said rakim (obviously ahead of his time) big daddy kane (jay-z blueprint) public enemy (fight the power was one of raps earliest anthems) but only the best and obvious stuff. The below ground stuff is beneath me (or simply over my head...no offense)

[reddog271]

I was born in '83. I fuxx with some of it like I said rakim (obviously ahead of his time) big daddy kane (jay-z blueprint) public enemy (fight the power was one of raps earliest anthems) but only the best and obvious stuff. The below ground stuff is beneath me (or simply over my head...no offense)


do you mind if I ask what you are listening to in your car now? what artist do you like most now days?

[BossBaller]

...people assume hold so much stock in ya old school rap knowledge....

No, people who lived during the Golden Era and whatnot just don't like for little snot-nosed punks to try to dictate to THEM what is or isn't "classic" or what is or isn't "good".

Not calling you a snot-nosed punk specifically, but 90% of SOHH are just that.

[dtjones]

I was born in '83. I fuxx with some of it like I said rakim (obviously ahead of his time) big daddy kane (jay-z blueprint) public enemy (fight the power was one of raps earliest anthems) but only the best and obvious stuff. The below ground stuff is beneath me (or simply over my head...no offense)

:laugh: I had no idea you were older then me.

[Roxx the King]

do you mind if I ask what you are listening to in your car now? what artist do you like most now days?

right now im playing:
American Ironman (the jay and ghost blend) which is crazy
Big Doe Rehab and 8 Diagrams mix I call "Wu Tang's CD"
My sh!t
Some Teknik and JH
Mad slow Jams

[Roxx the King]

:laugh: I had no idea you were older then me.

Im in Hampton, whats good VA???

[Roxx the King]

Nowadays I mess with the vets that are most reliable:

Em
Jay
Nas
Kanye (Dat Dude)
Fif (Mixtapes ie "Round here")
Ghost
Wu
My old school music (1994-2000)
Lupe

[dtjones]

Im in Hampton, whats good VA???

It's all good. I don't come across the water to that side much but I still show love.

[jayshiggs]

lyrics were actually better overall back then, subject matter was way more varied, the DJ was intrical to the genre give me scratching break w/ voice samples over some random singing any day, and the beats sounded more like instruments and not keyboards. I prefer the old sound but then again I was listening when it actually came out and not after the fact so that makes a big difference.

[Roxx the King]

It's all good. I don't come across the water to that side much but I still show love.

I was in the Beach forever and thought I'd come out here for more affordable living. Its not bad in Hampton but they don't call it Bad Newz for nothing....

[Roxx the King]

lyrics were actually better overall back then, subject matter was way more varied, the DJ was intrical to the genre give me scratching break w/ voice samples over some random singing any day, and the beats sounded more like instruments and not keyboards. I prefer the old sound but then again I was listening when it actually came out and not after the fact so that makes a big difference.

yea, in retrospect the beats sound garbage (ie in '88 it was probably like WHOA). I know its a technical thing with all the advancements nowadays, but for me they actually sound real "Casio" to me then, and recently a lot of beats have sounds that are computer generated but can sound live...

[the puppetmaster]

I don't think you have to like it at all. Times change and peoples ears change too. Respect to you for listening to it tho. A lotta niccas criticize music from that era and have proa'lly never heard any of it.


-P-

[Roxx the King]

I don't think you have to like it at all. Times change and peoples ears change too. Respect to you for listening to it tho. A lotta niccas criticize music from that era and have proa'lly never heard any of it.
-P-

When i hear some here make a strong reference to an old school track that im not at least vauguely familiar with, I hit the limewire and score it. Im often unimpressed tho so it makes it difficult to undersatnd the allure...

[Ed Blank]

There is some dope sht that was made before 1994. There is a buncha wack sht made post 1994. I don't know what the ratio of dope to wack sht is for any given year, but if I had to guess I would say it's remained fairly constant the whole time.

Don't sleep. Listen to the Old School channel on digi cable or satelite radio for a half an hour every so often and see if anything grabs you.

This is for your own benefit.

(The following is my opinion of your list as well as my Stan resume)

Nowadays I mess with the vets that are most reliable:
Em (meh)
Jay (*gives the hand signal for "aiight"*)
Nas (fire)
Kanye (Dat Dude) (meh)
Fif (Mixtapes ie "Round here") (wack)
Ghost (red-hot coals)
Wu (lava)
My old school music (1994-2000) (old?)
Lupe (meh)

I don't "listen" to anyone anymore now that I have the 'Pod (I just shuffle the 3K songs or if I am feeling like I need a boost I go to the 1200 four+ star joints, or if I really need to get amped I switch to the 250 five star joints).

