View Full Version : Hold up, how could Jay ever be the King of New York if Nas bodied him?
real sh*t. until he beats Nas and re-takes the throne he is not king of new york, he got served.
Spade One
10-21-07, 01:15 AM
Nas is employed by Jay.
Nas is employed by Jay.
first off he's employeed by LA Reid, as is Jay-Z. and second, this has nothing to do with a battle dog, this is hiphop. Nas served the n!gga on the mic so therefore there is no way Jay-Z could be King as long as Nas is alive.
AnwarSadatX
10-21-07, 01:17 AM
Nas is employed by Jay.
and nas got jay to sign him
Jay being King of NY, him being the greatest alive, etc. are all ducktales that his Jigga Warriors take as gospel but he and his stans lost.
Prophetic-Poet
10-21-07, 02:07 AM
another NAS...HOV thread.....:thumbsdow
Kid-Wave
10-21-07, 02:10 AM
another NAS...HOV thread.....:thumbsdow
Sunzoo aka LC
10-21-07, 03:35 AM
jay didnt get bodied, he really won that battle
yall gotta understand the under dog mentality that people love...nas wasnt even expected to come back period, let alone drop a song as potent (at the time) as ether in response (good, but overated, some mad corny lines, took 5 minutes to do less dammage than 1 verse did on take over), nas had fallen off
it's like seeing two *****s at school fighting...one is big, the other is smaller, everybody expecting the big dude to smash on the little guy easily, but EVEN IF HE LOSES THE FIGHT, if he can get some good shots in of his own and not back down, he will probably walk away from that fight with more respect than the other dude just for holding his ground against somebody that powerful
nas got prop for standing up to what seemed to be an unstopable force..not because he flat out beat him, take over did more dammage in one verse on a personal level than a couple jokes about his looks and the corny "mustash, wiskers like a rat" which absolutely has to be the worst line in a diss song ever
jay won...and is still winning, and nas is too...because he used jay-z's lyrcial assault to cook up his own and inspire him to be the MC that we all know he can be...he's not even a good battle rapper, but he did his best and people respected him more than jay since it looked like jay would win hands down
takeover woke nas up from his whole "i wanna be a commercial rapper too" phase and made him realize that he cant be jay-z...he can only do him, and his career and creative spirit was kick started by one of the greatest battles in history
but ether vs. take over = nas lost (the hot 97 poll that nas "won" was ether vs. super ugly, which was a bull**** comparison)
no mustash with wiskers like a rat? come on now man....and those arent the only corny bars
RochesterSS
10-21-07, 03:38 AM
jay didnt get bodied, he really won that battle
yall gotta understand the under dog mentality that people love...nas wasnt even expected to come back period, let alone drop a song as potent (at the time) as ether in response (good, but overated, some mad corny lines, took 5 minutes to do less dammage than 1 verse did on take over), nas had fallen off
it's like seeing two *****s at school fighting...one is big, the other is smaller, everybody expecting the big dude to smash on the little guy easily, but EVEN IF HE LOSES THE FIGHT, if he can get some good shots in of his own and not back down, he will probably walk away from that fight with more respect than the other dude just for holding his ground against somebody that powerful
nas got prop for standing up to what seemed to be an unstopable force..not because he flat out beat him, take over did more dammage in one verse on a personal level than a couple jokes about his looks and the corny "mustash, wiskers like a rat" which absolutely has to be the worst line in a diss song ever
jay won...and is still winning, and nas is too...because he used jay-z's lyrcial assault to cook up his own and inspire him to be the MC that we all know he can be...he's not even a good battle rapper, but he did his best and people respected him more than jay since it looked like jay would win hands down
takeover woke nas up from his whole "i wanna be a commercial rapper too" phase and made him realize that he cant be jay-z...he can only do him, and his career and creative spirit was kick started by one of the greatest battles in history
but ether vs. take over = nas lost (the hot 97 poll that nas "won" was ether vs. super ugly, which was a bull**** comparison)
no mustash with wiskers like a rat? come on now man....and those arent the only corny bars
Jay-Z Boo Hoo'ing on Hot 97 (http://www.zshare.net/audio/334516a6f741/)
Nas won
how about ghostface employed by the food stamps?
Jay-Z Boo Hoo'ing on Hot 97 (http://www.zshare.net/audio/334516a6f741/)
Nas won
Sunzoo aka LC
10-21-07, 03:45 AM
for one how do you hear "tears" in a mans voice? is jays voice not always shrill and kinda gay sounding?
secondly, like i said...they compared super ugly vs. ether...that was NOT a fair comparison
a freestyle vs. a song it took 4 months to write is stupid...
if anything i judged the battle off of this...takeover vs. ether
stillmatic freestyle vs. super ugly...
that poll was some under handed bull****, and yea jay was prolly pissed off, he's an ego maniac but that doesnt change the fact that for a diss track, ether had some unbelievably corny lines vs. some unemotional, let me break down your career brutal factual ****
it's like the only credible disses i heard in ether was krs already made and album called blueprint, other than that...it was all jokes, suspect jokes at that
"you went from, jaz, to kane, from dame to big to irv, eminem murder you on your own ****"
who gives a fucc who he was hanging with? what does that have to do with the lyrical ass whooping that he received on take over...that **** was STUFFED with filler
RochesterSS
10-21-07, 03:48 AM
Diss tracks are measured by how bad they hurt your oponent. Thats why diss tracks were created.
It's fact that Ether destroyed Jay's soul as you can hear on the Hot 97 Interview. jay's disses did nothing to Nas.
He won.
rapbeats
10-21-07, 03:59 AM
for one how do you hear "tears" in a mans voice? is jays voice not always shrill and kinda gay sounding?
secondly, like i said...they compared super ugly vs. ether...that was NOT a fair comparison
a freestyle vs. a song it took 4 months to write is stupid...
if anything i judged the battle off of this...takeover vs. ether
stillmatic freestyle vs. super ugly...
that poll was some under handed bull****, and yea jay was prolly pissed off, he's an ego maniac but that doesnt change the fact that for a diss track, ether had some unbelievably corny lines vs. some unemotional, let me break down your career brutal factual ****
it's like the only credible disses i heard in ether was krs already made and album called blueprint, other than that...it was all jokes, suspect jokes at that
"you went from, jaz, to kane, from dame to big to irv, eminem murder you on your own ****"
who gives a fucc who he was hanging with? what does that have to do with the lyrical ass whooping that he received on take over...that **** was STUFFED with filler
^^this is the realest break down i've heard of this battle since it went down. everyone was on either side over exaggerating. to me neither battle was that great.
everyone and they great aunt assumed nas was bodied on the strength that he is not a known battle rapper. he's a story teller. story tellers aren't supposed to know how to battle. nas held his own for sure. BUT, the lines were all jokes about the man's looks and a few corny lines. thats it.
jayz broke down nas' career in one verse. if my one verse is enough for everyone to call it a legit battle vs your whole song. who really won?
I dont care if jayz was crying like a little girl about it. i knew just like everyone else, that Jayz is a Nas stan and always has been. he never should've started the battle to begin with. this is why people call Jay a loser. not cause he actually losed a battle. because if you look at both of em. nas wasn't a jayz stan it was the other way around. and nas knew it. but never called jay out on it. even til this day jay is this dudes boss. and he still is a nas stan. Why? cause nas makes REAL Hiphop. while Jay could, but rather chooses to make songs that sell. he just makes sure to put some ridiculous lyrics within those songs.
^thats the truth of the entire battle. if you ask me it was a wack battle. why? cause Jayz beat him with one verse. but even in that verse he gave nas credit. you never give credit when you're battling somebody. i dont care what dude has done in the past.
Obstical
10-21-07, 04:05 AM
What? Jay battled Nas?
Who won? Somebody up the tracks.
Jigga Warriors are mad, face it the fact that you guys get so homotional about Ether all these years later proves that Nas won and Jay lost. Stop writing essays defending your hero and get over it even The Jigga Man admited he lost why can't you?.
melanon
10-21-07, 04:13 AM
i always thought the beat to ether was lame. bull**** ass wanna be scary strings.
Sunzoo aka LC
10-21-07, 04:16 AM
Diss tracks are measured by how bad they hurt your oponent. Thats why diss tracks were created.
It's fact that Ether destroyed Jay's soul as you can hear on the Hot 97 Interview. jay's disses did nothing to Nas.
He won.
lol yall *****s kill me talking about who hurt who more...jay got put on the air after losing a poll, the diss aint hurt him, his own retardedly huge ego hurt him
and do you REALLY believe that nas was feeling particularly warm on the inside when a song like "is that yo bytch", which is even worst than takeover was a top 10 single and coming out of every car in the hood and every club? if any of yall read carmens book, you can see that jays disses clearly had more of an effect
dude was having sex with carmen right after she got done fuccing with jay and asking her about it...the reason why it seemed like he wasnt hurt was because nas is never in the public like that...the only time we EVER heard from dude and felt a reaction, it was after he won a rigged poll and was gloating...dicc sucking lips is a jab compared to this
Uh, yo don't get mad at me
I don't love 'em I **** 'em
I don't chase 'em I duck 'em
I replace 'em with another one
You had to see she keep calling me BIG
And my name is Jay-Z
She be all on my ****
Gradually I'm taking over your *****
Coming over your ****
Got my feet up on you sofa, man
I mean a hostess for my open hand
You coming home to beer shifts and there be soda cans
I got your ***** in my Rover man
I never kiss her, I never hold her hand
In fact I diss her I'm a bolder man
I'mma pimp her, it's over man
It's over man, it's over man
Yo, yo.. why you home alone, why she out with me?
Room 112, hotel balcony
How she say Jay you can call the house for me?
There's no respect at all
You betta check her dawg
She keep beggin' me to hit it raw
So she can have my kids and say it was yours
How foul is she? And you wifed her
****, I put the rubber on tighter
Sent her home, when she entered home
You hugged her up
What the **** is up?
She got you whipped, got your kids
Got your home, but that's not your *****
You share that girl, don't let 'em hear that he'd Earl
It'll make 'em sick that his favorite chick
Ain't saving it, unfaithful *****
^and they made a ****ing video tho this!, when jay was in the SUV with the broad...he was talking DIRECTLY to dude, you think nas felt good about that? if against all odds made him cry....
nas is a hermit...dude barely does interviews so we werent gonna see him crying his wittle eyes out on camera, *****s caught jay slipping in public and his ego caught a small bruise...that is the extent of ether and that hot 97 poll...
nas is a better lyricist however jay is wittier. jay has more charisma on the mic than nas. nas sold out when he didn't win awards at the source for best album..he even said he was going to go more commercial. jay-z started commercial as an intro with the jaz....first album was cool..not classic. now he's just commercial and still the biggest biter of lyrics in hiphop
for one how do you hear "tears" in a mans voice? is jays voice not always shrill and kinda gay sounding?
secondly, like i said...they compared super ugly vs. ether...that was NOT a fair comparison
a freestyle vs. a song it took 4 months to write is stupid...
if anything i judged the battle off of this...takeover vs. ether
stillmatic freestyle vs. super ugly...
that poll was some under handed bull****, and yea jay was prolly pissed off, he's an ego maniac but that doesnt change the fact that for a diss track, ether had some unbelievably corny lines vs. some unemotional, let me break down your career brutal factual ****
it's like the only credible disses i heard in ether was krs already made and album called blueprint, other than that...it was all jokes, suspect jokes at that
"you went from, jaz, to kane, from dame to big to irv, eminem murder you on your own ****"
who gives a fucc who he was hanging with? what does that have to do with the lyrical ass whooping that he received on take over...that **** was STUFFED with filler
LMAO @ your exaggerated posts.
First of all, how was Takeover "brutal factual ****"? /Four albums in ten years, ***** I can divide/, /That's a one hot album every ten year average/.
All this, while It Was Written was rated 5 mics by every hip hop magazine out there and critically acclaimed, and I Am was solid 4.5 mics, while Nastradamus was 4, and still better than some of Jay's commercial bs. Now as for Jay, he released 5 albums in 4 years, which of none touched Nas' best work, and some were even garbage.
It was a diss from a haters point of view, exaggerated, just like your pitiful posts. Jay wasn't on some "huge gigantic unstoppable force" ****, he was just another rap star just like Nas. Your pseudo-intelligent posts lack so much, I don't even have the time to find all these flaws.
