American Gangster >> Kingdom Come, but cane someone please explain how KC is wack????

[eckohed]

We can all agree that KC isn't Jay's best effort, but how the fucck did it get branded as wack???

Production is ridiculous and Jay is on point through most of it. Dig a Hole, Hollywood and Anything are the only weak tracks to me. I can agree that he wasn't in touch with the streets as much thematically, but that's just what his lifestyle had been like, and the overall quality of the music didn't go down that much to me.

The negative response to this album basically just reflects how many haters are out there. Critics basically hated on Jay because it became the cool thing to do. If the streets had been buzzin about it, they would have been on Jays di<k.

[RaeDaChef]

I don't understand this either..

album was hot as fukk to me except for 2/3 tracks

even contained some classics like Lost Ones & Kingdom Come

[Zayus]

Track by track
Prelude - yes
Oh My God - yes
Kingdom Come - yes
Show Me What You Got - awful lyrics
Lost One - Yes
Do You Wanna Ride - boring
30 Something - boring
I Made It - generic and boring
Anything - just bad
Hollywood - yes
Trouble - What the fukk is that sound? It's terrible
Dig A Hole - No
Minority Report - partial yes, too late and very overdone
Beach Chair - Fantastic

Half the album was wack. Jay's lyrics were probably their weakest since 2000 on the album too. If you like the album, great. Most people don't. And honestly, if you think it's great ask yourself how much you listen to it. I barely touch the album apart from the 6 songs I like.

[Micgnatize]

We can all agree that KC isn't Jay's best effort, but how the fucck did it get branded as wack???
Production is ridiculous and Jay is on point through most of it. Dig a Hole, Hollywood and Anything are the only weak tracks to me. I can agree that he wasn't in touch with the streets as much thematically, but that's just what his lifestyle had been like, and the overall quality of the music didn't go down that much to me.
The negative response to this album basically just reflects how many haters are out there. Critics basically hated on Jay because it became the cool thing to do. If the streets had been buzzin about it, they would have been on Jays di<k.
...

dude just no one liked it. it was boring.. people come to jay for fun songs..rythmic songs..party and witty songs. he went left and tried to do a social/ political awareness album and it came out half ass.

its not hate..it's taste and that one sucked..

Ba= great
KC = balls
AG = very good.

[TheY2DreProblem]

Jay-z raps about coke : hes 40 i dont wanna hear that, dude is rich as hell.
Jay-Z doesn't rap about coke: I'm not trying to hear him rap about being rich and that grown up sh*t.

[Regulate94]

minutes a few tracks KG was straight...people r just dumb

[checkman]

Track by track
Prelude - yes
Oh My God - yes
Kingdom Come - yes
Show Me What You Got - awful lyrics
Lost One - Yes
Do You Wanna Ride - boring
30 Something - boring
I Made It - generic and boring
Anything - just bad
Hollywood - yes
Trouble - What the fukk is that sound? It's terrible
Dig A Hole - No
Minority Report - partial yes, too late and very overdone
Beach Chair - Fantastic

Half the album was wack. Jay's lyrics were probably their weakest since 2000 on the album too. If you like the album, great. Most people don't. And honestly, if you think it's great ask yourself how much you listen to it. I barely touch the album apart from the 6 songs I like.

do you wanna ride,trouble,and dig a hole are wack and hollywood is good?worst review I ever saw

hollywood and the song with usher are the worst songs on the album,other than that its classic

[Regulate94]

Jay-z raps about coke : hes 40 i dont wanna hear that, dude is rich as hell.
Jay-Z doesn't rap about coke: I'm not trying to hear him rap about being rich and that grown up sh*t.


this could be the most truthfully most about jay's fans stans n haters ever

[Zayus]

do you wanna ride,trouble,and dig a hole are wack and hollywood is good?worst review I ever saw
hollywood and the song with usher are the worst songs on the album,other than that its classic

Do You Wanna Ride = could have been done better
Dig A Hole, Trouble = Should never have been made

Hollywood is as much of a 'pop' song as Jay's ever done, doesn't mean it's not hot. That beat is fantastic and it's probably the 2nd Jay/Beyonce song I actually like.

[skaybn]

co-sign threadstarter.

[checkman]

Do You Wanna Ride = could have been done better
Dig A Hole, Trouble = Should never have been made
Hollywood is as much of a 'pop' song as Jay's ever done, doesn't mean it's not hot. That beat is fantastic and it's probably the 2nd Jay/Beyonce song I actually like.

I disagree...but its all good

[SouthernHipHopHead]

Kingdom Come wasn't wack...it's just not what people wanted.

[Micgnatize]

it aint wack..but it aint phat either.

rating an album 3/5 means its good enough to bump for a while...

but no where near classic.

its a 3.. I bumped it for a month and got tired of skipping songs.

[step_one]

compared to the other shyt on the radio, it aint wack..
but compared to the shyt i listen to on the reg... it was horrible.

[MACADO]

Kingdom Come and The Big Babg = The Most hated on Dope albums ever.

["BIGBRUHBRUH"]

KC Jays worst album...Concepts were weak and production was garbage..The songs with Beyonce and Usher should have never made the albumm.. It was overall just uninspired sounding i was very disappointed in that album haven't put in the deck in a while..

[TurbulentMonk]

jay's delivery and subject matter were questionable.

[eckohed]

production was garbage...
???
Prelude
Do U Wanna Ride
Show Me What You Got
Kingdom Come
Oh My God
Trouble
Minority Report
Beach Chair
Lost One

On anyone else's album, most of those would be considered a standout or even classic beat.

[eckohed]

Kingdom Come and The Big Babg = The Most hated on Dope albums ever.
Big Bang was damn near classic. Production was nuts

[Mandizi]

Track by track
Prelude - classic
Oh My God - wack
Kingdom Come - hot
Show Me What You Got - cool
Lost One - classic
Do You Wanna Ride - average
30 Something - ok
I Made It - good
Anything - wack
Hollywood - good
Trouble - weak
Dig A Hole - hot
Minority Report - ok
Beach Chair - classic




I give KC and AG both 3.5 mics.

[danja29]

The thing I don't get about it being considered "wack" is that when people name the wack songs on the album it's almost always the same two songs- the one w/ Beyonce and the one w/ Usher. I wish more albums would only have TWO consensus weak songs.

I don't think the album is wack, it's just extremely average for a Jay album, especially a COMEBACK album. For him to have gone all that time w/o a solo album, and judgin' by the little songs/freestyles he'd done since the Black Album, everybody was lookin' for somethin' CRAZY. What we got instead was some very good songs, some mediocre ones, some decent ones, and some wack ones. It just sounded to me like half of his heart was in it- the other half, not so much. So to me that's why people see it as "wack".

[GOD420]

It was wack off the strength of me skipping about 5 tracks on first listen and having to force myself to listen to the album in entirety each time after that.

[Green Lantern]

Kingdom Come and The Big Babg = The Most hated on Dope albums ever.


Big Bang >> KC


How do you get 4 Dre tracks, and 1.5 are hot?

["BIGBRUHBRUH"]

???
Prelude
Do U Wanna Ride
Show Me What You Got
Kingdom Come
Oh My God
Trouble
Minority Report
Beach Chair
Lost One
On anyone else's album, most of those would be considered a standout or even classic beat.



Didn't like these tracks either...also add Dig a Hole garbage production.

[Tybo]

3.5/5
not bad, not great

[eckohed]

Didn't like these tracks either...also add Dig a Hole garbage production.
Damn I honestly can't understand how "Kingdom Come" woudlnt be seen as a hot ass beat. When I first heard that instrumental on JB's myspace I was like :ohmy: for like an hour.

Dig a Hole was a weak beat cant argue with that.

[K-Matic]

KC stills sh1ts on most records but it was very underwhelming when you take into consideration other music in his discography.

[aka 80's Kid]

Of course KC is not wack. Its a solid album. Definetly not classic, but solid. Theres a few things u need to understand:

1. Jay is held to the highest standard of any rapper.

2. A lot of todays audience is very young, and yes a lot of it went over their heads. Do you expect the same people that love Soulja Boy to really feel a Jay-Z album?