Illest MCs:
Canibus
Immortal Tech
Lauryn
MF Doom
Killah Priest
Scarface
Cee Lo
Big Pun
Nas
Rage
Kurupt

Dope Sht:
Run DMC
Geto Boys
LL Cool J
ATCQ
Cube
Mobb
Wu
De La
Flip Mode
Def Squad
KRS
Refugee Camp
Onyx
Lox
DPG/213

[hustlemania]

Nowadays I mess with the vets that are most reliable:
Em
Jay
Nas
Kanye (Dat Dude)
Fif (Mixtapes ie "Round here")
Ghost
Wu
My old school music (1994-2000)
Lupe
how the fukk is Lupe, and Kanye "vets"..

[Slice-Twice]

compared to yester year, hip hip sucks to me now
Back in the day i remember a new artist breaking at least once a month, and they sounded completly different, voice and style from the previous break out artists...

now everyone is too busy trying to be something their not and not being themselves and thats why the artform is so 1-d right now

[Roxx the King]

Nowadays I mess with the vets that are most reliable:
Em
Jay
Nas
Kanye (Dat Dude thats 3 albums deep with arguable classics...)
Fif (Mixtapes ie "Round here")
Ghost
Wu
My old school music (1994-2000)


New School ninjas like:
Lupe

fixed

[hustlemania]

fixed
so a "vet"s now someone whos had a few albums since '04, and a couple of "classic" tracks now.. :laugh:

u kids never cease to amaze, with your stupidity... carry on

[Roxx the King]

so a "vet"s now someone who has a few albums, and a couple of "classic" tracks now.. :laugh:
u kids never cease to amaze, with your stupidity... carry on

well, in the army (which i am also a part of) even if you are in e-1 private and you got to Iraq your fisrt day outta boot camp, you will be a veteran the moment you step in the sand. My point: its safe to say that someone who has sold nearly ten million albums knows enough about the game to be considered somewhat of a veteran.

BTW, I'm not a kid. Do you get any satisfaction from getting on the internets (a young persons world) and thumbing your nose at the opinions of these "kids" you hang around online with all day. Thats like going to a bar and scolding the people for drinking. I simply don't like a lot of pre 1994 hip hop. Doesn't mean I wasn't there.

[danja29]

I can't relate, but I respect your right to an opinion. I would just say don't limit your scope to "if it came out before '94, I don't like it"... cause it's really not about years so much as it is the tracks themselves. There's stuff from say, '91 that sh*ts on a lotta later stuff. The production on NWA "Niqqaz4Life" is some of Dre's best stuff ever IMO.

I guess it's a generation thing, but I'm def. a big fan of the late 80s and early 90s- I think there's some stuff that's aged well and some that hasn't, just like in any era.

[Roxx the King]

I can't relate, but I respect your right to an opinion. I would just say don't limit your scope to "if it came out before '94, I don't like it"... cause it's really not about years so much as it is the tracks themselves. There's stuff from say, '91 that sh*ts on a lotta later stuff. The production on NWA "Niqqaz4Life" is some of Dre's best stuff ever IMO.
I guess it's a generation thing, but I'm def. a big fan of the late 80s and early 90s- I think there's some stuff that's aged well and some that hasn't, just like in any era.

Its not so much discrimination, as it is an observation. I'll give it all a chance (you not hip-hop if you dont give ish a chance) but I've just found I can't get into it.

i forgot about dre pre 94. I fuxx with all of that, btw....

[TurbulentMonk]

i sorta understand what the thread starter means. it's the whole "sound" and "delivery". 93/94 seems to be the turning point sound wise and i'm not always in the mood for that stuff plus i don't enjoy most of it either. Weird thing is that i love the NWA albums and Fear of a black planet (never listened to Nation of millions). tried the Beastie Boys and couldn't get into it. Rund DMC either. Big Daddy Kane either. of course there were a couple of tracks here and there that are just UNDENIABLE (Momma said knock you out, The Symphony, etc) but overall at times i just can't get with it. Just like i could never get into Prince's early music. It all sounds like cheap synths with wack drums to me. and i ackowledge my ignorance on this. There's probably a lot of music to this day that is still directly influenced by Prince, it's just that i can't get with it but i still respect it.

