Just got into an argument with Someone from the South about NY Artist...

[thug0holic_niccuh]

I was telling him, overrall, NY Artist are wayyy better lyrically than southern artist...

All he kept saying, "There are a lot of artist that ain't never get heard", etc, etc... and he kept naming names of southern artist, from the 90s even... Never heard of them..

He kept saying, I never heard of them thats why I feel this way..

So I said, "What do you think NY unheard underground artists will do to southern Arists? Esp unknow artists in the 90s"

lol...It was funny too me...

Even at NY's lowest point, Even southeners should acknowelge that NY Rappers are lyrically supreme.. Come on man.

[da illest niccas son]

ay yo first of b...suk a dykc no hommo

sekon...ny got lirisists thats wut serperats us from rest of the worl.d we got nigas like fabolos and cam and juelz that hold it down and rite their one lirists only lirisists from soth thats cloase to ny swag is weezy

[turknwo]

thats why luda ate jada and nas alive on the remix to made you look right? 2 of nycs lryical "giants"

[W.I.Z.E.]

I was telling him, overrall, NY Artist are wayyy better lyrically than southern artist...
All he kept saying, "There are a lot of artist that ain't never get heard", etc, etc... and he kept naming names of southern artist, from the 90s even... Never heard of them..
He kept saying, I never heard of them thats why I feel this way..
So I said, "What do you think NY unheard underground artists will do to southern Arists? Esp unknow artists in the 90s"
lol...It was funny too me...
Even at NY's lowest point, Even southeners should acknowelge that NY Rappers are lyrically supreme.. Come on man.


I'm from NY and support NY artists...

BUT the counter argument here is


that perhaps the south is smarter. Let's say they had the underground cats like us. Realized they weren't really hittin' and they changed up their style to be more appealing to the masses.

I use "smarter" because most ppl. rap for recognition and dollars...and many southern artists....do that.

[TRUESTORY212]

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[thug0holic_niccuh]

thats why luda ate jada and nas alive on the remix to made you look right? 2 of nycs lryical "giants"


I said IN GENERAL, not one song... Not saying southern rappers can't NEVER outside ny artist, Im not saying that fool.

[SUGEKNIGHTJR.]

if hip hop was strictly about complex lyricisim your arugment MIGHT hold some weight..

but any REAL HIP HOP HEAD knows that good hip hop is more than just that, it's also good production, great song structure and presence i.e (swagger, style)

yo cause at the end of the day B. word is bond dunn it's all about entertainment ..word life :laugh: (mocking on ya byatch ass)

[turknwo]

i swear to god the east coast got the biggest haters in the world, not just with music but in general....its like if u travel round the US once in a while u notice that people in the south and the west dont have such a negative attitude on life and everything it involves......on the west u dont see cats hating on nyc or southern rap, and the same way in the south....but them damn ny dj's bring it all out man, its that natural hate that these east coast cats got.....now im on the east coast too, and im not down with that hatin ****, but damn there is a lotta haters around this part of the country

[W.I.Z.E.]

thats why luda ate jada and nas alive on the remix to made you look right? 2 of nycs lryical "giants"


"Ate"....is debatable but he did rip it. As has Andre 3000. BUT, and I really hate this regional battle....these are the STANDOUTS. That's like talking about all of Texas and then bringin' up Face and Chamillionaire. There's still a LOT of other artists.

NY has:
Kool G.
Talib
Nas
Jay
Jean Grae
Jada
Styles P
Saigon
Joell
Immortal Technique
Common (jost playing)
and that was just real quick off top.

