View Full Version : Ja Rule said Jay-Z was about to respond to Pac....then Pac died
Ya'll aint seen Ja Rule:The Corner on In Demand on Time Warner digital cable?
Ja: I was there when Jay-Z heard Pac say FUCC JAY-Z,I saw his reaction...when Jay was gettin ready to respond Pac died."
Somethin to that extent.
Sunzoo aka LC
11-15-07, 08:33 PM
dead or alive or whatever he had at the time ready for pac was not that potent anyway, jay should be lucky that pac died, his flow and delivery back then were really understated and probably his only real weakness, nobody would have cared going against some **** like against all odds, pac woulda clowned dude
kingofduval904
11-15-07, 08:36 PM
jay is my dude.. but he'd stood no chance against pac.. pac was just a different type of n!gga.. anything he said.. you believed him
Kingofkings
11-15-07, 08:40 PM
Hmm (http://www.zshare.net/audio/4936263eec0d62/)
YoungPimpin
11-15-07, 08:43 PM
Jay-z was a bum back then. Not even a blip on the radar. Pac saying Fukk jay-z was like him saying fukk chino xl. Irrelevant rappers. Jay's lucky pac and big died. He'd still be in marcy right now if they were alive.
The only difference is that jay-z was a real gangster, who knew real gangsters, he could just give dehaven a flat fee and pac would get x:ed
:rolleyes:
BlackBulletZZ
11-15-07, 08:47 PM
I cant tell if your serious or not...
Kingofkings
11-15-07, 08:47 PM
smh @ every nas stan qouting my post and taking it serious..
Why do you hate jay that much? ..
ferrari f-50
11-15-07, 09:00 PM
wtf? jay didn't hear pac say **** jay-z til after pac died. i can't recall pac saying **** jay-z when he was alive. 7 day theory came out after pac died
I think Jay Z hard word that Tupac was about to diss him or something!
NotSoft
11-15-07, 09:08 PM
Unless Pac said it in sum radio interview i think thats the x talkin...cuz i dont remember Pac sayin "fuk Jay" before he died...im still thinkin tho
wtf? jay didn't hear pac say **** jay-z til after pac died. i can't recall pac saying **** jay-z when he was alive. 7 day theory came out after pac died
If u got On Demand go check it out Ja said it fa sure
Woodrow
11-15-07, 09:21 PM
jay is my dude.. but he'd stood no chance against pac.. pac was just a different type of n!gga.. anything he said.. you believed him
agreed. AT THAT POINT, jay wasnt in pac's league, even tho the dead or alive diss was heat. arguably, jay wasnt even top five in nyc at that point.
the war of words couldve went either way; pac mightve crushed him. or, if big and pac hadnt of died, it mightve been what propelled jay to king of ny status. ny was fiendin for someone to answer back at that nikka.
Da Boy Junior
11-15-07, 09:38 PM
pac was on another level on that point, Pac was capable of doing another hit em up on jay
ferrari f-50
11-15-07, 09:39 PM
If u got On Demand go check it out Ja said it fa sure
i don't question ja saying that but i do question ja's knowledge.
i don't question ja saying that but i do question ja's knowledge.
He said he was RIGHT THERE...but it is Ja
doinThangz
11-15-07, 10:09 PM
lol @ "I was about to do somethin but...."
no rapper was brave enough to say anything
I respect Mobb Deep
cause they did respond a bit
..but they represent only about .1% of N.Y.
...the rest of the east was
quiet as a mouse
detroit B
11-15-07, 10:13 PM
Aww man.....this n!gga Ja just exposed himself. WTF was he doing hanging wit pacs enemieeeeeess, I thought him and 2Pack were cool.
Obvious Man
11-15-07, 10:13 PM
camel was a non-factor
pac called him a corny soundin' mawfukka and brushed him off like the bum that he was
neverchipsin4weed
11-15-07, 10:14 PM
Ya'll aint seen Ja Rule:The Corner on In Demand on Time Warner digital cable?
Ja: I was there when Jay-Z heard Pac say FUCC JAY-Z,I saw his reaction...when Jay was gettin ready to respond Pac died."