[TurbulentMonk]

when i think of the 80's/early 90's rap/hip hop music i think of cheap sounds and New Jack swing R&B. I know it's a stereotype but i can't help it.

[Roxx the King]

i sorta understand what the thread starter means. it's the whole "sound" and "delivery". 93/94 seems to be the turning point sound wise and i'm not always in the mood for that stuff plus i don't enjoy most of it either. Weird thing is that i love the NWA albums and Fear of a black planet (never listened to Nation of millions). tried the Beastie Boys and couldn't get into it. Rund DMC either. Big Daddy Kane either. of course there were a couple of tracks here and there that are just UNDENIABLE (Momma said knock you out, The Symphony, etc) but overall at times i just can't get with it. Just like i could never get into Prince's early music. It all sounds like cheap synths with wack drums to me. and i ackowledge my ignorance on this. There's probably a lot of music to this day that is still directly influenced by Prince, it's just that i can't get with it but i still respect it.

well put and my opinion exactly.

[Roxx the King]

when i think of the 80's/early 90's rap/hip hop music i think of cheap sounds and New Jack swing R&B. I know it's a stereotype but i can't help it.

im kinda with you on this one, too. its stereotypical, but true for the most part. The exceptional stuff that didn't sound like that is what I can apprreciate, but the majority IMO is weak.

[reddog271]

i sorta understand what the thread starter means. it's the whole "sound" and "delivery". 93/94 seems to be the turning point sound wise and i'm not always in the mood for that stuff plus i don't enjoy most of it either. Weird thing is that i love the NWA albums and Fear of a black planet (never listened to Nation of millions). tried the Beastie Boys and couldn't get into it. Rund DMC either. Big Daddy Kane either. of course there were a couple of tracks here and there that are just UNDENIABLE (Momma said knock you out, The Symphony, etc) but overall at times i just can't get with it. Just like i could never get into Prince's early music. It all sounds like cheap synths with wack drums to me. and i ackowledge my ignorance on this. There's probably a lot of music to this day that is still directly influenced by Prince, it's just that i can't get with it but i still respect it.


I almost feel bad for you. If you never just listened to Run DMC "Together, Forever" or Big Daddy Kane's Raw. hell, almost any big daddy kane. The difference from rap then and rap now to me is. Back in teh day it was about what the rapper was saying. Today its' about the beat. and that's why you have fake rappers selling millions. All you need is a good beat to be hot. Back then you had to have lyrical skills.

[danja29]

when i think of the 80's/early 90's rap/hip hop music i think of cheap sounds and New Jack swing R&B. I know it's a stereotype but i can't help it.

If you think of early 90s hip-hop and MC Brains comes to mind, then you're thinking of the wrong sh*t, lol. I think some of the most "popular" hits of the late 80s and early 90s would give someone that idea, but it def. goes deeper than that.

I guess it's one of those things where you had to be there...

As I said earlier, there's def. stuff from those times that didn't really age well. I can't listen to Lords Of The Underground or Digable Planets nowadays, but I can still listen to ATCQ or EPMD (ESPECIALLY EPMD). It's just a matter of timeless stuff as opposed to "for the moment" sh*t. I like a LOT of old school hip-hop, but I even know when people are just exaggerating, like when you go to a Real Roxanne video on Youtube and people on there talkin' about "classic! why isn't hip-hop like this anymore?"- I'm like "maaan, GTFOH". BUT I would never lump a Public Enemy or some Kool G Rap sh*t in there with that. I just think it's kinda a blanket statement to lump all of it in together, cause there's def. good and bad. It's like someone lookin' back at the mid-90s and saying "when I think of '94, I think about the Tootsee Roll record and Coolio"... which is def. a far cry from being the whole scope of what was going on.

Oh... and New Jack Swing is the sh*t, lol.

[Roxx the King]

lyrical skills were a necessity b/c the beats were no where. that i agree with. there was a focus on lyrics back then as someone else said, which everyone can appreciate these days... and he didnt say he didn't like the songs u mentioned, he just said the good he likes the bad he don't. i fuxx with BDK

[Roxx the King]

If you think of early 90s hip-hop and MC Brains comes to mind, then you're thinking of the wrong sh*t, lol. I think some of the most "popular" hits of the late 80s and early 90s would give someone that idea, but it def. goes deeper than that.
I guess it's one of those things where you had to be there...
As I said earlier, there's def. stuff from those times that didn't really age well. I can't listen to Lords Of The Underground or Digable Planets nowadays, but I can still listen to ATCQ or EPMD (ESPECIALLY EPMD). It's just a matter of timeless stuff as opposed to "for the moment" sh*t. I like a LOT of old school hip-hop, but I even know when people are just exaggerating, like when you go to a Real Roxanne video on Youtube and people on there talkin' about "classic! why isn't hip-hop like this anymore?"- I'm like "maaan, GTFOH". BUT I would never lump a Public Enemy or some Kool G Rap sh*t in there with that. I just think it's kinda a blanket statement to lump all of it in together, cause there's def. good and bad.
Oh... and New Jack Swing is the sh*t, lol.