[SUGEKNIGHTJR.]

i swear to god the east coast got the biggest haters in the world, not just with music but in general....its like if u travel round the US once in a while u notice that people in the south and the west dont have such a negative attitude on life and everything it involves......on the west u dont see cats hating on nyc or southern rap, and the same way in the south....but them damn ny dj's bring it all out man, its that natural hate that these east coast cats got.....now im on the east coast too, and im not down with that hatin ****, but damn there is a lotta haters around this part of the country

i know and what's worst is they are inconsitent with thier hate...

saigon is good for that....one minute he's like the south are a bunch of coons on the microphone , next minute it's "yo we all black B...it's all black music ..one love"

typical of alot of niccas up there:

Kay Slay: So what you think of the South running the game right now?

random NY mixtape rapper: Yo..on the real son..them country ass niccas ain't doing hip hop..word , they fukking the game up with thier simplistic approach tot he game..it's killing hip hop ...it's disgusting yo

(gunshots go off.....obnoxious laughter in the background)

Kay Slay: So who you working with on your album?

random NY mixtape rapper: i got my man Lil Boosie, and dat nicca Plies hit me off with a track...and i had to get some heat from the greatest rapper alive ..birdman jr. WEEZY...shoutout to cash money.......cause at the END OF THE DAY SON..WE ALL PART OF THIS HIP HOP GAME FAM......WORD let's get that money...........

:cool:

[turknwo]

"Ate"....is debatable but he did rip it. As has Andre 3000. BUT, and I really hate this regional battle....these are the STANDOUTS. That's like talking about all of Texas and then bringin' up Face and Chamillionaire. There's still a LOT of other artists.
NY has:
Kool G.
Talib
Nas
Jay
Jean Grae
Jada
Styles P
Saigon
Joell
Immortal Technique
Common (jost playing)
and that was just real quick off top.

im sorry i listen to or have listened to most of those cats named but:

talib, styles, saigon, joell, jean grae - either they havent blown up, or never will drop an album on a major

jay, nas - need to retire, compare there albums to their earlier ****, and its like nite and day, im sorry when i think of jayz the rapper, i think of the guy that was rappin on reasonable doubt. nas cant make an album of more than 4 listenable songs anymore, them ****s are starting to sound preachy in the wrong way. he will never achieve the vocal presence that pac had on the mic, especially on a social movement level

kool g? u might as well put kane on the list, dont no one listen to g rap no more

jada-east coast cats always braggin bout dudes lyrics and all that, but all he does is rhyme, hes been rappin for damn near 10 years, and hasnt used more than 1 flow, he scores a 0 on the versatility meter, and he has no charisma, or character....im really sick of the lox talkin about how big their guns are, and how many clips and chambers they got, and they throwin fridges off roofs. why dont they just get at diddy and the rest of the cats they got beef with off wax with one of their semi-automatic missile launchers. now i will admit sometimes jadakiss makes some nice tunes, but im just *****in cuz his **** is very repetetive

[turknwo]

i know and what's worst is they are inconsitent with thier hate...
saigon is good for that....one minute he's like the south are a bunch of coons on the microphone , next minute it's "yo we all black B...it's all black music ..one love"
typical of alot of niccas up there:
Kay Slay: So what you think of the South running the game right now?
random NY mixtape rapper: Yo..on the real son..them country ass niccas ain't doing hip hop..word , they fukking the game up with thier simplistic approach tot he game..it's killing hip hop ...it's disgusting yo
(gunshots go off.....obnoxious laughter in the background)
Kay Slay: So who you working with on your album?
random NY mixtape rapper: i got my man Lil Boosie, and dat nicca Plies hit me off with a track...and i had to get some heat from the greatest rapper alive ..birdman jr. WEEZY...shoutout to cash money.......cause at the END OF THE DAY SON..WE ALL PART OF THIS HIP HOP GAME FAM......WORD let's get that money...........
:cool:

well said

[Windex Cleanerz]

I was telling him, overrall, NY Artist are wayyy better lyrically than southern artist...
All he kept saying, "There are a lot of artist that ain't never get heard", etc, etc... and he kept naming names of southern artist, from the 90s even... Never heard of them..
He kept saying, I never heard of them thats why I feel this way..
So I said, "What do you think NY unheard underground artists will do to southern Arists? Esp unknow artists in the 90s"
lol...It was funny too me...
Even at NY's lowest point, Even southeners should acknowelge that NY Rappers are lyrically supreme.. Come on man.

this type of logic is the reason why NY will never get back "on"

[turknwo]

lets not forget that the rapper that was gonna save the east coast and nyc with his $1.5 million advance ran to the west for a feature and ran to mr generic southern producer himself for a single......i guess snoop wasnt playin when he said he could be the king of ny if he wanted

[westkoast2k2]

While it is true for the most part because of how the southern MCs tend to make music that they know their fans like....however how can you act as if Outkast, UGK, Scarface, the geto boyz, goodie mob, and a bunch of others haven't made lyrical music on par with some greats from NYC?

