Real Talk: A Real Message to Joseph Budden

[TheTruth87]

Joey.. I'm a fan of your music! have been since day 1... You are one the best lyricists rapping today. Thats not saying much since the game is terrible right now! But all in all, can't take anything away from your skills!


Joey this is a business... even the rappers that claim they are doing this for the love being in a studio all day, charge for their music! Everybody knows the mixtape is the segway for the big single which sets up an even bigger stage for your album

Joey... your mixtapes are Great... Your solo career has been 1 album and 3 mixtapes.. you sat on the shelf forever BEFORE JAY-Z Was president

YOU ARE A JAY-Z CLONE JUST LIKE FABOLOUS CASSIDY & LIL WAYNE

You are arguably nicer than all 3 of the MC's but they don't choose to sit around and wine about their situations.. They not only drop mixtapes but they drop albums.. and are still trying to Grind

Fab went Gold in 2007
Lil wayne will Go Gold 2008.... maybe even crawl to plat
Cassidy is struggling... but like a man hes trying to grind it out HES NOT SITTING AROUND BLAMING SWIZZ BEATS

So Joe.. When all else fails.... Don't diss Hov.. just keep grinding.. working... spitting fire..

DO FOR SELF HOMIE

[RaymondFarris]

Man just bump mm3 and shut the fluck up! U don't know that man situation.

[TheVoice315]

Man just bump mm3 and shut the fluck up! U don't know that man situation.

[TheTruth87]

Man just bump mm3 and shut the fluck up! U don't know that man situation.

n previous interviews, you said you supported yourself with real estate and publishing checks while waiting to get off Def Jam.
I was never hard-up for money. I don’t live outside of my means. So the fight with Def Jam wasn’t, "Yo, I’m broke as f*ck. Let me put something out." Fight was, "I’m dope. Why am I not putting music out?"


link: xxlmag.com

[westkoast2k2]

Man just bump mm3 and shut the fluck up! U don't know that man situation.

Sure we do. He told us everything! Joe Budden was ready to take over mainstream hip hop and go diamond until Jay-z aka Michael Jordan in a Wizards uniform stepped into the building. Right when Jayz became the president he ruined Joe Budden's blooming career. Then instead of letting Joe Budden put out an album, even though he had been dropped for a month before American Gangster came out, he decided to put an album out thus ruining Joe Budden's mainstream career even further.

[TheTruth87]

Sure we do. He told us everything! Joe Budden was ready to take over mainstream hip hop and go diamond until Jay-z aka Michael Jordan in a Wizards uniform stepped into the building. Right when Jayz became the president he ruined Joe Budden's blooming career. Then instead of letting Joe Budden put out an album, even though he had been dropped for a month before American Gangster came out, he decided to put an album out thus ruining Joe Budden's mainstream career even further.

:laugh:

Joe wasn't even talking like this until after he was dropped... If you look @ Those old Barbershop talk tapes he wasn't dissing Jay-z

Who put this battery in his back! why aren't dissing LA Reid

[authentiq]

Ya'll need to shut the fukk up. The man said that he was fine financially.

There you have haters.He did what he had to do and gave us good music at the same time. Def Jam is to blame if Joey didnt get his album out.

Like really how is it possible to not drop his album after MM2 ? Dude already had a little buzz plus why not release MM3 tru Def Jam and sees what it do before putting major money into a real project ? MM3 was done with a really cheap budget and Def Jam did bad business by not trying to get a piece of the pie with MM2 & MM3

[TheTruth87]

Ya'll need to shut the fukk up. The man said that he was fine financially.
There you have haters.He did what he had to do and gave us good music at the same time. Def Jam is to blame if Joey didnt get his album out.
Like really how is it possible to not drop his album after MM2 ? Dude already had a little buzz plus why not release MM3 tru Def Jam and sees what it do before putting major money into a real project ? MM3 was done with a really cheap budget and Def Jam did bad business by not trying to get a piece of the pie with MM2 & MM3


Whoa... all the name calling can be done out of the thread... nobody is bashing anyone.. grown men simply debating the whole situation

Nobody said Def Jam didn't do him wrong.... you damn right LA REID DID and whoever was running Def Jam before Sean got there.... no doubt

Instead of sitting around and waiting for help... GRIND... GRIND.... GRIND...