3. With the dominance of the internet, the haters have a voice. When they all post their opinions on various sites, you see them enough, some might actually start to believe it.

4. Expectations all around were super-high. Anything less that Reasonable Doubt or Blueprint was gonna be a disappointment.

[Zayus]

Of course KC is not wack. Its a solid album. Definetly not classic, but solid. Theres a few things u need to understand:
1. Jay is held to the highest standard of any rapper.
2. A lot of todays audience is very young, and yes a lot of it went over their heads. Do you expect the same people that love Soulja Boy to really feel a Jay-Z album?
3. With the dominance of the internet, the haters have a voice. When they all post their opinions on various sites, you see them enough, some might actually start to believe it.
4. Expectations all around were super-high. Anything less that Reasonable Doubt or Blueprint was gonna be a disappointment.

Hold on - I'll agree with points 1 and 4 but 2 and 3 are bullsh!t. You're in no position to dictate what people will like/will not like and 'haters' is the 2nd most abused term on these boards (after classic). The fact of the matter is that KC, regardless of the expecations and the standard we hold Jay to, wasn't that good. There are much better albums out there by less well known artists. I can name over 50 albums (from all genre's) from 2006 that has KC beat. This is coming from a Jay fan as well.

You like what you like but don't use the hater excuse for people who disagree with you.

[Legendary]

We can all agree that KC isn't Jay's best effort, but how the fucck did it get branded as wack???
Production is ridiculous and Jay is on point through most of it. Dig a Hole, Hollywood and Anything are the only weak tracks to me. I can agree that he wasn't in touch with the streets as much thematically, but that's just what his lifestyle had been like, and the overall quality of the music didn't go down that much to me.
The negative response to this album basically just reflects how many haters are out there. Critics basically hated on Jay because it became the cool thing to do. If the streets had been buzzin about it, they would have been on Jays di<k.

I agree...I can listen it the whole way through. Its not for everyone, but if your a mature person than you would realize its a solid effort from jay

[POINT84]

the album is nice as ****...for me the problem was there like 3 songs on there that were just incredibly awful that it completely threw everything off balance. That usher joint, damn...I cant even see Chingy put somethin like that on his album.

"Do you wanna ride" crazy..couldnt care less what anyone on here thinks

[King Joe]

do you wanna ride,trouble,and dig a hole are wack and hollywood is good?worst review I ever saw
hollywood and the song with usher are the worst songs on the album,other than that its classic

c/s
lmao @ hollywood bein good and trouble bad

[Ibn al War]

Prelude - cool. Hate that drum pattern though. Overused.
Oh My God - nice
Kingdom Come - hate this. The game would be fine without him. That drum pattern again.
Show Me What You Got - Lyrics were crap. Beat was decent. Good club song. Better than the rest of this bull**** out now.
Lost One - his delivery was kinda weak on this one. Still good overall.
Do You Wanna Ride - boring as hell.
30 Something - One of the worst songs on the album. I don't want to hear a 30 something man on some Rugrats tip talking about he's "all grown up". If you think you have to tell me that, you're telling me a whole lot more about yourself than you thought.
I Made It - Beautiful, poignant.
Anything - Crap
Hollywood - Meh.
Trouble - Bland as hell. WTF was with Mark Batson giving Jay that weak piano beat. And what the hell is wrong with Jay for picking it.
Dig A Hole - Weak. The original beat took all types of dumps on this b.s. And that prick on the chorus annoyed me to the point that I wanted to reach through the speakers and choke him.
Minority Report - One of the most annoying things about the current Jay to me, is the way he says stuff. Sounds like somebody kicked him in his nuts. That ruined this and many other songs of his for me.
Beach Chair - Excellent. However, I don't give a **** that you've never been on Myspace. WTF was the point of that line? To prove how grown up he was? That line ****ed with me for a while, but I got over it.


Weak album in my opinion. The problem isn't that people aren't mature enough to "understand where he's coming from". Some people, like myself, just weren't entertained or enlightened. It's not that complex.