Somethin to that extent.
jay would've won
not b/c he's a better rapper, but b/c the "back in 88, when i was pushin weight, you was a ballerina, i got ur pictures, i've seen ya" line was most likley reserved for pac (with pac in a tutu pictures, and everything)
pac wouldn't have been able to come back from that
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doinThangz
11-15-07, 10:19 PM
jay would've won
not b/c he's a better rapper, but b/c the "back in 88, when i was pushin weight, you was a ballerina, i got ur pictures, i've seen ya" line was most likley reserved for pac (with pac in a tutu pictures, and everything)
pac wouldn't have been able to come back from that
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:laugh:
the only problem being...... no one knew who
jay-z was. 2 pac owned America
when he spoke people listened..
jay-z is big now...but we talkin back in '95-96
RAYDOGG
11-15-07, 10:36 PM
jay would've won
not b/c he's a better rapper, but b/c the "back in 88, when i was pushin weight, you was a ballerina, i got ur pictures, i've seen ya" line was most likley reserved for pac (with pac in a tutu pictures, and everything)
pac wouldn't have been able to come back from that
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:laugh: Jay didn't have the energy like Pac did on 96
hexagram23
11-15-07, 11:23 PM
Here is the straight facts about this situation.
Hussein Fatal said Pac didn't have any real beef with Jay-Z. He said the only reason Pac addressed Jay, is because he seen him as a potential threat, and wanted to squash him before he blew up. I assume by "threat" he means someone from the East who was capable of responding to Death Row, although Fatal also said Pac believed one day Jay would be a star.
On the original version of "Hit 'Em Up" Pac dissed Jay at the end too....the Outlaws told Pac "nah, don't do that, this isn't really about him" because out of all the people dissed on that song, Jay would be the only one Pac didn't really any real beef with. So Pac thought about it and removed the Jay stuff, although later on the unreleased stuff came out anyway.
Here is Part 1 to the Fatal interview, I can't remember which part talks about the Jay sh*t:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vevult-R1g
Fred.
lol @ "I was about to do somethin but...."
no rapper was brave enough to say anything
I respect Mobb Deep
cause they did respond a bit
..but they represent only about .1% of N.Y.
...the rest of the east was
quiet as a mouse
CHINO XL, DMX, King Sun all dissed the hell out of 2Pac in 1995-1996.
"You ain't never seen drama
Fuuck you and your dope fiend mama"
"Still have lipstick on your back if Suge didn't bail ya"
"A ***** with one ball shouldn't speak"
YoungPimpin
11-15-07, 11:36 PM
CHINO XL, DMX, King Sun all dissed the hell out of 2Pac in 1995-1996.
"You ain't never seen drama
Fuuck you and your dope fiend mama"
"Still have lipstick on your back if Suge didn't bail ya"
"A ***** with one ball shouldn't speak"
All bums in 95/96. Wasn't dmx in that made nyggaz video w/ pac tho?
X dissed Pac? What he say?
hexagram23
11-15-07, 11:43 PM
You gotta love Pac stans.
:ohmy: "Nobody had the heart to stand up to Pac when he was alive!"
:dry: "well what about these guys, this song, etc.?"
:confused: "oh well....those guys wasn't selling records so it didn't count".
Listen, if they were relevant enough for Pac to diss evidently somebody knew who they were....and Pac would've heard their diss. So they obviously didn't care about that when they dissed him.
Fred.
CHINO XL, DMX, King Sun all dissed the hell out of 2Pac in 1995-1996.
"You ain't never seen drama
Fuuck you and your dope fiend mama"
"Still have lipstick on your back if Suge didn't bail ya"
"A ***** with one ball shouldn't speak"
they were all non-factors at the time also weren't they!!! pac the only n!gga i can think of that disses n!ggas in the middle of a song about b!tches!!! & no i don't count curtis clown ass!!!
"understand this ain't no n!gga like me/ f_ck jay-z he broke & i smoke daily"
:mad:victim!!!!:mad:
Roid Jones
11-15-07, 11:47 PM
pac was on another level on that point, Pac was capable of doing another hit em up on jay
Ether before Ether :laugh:
Mr. Smoke Weed
11-15-07, 11:50 PM
people drastically overrate pac in that time period
against all odds is drastically over rated
YoungPimpin
11-15-07, 11:50 PM
You gotta love Pac stans.
:ohmy: "Nobody had the heart to stand up to Pac when he was alive!"
:dry: "well what about these guys, this song, etc.?"
:confused: "oh well....those guys wasn't selling records so it didn't count".
Listen, if they were relevant enough for Pac to diss evidently somebody knew who they were....and Pac would've heard their diss. So they obviously didn't care about that when they dissed him.
Fred.
Fred.
Corniest ending to a post ever. Next to nart narr.
Bred.
Mr. Smoke Weed
11-15-07, 11:52 PM
You gotta love Pac stans.
:ohmy: "Nobody had the heart to stand up to Pac when he was alive!"
:dry: "well what about these guys, this song, etc.?"
:confused: "oh well....those guys wasn't selling records so it didn't count".
Listen, if they were relevant enough for Pac to diss evidently somebody knew who they were....and Pac would've heard their diss. So they obviously didn't care about that when they dissed him.
Fred.
yea its just some bullsh1t excuse
people had the heart to get at pac but none of them had the power to do any damage to him!!! the ones that might have been able to do any damage didn't have the heart to diss him!! chino got more recognition from pac dissin' him than any songs he put out at that time!!! i remember hearin' hit 'em up & bein' like "chino who??? who the hell is that???" needless to say no one i knew could even answer the question!!!
:mad:victim!!!!:mad:
NotSoft
11-15-07, 11:57 PM
Ether before Ether :laugh:
Please dont ever put ether on the same level as hitemup...and hexagran up the unreleased version of hitemup...at the end of the day nobody wit sumthin to lose wanted it wit pac...mobb deep wuz kids who didnt know no better...they have the mental abilitys of 12 yr olds so they dont count....far as chino he wuz coppin pleas when he finally met pac,just like nas did,and biggie did...west side
:dry:
We all know camal was shook...:thumbsdow@ja tryna cover up gray hova's L's
YoungPimpin
11-16-07, 12:00 AM
people had the heart to get at pac but none of them had the power to do any damage to him!!! the ones that might have been able to do any damage didn't have the heart to diss him!! chino got more recognition from pac dissin' him than any songs he put out at that time!!! i remember hearin' hit 'em up & bein' like "chino who??? who the hell is that???" needless to say no one i knew could even answer the question!!!
:mad:victim!!!!:mad:
People say chino xl and i hear "fukk u too". Don't know 1 track of that chink or whatever the hell he is.
Classics
11-16-07, 12:03 AM
lol @ "I was about to do somethin but...."
no rapper was brave enough to say anything
I respect Mobb Deep
cause they did respond a bit
..but they represent only about .1% of N.Y.
...the rest of the east was
quiet as a mouse
Yeah you got that sh_t right. Everyone was sh*ttin a brick back then.
camel was a non-factor
pac called him a corny soundin' mawfukka and brushed him off like the bum that he was
lol
true, short and funny.
everything pac said was true. like callin lil kim ugly. kim had to change up her face to look nice.
even tho jay comes off nice on song songs, there's just something about his voice that sounds corny. it especially comes out when he's under pressure like on the radio station with angie when he got ethered lol.
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some other dude says jay-z was a real gangsta and knew real gangstas. if he was that real he'd have gotten arrested and his **** wouldv been on smokingun website.
jay-z is a rapper. a coward that can rap real well about how gangsta he is.
dre is another one. he's a producer. but somehow labelled a gangsta producer.
Sunzoo aka LC
11-16-07, 12:14 AM
You gotta love Pac stans.
:ohmy: "Nobody had the heart to stand up to Pac when he was alive!"
:dry: "well what about these guys, this song, etc.?"
:confused: "oh well....those guys wasn't selling records so it didn't count".
Listen, if they were relevant enough for Pac to diss evidently somebody knew who they were....and Pac would've heard their diss. So they obviously didn't care about that when they dissed him.
Fred.
lol @ you acting like *****s from NY were jumping at the chance to see pac, for one pac had so much love around the east coast that you might end up beefing with *****s in your own back yard going at him, from treach to BBC, **** the outlawz are from JERSEY
nobody was jumping at a chance to get their career ended...and jay did more than just become "the next big thing", he aligned himself with big at a time when they were throwing sublims, check out the vid with jay playing monopoly with big, az and all them "oh the west coast? i heard it's a lot of money out there, i'ma take all of it"
he never had no REAL beef with jay or chino, but he figured since they were on the low talking **** that he'd mention them, much like jay was doing 50, jay was not a real threat, he was an up and commer aligning himself with an enemy (50 used to be down with nas...think about that, now watch how quickly i drop 50)
jay would've won
not b/c he's a better rapper, but b/c the "back in 88, when i was pushin weight, you was a ballerina, i got ur pictures, i've seen ya" line was most likley reserved for pac (with pac in a tutu pictures, and everything)
pac wouldn't have been able to come back from that
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lol pac spoke on his art school in interviews all the time, he never hid that **** from nobody and i really doubt that line was for pac, even if it was...jay did not have the VEHICLE to make that much of a dent, as i said his weak point at that junction of his career was his cadence, he was always a better "rapper" than biggie, lyrically he was much more gifted and complex than biggie was even then let alone now...but why didnt he blow until pac and big died?
for the same reason why dame dash...as a CEO had to be jay's hype man, he was lacking personality and presence, coming at pac on that laid back complex rap **** was not going to get him a win against the biggest rap star on the planet, he would have lost plain and simple
lyrically his diss would have been nicer...mich like drop a gem on em is lyrically > hit em up...but thats not what people would have been paying attention to and you know it, that would be like rakim going at ice cube, there was too much power and influence in pac's voice and flow to fall to someone who was a virtual nobody...without the association with big, i never woulda checked for jay so hard back in the day and i didnt really like him at all til i got older
MalcomGuevera
11-16-07, 12:26 AM
Jay's lucky pac and big died. He'd still be in marcy right now if they were alive.
Thats Fawk'd Up, Jay Always Had Rocafella, He Was Their First Artist, c'mon.
Windex Cleanerz
11-16-07, 12:36 AM
So, my thesis after reading this thread is.
Pac is GOD
Mobb deep are 12 year olds
Chino XL is a wack chink
and Jay-z was shook.
Man, 3 pages of this b/s....let the man rest in peace.
We dont know what would have happened, we can only speculate.
The f*ck Jay-z line was in an interview. So Ja's story actually holds weight.
Chino XL responded to Pac, maybe if some of yall wasnt so concerned with what a dead man has to say you would clean the wax out of your ears and give Chino a chance, dude is dope.
Drop A Gem on them by Mobb Deep is probably one of the most underrated disses of all time.
Pac saw Jay-z as a threat, thats why he dissed him. If Jay would have came back he would have risen to fame either way if Pac or Big never died.
Thats about it.
Bogey_J
11-16-07, 12:38 AM
far as chino he wuz coppin pleas when he finally met pac,just like nas did,and biggie did...west side
I never knew they met...?
when did this happen
ferrari f-50
11-16-07, 12:40 AM
what did dmx say to pac?
what did dmx say to pac?
i heard an old ass live recording of dmx doin' get at me dog at a concert & he said: "transformin' ass n!ggas can get a grip/ a yo for real that n!gga 2pac can suck my d!ck" or what ever the first bar was!!!! other than that i never heard x diss pac!!!
:mad:victim!!!:mad:
Pac Had alot Of Rappers Shook From The East To The West...
NotSoft
11-16-07, 01:18 AM
I never knew they met...?
when did this happen
i dont know but i read it,chino said he and pac met up and squashed it..he explained he wouldna said it if he knew pac would take offense...it really wuznt a diss but pac couldnt understand metaphors wuznt bein used to diss...cuz thats not how he rapped.
Understandin metaphors now i can se where chino xl wuz comin from but implyin sumbody might get raped in jail can be takin as a insult.this interview aint the one i wuz lookin for but its interestin,talks about Chino XL cryin cuz pac wuz the goat...u know u goat when nikkas u merk on wax still cry when u die...Jayz admits he wuz a fan even tho pac wuz ridin on his city and his boy..dmx needs to admit he wuz a pac stan
http://www.dancharnas.com/2006/11/pac-me-and-chi.html
Art Barr
11-16-07, 01:23 AM
people drastically overrate pac in that time period
against all odds is drastically over rated
on the real
art barr
and your opinion is null :dry:
on the real
art barr
So...
Biggie,Chino XL,Mobb Deep,King Sun,DMX responded to Pac.
Jay-Z would do the same thing if pac didnt die.
Nas found about about the diss one week before it came out.
Now,where are these rappers who were afraid of 2pac?
Sooooo I guess you have revisionist history.....Biggie did sub's but never called him out straight, Chino XL was more for metaphorical battle raps, Mobb Deep...good diss, King Sun (who? lol) DMX was probably on crack when he did his diss live. Son..do your history :dry: I know you :mad:
So...
Biggie,Chino XL,Mobb Deep,King Sun,DMX responded to Pac.
Jay-Z would do the same thing if pac didnt die.
Nas found about about the diss one week before it came out.
Now,where are these rappers who were afraid of 2pac?
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