Why does NY still think they pump out lyricists? You don't. They are few and far between. Most of your new class of New York MCs are not lyricists at all. What Nas and KRS did/do is lyricism. Making punchlines about how big ya gun is or how much crack you sell is not. Honestly aside from Papoose can you tell me a new 'lyrical' mc who brings something to the table other then i got more keys then a janitor type raps? Even when Papoose puts a lyrical display on....it was already done by a lyricist from another region, he wasnt the first to 'murder the alphabet'

And Joe Budden isnt from NYC so dont bring him up. NY stays ****ting on NJ until its convient for them to claim people like Joe Budden and Redman lol

[W.I.Z.E.]

Honestly aside from Papoose can you tell me a new 'lyrical' mc who brings something to the table other then i got more keys then a janitor type raps? '



Did you not read my previous list?

If you think Jean Grae isn't lyrical then we define lyricism differently.


Bottom line NY does need to stop hatin' and get smarter in the game. Look at what Fat Joe did. Like it or not he flipped his style with DJ Khaled and has been somewhat successful. Hate or love him look at 50 Cent.

Neither are "lyrical" but both are successful (in their own way) NY emcees.

[Lawrence]

NY Runs hiphop

[westkoast2k2]

Did you not read my previous list?
If you think Jean Grae isn't lyrical then we define lyricism differently.
Bottom line NY does need to stop hatin' and get smarter in the game. Look at what Fat Joe did. Like it or not he flipped his style with DJ Khaled and has been somewhat successful. Hate or love him look at 50 Cent.
Neither are "lyrical" but both are successful (in their own way) NY emcees.

No I didn't read your post cuz I was responding directly to the thread starter. If I was responding to you, id quote you.

Jean Grae is lyrical but she been in the game since 2000 hasn't she? Even if you want to chalk one up to Jean Grae/NY I can name 4-5 MCs who prove my point, which is NY pumps out more non-lyrical MCs and is trying to do what southern MCs do. Did you guys already forget about mr. bring the eastcoast back MIMS? How about Jason Foxx? Murda Mook? Uncle Murder? Hell Rell?

It's not even about success to me. They don't need to switch their style up to be popular. Some of them need to switch their style up cuz we already have a Jay-z and a 50 cent. We don't need more clones.

[W.I.Z.E.]

No I didn't read your post cuz I was responding directly to the thread starter. If I was responding to you, id quote you.

Jean Grae is lyrical but she been in the game since 2000 hasn't she? Even if you want to chalk one up to Jean Grae/NY I can name 4-5 MCs who prove my point, which is NY pumps out more non-lyrical MCs and is trying to do what southern MCs do. Did you guys already forget about mr. bring the eastcoast back MIMS? How about Jason Foxx? Murda Mook? Uncle Murder? Hell Rell?

It's not even about success to me. They don't need to switch their style up to be popular. Some of them need to switch their style up cuz we already have a Jay-z and a 50 cent. We don't need more clones.

let's focus cuz you're all over the place.

Are you talking about Album sales or soem other measure in defining success or lyricism?


For the record. You prolly didn't hear ANYONE saying Mims or Jason Foxx was lyrical. And there are TONS of other Emcees around the world who have come out with one song and fizzled the same. So this isn't unique to New York.

Most people clone success to some extent. It's called Life.

Chrsyler 300's cloned Bentley's.
R.Kelly cloned Aaron Hall
Keyshia Cole cloned Mary..
Snoop took elements of Slick Rich.