[King Joe]

Prelude - cool. Hate that drum pattern though. Overused.
Oh My God - nice
Kingdom Come - hate this. The game would be fine without him. That drum pattern again.
Show Me What You Got - Lyrics were crap. Beat was decent. Good club song. Better than the rest of this bull**** out now.
Lost One - his delivery was kinda weak on this one. Still good overall.
Do You Wanna Ride - boring as hell.
30 Something - One of the worst songs on the album. I don't want to hear a 30 something man on some Rugrats tip talking about he's "all grown up". If you think you have to tell me that, you're telling me a whole lot more about yourself than you thought.
I Made It - Beautiful, poignant.
Anything - Crap
Hollywood - Meh.
Trouble - Bland as hell. WTF was with Mark Batson giving Jay that weak piano beat. And what the hell is wrong with Jay for picking it.
Dig A Hole - Weak. The original beat took all types of dumps on this b.s. And that prick on the chorus annoyed me to the point that I wanted to reach through the speakers and choke him.
Minority Report - One of the most annoying things about the current Jay to me, is the way he says stuff. Sounds like somebody kicked him in his nuts. That ruined this and many other songs of his for me.
Beach Chair - Excellent. However, I don't give a **** that you've never been on Myspace. WTF was the point of that line? To prove how grown up he was? That line ****ed with me for a while, but I got over it.


Weak album in my opinion. The problem isn't that people aren't mature enough to "understand where he's coming from". Some people, like myself, just weren't entertained or enlightened. It's not that complex.

wasnt trouble a dre beat?

[Classics]

Track by track
Prelude - Best track on the album
Oh My God - Decent
Kingdom Come - Singing made it wack
Show Me What You Got - This is Jay-Z
Lost One - No
Do You Wanna Ride -No
30 Something - I'm not 30
I Made It - We knew that on Volume 3
Anything - Forced
Hollywood - Forced
Trouble - Dope track.
Dig A Hole - Wack beat and wacker track.
Minority Report - Jay-Z aint teh guy to be makin this song
Beach Chair - Not rap music.

My problem with this album is that it aint made for his audience. He made it for himself. Who else can relate to being a 30 summing year old rich guy who has assets and insecurities about his woman's fame.

[eckohed]

My problem with this album is that it aint made for his audience. He made it for himself. Who else can relate to being a 30 summing year old rich guy who has assets and insecurities about his woman's fame.

That argument is retarded. That's like sayin you can't relate to Scarface unless youre a sociopath slangin millions worth of yay. People shouldn't cater to their audience either stupid, that's how you get bullsh1t music.

[TheVoice315]

n1ggas sayin they dont like albums cause of drum patterns????....wow

[TheT Organization]

co-sign threadstarter.

[Ibn al War]

n1ggas sayin they dont like albums cause of drum patterns????....wow


That and garbage ass concepts, weak delivery/subject matter, bland lyrics, and lackluster production, yeah. Songs by the way, not albums.

[Meteret1]

It was decent. I just didn't find it that interesting, to be honest. And the fact that he's tried to sell it as "mature" is laughable.

[Classics]

That argument is retarded. That's like sayin you can't relate to Scarface unless youre a sociopath slangin millions worth of yay. People shouldn't cater to their audience either stupid, that's how you get bullsh1t music.


Ok homie. Thats a come up story; thats why we relate to that. Godfather was one also.

So do you think Godfather 2 would have been as good if the movie if Michael wasn't the Godfather and his problems included marital issues and winning over losing his son and brother Sonny? No. I can't relate to that... no one can. You can't alienate your audience no matter what. Why you think he went right back to basics for his next album and now everyone is feeling it.

The man only speaks on 5 topics an album. Kingdom Come was about how he feels about the game without him (which didn't collapse), denying all rumors, then trying to maintain his relationship with Beyonce, dissing all the young rappers, and he made 2 songs with feeling I Made It & Do U Wanna Ride (both of which was sweet as hell).

Besides that his beats wasn't good... besides Prelude, Kingdom Come, and Trouble; I wouldn't spit on none of that nor do I hear him on any of them other beats.

[Semaj_24]

I thought KC was good...but it was just a little sleepy towards the end. The good tracks were strong though so I thought nothing of it.

I haven't skipped a single track on AG.