Im sorry but Biggie Smalls cannot be mentioned when talking Best of All Time

[Karim Kharbouch]

I love Big to death peeps, so this aint a hate thread, but Biggie just cant be considered when talking about the best ever. Plain and simple he catalouge is far to short and thin. We only have 2 albums to judge him off of. No one can be considered the best in their profession after on 2 attempts....You cant call a teacher the best after only 2 years. We couldnt call Jordan the best after only 2 years....Ali couldnt be the best after only his 2nd heavyweight fight.

[MyNamezJon]

u coulda kept this thread all to yaself b

[RiotGang]

:spawn:

[Kid-Wave]

guess i agree with u for once, i hate lookin at ppls top ten lists or w/e and seein big in top 3, wth is that

[Mandizi]

4th best ever.

[Karim Kharbouch]

u coulda kept this thread all to yaself b
Yet, Jon you are the 1st post....


It musta hit close to home, huh

[fatboy Simms]

:spawn:

:smurf:

what time the pats play sunday?

[Karim Kharbouch]

4th best ever.
That is more like it....
I can rock with that

[MyNamezJon]

Yet, Jon you are the 1st post....
It musta hit close to home, huh

ooooooor u juss make some stupid a$s posts 4 no reason

[Osiel]

i swear, you make some of the stupidest fukkin threads on the internet.

[Karim Kharbouch]

guess i agree with u for once, i hate lookin at ppls top ten lists or w/e and seein big in top 3, wth is that
yea, I love Big to death man.
But he just cant be considered
and I done bought Ready to Die 5 times on cd and Life and Death twice, I lose em, get stole and just buy em again.....

[Karim Kharbouch]

ooooooor u juss make some stupid a$s posts 4 no reason
:laugh::laugh:
and he posted again, meaning he camping out here...
just drop ur opinion on the topic and keep it moving homie, no need to derail such a bad thread remember :laugh:

[Kid-Wave]

after*

["BIGBRUHBRUH"]

:laugh::laugh:
and he posted again, meaning he camping out here...
just drop ur opinion on the topic and keep it moving homie, no need to derail such a bad thread remember :laugh:



What so bad about the thread?? I agree whole heartedly with him.. BIG ain't got enough material period to be ranked as the best...

[Bondz]

ooooooor u juss make some stupid a$s posts 4 no reason


thread died as well...sad attempt for attention.





R.I.P. brother B.I.G.

[Karim Kharbouch]

What so bad about the thread?? I agree whole heartedly with him.. BIG ain't got enough material period to be ranked as the best...
nothing wrong with it. just Big Biggie fans thinking Im talking down but I aint, just telling the truth

[Classics]

You right. That catalogue was short, but the fact that he put out 2 classics. He's batting 2/2... thats 100%.

Now he gets all that credit. He the only rapper to have ever only released classics and he has the best Debut and sophomore albums together ever for a 1 and 2, plus between 95-97 he was the... drum roll...... best rapper alive. Now only that last point is debatable.

[Karim Kharbouch]

You right. That catalogue was short, but the fact that he put out 2 classics. He's batting 2/2... thats 100%.

Now he gets all that credit. He the only rapper to have ever only released classics and he has the best Debut and sophomore albums together ever for a 1 and 2, plus between 95-97 he was the... drum roll...... best rapper alive. Now only that last point is debatable.
Ready to die certified......Life After Death, not the same impact. Its not unanimous on that one. Even if it was 2 albums is waaay to short to earn the crown against a cat like Jay who did it for at least 4+ years, which judges a very important factor of consistency

[Allegreenery]

Pound for Pound BIG is the best (no pun intended)

but due to his short career, he drops down a couple notches

Jay-Z wouldnt be who he is if BIG hadnt passed

[Karim Kharbouch]

Pound for Pound BIG is the best (no pun intended)
but due to his short career, he drops down a couple notches
Jay-Z wouldnt be who he is if BIG hadnt passed
Yea that may be true, but what happened happened. The same could be said about Big

[FuriousStyles1]

LAD is not a classic. Should have only been 1 disc, then it would have been classic. and threadstarter has a point. Need more than 2 albums to be considered the absolute best ever, if not, I'm nominating D.O.C. before his voice died as GOAT.
No One Can Do It Better.

[FuriousStyles1]

Ready to die certified......Life After Death, not the same impact. Its not unanimous on that one. Even if it was 2 albums is waaay to short to earn the crown against a cat like Jay who did it for at least 4+ years, which judges a very important factor of consistency
and Jay falls well behind Cube who has been doing it since the mid 80s, with a far greater impact than any album Jay has dropped. With that said, Jay is sick with it.

[Insane Sony]

biggie is number 1

[Knowl]

People don't like to admit it, but it's true....

I mean I think Biggie was a great emcee, and a better artist than people give him credit for. He was much more than just a hot 16, he was an awesome story teller, had impecable flow and delivery, and had the versatility to spit with anybody on any type of record.

But the thread starter is right, 2 albums ain't enough to compete against the catalogues of the greats.

Biggie came in at a time where west coast hip hop was dominating the charts and the airplay and NY was jealous to be real about it. So when Biggie came out and was able to bring some of the light back to the east, New York rallied behind him.

My personal top 5, in no particular order, is Pac, Nas, Ra, Cube, and Jay. There's no way you can compare Biggie's 2 albums to these artists long list of accomplishments.

[Illkiller2]

Biggie did a lot in 2 cd's... and when he died he was geting better...

Plus..


I'm seeing body after body and our mayor Guiliani
ain't tryin to see no black man turn to John Gotti
My daughter use a potty so she's older now
Educated street knowledge I'ma mold 'er now
Trick a little dough buyin young girls fringes
Dealin with the dope fiend binges, seein syringes
in the vein; hard to explain, how I maintain
The crack smoke make my brain feel so strange
Breakin days on the set, no sweat
Drunk off Moet, can't bag yet because it's still wet
But when that dry, baggin five at a time
I can clock about nine on the check cashin line
I had the first and the third; rehearse that's my word
Thick in the game, D's knew my first name
Should I quit? **** no! Even though they had me scared
Yo they got a eight, I gotta teck with air holes..

the flow.... the story telling.... the lyrics.. yeah...

[FuriousStyles1]

Biggie did a lot in 2 cd's... and when he died he was geting better...

Cube did much more in 2. so whats your point?

[boombche_stum]

Cube did much more in 2. so whats your point?

I love Cube, he's in my top 10 no doubt. But I could argue Dre had more impact than him with ONE CD. And best believe you shouldn't short change the impact Biggie had on the East Coast.

[Illkiller2]

Cube did much more in 2. so whats your point?


no... no he didnt.......


Biggie changed the RAP GAME with 2 cd's... cube didnt....

[The Nastiest]

I'm gonna have to agree

[FuriousStyles1]

no... no he didnt.......
Biggie changed the RAP GAME with 2 cd's... cube didnt....:laugh::laugh::laugh:


yea, you're right, Straight Outta Compton, Amerikkkas Most Wanted and Death Certificate were all a figment of my feeble imagination.


:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[FuriousStyles1]

I love Cube, he's in my top 10 no doubt. But I could argue Dre had more impact than him with ONE CD. And best believe you shouldn't short change the impact Biggie had on the East Coast.

Cube influenced an entire nation,not just one coast.

Dre and Cube were both on SOC, which is far more impactful than any of their solos, combined.

[Mr.Peanut=Pimp]

most of the "best" only have 2 great albums anyways.

[Illkiller2]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
yea, you're right, Straight Outta Compton, Amerikkkas Most Wanted and Death Certificate were all a figment of my feeble imagination.
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

nah you bugging god...... Straight Outta Compton, Amerikkkas Most Wanted and Death Certificate didnt impact the game like Ready to die or Life after death did.... them cd's switched up the flow of the game....

[TheY2DreProblem]

I agree.

[Karim Kharbouch]

most of the "best" only have 2 great albums anyways.
No.
Pac had more than that
Ice Cube
JayZ
TI
Rakim
Krs One
Scarfce
I could keep going

[MyNamezJon]

No.
Pac had more than that
Ice Cube
JayZ
TI
Rakim
Krs One
Scarfce
I could keep going

:rolleyes:

mods... please step in on this 1

[Karim Kharbouch]

and Jay falls well behind Cube who has been doing it since the mid 80s, with a far greater impact than any album Jay has dropped. With that said, Jay is sick with it.
Hard Knock Life was a pretty impactful cd. That 1 could be argued

[Karim Kharbouch]

:rolleyes:
mods... please step in on this 1
Trap Musik - Great Album
King- Great Album
Urban Legend - Great Album

[MyNamezJon]

Trap Musik - Great Album
King- Great Album
Urban Legend - Great Album

ti vs tip is also a great album imo... but this thread is about best of ALL TIME isn't it?

ti = :king: of south.. arguably... lets not get carried away

[Karim Kharbouch]

ti vs tip is also a great album imo... but this thread is about best of ALL TIME isn't it?

ti = :king: of south.. arguably... lets not get carried away
well that furthered the point, thanks...
I was responding the the guy that said "most greats ONLY have 2 great albums" so I just randomly listed peeps right off hand that I knew had more.

[Insane Sony]

Biggie Number 1 rapper of all time
close thread

[MyNamezJon]

Biggie Number 1 rapper of all time
close thread

:yes:

and if hov aint better than big, he the closest 1

nas n pac can fight for 3rd

and karim... u can pen t.i. in sumwhere in the mid 30s

[Karim Kharbouch]

:yes:

and if hov aint better than big, he the closest 1

nas n pac can fight for 3rd

and karim... u can pen t.i. in sumwhere in the mid 30s
Pac off top #1
TI Top 20

[MyNamezJon]

pac best song is part time mutha :dry:

[EVIL]

nah you bugging god...... Straight Outta Compton, Amerikkkas Most Wanted and Death Certificate didnt impact the game like Ready to die or Life after death did.

:laugh: ....WTF....ice cube was a one of a kind and could not be duplicated and back in those days if you copied another rapper you were a fukkin biter and quickly ejected out the rap game before your career even took off,thats why nobody tried to sound like ice cube as far as impact goes but you betta believe cube had the whole music industry on lock.that fool was dissin the fukk out of famous rappers and jackin their beats them fools didnt say shyt back.

[Karim Kharbouch]

pac best song is part time mutha :dry:
Dear Momma
or
High Till I Die

[T.N.C.]

You right. That catalogue was short, but the fact that he put out 2 classics. He's batting 2/2... thats 100%.

Now he gets all that credit. He the only rapper to have ever only released classics and he has the best Debut and sophomore albums together ever for a 1 and 2, plus between 95-97 he was the... drum roll...... best rapper alive. Now only that last point is debatable.


Ice Cube's AMW & DC > BIG's RTD and LAD


BIG was possible the best POTENTIAL emcee ever as he had the total package, but due to his death, he never got the opportunity to live up to his potential

[fucthat]

whats the universally agreed upon hip hop minimum for number of albums to be in the running for GOAT again? i keep forgetting, someone remind me why a rapper cant prove himself with 2 albums.....


but i guess using this logic Sam Cooke should not be mentioned with the best musicians since he too had passed before he had a large body of work.

[FuriousStyles1]

whats the universally agreed upon hip hop minimum for number of albums to be in the running for GOAT again? i keep forgetting, someone remind me why a rapper cant prove himself with 2 albums.....


but i guess using this logic Sam Cooke should not be mentioned with the best musicians since he too had passed before he had a large body of work.

You're missing the point. More artists did MORE work, with MORE albums. Big did 2. Thats a pretty low number compared to artists with more classical and timeless works. As I've stated before, lets put D.O.C. in the GOAT convo simply because of No One Can Do It Better.:thumbsdow

See how stupid that sounds?

[NotSoft]

^that would be Kurupt,Crooked I and Stack Bundles when we talkin superior potential...i asked Biggie fans to name a song by biggie wit deeper content than Plies 100 yrs,Runnin My Mama Crazy,god im tired of lyin to u...and guess what...the cowards ran out shook as hell cuz they couldnt...they wuz respondin like mad men until i asked that question then the puzzys couldnt handle.