"No ideas original there's nothing new under the sun" - Nas

[Still Shinin]

thats why luda ate jada and nas alive on the remix to made you look right? 2 of nycs lryical "giants"
personally i think jada got em

[westkoast2k2]

let's focus cuz you're all over the place.
Are you talking about Album sales or soem other measure in defining success or lyricism?
For the record. You prolly didn't hear ANYONE saying Mims or Jason Foxx was lyrical. And there are TONS of other Emcees around the world who have come out with one song and fizzled the same. So this isn't unique to New York.
Most people clone success to some extent. It's called Life.
Chrsyler 300's cloned Bentley's.
R.Kelly cloned Aaron Hall
Keyshia Cole cloned Mary..
Snoop took elements of Slick Rich.
"No ideas original there's nothing new under the sun" - Nas

I am not all over the place. My point from the very begging is NY doesn't pump out lyricists like they use to but continue to act as if their area is still a lyrical region. When it comes to their new era... It really isnt. What I said proves that.

Album sales have NOTHING to do with being lyrical, good, or anything related to those two things.

I am all over the place but your talking about album sales, people copying things from other regions, and bringing up car companies.

And for the record Snoop copied Slick Rick on one song and clearly gave him a shout out. Snoop was never on some Kingdom ruler slash england swagger in his music. EVER. He's a gang banger/pimp. When was Slick Rick a gang banger lol

[W.I.Z.E.]

Let's start here...

Name all the LYRICISTS you think are in the game...that will bring us back on track here.

I'll start.

Kool G.
Talib
Nas
Jay
Jean Grae
Jada
Styles P
Saigon
Joell
Immortal Technique
Luda
Crooked I
Black Thought
Planet Asia
Andre 3000 (I don't think Big Boi is lyrical)
Eminem
Slick Rick (yes he still rhymes)
Kenn Starr
Phonte
ScareFace
Chamillionaire
Tone Deff
Joe Budden
Common
Pharoah Monch
Rick Ross




*I tried to keep the list to people who have made albums (including mixtapes) in the past 3 years. Eminem and Slick Rick may not fit that criteria.

[KingSolomon]

I think that NYC focused more on lyrics at one time, but so did the south. No on focuses on lyrics anymore though because lyrics don't sell records. Beats sell records. Ignorance sells records. I'm from the South and I will say that NYC is more "lyrically focused" than the South. Let me tell you another side of it though.

Education. I'm 29 and ni99az who grew up in the 70's, 80's, and early to mid 90's are a lot more intelligent (book-wise) than dudes coming up in the late 90's and the 21st century. I talk to a lot of young cats who think that BIG couldn't rap, nor Outkast, nor Scarface, nor Nas and Jay-Z. I'm not saying the don't like the artist, but they actually think they have no talent. Why? Because if anyone gets too lyrical, these cats are not smart enough to decipher/understand what they are talking about. That's why the South runs it right now. They are trying to make money as a FIRST priority while NYC cats are trying to be lyrical so ANOTHER NYC cat will dickride them and tell him "You got skillz dunny!" You let a 16 year listen to Nature of the Threat by Kass and they say "That is wack." In short, dudes is too dumb to be listening to lyricist.

PS - Most punchline mcs are not lyricist.

"I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars" - Jay-Z

[westkoast2k2]

Let's start here...
Name all the LYRICISTS you think are in the game...that will bring us back on track here.
I'll start.
Kool G.
Talib
Nas
Jay
Jean Grae
Jada
Styles P
Saigon
Joell
Immortal Technique
Luda
Crooked I
Black Thought
Planet Asia
Andre 3000 (I don't think Big Boi is lyrical)
Eminem
Slick Rick (yes he still rhymes)
Kenn Starr
Phonte
ScareFace
Chamillionaire
Tone Deff
Joe Budden
Common
Pharoah Monch
Rick Ross

*I tried to keep the list to people who have made albums (including mixtapes) in the past 3 years. Eminem and Slick Rick may not fit that criteria.

Rick Ross?

And what does this have to do with the topic here which *SOME* New Yorkers honestly think you can take any of their rappers and they are automatically more 'lyrical' then any other region. Like the idea that gun talk/crack talk from an NY MC is that much more complex then the South. A lot of them are just really bad joke tellers who do what other MCs from other regions do. You are missing a lot of lyricists but that is not the point.

Right now, the new class, not any of the older established MCs , is garbage. BET Comic View at best. You have a bunch of average joke tellers getting on the mic. They never get their own specials (albums for you crack babies) and for good reason. How are you guys going to let Lil Wayne go out and be what all your mixtape MCs wish they were?