[westkoast2k2]

Ya'll need to shut the fukk up. The man said that he was fine financially.
There you have haters.He did what he had to do and gave us good music at the same time. Def Jam is to blame if Joey didnt get his album out.
Like really how is it possible to not drop his album after MM2 ? Dude already had a little buzz plus why not release MM3 tru Def Jam and sees what it do before putting major money into a real project ? MM3 was done with a really cheap budget and Def Jam did bad business by not trying to get a piece of the pie with MM2 & MM3

If I need to shut up then so does Joe Budden I am just relaying what I was told on Mood Muzik 3.

Why not rls MM3 "tru" def jam? Maybe because he is not on the label?!

[khrys_x]

Who knows...a lot of Budden's story doesn't really add up, so I don't think anyone can really say for sure why he's mad at Jigga...he cries about only acts like Jeezy and Kanye getting pushed, when his debut was pushed just as much as Jeezy's...just nobody gave a fukk...i mean you can't expect the label to send operatives out like the KGB, or considering the make up of most of the upper brass in the music industry, the Mossad and run up into people's cribs and put guns to their heads in order to like Joe Buddens....from there it from him sending in a finished version of The Growth and the label not liking it...to the label ready to release but Budden saying now because he didn't think the timing was right...to Budden himself saying that he stopped submitting music to Def Jam 2 years ago (which seemed to validate when Jay said "if we had a Buddens album,we'd release it")...to saying that he had endless great songs already on deck, and that MM3 had been finished for months but he didn't want to release while signed to Def Jam cause he was deliberately trying to get dropped...to releasing MM3, chock full of references to the last couple of months (what happened to the previously finished MM3 that he was holding)...and now he's mad that Jay is still making albums, and think he's ruining his legacy despite releasing what's being considered his best album since Blueprint...I honestly have no idea, exactly what he's mad at...other than just being mad he's a reletive nobody, which I still think is his fault more than anyone's...

[Play B-O-Y]

budden sucks.

[fundz]

Yo I ain't read them interviews addressing his situation when he got released from Def Jam, but it don't take a genius to put two and two together on why he's not feeling what Jay-Z is doing. All that Def Jam drama aside, I can personally relate to what he's saying about these old mofucckers dropping albums on the daily, stealing them niccas' shine....and now these young talents is getting old too and they still ain't blew up because some shot-calling mofuccker pushing 40 won't put down the mic and handle his biz behind the desk. It's been the same Jay and Nas legion of d!ck dwellers since 2001. I mean, compare the NYC comeups during the golden age/90's to that of 00's....the drop is glaring. Even Stacks made mention of that sh!t...a bunch of opportunists who won't give none an opportunity like they was given. I ain't saying to stop making records, but you made at this point....I don't see the point in making the same album you made in your mid 20's over again now that you damn near 40.

[westkoast2k2]

Yo I ain't read them interviews addressing his situation when he got released from Def Jam, but it don't take a genius to put two and two together on why he's not feeling what Jay-Z is doing. All that Def Jam drama aside, I can personally relate to what he's saying about these old mofucckers dropping albums on the daily, stealing them niccas' shine....and now these young talents is getting old too and they still ain't blew up because some shot-calling mofuccker pushing 40 won't put down the mic and handle his biz behind the desk. It's been the same Jay and Nas legion of d!ck dwellers since 2001. I mean, compare the NYC comeups during the golden age/90's to that of 00's....the drop is glaring. Even Stacks made mention of that sh!t...a bunch of opportunists who won't give none an opportunity like they was given. I ain't saying to stop making records, but you made at this point....I don't see the point in making the same album you made in your mid 20's over again now that you near 40.

Joe Budden was allowed to drop, he received an average response from the people even after being pushed better then any NEW rapper i've seen in ages. Lupe never got pushed the same way Joe Budden did that first time around. Crooked I could only wish Deathrow did half as much for him as Def Jam did for Budden. Saigon? Young Jeezy did not get pushed harder then Joe Budden. It's the fact Jeezy made buzz for himself on mixtapes that helped push him to the top so quick.

Budden and some of his fans are either in denial or dont want to face the truth. The way to best older heads is put out an album people want. 50 cent was a new guy and he had no trouble pushing Jay-z, Nas, and older heads to the side. Joe Budden is a dope MC but he doesn't have what it takes to be in a spot you and everyone else thinks he should be. He is Pharaoh Monch.

[khrys_x]

Yo I ain't read them interviews addressing his situation when he got released from Def Jam, but it don't take a genius to put two and two together on why he's not feeling what Jay-Z is doing. All that Def Jam drama aside, I can personally relate to what he's saying about these old mofucckers dropping albums on the daily, stealing them niccas' shine....and now these young talents is getting old too and they still ain't blew up because some shot-calling mofuccker pushing 40 won't put down the mic and handle his biz behind the desk. It's been the same Jay and Nas legion of d!ck dwellers since 2001. I mean, compare the NYC comeups during the golden age/90's to that of 00's....the drop is glaring. Even Stacks made mention of that sh!t...a bunch of opportunists who won't give none an opportunity like they was given. I ain't saying to stop making records, but you made at this point....I don't see the point in making the same album you made in your mid 20's over again now that you damn near 40.
I don't think its necessarily older emcee's responsibility to "fall back" so younger ones can shine...either you take the shine or you don't...its not like cats like Rakim or Kane came out one day and announced to the hip hop world "Yo, we're done...y'all should embrace these young cats like Nas, Big, Pac, and Jay-Z"...I mean if anything, its harder for older acts to stay relevant while the youth embraces the next generation than the other way around...as the hot new dude on the scene, you have an advantage of hype and freshness that older cats don't...if you can't run with that and translate it to success its your fault not the old guard...you're the challanger, the champ is not just gonna hand you the belt...if somebody like Nas or Jay can still make the type of waves they do after a decade plus in the game, that's a testement to them as artists... and they shouldn't have to just toss that to the side to hold the hand of some underperforming younger rapper who had the perfect set up to be "Next" but dropped the ball and spent the next 5 years crying about it and sulking around with this inflated sense of entitlement...TI didn't sit around crying about how Outkast continued to drop Diamond selling albums while he was struggling with the flopping of I'm Serious...I dunno, just seems like Budden expected Jay to immediately jump on his tip the moment he got the gig at Def Jam...he needs a Dame Dash type figure to kinda take control of his career for him

[TheTruth87]

I don't think its necessarily older emcee's responsibility to "fall back" so younger ones can shine...either you take the shine or you don't...its not like cats like Rakim or Kane came out one day and announced to the hip hop world "Yo, we're done...y'all should embrace these young cats like Nas, Big, Pac, and Jay-Z"...I mean if anything, its harder for older acts to stay relevant while the youth embraces the next generation than the other way around...as the hot new dude on the scene, you have an advantage of hype and freshness that older cats don't...if you can't run with that and translate it to success its your fault not the old guard...you're the challanger, the champ is not just gonna hand you the belt...if somebody like Nas or Jay can still make the type of waves they do after a decade plus in the game, that's a testement to them as artists... and they shouldn't have to just toss that to the side to hold the hand of some underperforming younger rapper who had the perfect set up to be "Next" but dropped the ball and spent the next 5 years crying about it and sulking around with this inflated sense of entitlement...TI didn't sit around crying about how Outkast continued to drop Diamond selling albums while he was struggling with the flopping of I'm Serious...I dunno, just seems like Budden expected Jay to immediately jump on his tip the moment he got the gig at Def Jam...he needs a Dame Dash type figure to kinda take control of his career for him


but hold up............. Young Jeezy, Kanye
wHAT ABOUT FABOLOUS


Hello... he didn't sit around and complain.... bi*ch or wine.... HE MADE HIT RECORDS.. Real Talk is his best album which is only a banger he has no classics BUT HE MAKES SOLID ALBUMS WITH HIT RECORDS

he still drops ill mixtapes and freestyles but he doesn't sit around talking about Jay-Z all day.... Jay-z is not the be all and all @ Def Jam or in Hip Hop

All Im saying is Jump-off should get his grind on.. Clipse and Jim just got deals with Rick Rubin.. Koch is giving Deals to anybody who wants 1... There is allot missing from Joe's side of the story

[authentiq]

