Jay-Z was irrelevant during the Big/Pac/Pun era

[Obvious Man]

back in '95, jigga was known as BIG's lil' homey, he was not relevant and no one cared for that n1gga or his music

that's why pac didnt even address that n1gga except for saying "fukk jay-z" and havin' his skit n1gga call him a corny soundin' mawfukka

there's a ton of revisionist history by his stans, but the truth is this n1gga was a non-factor before pac, big, and pun died

[jroc]

I aint gonna fake, I never even heard of Jay Z til both Pac n Biggie died.....And I started messing with Biggie late....

[SouthernHipHopHead]

You could have had a point if you just stuck to Biggie/Pac era but Jay-z owned from 98-07.


So you could chop Pun off the list.

[Boola Bless]

I wouldn't say irrelevant but he definitely wasn't a TOP n!gga in the hip hop scene. More like an B list n!gga.

[macknific]

who has ever said he was relevent in the Pac era? Pac died in 96 thats the year of Jay's first album. BIG died in 97 that's only one year & RD went platinum anyway didn't it? gold at least that's good back then for a debut album with no giant hit and little to no hype (indie label, etc) now the Pun era you can't really say that because the Pun "era" is 98/99 Jay already sold 5 million in 98 with Vol 2

[TheY2DreProblem]

I keep tellin ni99as hes a legend by default.

[HiphopDude420]

back in '95, jigga was known as BIG's lil' homey, he was not relevant and no one cared for that n1gga or his music
that's why pac didnt even address that n1gga except for saying "fukk jay-z" and havin' his skit n1gga call him a corny soundin' mawfukka
there's a ton of revisionist history by his stans, but the truth is this n1gga was a non-factor before pac, big, and pun died

The reason i support Jay and Nas is cuz they out lasted big and pac. Period. Sorta Like I ****s with Bush cuz they outlasted Nirvana. So maybe you are jealous but I go back in time with the boys from Back to the Future like you though, Can I?

[Kid-Wave]

snoop said that best on foxxhole radio lol "before biggie died, jay z was a regular ass rapper"

[NY livin for real]

yeah Jay came out in 96, but only really came up in the DMX, Ja, Jay era. Same era as pun. but still Jay did step it up over the other cats comin up at the same time.

Besides there really aint many cats from the Big/Pac era still even in the game, other than Snoop n Nas, but they both came up in 93-94 anyway.

[dieMCs]

The reason i support Jay and Nas is cuz they out lasted big and pac. Period.

they outlasted someone who died??? that don't mean nothin'!!!! if i die today of course you outlasted me!!! how they get more points 'cause they ain't dead when they were nobody's compared to pac & big????

like stated before they're legends by default!!!! if you even give them that much credit!!!

:mad:victim!!!!:mad:

[Sunzoo aka LC]

maybe because his first album came out THE YEAR that pac died? was he supposed to drop 1 album and be the biggest star on earth? **** if you wanna look at it like that, pac was irrelevant for the whole first half of his career compared to his contemporaries

[reddog271]

back in '95, jigga was known as BIG's lil' homey, he was not relevant and no one cared for that n1gga or his music
that's why pac didnt even address that n1gga except for saying "fukk jay-z" and havin' his skit n1gga call him a corny soundin' mawfukka
there's a ton of revisionist history by his stans, but the truth is this n1gga was a non-factor before pac, big, and pun died


when did "the Originators" come out?

[HiphopDude420]

they outlasted someone who died??? that don't mean nothin'!!!! if i die today of course you outlasted me!!! how they get more points 'cause they ain't dead when they were nobody's compared to pac & big????
like stated before they're legends by default!!!! if you even give them that much credit!!!
:mad:victim!!!!:mad:
Yea, you need to smoke some blunts. It tends to add a purity to the art. I find what Nas and Jay-Z have done to be remarkable. Like point blank. Jay flipping Roc. Like homie, you aint even know he had the **** laid out before you knew what the plan was!
No homo but still, yea **** yea, just like Pac & Big gained unforeseen notteriaty after their death. Jay-Z is all we got left from that time man. Same with Nas. Dont even **** around b, you talking about living legends.
Seriously, they survived the whole record deal

[Gator]

his first album wuz classic

it would have been if pac and big were alive also

[LukeCage888]

Jay, as an artist > Pac/Big/Pun...although it's close with Pun. That's all that matters to me.

