why do niccaz VASTLY overrate BIG?

[intilectual recipricol]

really? The nicca was dope................for 2 albums.

I can really think of 10 off the top better.....and more productive....
no, nars is NOT one of them, sorry stanleys.

So when I see threads like "Jay Z can never be the artist BIG was" or something stupid like that im like :laugh: because he passed the nicca about half a decade ago...

new niccaz done came in and dropped consecutive classics
other old heads just been crankin out the quality real isht for over a decade

so in the grand scheme of things BIG is what Reggie Lewis was to the Celtics... yall tryin to make him Bird or even worse... Mike. Reggie Lewis niccaz, Reggie Lewis.

No I dont care that "he brought the east back" that holds no weight with 99% of the country.

[jayshiggs]

Jigga could never be the artist BIG was becuase he bit his entire steez from him. If there was no BIG there would be no Jigga.

[Asante1010]

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[Sunzoo aka LC]

Jigga could never be the artist BIG was becuase he bit his entire steez from him. If there was no BIG there would be no Jigga.

da fucck outta here man...jay was a BETTER RAPPER/LYRICIST THEN, even biggie said that jay made him nervous in the booth...i like how n1ggas like to re-write history

jay's debut came out a year before biggie died...safe to say that as an emccee he was already pretty damn good at what he was doing, wether or not big was around...the only reason why big blew up before jay was because biggies delivery was FLAWLESS, jay had better lyrics and flows even then, but his voice was his weakest point

and n1ggas overrate big for nostalgic or east coast up north dicckriderdom...i love dude, RTD is the first album i bought with my own money, but he's not top 10...and he's not even in the same arena as 2pac, had they never battled, they wouldnt even be mentioned together..and even with his career cut short, he's one of the greatest...but you got cats calling him top 5 just because they miss him that much...not acceptable, but understandable

[jayshiggs]

da fucck outta here man...jay was a BETTER RAPPER/LYRICIST THEN, even biggie said that jay made him nervous in the booth...i like how n1ggas like to re-write history

jay's debut came out a year before biggie died...safe to say that as an emccee he was already pretty damn good at what he was doing, wether or not big was around...the only reason why big blew up before jay was because biggies delivery was FLAWLESS, jay had better lyrics and flows even then, but his voice was his weakest point

and n1ggas overrate big for nostalgic or east coast up north dicckriderdom...i love dude, RTD is the first album i bought with my own money, but he's not top 10...and he's not even in the same arena as 2pac, had they never battled, they wouldnt even be mentioned together..and even with his career cut short, he's one of the greatest...but you got cats calling him top 5 just because they miss him that much...not acceptable, but understandable
Voice counts while MCing my man. What I'm saying is Jigga is just an unoriginal biter. He graphs his whole steez from other ninjas and blantantly. Yes, wordsmith wise he is good but he has no originality.
I don't have either one in my top 10 so I'm not even sticking up for BIG but when people want to mention Jigga as better I got to check them cause he bit a lot of his style from dude. Thematically what is the difference between BIG and Jigga?! Jigga is like modeling his life after the guy. It's pretty disgusting actually.

[RevolUniek]

really? The nicca was dope................for 2 albums.
I can really think of 10 off the top better.....and more productive....
no, nars is NOT one of them, sorry stanleys.
So when I see threads like "Jay Z can never be the artist BIG was" or something stupid like that im like :laugh: because he passed the nicca about half a decade ago...
new niccaz done came in and dropped consecutive classics
other old heads just been crankin out the quality real isht for over a decade
so in the grand scheme of things BIG is what Reggie Lewis was to the Celtics... yall tryin to make him Bird or even worse... Mike. Reggie Lewis niccaz, Reggie Lewis.
No I dont care that "he brought the east back" that holds no weight with 99% of the country.
That's what I'm saying...

[The Real QueenBee]

Probably because he was successful in mainstream, but was still making songs for the streets and he wasnt dumbing down his lyrics..........sh1t i dont know

[Sunzoo aka LC]

Voice counts while MCing my man. What I'm saying is Jigga is just an unoriginal biter. He graphs his whole steez from other ninjas and blantantly. Yes, wordsmith wise he is good but he has no originality.
I don't have either one in my top 10 so I'm not even sticking up for BIG but when people want to mention Jigga as better I got to check them cause he bit a lot of his style from dude. Thematically what is the difference between BIG and Jigga?! Jigga is like modeling his life after the guy. It's pretty disgusting actually.


how is jay an unorigonal biter and modeling his life after BIG? you do realize that biggie was a corner boy right? jay-z already had his style when big got on homie, BDK, and jaz-o influenced jiggas style, not biggie, dude was the LAST one of the known NY emcees of that timeframe to really pick up a mic, from busta, to jay, to az...biggie was a the young n1gga, wasnt nobody biting off of him...and honestly biggie was biting off pac and the whole west coast, it goes both ways

jay has never tried to sound like big...talked about many more subjects and concepts in depth than big even on his first two albums, you're making no sense....and you talking about checking somebody? please explain