I don't think its necessarily older emcee's responsibility to "fall back" so younger ones can shine...either you take the shine or you don't...its not like cats like Rakim or Kane came out one day and announced to the hip hop world "Yo, we're done...y'all should embrace these young cats like Nas, Big, Pac, and Jay-Z"...I mean if anything, its harder for older acts to stay relevant while the youth embraces the next generation than the other way around...as the hot new dude on the scene, you have an advantage of hype and freshness that older cats don't...if you can't run with that and translate it to success its your fault not the old guard...you're the challanger, the champ is not just gonna hand you the belt...if somebody like Nas or Jay can still make the type of waves they do after a decade plus in the game, that's a testement to them as artists... and they shouldn't have to just toss that to the side to hold the hand of some underperforming younger rapper who had the perfect set up to be "Next" but dropped the ball and spent the next 5 years crying about it and sulking around with this inflated sense of entitlement...TI didn't sit around crying about how Outkast continued to drop Diamond selling albums while he was struggling with the flopping of I'm Serious...I dunno, just seems like Budden expected Jay to immediately jump on his tip the moment he got the gig at Def Jam...he needs a Dame Dash type figure to kinda take control of his career for him

Its funny that you mention TI because i never like the dude. I remember reading a XXL issue where Lyor Cohen said that TI would be the future. Next thing you see is Atlantic going all out to promote TI. But before TI hardly sold anything before that time. Its funny because it was Lyor that went all out for Budden as well. Only difference is that they followed up with TI but didnt do it for Budden. By the time his 2nd single (Fire) was out, Lyor was already looking to leave. And lets not forget how they messed up the momentum by not dropping Focus as the 1st single.

Like i said, if i was at Def Jam i would have repackaged MM2 and put it out. Would've probably done the same thing with MM3. Do ya'll realize how much profit can be seen from MM3 if its released tru a major ? cheap production, cheap mixing & mastering = almost no cost for production

You put 0 for marketing and just let it do what it do, they could've offered distribution at least

[TheTruth87]

Its funny that you mention TI because i never like the dude. I remember reading a XXL issue where Lyor Cohen said that TI would be the future. Next thing you see is Atlantic going all out to promote TI. But before TI hardly sold anything before that time. Its funny because it was Lyor that went all out for Budden as well. Only difference is that they followed up with TI but didnt do it for Budden. By the time his 2nd single (Fire) was out, Lyor was already looking to leave. And lets not forget how they messed up the momentum by not dropping Focus as the 1st single.
Like i said, if i was at Def Jam i would have repackaged MM2 and put it out. Would've probably done the same thing with MM3. Do ya'll realize how much profit can be seen from MM3 if its released tru a major ? cheap production, cheap mixing & mastering = almost no cost for production
You put 0 for marketing and just let it do what it do, they could've offered distribution at least

I agree with trying to package his mixtapes as albums, but there is clearly a problem with the label! And Joey instead of working to mend the problem or find some common ground Started to do sh*t to make Def Jam drop him

now hes mad @ the fuc*ing world and not to mention Hip Hops new scapegoat (Sean Carter)

[authentiq]

I agree with trying to package his mixtapes as albums, but there is clearly a problem with the label! And Joey instead of working to mend the problem or find some common ground Started to do sh*t to make Def Jam drop him
now hes mad @ the fuc*ing world and not to mention Hip Hops new scapegoat (Sean Carter)

Like cmon now, did he have another choice ?

And lets not talk about Fabolous cause he was a new signee. Who's gonna sign an artist and put not promote them ?

[khrys_x]

Its funny that you mention TI because i never like the dude. I remember reading a XXL issue where Lyor Cohen said that TI would be the future. Next thing you see is Atlantic going all out to promote TI. But before TI hardly sold anything before that time. Its funny because it was Lyor that went all out for Budden as well. Only difference is that they followed up with TI but didnt do it for Budden. By the time his 2nd single (Fire) was out, Lyor was already looking to leave. And lets not forget how they messed up the momentum by not dropping Focus as the 1st single.

Like i said, if i was at Def Jam i would have repackaged MM2 and put it out. Would've probably done the same thing with MM3. Do ya'll realize how much profit can be seen from MM3 if its released tru a major ? cheap production, cheap mixing & mastering = almost no cost for production

You put 0 for marketing and just let it do what it do, they could've offered distribution at least
lol...Atlantic didn't get behind Tip because of the random cosign from the exec of a competing label...after I'm Serious flopped, Tip took the grind back to the street...started flooding the mixtape scene with the P$C In Da Streets tapes with DJ Drama...and started creating buzz with scene stealing guest verses on tracks like Neva Scared and Re-Akshon that became anthems down south...that buzz set up the release Trap Muzik which had a couple of hits in 24's, Be Easy, and Rubberband Man...which set him up as a star and a game and a consistent platinum seller with the release of Urban Legend...

In buddens case, instead of taking a similar route and building on the momentum of MM2 and trying to start a movement like Tip and others (ironically, like Def Jam successes like Jeezy)...he decided to do nothing but mope around and cry in blogs for a couple of years... according to him he through a hissy fit and stopped cooperating and communicating with Def Jam years before they eventually dropped him...stopped submitting music in some kind of masterplan to drive his value as an artist so low that they dropped him...of course stuff like that makes it kinda difficult to get distribution for mixtapes, or anything else for that matter other than watch your career waste away...which is Budden's pregorative, its his career to waste after all...but to do all that, get dropped...then proceed to cry about it and point fingers, just doesn't make sense to me...

[authentiq]

lol...Atlantic didn't get behind Tip because of the random cosign from the exec of a competing label...after I'm Serious flopped, Tip took the grind back to the street...started flooding the mixtape scene with the P$C In Da Streets tapes with DJ Drama...and started creating buzz with scene stealing guest verses on tracks like Neva Scared and Re-Akshon that became anthems down south...that buzz set up the release Trap Muzik which had a couple of hits in 24's, Be Easy, and Rubberband Man...which set him up as a star and a game and a consistent platinum seller with the release of Urban Legend...
In buddens case, instead of taking a similar route and building on the momentum of MM2 and trying to start a movement like Tip and others (ironically, like Def Jam successes like Jeezy)...he decided to do nothing but mope around and cry in blogs for a couple of years... according to him he through a hissy fit and stopped cooperating and communicating with Def Jam years before they eventually dropped him...stopped submitting music in some kind of masterplan to drive his value as an artist so low that they dropped him...of course stuff like that makes it kinda difficult to get distribution for mixtapes, or anything else for that matter other than watch your career waste away...which is Budden's pregorative, its his career to waste after all...but to do all that, get dropped...then proceed to cry about it and point fingers, just doesn't make sense to me...

:laugh:

you have to be joking, TI never had any kind of buzz whatsoever at any point of his career before Lyor got with Atlantic

[westkoast2k2]

:laugh:
you have to be joking, TI never had any kind of buzz whatsoever at any point of his career before Lyor got with Atlantic

Yea he did. You are wrong. Even I heard about em before Lyor got over there and I live in California.

Btw 24s was already getting heavy rotation before Cohen even went over there. The album was finished by the time he got there.

[authentiq]

Yea he did. You are wrong. Even I heard about em before Lyor got over there and I live in California.

Btw 24s was already getting heavy rotation before Cohen even went over there. The album was finished by the time he got there.

Of course you heard of him but he wasnt that big matter of fact, dudes like Camron & Lil Flip had more buzz than TI

[TheTruth87]

Of course you heard of him but he wasnt that big matter of fact, dudes like Camron & Lil Flip had more buzz than TI

in late 2004 T.I. Buzz > Flips
Early 2004 Flips Buzz > T.I.

By the time he finished off Flip that summer, And Bring Em Out had dropped that fall with the Jay-Z Sample HIS BUZZ HAS BEEN CRAZY

[khrys_x]

:laugh:

you have to be joking, TI never had any kind of buzz whatsoever at any point of his career before Lyor got with Atlantic
Cohen didn't even directly start calling the shots at Altantic till like the middle of '05...from the end of '03 when he left IDJ to then he was the head of Warner Music Group, but Atlantic still operated with a level of autonomy till their old CEO was fired and replaced by Cohen's people...by that time, Tip was already one of the hottest acts in hip hop...24's, Rubberband (both in '03), Bring 'Em Out, You Don't Know Me ('04) were all hit records and he was already a platinum selling artist on the rise...all the while Buddens was somewhere sulking...

[HiphopDude420]

buddens is fine right where he is, i wish he would pull an immortal technique and not sell his soul to one of these Bigs

good luck homie, i been feeling dude every since i got my hands on mm3

to me, he is so much better than your favorite rapper,


joey needs to hop on a mixtape with game, game and buddens need to form an alliance

it would be a good look for producers, these boys would just bring it both are the best from their coasts

[Windex Cleanerz]

not everybody is extremely business minded.

its like budden can make great music but he doesnt know how to utilize himself and market himself. so he relies on a label to do it for him. which aint that bad considering thats a label's job in the first place.

mood muzik 2 could have been an album

[E-MAC]

Budden has repackaged himself and gotten himself alot of buzz with MM2, he's done his job but Def Jam didn't do their as far as i'm concerned it's been a long time coming for his to get at them and Jay.