Kool G Rap is that dude

New jack Swing was that ish (Teddy Riley, VA whats good???)

[rapbeats]

not really, but it feels like a dirty secret when you argue hip hop all day b/c people assume hold so much stock in ya old school rap knowledge. I just figure i aint the only one who can't stand that casio drum machine ish...
that casio drum machine.... is back Soulja Boy.

and now it sounds horrible. at least back then they had an excuse. they didn't have anything else.
but to say you didn't like 90% of pre 94 is crazy. i highly doubt that is the case. because its not like hiphop's sound changed so drastically in the year 94, that it was totally different then 93, 92, etc. so to me, this sounds like a reach. sure you may have not liked the early 80's stuff. but what you're saying doesn't make any real sense. if you said, "i wasn't feeling hiphop until 98. then that would be different. things changed a lot between 98 and the early 90's.

but again you admitted to being really young. so i dont hold it against you. i mean I'm not the biggest fan of Afrika Bambaataa. because i was to young to appreciate that sound. sure it was good for breaking and popping but that was about it TO ME at that young age.

[Roxx the King]

that casio drum machine.... is back Soulja Boy.

and now it sounds horrible. at least back then they had an excuse. they didn't have anything else.
but to say you didn't like 90% of pre 94 is crazy. i highly doubt that is the case. because its not like hiphop's sound changed so drastically in the year 94, that it was totally different then 93, 92, etc. so to me, this sounds like a reach. sure you may have not liked the early 80's stuff. but what you're saying doesn't make any real sense. if you said, "i wasn't feeling hiphop until 98. then that would be different. things changed a lot between 98 and the early 90's.

but again you admitted to being really young. so i dont hold it against you. i mean I'm not the biggest fan of Afrika Bambaataa. because i was to young to appreciate that sound. sure it was good for breaking and popping but that was about it TO ME at that young age.

whats young? im 24. And you have a point, i guess i should say i wasn't feeling hip hop until 94 but i didn't know it existed until then so it wouldnt be accurate....

[Roxx the King]

that casio drum machine.... is back Soulja Boy.

and now it sounds horrible. at least back then they had an excuse. they didn't have anything else.

great point. lol (no sarcasm, i mean it)

[reddog271]

thow in some of these old tracks

The original Rock the Bells... or Breakthrough.... LL cool J
Bring the Noise or Louder then a Bomb... Public enemy
Raw, Set it off, Warm if Kane... Big daddy Kane
As the Rhyme goes one, Microphone Fiend... Rakim


listen to a couple of those tracks. and see what you think.

[TurbulentMonk]

If you think of early 90s hip-hop and MC Brains comes to mind, then you're thinking of the wrong sh*t, lol. I think some of the most "popular" hits of the late 80s and early 90s would give someone that idea, but it def. goes deeper than that.
I guess it's one of those things where you had to be there...
As I said earlier, there's def. stuff from those times that didn't really age well. I can't listen to Lords Of The Underground or Digable Planets nowadays, but I can still listen to ATCQ or EPMD (ESPECIALLY EPMD). It's just a matter of timeless stuff as opposed to "for the moment" sh*t. I like a LOT of old school hip-hop, but I even know when people are just exaggerating, like when you go to a Real Roxanne video on Youtube and people on there talkin' about "classic! why isn't hip-hop like this anymore?"- I'm like "maaan, GTFOH". BUT I would never lump a Public Enemy or some Kool G Rap sh*t in there with that. I just think it's kinda a blanket statement to lump all of it in together, cause there's def. good and bad. It's like someone lookin' back at the mid-90s and saying "when I think of '94, I think about the Tootsee Roll record and Coolio"... which is def. a far cry from being the whole scope of what was going on.
Oh... and New Jack Swing is the sh*t, lol.and you know what? if people were saying they didn't feel a lot of music from around 94 i would probably feel the same way you feel now but in a sense i would understand cause it's the same thing. like i said, i recognize it's a stereotype. my cousin for example can't **** with early 90's stuff. Made him listen to The Chronic, made him listen to Doggystyle and 36 Chambers and he just couldn't get into it. sorta told me he doesn't like the sound. And Yet he loves Southernplayalisticadilacmusic, Illmatic and Ready To Die, go figure. it's sorta the same thing with me but with an earlier era. and i admit my stereotype was a little extreme but that's really the first things that pop into mind when i think of the 80s eventhough i'm very aware that there was some good and some bad.