[jayshiggs]

how is jay an unorigonal biter and modeling his life after BIG? you do realize that biggie was a corner boy right? jay-z already had his style when big got on homie, BDK, and jaz-o influenced jiggas style, not biggie, dude was the LAST one of the known NY emcees of that timeframe to really pick up a mic, from busta, to jay, to az...biggie was a the young n1gga, wasnt nobody biting off of him...and honestly biggie was biting off pac and the whole west coast, it goes both ways
jay has never tried to sound like big...talked about many more subjects and concepts in depth than big even on his first two albums, you're making no sense....and you talking about checking somebody? please explain

Uh no he rhymed like the Fu-Shnickens and rhymed about nothing in particular before BIG got on and then all of a sudden like changed to a much slower flow and always rhyming about hustler tales. Jigg'a first LP didn't drop unitl like 2 years after RTD. If biting lines of his throughout his career isn't trying to sound like someone what is?

[QHefner]

big is cool I like his first album but I don't consider it classic and I don't think big is top 15. he's good but overated big time..

as far as jay he did get a lot of his style from big. peep after rd your boy jig was in shiney suits and all that ****. jay is just as overated imo...

[Sunzoo aka LC]

you're reaching fam...seriously, and biggie had NO content as an emcee, b1tches, coke and guns..jay-z went into much more depth and had much more intricate flows than big had even then dog, you're reaching something serious

and "biting" lines...N1GGA BIGGIE BIT LINES TOO, i guess since biggie was fat, and he bit marky d's sh1t, he's an unorigonal whatever whattever...where the hell are you from? and jay and big knew eachother...as many n1ggas who bite biggie lines (especially since big was a biter himself) jay should be the one who can do it without penalty (cam had a sh1tload of bitten rhymes from biggie and others, jay included) because they were actually friends before he died

just face it man...jay was already a superior lyricist, if even big himself was telling cats that jay made him nervous...and jay has obviously improved since then so................

bigs opinion > yours...and to big, jay was ill as fucck, and he needed no help or kinda co-sign from big to get on, it would have happened regardless, pac and big dying just sped up the process

[Sunzoo aka LC]

big is cool I like his first album but I don't consider it classic and I don't think big is top 15. he's good but overated big time..
as far as jay he did get a lot of his style from big. peep after rd your boy jig was in shiney suits and all that ****. jay is just as overated imo...

shiney suits? SHINEY SUITS? when did biggie....or even jay for that matter wear shiney suits? you n1ggas talk more out of your ass than you do your mouths

are you talking about the sunshine video? or just suits period? as if biggie was the first rapper to put one on...and like i said, how do you BITE A BITER? RTD was purposly made to be a west coast knock off, big blatently bit 2pac's flow on certain song and his whole type of depressed/death around the corner bit and ran with it (truth be told, had puffy not picked him up, he might have ended up in the outlawz)

then the wu got on big for biting some of they sh1t...all this origonal yada yadda aint adding up guys, keep trying tho, just trying to know a little history first

[AskariSTL//So]

Biggie's delivery, his flow, is above and beyond where most rappers at even when they try hard. Name another cat that sounds like Big, even his voice and inflections were so unique, that when another dude tries to bite it, you will hear it right away. Big part of being an MC right there, waaaay more important than lyrical content, there are many good lyricists, who have NO FLOWS AT ALL.

Thats why Big gets so much love I think, overrated yeah. But you can see why is all Im saying. Big mastered one of the most key aspects of MC'ing, aside from legends like Kane, or Slick Rick, few rappers manage to develop a truly unique style and method of delivery. Even in freestyles, Big is just deadly in that aspect...

[Sunzoo aka LC]

Biggie's delivery, his flow, is above and beyond where most rappers at even when they try hard. Name another cat that sounds like Big, even his voice and inflections were so unique, that when another dude tries to bite it, you will hear it right away. Big part of being an MC right there, waaaay more important than lyrical content, there are many good lyricists, who have NO FLOWS AT ALL.
Thats why Big gets so much love I think, overrated yeah. But you can see why is all Im saying. Big mastered one of the most key aspects of MC'ing, aside from legends like Kane, or Slick Rick, few rappers manage to develop a truly unique style and method of delivery. Even in freestyles, Big is just deadly in that aspect...

church...lyrcially he was above average but thats about it, his delivery and cadence put him over the fuccking top

[QHefner]

shiney suits? SHINEY SUITS? when did biggie....or even jay for that matter wear shiney suits? you n1ggas talk more out of your ass than you do your mouths

are you talking about the sunshine video? or just suits period? as if biggie was the first rapper to put one on...and like i said, how do you BITE A BITER? RTD was purposly made to be a west coast knock off, big blatently bit 2pac's flow on certain song and his whole type of depressed/death around the corner bit and ran with it (truth be told, had puffy not picked him up, he might have ended up in the outlawz)

then the wu got on big for biting some of they sh1t...all this origonal yada yadda aint adding up guys, keep trying tho, just trying to know a little history first

lol ur trying. jay is a cat that does whatevers hot look at his history. fast rap, slow flow, west coast style, southern flow. he's one of the most overated dudes. u say look at his content up until blueprint all he rapped about was hustlin and hoes am I wrong?

[Sunzoo aka LC]

lol ur trying. jay is a cat that does whatevers hot look at his history. fast rap, slow flow, west coast style, southern flow. he's one of the most overated dudes. u say look at his content up until blueprint all he rapped about was hustlin and hoes am I wrong?

for one, jaz-o is a pioneer of that tripple time rap sh1t on the east coast...and who was his protege? and if he' just "does whatevers hot" he does whatever is hot better than any n1gga i've ever seen to date

yall n1ggas are still reaching man....try harder, and to say that his music was all about hustlin and hoes is fuccking retarded, those subjects were backdrops for all kinds of themes, you must love me is not your empty hustlers anthem, neither is lucky me, 22 twos, d'evils is even based on something deeper than just getting it in on the block...try harder man

n1ggas cant even make up their mind

[jayshiggs]

you're reaching fam...seriously, and biggie had NO content as an emcee, b1tches, coke and guns..jay-z went into much more depth and had much more intricate flows than big had even then dog, you're reaching something serious

and "biting" lines...N1GGA BIGGIE BIT LINES TOO, i guess since biggie was fat, and he bit marky d's sh1t, he's an unorigonal whatever whattever...where the hell are you from? and jay and big knew eachother...as many n1ggas who bite biggie lines (especially since big was a biter himself) jay should be the one who can do it without penalty (cam had a sh1tload of bitten rhymes from biggie and others, jay included) because they were actually friends before he died

just face it man...jay was already a superior lyricist, if even big himself was telling cats that jay made him nervous...and jay has obviously improved since then so................

bigs opinion > yours...and to big, jay was ill as fucck, and he needed no help or kinda co-sign from big to get on, it would have happened regardless, pac and big dying just sped up the process
Na, Puff should be the one who can bite BIG w/out repercussion he doesn't even claim real MC status and I don't care how tight Jay claims he and BIG were BIG and Puff were tighter and he doesn't even take it there as far as biting.
And really Jay isn't some deep subject matter cat either no matter if you claim it or not.
How was he already superior? He dropped AFTER BIG, not before. And Jigga got on the biting BIG after dude passed so he regressed not got better as far as I'm concerned.

[Vincenzo_Corleone]

then the wu got on big for biting some of they sh1t...all this origonal yada yadda aint adding up guys, keep trying tho, just trying to know a little history first

Euhm, nobody is saying that BIG was the most original dude on the planet here - people are just saying that Jay isn't original BECAUSE he changed his style up out of the blue, and BECAUSE he was considered a lightweight Biggie before BIG died.

And how the hell can you say that Jay never wore shiney suits - and THEN bring up Sunshine?

[Romesone]

LOL @ this kid trying to give history lessons when he bought his first rap album in '94.

[QHefner]

for one, jaz-o is a pioneer of that tripple time rap sh1t on the east coast...and who was his protege? and if he' just "does whatevers hot" he does whatever is hot better than any n1gga i've ever seen to date
yall n1ggas are still reaching man....try harder, and to say that his music was all about hustlin and hoes is fuccking retarded, those subjects were backdrops for all kinds of themes, you must love me is not your empty hustlers anthem, neither is lucky me, 22 twos, d'evils is even based on something deeper than just getting it in on the block...try harder man
n1ggas cant even make up their mind

u named 3 songs and u call that versatile? he's overated duke and he does whats hot and im not knocking him but where's he's originality at?

[jayshiggs]

LOL @ this kid trying to give history lessons when he bought his first rap album in '94.

lol I was gonna go there but I let it slide, at least he analyzes shyt.

[Romesone]

lol I was gonna go there but I let it slide, at least he analyzes shyt.
ehh.. i guess..

*gives this niqqa a cookie for trying*


Whaddup Shiggs?? Merry X-mas bruh !!

[Sunzoo aka LC]

Na, Puff should be the one who can bite BIG w/out repercussion he doesn't even claim real MC status and I don't care how tight Jay claims he and BIG were BIG and Puff were tighter and he doesn't even take it there as far as biting.
And really Jay isn't some deep subject matter cat either no matter if you claim it or not.
How was he already superior? He dropped AFTER BIG, not before. And Jigga got on the biting BIG after dude passed so he regressed not got better as far as I'm concerned.


for one...puffy is not a rapper, he does not WRITE IS OWN RAPS, NOR PRODUCE THE MAJORITY OF HIS OWN BEATS..period

and i never said that big was as cool with jay as he was with puffy (even tho it's common knowledge that biggie knew puff was screwing him money was and was not all that pleased with his label), who cares about that...thats neither here nor there

and jay has always had a much more diverse subject matter than biggie, from the jump...biggie was coke, guns and b1tches, jay has been talking about a number of things since the begining of his career even if they are done with "hustling" as the back drop...and as his career as progressed, he's even expanded that content even more, wether or not it's "deep" is for you to decide, but it is diverse

and he was already a superior lyricist because he had been around much longer than biggie...when they went to school together (please dont take this as me saying they were childhood friends, they werent...just for the retards like JRS one), jay-z was the king of the school RAP WISE, he was a local celeb when it came to rap sh1t, he was rapping before big even wanted to rap homie, thats why he was already superior and more versatile flow wise (slow/fast, either way it was fluid)

just because biggie dropped his album first, does not mean he was around longer, jay been rapping since the late 80's, didnt get anywhere with jaz, went back to selling dope and put rap to the back burner until they had enough money to get serious with it and start their own label

biggie was 3 years younger than jay...and admited in his prime that he was SHOOK of dude...why is that? and if you consider jay a better artist NOW, then whats the verdict? and like i said...how do you bite a biter? jay and biggie were REAL FRIENDS, therfor...if puffy and biggies family have no problem with him twisting his lines here and there, lines that are WIDELY KNOWN TO BE HIS, then why do you have a problem?

are you really trying to suggest that any real hip hop head worth their salt cant tell an obvious biggie line when they hear one?

are you trying to suggest that for ever "bitten" biggie line that jay has ever said...that he doesnt have about 10x the ammount of his own sick origonal lines and quotes that blow them out of the water? he's clearly not using biggies lines out of necessity, he's doing it out of respect for his fallen friend so that the new generations of fans dont forget

try some more

[Boxtones]

you all bite jay's dikk too hard on this site

if it wasn't for BIG's co-sign jay wouldn't be as large today

and if it wasn't for big's death, jay would be equal to Lil cease

[_free]

for one...puffy is not a rapper, he does not WRITE IS OWN RAPS, NOR PRODUCE THE MAJORITY OF HIS OWN BEATS..period
and i never said that big was as cool with jay as he was with puffy (even tho it's common knowledge that biggie knew puff was screwing him money was and was not all that pleased with his label), who cares about that...thats neither here nor there
and jay has always had a much more diverse subject matter than biggie, from the jump...biggie was coke, guns and b1tches, jay has been talking about a number of things since the begining of his career even if they are done with "hustling" as the back drop...and as his career as progressed, he's even expanded that content even more, wether or not it's "deep" is for you to decide, but it is diverse
and he was already a superior lyricist because he had been around much longer than biggie...when they went to school together (please dont take this as me saying they were childhood friends, they werent...just for the retards like JRS one), jay-z was the king of the school RAP WISE, he was a local celeb when it came to rap sh1t, he was rapping before big even wanted to rap homie, thats why he was already superior and more versatile flow wise (slow/fast, either way it was fluid)
just because biggie dropped his album first, does not mean he was around longer, jay been rapping since the late 80's, didnt get anywhere with jaz, went back to selling dope and put rap to the back burner until they had enough money to get serious with it and start their own label
biggie was 3 years younger than jay...and admited in his prime that he was SHOOK of dude...why is that? and if you consider jay a better artist NOW, then whats the verdict? and like i said...how do you bite a biter? jay and biggie were REAL FRIENDS, therfor...if puffy and biggies family have no problem with him twisting his lines here and there, lines that are WIDELY KNOWN TO BE HIS, then why do you have a problem?
are you really trying to suggest that any real hip hop head worth their salt cant tell an obvious biggie line when they hear one?
are you trying to suggest that for ever "bitten" biggie line that jay has ever said...that he doesnt have about 10x the ammount of his own sick origonal lines and quotes that blow them out of the water? he's clearly not using biggies lines out of necessity, he's doing it out of respect for his fallen friend so that the new generations of fans dont forget
try some more



I don't give a f*ck what puff or bigs fam think, they ain't invent hip hop, biting is wack, you lose points for it no matter what jays managed to fool you into thinkin, take that d!ck out ya mouth, you might be able to think clearer then

[Romesone]

:laugh:

just cuz you type a lot don't make you right

[Sunzoo aka LC]

LOL @ this kid trying to give history lessons when he bought his first rap album in '94.

for one, i said bought with my own money...that does not mean that that was my first rap album, that was the first CD that i went into a store and paid for homie...before that i stole tapes and listened to what albums my peers had around, i been "listening" to hip hop since 88, calling me a fuccking kid tho? i'm a grown ass man dawg

Euhm, nobody is saying that BIG was the most original dude on the planet here - people are just saying that Jay isn't original BECAUSE he changed his style up out of the blue, and BECAUSE he was considered a lightweight Biggie before BIG died.

And how the hell can you say that Jay never wore shiney suits - and THEN bring up Sunshine?

well...big never wore shiney suits either homie, that was mase and puffy...after big died, and if i'm not mistaken sunshine had been come out and flopped before mo money mo problems, and who cares if he changed up his style out of nowhere? what does that have to do with anything? the n1gga had a million different flows before he even had a record deal....why does him changing his style directly have to be intertwined with biggie? where is the direct correlation between the two?

and like i said, his first studio album came out a year before biggie died...what was he supposed to be considered? people kill me with this jay was irrelevant when big was around, as if n1ggas were sitting around like "pac was irrelevant when cube was popping"....it dont work like that man, jay is no less origonal than biggie or any other emcee that aint from the 80's, or not named ghostface for that matter

reeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaachhhhhhhhhhiiinnnnnng

u named 3 songs and u call that versatile? he's overated duke and he does whats hot and im not knocking him but where's he's originality at?

da fucck am i supposed to go thru his whole catalog and list every song? you clearly skimmed thru the first half of his career or you just didnt listen at all...is anybody calling rza unorigonal going from "we love you rakeem" to chinese checkers?

where is the UNORIGONALITY at? you tell me homie...cuz i never heard anybody with that versitile of a flow or that good of wordplay combined into one

[jayshiggs]

ehh.. i guess..
*gives this niqqa a cookie for trying*
Whaddup Shiggs?? Merry X-mas bruh !!

No doubt, likewise my man. OGs in the building.

[Sunzoo aka LC]

I don't give a f*ck what puff or bigs fam think, they ain't invent hip hop, biting is wack, you lose points for it no matter what jays managed to fool you into thinkin, take that d!ck out ya mouth, you might be able to think clearer then

for one homie, if you have an opinon express it without the disrespect, miss me with that...and jay didnt fool me into thinking anything, nobody was screaming that biting sh1t when snoop dogg was re-doing whole slick rick songs my nigg...n1ggas act as if twisting lines was born in 96 when RD came out...

jay twisting well known biggie lines is his way of paying respect...to say otherwise, would be saying that jay NEEDED BIGGIES RHYMES....if you truely believe that jay ever NEEDED a biggie line to make a rhyme sick, then you need to not even address me any longer because you intelligence is beneath mine...is that what you saying?

[jayshiggs]

for one...puffy is not a rapper, he does not WRITE IS OWN RAPS, NOR PRODUCE THE MAJORITY OF HIS OWN BEATS..period
and i never said that big was as cool with jay as he was with puffy (even tho it's common knowledge that biggie knew puff was screwing him money was and was not all that pleased with his label), who cares about that...thats neither here nor there
and jay has always had a much more diverse subject matter than biggie, from the jump...biggie was coke, guns and b1tches, jay has been talking about a number of things since the begining of his career even if they are done with "hustling" as the back drop...and as his career as progressed, he's even expanded that content even more, wether or not it's "deep" is for you to decide, but it is diverse
and he was already a superior lyricist because he had been around much longer than biggie...when they went to school together (please dont take this as me saying they were childhood friends, they werent...just for the retards like JRS one), jay-z was the king of the school RAP WISE, he was a local celeb when it came to rap sh1t, he was rapping before big even wanted to rap homie, thats why he was already superior and more versatile flow wise (slow/fast, either way it was fluid)
just because biggie dropped his album first, does not mean he was around longer, jay been rapping since the late 80's, didnt get anywhere with jaz, went back to selling dope and put rap to the back burner until they had enough money to get serious with it and start their own label
biggie was 3 years younger than jay...and admited in his prime that he was SHOOK of dude...why is that? and if you consider jay a better artist NOW, then whats the verdict? and like i said...how do you bite a biter? jay and biggie were REAL FRIENDS, therfor...if puffy and biggies family have no problem with him twisting his lines here and there, lines that are WIDELY KNOWN TO BE HIS, then why do you have a problem?
are you really trying to suggest that any real hip hop head worth their salt cant tell an obvious biggie line when they hear one?
are you trying to suggest that for ever "bitten" biggie line that jay has ever said...that he doesnt have about 10x the ammount of his own sick origonal lines and quotes that blow them out of the water? he's clearly not using biggies lines out of necessity, he's doing it out of respect for his fallen friend so that the new generations of fans dont forget
try some more

You admitted you bought yer first LP in 94' I bought mine in 85'. Stop with the history lessons. I know each's history well.
You act like BIG saying he feared dude means something to me, it's doesn't. They are both dope but neither is some entity I should weigh their words heavy like that. Who cares that Jigga was the only guy BIG SAID he feared. There were guys out at the time I thought were better than BIG and Jigga wasn't one of them.
And I don't have a problem with dude biting BIG lines, just saying he doesn't get cool points for it. He can do what he wants, I don't have to like it though. Using other material previous to you is not original that's just the facts as far as what 'originality' means.
Yes, and I'm also telling you dude used so many BIG lines it is hard to keep track. His paying homage reason doesn't wash. He uses obscure shyt. Also he has bitten Snoop a lot as well, why was he paying homage to him?! lol