[W.I.Z.E.]

Why does NY still think they pump out lyricists? You don't. They are few and far between. Most of your new class of New York MCs are not lyricists at all.

I posted some of the new class lyricists...then you said.



And what does this have to do with the topic here which *SOME* New Yorkers honestly think you can take any of their rappers and they are automatically more 'lyrical' then any other region.

Like or not the list I posted has MORE NYC emcees than any other region. Did I miss something?

[Reggie Jams]

ay yo first of b...suk a dykc no hommo
sekon...ny got lirisists thats wut serperats us from rest of the worl.d we got nigas like fabolos and cam and juelz that hold it down and rite their one lirists only lirisists from soth thats cloase to ny swag is weezy

a wack nicca shyts on a raw beat

[SubLyminalz]

Let's start here...
Name all the LYRICISTS you think are in the game...that will bring us back on track here.
I'll start.
Kool G.
Talib
Nas
Jay
Jean Grae
Jada
Styles P
Saigon
Joell
Immortal Technique
Luda
Crooked I
Black Thought
Planet Asia
Andre 3000 (I don't think Big Boi is lyrical)
Eminem
Slick Rick (yes he still rhymes)
Kenn Starr
Phonte
ScareFace
Chamillionaire
Tone Deff
Joe Budden
Common
Pharoah Monch
Rick Ross

*I tried to keep the list to people who have made albums (including mixtapes) in the past 3 years. Eminem and Slick Rick may not fit that criteria.
rick ross :laugh:

[westkoast2k2]

I posted some of the new class lyricists...then you said.
Like or not the list I posted has MORE NYC emcees than any other region. Did I miss something?

Are you slow or something? They (the thread starter and his friend) were comparing any southern MCs and new NYC mcs.

Besides just because you could name more NYC mcs only means....that you know more NYC emcees. Thats it money :laugh: You forgot PLENTY of people like Blackailicious, Paris, Rasco, Del, Casual, A-Plus, Tajai but again that is not the point. Half the people you named were not new class MCs....Since when is Talib Kweli and Nas *new class* ? Nas has been rapping for over 15 years lol. Kool G Rap, Black Thought?! LOL. Of course you named more NYC MCs...you were cheating!

*SOME* NYCers seem to think that when one of their MCs does gun talk/crack sales that it is automatically more lyrical then one another MC from a region kicks it the same way. I'm not talking about Wu-Tang Clan, Nas, or Biggie....I'm talking about newer MCs. Hell Rell, Jim Jones, Mims, Uncle Murder, Tru Life, Maino, Murda Mook, J-Hood etc etc. This has been explained to you many times. Read. Re-read. Comprehend. Hit post.

[W.I.Z.E.]

Did you not read my previous list?
If you think Jean Grae isn't lyrical then we define lyricism differently.
Bottom line NY does need to stop hatin' and get smarter in the game. Look at what Fat Joe did. Like it or not he flipped his style with DJ Khaled and has been somewhat successful. Hate or love him look at 50 Cent.
Neither are "lyrical" but both are successful (in their own way) NY emcees.

For the most part I agree with this.

While it is true for the most part because of how the southern MCs tend to make music that they know their fans like....however how can you act as if Outkast, UGK, Scarface, the geto boyz, goodie mob, and a bunch of others haven't made lyrical music on par with some greats from NYC?

This statement is where I start to disagree.


Why does NY still think they pump out lyricists? You don't. They are few and far between. Most of your new class of New York MCs are not lyricists at all. ....

On an absolute basis NY DOES still pump out lyricists...


Most of your new class of New York MCs are not lyricists at all. ....

MOST OF THE RAPPERS OUT NOW ARE NOT lyricist. Not just NY. This is my point. BUT on a relative basis NY still has some top notch lyricists.




Honestly aside from Papoose can you tell me a new 'lyrical' mc who brings something to the table other then i got more keys then a janitor type raps?


My post was a reaction to this question. Your implication in the question is that there aren't ANY new lyrical mc's from New York. That's incorrect.

I named a bunch of mc's numerous times.

[Classics]

that perhaps the south is smarter. Let's say they had the underground cats like us. Realized they weren't really hittin' and they changed up their style to be more appealing to the masses.