[Roxx the King]

thow in some of these old tracks
The original Rock the Bells... or Breakthrough.... LL cool J
Bring the Noise or Louder then a Bomb... Public enemy
Raw, Set it off, Warm if Kane... Big daddy Kane
As the Rhyme goes one, Microphone Fiend... Rakim
listen to a couple of those tracks. and see what you think.

ill peep those, but they are part of that 10 percent i mentioned intially. Somebody tell me who the Jedi mind Tricks of 1990 was. Or the Joe Budden of 88?

Ill post my opinion of those later if the thread is still poppin when im home.

[Roxx the King]

and you know what? if people were saying they didn't feel a lot of music from around 94 i would probably feel the same way you feel now but in a sense i would understand cause it's the same thing. like i said, i recognize it's a stereotype. my cousin for example can't **** with early 90's stuff. Made him listen to The Chronic, made him listen to Doggystyle and 36 Chambers and he just couldn't get into it. sorta told me he doesn't like the sound. And Yet he loves Southernplayalisticadilacmusic, Illmatic and Ready To Die, go figure. it's sorta the same thing with me but with an earlier era. and i admit my stereotype was a little extreme but that's really the first things that pop into mind when i think of the 80s eventhough i'm very aware that there was some good and some bad.

somethin happened in 94 that we aren't considering. Where the old heads at that aren't too busy thinking they sh!t don't think and can give us some insight? I was 11 back then so I dint know what was going on for real, but something changed in 94 and the music got exponentially better for like the next 4 or 5 years....

[Roxx the King]

"Not the Beef Zone!!!" the crowd moans in unison..

[DJ TEKNIK]

lol at this moved to beef zone...haha

[TurbulentMonk]

somethin happened in 94 that we aren't considering. Where the old heads at that aren't too busy thinking they sh!t don't think and can give us some insight? I was 11 back then so I dint know what was going on for real, but something changed in 94 and the music got exponentially better for like the next 4 or 5 years....yeah i can't prove it but i gotta agree. maybe not "better" persay but the music shifted definetly. i think the beats became significantly more melodic and something happened in the flows/deliveries aswell. something like the flows seemed to be more "perfectly on beat" in the 80s. not well explained but i think y'all know what i mean.

[hustlemania]

well, in the army (which i am also a part of) even if you are in e-1 private and you got to Iraq your fisrt day outta boot camp, you will be a veteran the moment you step in the sand. My point: its safe to say that someone who has sold nearly ten million albums knows enough about the game to be considered somewhat of a veteran.
:blink: did you just equate going to war, with selling records... :laugh:
BTW, I'm not a kid. Do you get any satisfaction from getting on the internets (a young persons world) and thumbing your nose at the opinions of these "kids" you hang around online with all day. Thats like going to a bar and scolding the people for drinking. I simply don't like a lot of pre 1994 hip hop. Doesn't mean I wasn't there.
:blink: hold on.. did you just parallel a sober person who watches people drink, to "thumbing my nose down" to younger folks musical opinions? :laugh:

look.. imo- you made a comment, only a shallow kid would make in reference to what you considerd a "vet" in hip-hop. you then went on to make a completely ridiculous reference to being at war, or some shat.. yeah. look. just because you sold alot of records, does not make you a veteran you dumbazz. nor does stepping in some sand for the first time. actually, if you think your "stepping in sand" reference was so on point, go to a VFW and tell them veterans your theory. :dry: bottom line. Kanyes not a "vet". and selling records, doesnt make you a "vet". putting in time, makes you a veteran..

with that said.. peace, and make it home safe.

[gyno]

90s>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>now

[phatphuck]

it's alright if you dont LIKE it, but i think you have to APPRECIATE it

the best thing about hip hop up to the mid 90s is the energy and vibe of it. back then rap music makes you wanna get up and beat the **** outta something, or at least you could nod ya head to it

nowadays most of the **** sounds so "polished" and half the MCs mumble about **** and call it an album, it puts me to sleep :dry::dry: