Nas Flow on Success = non-existant

[bladescar]

i think sometimes this cat tries to hard to say sh1t, it comes out foolish sounding. either that, or he layed vocals before the beat was down, which is amateur sh1t, nas needs to step his game up a lil better sometimes.... im not sayin he lost, but his flow lost on that song. which made his content lack...he my 2nd favorite but the n1gga has no confidence in his swagger really:yes:

[Micgnatize]

i think sometimes this cat tries to hard to say sh1t, it comes out foolish sounding. either that, or he layed vocals before the beat was down, which is amateur sh1t, nas needs to step his game up a lil better sometimes.... im not sayin he lost, but his flow lost on that song. which made his content lack...he my 2nd favorite but the n1gga has no confidence in his swagger really:yes:


you cant follow the flow without he drum patern?

[TheGhostOfSHAWN22]

i think sometimes this cat tries to hard to say sh1t, it comes out foolish sounding. either that, or he layed vocals before the beat was down, which is amateur sh1t, nas needs to step his game up a lil better sometimes.... im not sayin he lost, but his flow lost on that song. which made his content lack...he my 2nd favorite but the n1gga has no confidence in his swagger really:yes:


Are You Serious? Nas Killed That Song Viciously... U Need 2 Die:mad:

[Young Pistola]

the beat was wack...that's why

[bladescar]

if you think Nas flowed better on that beat then Jigga i dont kno what planet you'z birthed on.

Nas couldnt follow the beat for sh1t....no stan, just give it another listen, everyone who i let hear it said the same.

even if you felt the beat was whack, Nas just rode it poorly.

i thought the beat was mediocre to good. better then most beats n1ggas throw on they albums.

[MAD PSYCHE]

Duke Right Nas Is My Favorite But Jay's Flow Was So Sick Nas Should Have Danced On The Track To
Instead He Just Spit
Thats Why Nas Will Never Be On Top
He Just Spits
He Does It Good
But.....
And That Beat Is Hard As Fvck

[doeboy]

i think sometimes this cat tries to hard to say sh1t, it comes out foolish sounding. either that, or he layed vocals before the beat was down, which is amateur sh1t, nas needs to step his game up a lil better sometimes.... im not sayin he lost, but his flow lost on that song. which made his content lack...he my 2nd favorite but the n1gga has no confidence in his swagger really:yes:you cats kill me with all the "....and so in so is 1 of my fav rappers" talk, as if that makes what youre saying fact or something. i dont even necessarily disagree with everything youre saying because the part where he's saying "to receive is gr8, but i lust giving" did kind of seem to be off beat, but he got right back on and finished off pretty well. he had a lot of confidence in his swagger tho and thats what made his verse ill, he just didnt say too much.

[NV-n-ME]

neither one of them killed the beat flow wise. nas had a better verse.

if its flow you wish for, listen to sweet. its one of the only tracks where jay really kills rides the beat like he used to.

[bladescar]

you cats kill me with all the "....and so in so is 1 of my fav rappers" talk, as if that makes what youre saying fact or something. i dont even necessarily disagree with everything youre saying because the part where he's saying "to receive is gr8, but i lust giving" did kind of seem to be off beat, but he got right back on and finished off pretty well. he had a lot of confidence in his swagger tho and thats what made his verse ill, he just didnt say too much.


look most of us cats in here grew up on nas and jay so naturally they gone be our 1-2.... i dont really fukz with rakim and all that ****, cause i wasnt carein bout rap then, (im 24) all i know is Nas had some good bars,but good bars dont matter if you cant ride the beat... your favorite backpack rapper has the same desease (not yours specifically but- most backpack dudes in general)

[War Word]

neither one of them killed the beat flow wise. nas had a better verse.
if its flow you wish for, listen to sweet. its one of the only tracks where jay really kills rides the beat like he used to.

you are crazy. jay made nas sound like an amature.

[bladescar]

neither one of them killed the beat flow wise. nas had a better verse.
if its flow you wish for, listen to sweet. its one of the only tracks where jay really kills rides the beat like he used to.


i dont know what you think flow is - but flow is how you carry your rhymes through the beat, everyone knows Jay is the champ at this so you even saying something like this lets me know your rap Ear is limited.

No insult but you need to listen better...if you can look forward to one think on a jay album its flow, even if he dont say sh1t in a song, trust... hes gonna ride the beat like a b1tch after poppin two E's

[illone21]

The joint is sick but, there always a lil' something missing when cats don't record in the studio together. You take a Jay and Biggie cut or G. Rap with Nas and you can just feel it.

[NV-n-ME]

one of jay's strong points is still his flow, but its below his standards lately and success is just another example. yall can lie to yourself if you like, but you know its true. wayne is where jay was around bp1 as far as flow. he shows flashes (aforementioned sweet), but there's just something missing.

[MAD PSYCHE]

Stop It His Flow Was Sick
If You Know How To Flow On Beat You Would Realize How Well Jay Was Dancing On It

[bladescar]

The joint is sick but, there always a lil' something missing when cats don't record in the studio together. You take a Jay and Biggie cut or G. Rap with Nas and you can just feel it.

i agree, but at the same time, even with that one thing missing they still the best collabo period - since biggie/Jay or a old AZ/nas

[bladescar]

one of jay's strong points is still his flow, but its below his standards lately and success is just another example. yall can lie to yourself if you like, but you know its true. wayne is where jay was around bp1 as far as flow. he shows flashes (aforementioned sweet), but there's just something missing.

wayne doesnt flow correct, if you know how to rap yourself you can appreciate me making that quote.

he just jumps on sh1t and gets lost in the beat sometimes.

[Woody Paige]

man both of those dudes had trouble keeping up on it

[bladescar]

man both of those dudes had trouble keeping up on it


naaa Jay ripped someone a new ass wit that subliminal verse (dehaven?)

[Kingofkings]

Nas does not have a good flow, and can't ride all beats, thats why he couldt read this so hood. But with nas lyrics and the way spit the words he still killed it.

[~*:: AkaDemiK ::*~]

nas is my fav. mc and dude has a point, his flow wasnt polished on that...liek he tried to cram too much lyrics in his bars, hov had the mor epolished flow..nas lyrics tho were better..

[Woody Paige]

naaa Jay ripped someone a new ass wit that subliminal verse (dehaven?)


verses were hot

but I think the beat was too much for them

[~*:: AkaDemiK ::*~]

btw the drums on the beat were confusin..so ion blame em..

[Micgnatize]

Nas does not have a good flow, and can't ride all beats, thats why he couldt read this so hood. But with nas lyrics and the way spit the words he still killed it.


dude.. they took the drumline out...and since the sample is not a 2 bar sample, it seems like nas is not staying on the beat.. but in reality the sample is what is going eveywhere, his flow stayed the same.

[bladescar]

dude.. they took the drumline out...and since the sample is not a 2 bar sample, it seems like nas is not staying on the beat.. but in reality the sample is what is going eveywhere, his flow stayed the same.


i think they took the drumline out to help nas bars sound better, without tellin him, "a yo nas like...my dude fix dat sh1t" i think thats one of the problems you gone have when you dealin wit two industry giants on one track.

cause u have one-take hov and ughh Nas...

[TheGhostOfSHAWN22]

cause u have one-take hov and ughh Nas...



Stan Alert :thumbsdow

[Stugotz94]

what the hell you people talking about?

first off, Nas flow is an off-beat flow that's on beat, he rides the beat later, like Snoop, but in a different way. Not in a bad way though. Kinda how John Bonham was an off-beat drummer.

Listen to the vocals on Success, Nas hits his snares perfectly.

u fools are nuts.

Nas killed that beat better than Jay

Jay was constructed his verse to pause every 4 bars in his lyrics while Nas verse was straight thru over the beat.

On a beat like that, that is way harder to do.

Nas killed that shhit

[ILLFiL A BLuNT]

see only reason you think this is cuz your a jigga stan hands down

if you would've said something fair like "yo I think jay had the better verse" I might agree

but you said nas had no flow on the song

lol @ you putting a standard on no drums, the sample played for like 30 seconds

and he blacked out while it did

"I got a place in the trump I only slept in once" = "google earth nas"

I stamp this thread STANNED

[bladescar]

see only reason you think this is cuz your a jigga stan hands down
if you would've said something fair like "yo I think jay had the better verse" I might agree
but you said nas had no flow on the song
lol @ you putting a standard on no drums, the sample played for like 30 seconds
and he blacked out while it did
"I got a place in the trump I only slept in once" = "google earth nas"
I stamp this thread STANNED

you the first n1gga to come in here with the stan bullsh1t... just because nas was off-beat, someone is a stan? naa blame Nas, he gotta come better on the beat.

and the person who said nas flow - is a off-beat/on (wtf? lol) beat flow needs to just give up life....this is Rap, you either rap with the beat, or its best to leave it alone. and the fact you made a comparision with snoops flow and nas flow alone is a Loss for you.

No - insults just real talk, nas flow was lacking, his lyrical content was good....ok thats always gonna be constant, hes Nas but on this song, Jay flow ran laps around Nas flow, and they both had the same beat so its not like one had a better chance then the other.

i didnt make this thread to really compare, i speak the truth, and if you listen to his verse clearly you can see he wanted to say so much he lost his flow tryna say it....it happens all the time, dude aint perfect and neither is jay. On black republicans Nas had the better flow, on success jay had it... i think it comes with the fact that of course, each artist had more time to get familiar with the beat...so if you wanna compare... the only thing you can compare is lyrics...and thats always gone be a fight between the hood people and the non hood people, because content is always a opinion of personal prefrence.

[2ndRoundKO]

you the first n1gga to come in here with the stan bullsh1t... just because nas was off-beat, someone is a stan? naa blame Nas, he gotta come better on the beat.
and the person who said nas flow - is a off-beat/on (wtf? lol) beat flow needs to just give up life....this is Rap, you either rap with the beat, or its best to leave it alone. and the fact you made a comparision with snoops flow and nas flow alone is a Loss for you.
No - insults just real talk, nas flow was lacking, his lyrical content was good....ok thats always gonna be constant, hes Nas but on this song, Jay flow ran laps around Nas flow, and they both had the same beat so its not like one had a better chance then the other.
i didnt make this thread to really compare, i speak the truth, and if you listen to his verse clearly you can see he wanted to say so much he lost his flow tryna say it....it happens all the time, dude aint perfect and neither is jay. On black republicans Nas had the better flow, on success jay had it... i think it comes with the fact that of course, each artist had more time to get familiar with the beat...so if you wanna compare... the only thing you can compare is lyrics...and thats always gone be a fight between the hood people and the non hood people, because content is always a opinion of personal prefrence.

Responses to this oughta be interesting...

[The_GameO7™]

you the first n1gga to come in here with the stan bullsh1t... just because nas was off-beat, someone is a stan? naa blame Nas, he gotta come better on the beat.
and the person who said nas flow - is a off-beat/on (wtf? lol) beat flow needs to just give up life....this is Rap, you either rap with the beat, or its best to leave it alone. and the fact you made a comparision with snoops flow and nas flow alone is a Loss for you.
No - insults just real talk, nas flow was lacking, his lyrical content was good....ok thats always gonna be constant, hes Nas but on this song, Jay flow ran laps around Nas flow, and they both had the same beat so its not like one had a better chance then the other.
i didnt make this thread to really compare, i speak the truth, and if you listen to his verse clearly you can see he wanted to say so much he lost his flow tryna say it....it happens all the time, dude aint perfect and neither is jay. On black republicans Nas had the better flow, on success jay had it... i think it comes with the fact that of course, each artist had more time to get familiar with the beat...so if you wanna compare... the only thing you can compare is lyrics...and thats always gone be a fight between the hood people and the non hood people, because content is always a opinion of personal prefrence.

Shuts down his own thread.

[Stugotz94]

person who said nas flow - is a off-beat/on (wtf? lol) beat flow needs to just give up life....this is Rap, you either rap with the beat, or its best to leave it alone.[/B] and the fact you made a comparision with snoops flow and nas flow alone is a Loss for you.


u have no idea what ur talking about

it IS with the beat you dumbfukk

Upbeat Flow - the stress is on the "expected" beat

Downbeat Flow - the stress is on the "unexpected" beat

Nas combines the 2 and does and after-beat flow on songs too

Jay is always on the Upbeat flow

rappers on here know what i mean

this is why rappers think Nas is the greatest and he's a rapper's rapper

you wouldn't understand it becuz you, well, you just don't get it, even if you rap

your ear is probably just tailored to the upbeat flow cuz you don't have enough hiphop vibe to catch the rhythm's of the down-beat flow inside your mind

it's ok

alot of people don't

[bladescar]

Shuts down his own thread.

lol thats how its posed to be :king:

But fa real - i get tired of people trying to be stans instead of fans... i fukz with both of them rappa's and the win was clear here. whereas Black republicans its was more debateable.

[bladescar]

u have no idea what ur talking about

it IS with the beat you dumbfukk

Upbeat Flow - the stress is on the "expected" beat

Downbeat Flow - the stress is on the "unexpected" beat

Nas combines the 2 and does and after-beat flow on songs too

Jay is always on the Upbeat flow

rappers on here know what i mean

this is why rappers think Nas is the greatest and he's a rapper's rapper

you wouldn't understand it becuz you, well, you just don't get it, even if you rap

your ear is probably just tailored to the upbeat flow cuz you don't have enough hiphop vibe to catch the rhythm's of the down-beat flow inside your mind

it's ok

alot of people don't

you trying too hard to make absolutely no sense.:thumbsdow

[2ndRoundKO]

lol thats how its posed to be :king:
But fa real - i get tired of people trying to be stans instead of fans... i fukz with both of them rappa's and the win was clear here. whereas Black republicans its was more debateable.

Come on, man. You know you can't actually admit on here that you like a rapper. like Nas? You're a Nas stan. Think Jay's better? You're a Jay stan. I swear to God, high school was fun but I don't wanna go back. Feels like it every time I read some of these posts.

[2ndRoundKO]

u have no idea what ur talking about

it IS with the beat you dumbfukk

Upbeat Flow - the stress is on the "expected" beat

Downbeat Flow - the stress is on the "unexpected" beat

Nas combines the 2 and does and after-beat flow on songs too

Jay is always on the Upbeat flow

rappers on here know what i mean

this is why rappers think Nas is the greatest and he's a rapper's rapper

you wouldn't understand it becuz you, well, you just don't get it, even if you rap

your ear is probably just tailored to the upbeat flow cuz you don't have enough hiphop vibe to catch the rhythm's of the down-beat flow inside your mind

it's ok

alot of people don't

LMAO.

STFU wit Rappers here know what Im talkin about. N*gga, Jay is your favorite rappers favorite rapper to study. You know many rappers from Queens (who would never admit it) who I've seen bump Reasonable Doubt RELIGIOUSLY? On some, studying it inside out? Please...

[Stugotz94]

read this and maybe it'll help you understand how complex it really is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_beat


and google drum off-beat or off-beat drumming or john bonham

it's explained in drums the easiest way and nas vocal patterns are exactly like that even with his syllables

amazing shhit

[safron]

lol@this cat claiming he raps but not knowing that nas flow is deliberetly offbeat/downbeat. stugotz is onpoint with this

regardless song is hot and both verses sick

[Stugotz94]

LMAO.
STFU wit Rappers here know what Im talkin about. N*gga, Jay is your favorite rappers favorite rapper to study. You know many rappers from Queens (who would never admit it) who I've seen bump Reasonable Doubt RELIGIOUSLY? On some, studying it inside out? Please...

jay is a great rapper

alot of rappers study him especially now because the upbeat flow is what everyone does now since it's easier on the ear from first listen and hiphop is so much bigger than it was in the 90's, they study him for the flow too but for the style, lyrics, etc.

look at ali vegas for the best example of flow changes

he sounds more like jay-z now instead of nas cuz he went from a downbeat flow to an upbeat flow


jay's the most complete living emcee as far as mainstream to underground

[bladescar]

read this and maybe it'll help you understand how complex it really is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_beat
and google drum off-beat or off-beat drumming or john bonham
it's explained in drums the easiest way and nas vocal patterns are exactly like that even with his syllables
amazing shhit

Man...you on wikipedia trying to study how to rap...this is why that wack ass mixtape you got on myspace is going no where, people dont dig that sh1t bra, this isnt Music class...in Rap your charisma, flow, and wordplay decide wether you gone blow or not. so miss me with all this sh1t.

and the track i gave a listen to was the 50 beat "guns come out" so i gave you the benefit and really did listen before i thru that out there.

[Stugotz94]

song is hot and both verses sick


yep

track is dope as hell either way

[2ndRoundKO]

jay is a great rapper

alot of rappers study him especially now because the upbeat flow is what everyone does now since it's easier on the ear from first listen and hiphop is so much bigger than it was in the 90's, they study him for the flow too but for the style, lyrics, etc.

look at ali vegas for the best example of flow changes

he sounds more like jay-z now instead of nas cuz he went from a downbeat flow to an upbeat flow


jay's the most complete living emcee as far as mainstream to underground

Hmm...a far cry from:

rappers on here know what i mean

this is why rappers think Nas is the greatest and he's a rapper's rapper

you wouldn't understand it becuz you, well, you just don't get it, even if you rap

[Stugotz94]

Man...you on wikipedia trying to study how to rap...this is why that wack ass mixtape you got on myspace is going no where, people dont dig that sh1t bra, this isnt Music class...in Rap your charisma, flow, and wordplay decide wether you gone blow or not. so miss me with all this sh1t.

dumbfukk, this got nuthin to do with me

i already know about this shhit from doing it, not from wikpedia

i was on wikpedia tryin to help your dumbazz understand it easier thru the off-beat drum definition

but you would rather suck jay's balls instead of learnin somethin about your favorite music

[bladescar]

lol@this cat claiming he raps but not knowing that nas flow is deliberetly offbeat/downbeat. stugotz is onpoint with this
regardless song is hot and both verses sick

his wordplay was off purposely (sh1ts hot when done right), his FloW was off mistakeingly. :dry:

[bladescar]

dumbfukk, this got nuthin to do with me
i already know about this shhit from doing it, not from wikpedia
i was on wikpedia tryin to help your dumbazz understand it easier thru the off-beat drum definition
but you would rather suck jay's balls instead of learnin somethin about your favorite music
dog watch your mouth, before i come to one of your shows and test your jaw, this is the internet, calm down.

[bladescar]

yep
track is dope as hell either way

true and i never said it was whack either just to put that out there, it just would have been dam there perfect had Nas followed the pattern. :laugh:

[Stugotz94]

Hmm...a far cry from:
rappers on here know what i mean
this is why rappers think Nas is the greatest and he's a rapper's rapper
you wouldn't understand it becuz you, well, you just don't get it, even if you rap

where in there am i discrediting jay-z

nas is a rapper's rapper, and the greatest

jay-z is the most complete as far as the marketability and being able to make singles and club hits but still underground hits

most rappers love nas though because of his lyrical sickness and vocal patterns

but they study jay becuz they want to have the overall abilities

most rappers i know study jay but listen to nas, put it that way

[Stugotz94]

dog watch your mouth, before i come to one of your shows and test your jaw, this is the internet, calm down.


:laugh:

i'm calm you telephone tuff guy

ur the one gettin all mad about it

[NV-n-ME]

wayne doesnt flow correct, if you know how to rap yourself you can appreciate me making that quote.
he just jumps on sh1t and gets lost in the beat sometimes.

oh boy, "the rapper" trying to tell a non rapper how to interpret flow. listen here, dude, im black and thats criteria enough for me to understand how to interpret flow. how can you say wayne doesnt have "correct flow?" wtf, is correct flow? and how is wayne's not good? shyt, its his redeeming quality.

ok, jigga stans. sorry, but if it makes you feel any better, jay's flow was on point on black republicans, but this shyt was just average flow wise. admitted, the beat was a tougher challenge, but hey, he chose it.

[ILLFiL A BLuNT]

you the first n1gga to come in here with the stan bullsh1t... just because nas was off-beat, someone is a stan? naa blame Nas, he gotta come better on the beat.
No - insults just real talk, nas flow was lacking, his lyrical content was good....ok thats always gonna be constant, hes Nas but on this song, Jay flow ran laps around Nas flow, and they both had the same beat so its not like one had a better chance then the other.
i didnt make this thread to really compare, i speak the truth, and if you listen to his verse clearly you can see he wanted to say so much he lost his flow tryna say it....it happens all the time, dude aint perfect and neither is jay. On black republicans Nas had the better flow, on success jay had it... i think it comes with the fact that of course, each artist had more time to get familiar with the beat...so if you wanna compare... the only thing you can compare is lyrics...and thats always gone be a fight between the hood people and the non hood people, because content is always a opinion of personal prefrence.

I'm happy you kno about me

now lets get to knowing about You

you" your a STAN and I can't write it no f*ckin bigger

you say "no insults" but say "uuggh nas"

which is it? (of course I kno which it is)

then you say "I didn't make this thread to really compare.."

so then what the F*Ck did you make this thread for you dumb motherf*cker??

sh*t is ripe for comparison

nas slightly edged jay-z on success & on black republicans lyrically

but thas an opinion, I prefer jay on black republicans

but what's NOT an opinion is saying Nas "flow was non exsistant"

you obviously have a preference for jay and while nas & jay both don't got that 96 flow anymore

at least nas makes up in lyrics & content

can't say the same for jay over the years, thas just FACT

[bladescar]

I'm happy you kno about me
now lets get to knowing about You
you" your a STAN and I can't write it no f*ckin bigger
you say "no insults" but say "uuggh nas"
which is it? (of course I kno which it is)
then you say "I didn't make this thread to really compare.."
so then what the F*Ck did you make this thread for you dumb motherf*cker??
sh*t is ripe for comparison
nas slightly edged jay-z on success & on black republicans lyrically
but thas an opinion, I prefer jay on black republicans
but what's NOT an opinion is saying Nas "flow was non exsistant"
you obviously have a preference for jay and while nas & jay both don't got that 96 flow anymore
at least nas makes up in lyrics & content
can't say the same for jay over the years, thas just FACT

no