Will y'all knock it off with this "relevant/irrelevant" shyt? Goddamn, it's like every other thread has "so-and-so is/is not relevant" in the title. Shyt is like the secret word on Peewee's Playhouse or something.

[NYSpic]

Jay, as an artist > Pac/Big/Pun...although it's close with Pun. That's all that matters to me.
Will y'all not it off with this "relevant/irrelevant" shyt? Goddamn, it's like every other thread has "so-and-so is/is not relevant" in the title. Shyt is like the secret word on Peewee's Playhouse or something.

cant really compare jay or nas to pac, big , or pun cause pac/big/pun never had their longevity tested , and also never got a chance to reinvent their flows and grow as artists

[LukeCage888]

cant really compare jay or nas to pac, big , or pun cause pac/big/pun never had their longevity tested , and also never got a chance to reinvent their flows and grow as artists

He was better than them when he was alive, imo. Reasonable Doubt > any album by Big, Pac, or Pun.

[dieMCs]

Yea, you need to smoke some blunts. It tends to add a purity to the art. I find what Nas and Jay-Z have done to be remarkable. Like point blank. Jay flipping Roc. Like homie, you aint even know he had the **** laid out before you knew what the plan was!
No homo but still, yea **** yea, just like Pac & Big gained unforeseen notteriaty after their death. Jay-Z is all we got left from that time man. Same with Nas. Dont even **** around b, you talking about living legends.
Seriously, they survived the whole record deal

i ain't takin' away they accomplishments but sayin' they outlasted two dead people sound stupid to me!!!! livin' longer & outlastin' somebody in the industry are different things to me!!! if anybody they ain't OUTLAST pac!!! he still drops albums that outsell nas!!! compare them to other legends that are still livin' if you want to compare industry runs is what i mean!!!! that's like me gettin shot & you say you outlasted me on sohh!!!

:mad:victim!!!!:mad:

[NotSoft]

maybe because his first album came out THE YEAR that pac died? was he supposed to drop 1 album and be the biggest star on earth? **** if you wanna look at it like that, pac was irrelevant for the whole first half of his career compared to his contemporaries



thats why i dont see why nikkas make that comparison...Pac wuz what Jay wuz in the Cube era...he wuz considered small to snoop....but its been 10 yrs this aint no fluke....now dmx wouldnt be hear if not for pac dyin cuz he wuz just a pac replacement to me...Biggie and Jay aint really the same rapper to me....and people arent reminded of Biggie just by the sight of jay....Jay should be given props,after Pac and Biggie died Nas wuz the obvious heir...they wuz callin him the "thug poet" like he wuz pac...and he wuz the obvious heir to biggie throne...so why didnt he take over and run the game?How Jay,Dmx,and even Ja rule get more shine than sumbody who wuz relevant durin that era? Jay capitalized and been capiltizin ever since how ever u wanna call it.

[N*IT*2*WIN*IT]

if you wanna look at it like that, pac was irrelevant for the whole first half of his career compared to his contemporaries
:yes:

[J0ker_973]

back in '95, jigga was known as BIG's lil' homey, he was not relevant and no one cared for that n1gga or his music
that's why pac didnt even address that n1gga except for saying "fukk jay-z" and havin' his skit n1gga call him a corny soundin' mawfukka
there's a ton of revisionist history by his stans, but the truth is this n1gga was a non-factor before pac, big, and pun died
yeah it's kinda tough to be relevant without an official album or even a mixtape out.. i would say so too.. dumbass

[Sunzoo aka LC]

Jay, as an artist > Pac/Big/Pun...although it's close with Pun. That's all that matters to me.
Will y'all knock it off with this "relevant/irrelevant" shyt? Goddamn, it's like every other thread has "so-and-so is/is not relevant" in the title. Shyt is like the secret word on Peewee's Playhouse or something.

LMAO!

co sign for the most part

[6FiggieNiggie]

Jay broke out in 97/98 it's common knowledge

Jay-Z in 95 was like how Saigon is right now(2007).

Jay only became known after fvckin with Foxy Brown.

[Rice N Beans]

Big Pun >>>> Jay-Z any day as a rapper. Pun is overlooked too much.

[6FiggieNiggie]

Nas longevity>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jay-Z's

Busta Rhymes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jay-Z's

[Keep_It_Hip_Hop_Fam]

Nas longevity>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jay-Z's
Busta Rhymes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jay-Z's

Nas owes his longevity to Jay. Not once but twice he resurrected his career.

[J0ker_973]

Nas longevity>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jay-Z's
Busta Rhymes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jay-Z's
this is why canada ass niccas should be allowed to listen and comment on our music

[Kingest Kong]

I wouldn't say irrelevent but Nas and Jay benefitted large from the deaths of Pac and Big. And on that topic i dont understand how ppl say Big can't be considered a GOAT. In a time where hip hop was at its peak Big was king. I'll accept the catalogue argument however Big was killin the game from 94 to 97.

[The Nastiest]

Pun didn't have an era, the nigqa had one hot album and limited guest appearances while he was poppin... some of yall try to keep him up with the oversensationalization of Pac and Biggie and it's not gonna happen cuz it shouldn't. he was a beat on the mic, but it was in no way his era or co-era. If anything it was the Big/Pac/Bone/Outkast/Wu era and you could make a case for Mobb and a few others, but not Pun

[bkgiggles86]

I keep tellin ni99as hes a legend by default.
Kill ya self!!!!!

[E-MAC]

Nas was platinum plus selling rapper when Big and Pac were alive, Jay was nothing.

[Rzarector7]

I wouldn't say irrelevant but he definitely wasn't a TOP n!gga in the hip hop scene. More like an B list n!gga.
Yep and his debut album was not the 5 mic classic heads say it is today then, he was basically just another rapper to drop a good album then, TRUE TO LIFE SHYT..... He was not that big.

He was better than them when he was alive, imo. Reasonable Doubt > any album by Big, Pac, or Pun.
U crazy as fukk there...... Puns first was nicer even IMO, Pacs All Eyes FORGET IT, easily better..... BIG LAD is better too, and Ready To Die.

[kingofduval904]

jay wasnt this.. jay wasnt that... what is he now?

[DaGodMcIzMe]

You could have had a point if you just stuck to Biggie/Pac era but Jay-z owned from 98-07.


So you could chop Pun off the list.

dudes forget dmx in this era from 97-03 X was a top dude with jay-z he sold just as many records as him in this period of time he just aint drop one every summer as jay

[Obvious Man]

Nas was platinum plus selling rapper when Big and Pac were alive, Jay was nothing.

pretty much

and there's a reason RD didn't come out before 96...the N1GGA WAS IRRELEVANT. He was the saigon/cassidy of that era, i.e. the industry wasn't ready to invest money in pushin that n1gga because he was a B level artist.

how the fukk does Lil' Kim put out an album before that n1gga even though jigga was like 8 years deep in the game before kim ever got put on...

[danja29]

:laugh: You lost me when you said "Pun"... Pun wasn't in the same era as Big and Pac- yeah, he was around, but he hadn't put out as much as a single on his own yet... so how does he factor into that era? If he's a part of that "era", then Jay was too. Jay had a gold single and a gold album in '96- where was Pun, besides guest spots on Fat Joe songs?

[Kingofkings]

Maybe cause he started his actual career in 96 with an underground album that he and dame released and sold 400k first year, then dropped his first album with no hype and sold far over 1 million and now he had the hype and it was after big and pac had died....