The South is responsible for making rap music a viable hustle. They're also the largest region in music and the most loyal and I would take the South over anywhere 9/10 becuz of those 3 facts alone.


Now try sellin your CDs on Broad & Market at 5pm you gonna make like 10 bucks and spend it on bud, I already know what it is... the game gettin switched soon. We dem n*ggaz.

[W.I.Z.E.]

The South is responsible for making rap music a viable hustle. They're also the largest region in music and the most loyal and I would take the South over anywhere 9/10 becuz of those 3 facts alone.
Now try sellin your CDs on Broad & Market at 5pm you gonna make like 10 bucks and spend it on bud, I already know what it is... the game gettin switched soon. We dem n*ggaz.


Ehh...I know what you're saying sorta. If you mean they made it viable recently YES. In the past, I would say ppl. like Russell Simmons and Puffy made it a strong hustle. Sprinkle a lil Jay and there you have it.

But people like Master P (south) and Too Short(West) help diversity hip hops hustle.

As of late, the South have really perfected this grind more so. It's a new market and cat's gotta adapt if they want to make more money. Adapt does NOT equal sellout.

[westkoast2k2]

WIZE tell me all these new lyricist NYC has been pumping out...we named Papoose and Jean Grae. Name all these other ones being pumped out.

You named two from NYC...People consider Lil Wayne a lyricist and you named Rick Ross. There is two from the South. Point proven. So much for head and shoulders above the South. I named what was it...6 WACK generic mcs from NYC that are not doing anything.

[NotSoft]

basically "lyricist" aint meant sh1t in a while...right now the south is killin the east...the only rappers worth checkin for or worth mentionin(still relevant) is Jay,Nas,Fabolous,50,Stack Bundles,Shyne...if u not one of these guys u havent brought sh1t to the game,u r worthless,u have no swagger involved,ya music is trash...the south got Jeezy,Scarface,UGK,Plies,Outkast,Lil Wayne,TI,Young Dro,Luda,Rick Ross,DJ Drama,DJ Khaled...they dj's and rappers merkin yalls right now,they underground rappers at least make bangers that will get sum play....we might get a "duffle bag boy" outta they unknown rappers...we never hear sh1t from NY unknown rappers....MIMs wuz the first NY rapper to come out of no where since probaly Shyne and have a hit song...otherwise its always the same names....but at the end of the day lets talk about how NY and the south wuz on the west coast d1ck and stole our style while we wuz in our prime.

[coogi mane]

yall fake hip hop heads kill me with this lyrical sh*t. *****z mad cuz we run **** so they try to say they more lyrical. nikka make a good song. just cuz u say alotta big words dont mean you flowwin and i dont like alotta this down south simple **** but the people like joe budden and those random sound the same mixtape rappers are fukkin garbage. i fuk wit pap but he cant even ride the beat half the time. nobody from up north besides Jay can even try to fuk wit weezy, Ti,ross, or bun b. And plies sucks. i say get sum swag,get better production and stop cryin cuz NY fell off 10 years ago

[nita0312]

I think that NYC focused more on lyrics at one time, but so did the south. No on focuses on lyrics anymore though because lyrics don't sell records. Beats sell records. Ignorance sells records. I'm from the South and I will say that NYC is more "lyrically focused" than the South. Let me tell you another side of it though.
Education. I'm 29 and ni99az who grew up in the 70's, 80's, and early to mid 90's are a lot more intelligent (book-wise) than dudes coming up in the late 90's and the 21st century. I talk to a lot of young cats who think that BIG couldn't rap, nor Outkast, nor Scarface, nor Nas and Jay-Z. I'm not saying the don't like the artist, but they actually think they have no talent. Why? Because if anyone gets too lyrical, these cats are not smart enough to decipher/understand what they are talking about. That's why the South runs it right now. They are trying to make money as a FIRST priority while NYC cats are trying to be lyrical so ANOTHER NYC cat will dickride them and tell him "You got skillz dunny!" You let a 16 year listen to Nature of the Threat by Kass and they say "That is wack." In short, dudes is too dumb to be listening to lyricist.
PS - Most punchline mcs are not lyricist.
"I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars" - Jay-Z

While I don't readily agree with that statement cuz it's a generalization, I do feel you. If your rhymes have words with more than 2 syllables, then it's too complex and therefore it's garbage. A lot of these kids don't understand that there's more to hip hop than a hot beat.