[intilectual recipricol]

lets be real here... not fake.
So now Jay has no "originality" but BIG does? GTFOH...
So Jay "bit" BIG for 10 albums, while BIG only has two... thats a lot of biting to stretch two albums into 10... Jay has probably 11X's the "original sh!t" that BIG has. Like I said, BIG was dope for TWO ALBUMS with ZERO originality... based upon that he's lower than Lupe. If BIG had not died Jay would still be Jay, goin toe to toe w/ BI on songs, IMO outdoing the Bad Italian Gangster.

BIG was nice, no denying. He was a beast. Other niccaz been beasting longer. Andre 3000 is leapyears ahead of dude. Hell, Big Boi too. Those niccaz MURDER tracks.

Its about time we put BI in his proper context. The fact that Pac called the nicca out made him larger than life... the same reason the big rappers now ignore the little guys when they diss em. Not that BIG was a little rapper when Pac was at him, but it certainly made BIG's legacy WAY LARGER and important than it ever shouldve been.

[jayshiggs]

you all bite jay's dikk too hard on this site
if it wasn't for BIG's co-sign jay wouldn't be as large today
and if it wasn't for big's death, jay would be equal to Lil cease

That's real talk right there. Jay even made a conscious effort to take BIG's spot after he passed. Like 'look at me I'm a half way decent replacement! I'm from BK, rhyme about hustling, do songs w/ Lil' Kim and them, got a dancing sidekick I'm the new version!'

[Romesone]

lets be real here... not fake.
So now Jay has no "originality" but BIG does? GTFOH...
So Jay "bit" BIG for 10 albums, while BIG only has two... thats a lot of biting to stretch two albums into 10... Jay has probably 11X's the "original sh!t" that BIG has. Like I said, BIG was dope for TWO ALBUMS with ZERO originality... based upon that he's lower than Lupe. If BIG had not died Jay would still be Jay, goin toe to toe w/ BI on songs, IMO outdoing the Bad Italian Gangster.
BIG was nice, no denying. He was a beast. Other niccaz been beasting longer. Andre 3000 is leapyears ahead of dude. Hell, Big Boi too. Those niccaz MURDER tracks.
Its about time we put BI in his proper context. The fact that Pac called the nicca out made him larger than life... the same reason the big rappers now ignore the little guys when they diss em. Not that BIG was a little rapper when Pac was at him, but it certainly made BIG's legacy WAY LARGER and important than it ever shouldve been.
Leave Pac out of this. BIG was huge before any of the Pac beef. Every song he made was a hit. Homey was truly batting 1000.

[_free]

for one homie, if you have an opinon express it without the disrespect, miss me with that...and jay didnt fool me into thinking anything, nobody was screaming that biting sh1t when snoop dogg was re-doing whole slick rick songs my nigg...n1ggas act as if twisting lines was born in 96 when RD came out...
jay twisting well known biggie lines is his way of paying respect...to say otherwise, would be saying that jay NEEDED BIGGIES RHYMES....if you truely believe that jay ever NEEDED a biggie line to make a rhyme sick, then you need to not even address me any longer because you intelligence is beneath mine...is that what you saying?


true but aint nobody tryna call snoop GOAT or making him out to be better than he is, he made a dope song but lost points for redoing someone else's shyt, jay aint need biggies rhymes, RD is dope, but he still went on to use biggies rhymes = loss of points x being a pathological biter = not being in the GOAT discussion or deserving anywhere near the degree of stannery he gets

[AskariSTL//So]

LOL @ this turning into a Biggie vs. Jay-Z thread, I guess I should have seen that coming... all we need is for some fool to bring up Nas and we got ourselves a thread

And reciprocal you ride for 2Pac as hard as anyone I have ever seen on this site... its like you cant make a Biggie thread without bringing up 2pac. Biggie was/is a legend stand alone, dont act like 2Pac is responsible for his status, he was blowing up on his first album long before that nonsense with you know who got started...

[intilectual recipricol]

LOL @ this turning into a Biggie vs. Jay-Z thread, I guess I should have seen that coming... all we need is for some fool to bring up Nas and we got ourselves a thread
And reciprocal you ride for 2Pac as hard as anyone I have ever seen on this site... its like you cant make a Biggie thread without bringing up 2pac. Biggie was/is a legend stand alone, dont act like 2Pac is responsible for his status, he was blowing up on his first album long before that nonsense with you know who got started...
youre still being fake... not being real. Somehow you think BI and Pac arent linked forever. Whenever you have a BI thread, Pac is simply going to be in it... like Bird and Magic... only BI should be Dominique (one of my favs of all time, but not quite there w/ Mike, Bird, Magic etc...)

Pac was that dude, you know I think that. So imagine how HUGE it is that Hov is slowly becoming the GOAT... Once again, BI was a beast, but he is wildly over rated in most circles. He's not above Pac, Jay, Ra, Uncle L, Cube, Outkast (yes, both of them), Common, Em (and I'm no Em fan by a long shot), Busta, Lu and I could go for a few more names.... He's definately above nars though...

[_free]

youre still being fake... not being real. Somehow you think BI and Pac arent linked forever. Whenever you have a BI thread, Pac is simply going to be in it... like Bird and Magic... only BI should be Dominique (one of my favs of all time, but not quite there w/ Mike, Bird, Magic etc...)
Pac was that dude, you know I think that. So imagine how HUGE it is that Hov is slowly becoming the GOAT... Once again, BI was a beast, but he is wildly over rated in most circles. He's not above Pac, Jay, Ra, Uncle L, Cube, Outkast (yes, both of them), Common, Em (and I'm no Em fan by a long shot), Busta, Lu and I could go for a few more names.... He's definately above nars though...

smmfh

[AskariSTL//So]

youre still being fake... not being real. Somehow you think BI and Pac arent linked forever. Whenever you have a BI thread, Pac is simply going to be in it... like Bird and Magic... only BI should be Dominique (one of my favs of all time, but not quite there w/ Mike, Bird, Magic etc...)
Pac was that dude, you know I think that. So imagine how HUGE it is that Hov is slowly becoming the GOAT... Once again, BI was a beast, but he is wildly over rated in most circles. He's not above Pac, Jay, Ra, Uncle L, Cube, Outkast (yes, both of them), Common, Em (and I'm no Em fan by a long shot), Busta, Lu and I could go for a few more names.... He's definately above nars though...
Whoah, OK see this is my point exactly, you would smoke dudes ashes if you could

I laughed at the basketball metaphor but the rest of this post is reaching like aerobics. I dont even wanna get into Pac vs Big with you because I would be here until New Years Eve, but no breath control no mic charisma havin' Lupe Fiasco? and Busta? Better than Big? I think you're just trying to see yourself type right there...

Eminem is also a longshot with as much garbage as he has recorded. Take into account all of Em's material and he certainly isnt in Biggie's caliber

[Luce Cipher]

really? The nicca was dope................for 2 albums.
I can really think of 10 off the top better.....and more productive....
no, nars is NOT one of them, sorry stanleys.
So when I see threads like "Jay Z can never be the artist BIG was" or something stupid like that im like :laugh: because he passed the nicca about half a decade ago...
new niccaz done came in and dropped consecutive classics
other old heads just been crankin out the quality real isht for over a decade
so in the grand scheme of things BIG is what Reggie Lewis was to the Celtics... yall tryin to make him Bird or even worse... Mike. Reggie Lewis niccaz, Reggie Lewis.
No I dont care that "he brought the east back" that holds no weight with 99% of the country.

honestly mayne, i think its a new york thing. I really dont hear biggie getting props like he does outside that region.

[The TrUTH718]

Being from bklyn. when jay dropped R.D, he was more of a hood favorite, he got some play but was no where nearly as big as biggie or nas was. But at the same time ni99az make it seem like big was a regional rapper or some ****. RTD sold 4 million btw and hes has plenty of hits. Jay didn't have a hit record until 98, After big died the emotional aspect of it lead us to look for another Brooklyn breed ny emcee to hold the east down, that was jay by default. Since he had the quality's big had, was nice, and had a mean flow we accepted him, we also had Nas doing big numbers but he never seem like the type to hold the torch. Volume one was the icing on the cake, he switched his flow up, slow his delivery down and did 5 mill... the rest is history. Ill put jay at fab level when big was around, he was a b list rapper.

[Bondz]

Biggie's delivery, his flow, is above and beyond where most rappers at even when they try hard. Name another cat that sounds like Big, even his voice and inflections were so unique, that when another dude tries to bite it, you will hear it right away. Big part of being an MC right there, waaaay more important than lyrical content, there are many good lyricists, who have NO FLOWS AT ALL.
Thats why Big gets so much love I think, overrated yeah. But you can see why is all Im saying. Big mastered one of the most key aspects of MC'ing, aside from legends like Kane, or Slick Rick, few rappers manage to develop a truly unique style and method of delivery. Even in freestyles, Big is just deadly in that aspect...


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[AKee1981]

Jigga could never be the artist BIG was becuase he bit his entire steez from him. If there was no BIG there would be no Jigga.
He doesn't sound anything like Biggie. Two different strains of emceeing.

[NotSoft]

Biggie bit Pacs whole style and u nikkas wanna tell me about Jay bitin biggies style?nikka please....biggie aint got no content....i challenged nikkas when i said Plies had more content than Biggie,his stans wuz at a loss for words and scrambled....Nas wuz the man at one point and wuz better than Biggie after his first 3 albums,and fell off from there...Biggie wuz the fat goofy nikka who made other fat nikkas feel important,sorry but its true....lyrically he wuznt that crazy...lyrically he wuz below Pac,Nas,Jay in 96...delivery wise he wuz third to Pac and Cube but better than Jay and Nas....What wuz biggie doin like Regrets or Feelin It on his album?And how come one day "Jay bit nas style" then the next day its "he bit biggie"...yet he dont rap like either one of them nikkas other than "he slowed it down"....nikka rap more like Kurupt then either nas or Jay...and kurupt wuz pretty popular back then....i been sayin Jay wuz inspired by Kurupt...keep runnin wit ya little Nas and Biggie sh1t tho....yall really need to go back and listen to old Kurupt if u aint kno.

["BIGBRUHBRUH"]

I never understood the whole Biggie is the King of New York sh1t... Personally i think his second album LAD was a garbage album. Its obvious dudes death helped his status in the game... But you cats talking bout BIG is better than Jay I can't really take your opinions for sh1t when it comes to hip hop dude had 2 records Jay got 10+ its really no comparison...Like Jay said N1gga held us down for 9 summers and n1ggas still mad...

[Kingest Kong]

Jigga could never be the artist BIG was becuase he bit his entire steez from him. If there was no BIG there would be no Jigga.

[Kingest Kong]

This goes out for those that choose to use
Disrespectful views on the King of NY
**** that, why try, throw bleach in your eye
Now ya Braille in it, stash that light ****, or scalin it
Conscience of ya nonsense in eighty-eight
Sold more powder than Johnson and Johnson
Tote steel like Bronson, vigilante
You wanna get on son, you need to ask me
Ain't no other king in this rap thing
They siblings, nothing but my chil'ren
One shot, they disappearin
Its ill when, MC's used to be on cruddy ****
Took home, Ready to Die, listened, studied ****
Now they on some money ****, successful out the blue
They light weight, fragilly, my nine milly
make the white shake, thats why my money never funny
And you still recoupin, stupid [echoes]

^^^^^^^^^ Thats BIG sh*ttin on your favorite rapper (Nas). Nas himself admitted he was scared of no one but BIG scared him. Not to mention the countless lines Jay took from Big. Big's only knock was his catalogue, other than that he was KONY when he was alive and no one could dispute that. As a matter of fact, if Big wasn't KONY from 94 to his death, who was? Nas? No way....

[Kingest Kong]

Being from bklyn. when jay dropped R.D, he was more of a hood favorite, he got some play but was no where nearly as big as biggie or nas was. But at the same time ni99az make it seem like big was a regional rapper or some ****. RTD sold 4 million btw and hes has plenty of hits. Jay didn't have a hit record until 98, After big died the emotional aspect of it lead us to look for another Brooklyn breed ny emcee to hold the east down, that was jay by default. Since he had the quality's big had, was nice, and had a mean flow we accepted him, we also had Nas doing big numbers but he never seem like the type to hold the torch. Volume one was the icing on the cake, he switched his flow up, slow his delivery down and did 5 mill... the rest is history. Ill put jay at fab level when big was around, he was a b list rapper.

[Kingest Kong]

youre still being fake... not being real. Somehow you think BI and Pac arent linked forever. Whenever you have a BI thread, Pac is simply going to be in it... like Bird and Magic... only BI should be Dominique (one of my favs of all time, but not quite there w/ Mike, Bird, Magic etc...)
Pac was that dude, you know I think that. So imagine how HUGE it is that Hov is slowly becoming the GOAT... Once again, BI was a beast, but he is wildly over rated in most circles. He's not above Pac, Jay, Ra, Uncle L, Cube, Outkast (yes, both of them), Common, Em (and I'm no Em fan by a long shot), Busta, Lu and I could go for a few more names.... He's definately above nars though...
:ohmy::thumbsdow:gag::dry::rolleyes:

Your opinion officially does not matter anymore....

[Lmac]

First of all, how did this turn into a BIG vs JAY thread? The thread starter said that BIG was overrated and there are a number of emcees better.

Anyway, I finally came to the realization a short time ago that Jay has surpassed BIG. Did jay bite too many lines? yes. Did jay bite Big's steez? yes. But like some of you have said, for every line Jay has bitten, he has about 30 more of his own that are probably even hotter. I think R2D and RD are equal. LAD is a very good album but overrated. So does that mean that LAD is better than the rest of Jay's albums put together? hell no.

These are the emcees that I think are undoubtedly better than BIG

1. Pac
2. Nas
3. Rakim
4. Jay-z
5. Scarface

There are more that you could argue but those are the 5 that I really think are unquestionably better than biggie.

[AKee1981]

I don't believe Jay sounds anything like Biggie and I definitely don't believe using Biggie's lines in your verses constitutes biting.