[Classics]

Ehh...I know what you're saying sorta. If you mean they made it viable recently YES. In the past, I would say ppl. like Russell Simmons and Puffy made it a strong hustle. Sprinkle a lil Jay and there you have it.
But people like Master P (south) and Too Short(West) help diversity hip hops hustle.
As of late, the South have really perfected this grind more so. It's a new market and cat's gotta adapt if they want to make more money. Adapt does NOT equal sellout.


Hustle don't mean you can eat, it means you can pull up... pop the trunk... and get ya CD sales poppin.

Puff nor Rush did that for the revenue and got it off or purchased the record stores to sell their own sh*t. And I dont think Jay did it either. Only nigha close is 50 becuz he got himself on bigger tapes with bigger DJs and did his thing and created his own buzz. Since then however no one from New York has generated his own buzz/income prior to a deal.

[turknwo]

Hustle don't mean you can eat, it means you can pull up... pop the trunk... and get ya CD sales poppin.
Puff nor Rush did that for the revenue and got it off or purchased the record stores to sell their own sh*t. And I dont think Jay did it either. Only nigha close is 50 becuz he got himself on bigger tapes with bigger DJs and did his thing and created his own buzz. Since then however no one from New York has generated his own buzz/income prior to a deal.

do u remember when the roc couldnt get a deal? and dame, jay and biggs were financing there own **** and sellin it themselves and gettin radio play????? cmon dog, jay did do THAT

[W.I.Z.E.]

WIZE tell me all these new lyricist NYC has been pumping out...we named Papoose and Jean Grae. Name all these other ones being pumped out.



For the record...and to be fair. I think Pap is overrated....That said....here goes my list.


Immortal Technique
Joell Ortiz
Saigon
Sha Stimuli
Skyzoo (arguable)
Corey Gunz (yes LYRICAL)

[Classics]

do u remember when the roc couldnt get a deal? and dame, jay and biggs were financing there own **** and sellin it themselves and gettin radio play????? cmon dog, jay did do THAT

:ohmy: man Reasonable Doubt aint go platinum til after Hard Knock Life came out which means with all that "hustle", a spot on Nutty Professor Soundtrack, and 2 videos it only spoke to at most 500,000 people. And that was on Priority Records, not no indie or self-owned situation. They aint even have a joint venture when they did that deal that was prolly just distribution.

I'm talking about hustling your records to people, eating off of it with ya own distribution and controlling your product... having it BLOW and its your money 100% thats what Master P and Hump did and everyone who followed got it poppin in that vein.

[turknwo]

:ohmy: man Reasonable Doubt aint go platinum til after Hard Knock Life came out which means with all that "hustle", a spot on Nutty Professor Soundtrack, and 2 videos it only spoke to at most 500,000 people. And that was on Priority Records, not no indie or self-owned situation. They aint even have a joint venture when they did that deal that was prolly just distribution.
I'm talking about hustling your records to people, eating off of it with ya own distribution and controlling your product... having it BLOW and its your money 100% thats what Master P and Hump did and everyone who followed got it poppin in that vein.

o ok, i understood u wrong then... i wasnt tryna say that they were pushin mad units, it was a bridge they had to cross tho to break into the industry at the time, and their hustle and wont quit demeanor is what got them into the industry......but yeah, they aint no master p, suge knight, or diddy ill give u that one

[dieMCs]

this topic is stupid!!! ny always pulls the "lyricist" card because that's all they got to fall back on!!! jay, fab & 50 are probably the only ny cats still REALLY relevant!!!! maybe a few more, not nas!!! ny still wants everyone to follow their lead, which was evident on all the ny hate mims was gettin'!!! no one follows that standard anymore & ny is mad they're not the center of attention!!!! they don't want to evolve & that's why they ain't takin' the game back no time soon!!! you have to be yourself but evolve, look at wayne, he ain't tryin' to bring it back to 1980 son!!!

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