I've noticed from your posts you're a ****ing sissy. Always sticking around the big dogs, praising their moves, and bashing everyone else. I actually think you're just trying to live your pitiful life through these "winners", imagining yourself to be them, while sitting behind your screen dreaming to live the "cool" lives they do.
Either that, or you're just some sorry Eminem stan, praising every one of his affiliated acts, including Dr. Dre, 50 Cent, Jay-Z, etcetc. Pathetic, get a life.
Oh yeah, how was that Irv, Kane, Jaz line a filler? It broke down how Jay was an unreliable piece of ****, always changing his surroundings when **** got hot, he even ended up dissing his mentor Jaz-O. As for 2007, we can add Dame Dash to that list. Do you still fail to see the pattern? Your lil man camel is a ho...
LMAO @ your exaggerated posts.
First of all, how was Takeover "brutal factual ****"? /Four albums in ten years, ***** I can divide/, /That's a one hot album every ten year average/.
All this, while It Was Written was rated 5 mics by every hip hop magazine out there and critically acclaimed, and I Am was solid 4.5 mics, while Nastradamus was 4, and still better than some of Jay's commercial bs. Now as for Jay, he released 5 albums in 4 years, which of none touched Nas' best work, and some were even garbage.
It was a diss from a haters point of view, exaggerated, just like your pitiful posts. Jay wasn't on some "huge gigantic unstoppable force" ****, he was just another rap star just like Nas. Your pseudo-intelligent posts lack so much, I don't even have the time to find all these flaws.
I've noticed from your posts you're a ****ing sissy. Always sticking around the big dogs, praising their moves, and bashing everyone else. I actually think you're just trying to live your pitiful life through these "winners", imagining yourself to be them, while sitting behind your screen dreaming to live the "cool" lives they do.
Either that, or you're just some sorry Eminem stan, praising every one of his affiliated acts, including Dr. Dre, 50 Cent, Jay-Z, etcetc. Pathetic, get a life.
which mags said this? link? I was there when those albums were out and please show me where and who :dry:
Sunzoo aka LC
10-21-07, 04:50 AM
LMAO @ your exaggerated posts.
First of all, how was Takeover "brutal factual ****"? /Four albums in ten years, ***** I can divide/, /That's a one hot album every ten year average/.
All this, while It Was Written was rated 5 mics by every hip hop magazine out there and critically acclaimed, and I Am was solid 4.5 mics, while Nastradamus was 4, and still better than some of Jay's commercial bs. Now as for Jay, he released 5 albums in 4 years, which of none touched Nas' best work, and some were even garbage.
It was a diss from a haters point of view, exaggerated, just like your pitiful posts. Jay wasn't on some "huge gigantic unstoppable force" ****, he was just another rap star just like Nas. Your pseudo-intelligent posts lack so much, I don't even have the time to find all these flaws.
I've noticed from your posts you're a ****ing sissy. Always sticking around the big dogs, praising their moves, and bashing everyone else. I actually think you're just trying to live your pitiful life through these "winners", imagining yourself to be them, while sitting behind your screen dreaming to live the "cool" lives they do.
Either that, or you're just some sorry Eminem stan, praising every one of his affiliated acts, including Dr. Dre, 50 Cent, Jay-Z, etcetc. Pathetic, get a life.
Oh yeah, how was that Irv, Kane, Jaz line a filler? It broke down how Jay was an unreliable piece of ****, always changing his surroundings when **** got hot, he even ended up dissing his mentor Jaz-O. As for 2007, we can add Dame Dash to that list. Do you still fail to see the pattern? Your lil man camel is a ho...
first of all...for you to say that nastradamus is 4 mics, rated, or even reguarded as that kills your whole rant to me...have you been huffing PAINT? and i'm a sissy? sticking with big dogs? i think you are thinking a little too deeply into this homie, i'm just expressing my opinon, i'm not trying to live thru "winners" or some other weird idea you have about me, i just speak my gotdamn mind
and what does this have to do with eminem? yall swear i'm such a stan but you bring him up more than i do, whats good with that? since when was jay-z flat out AFFILIATED with eminem? just because they did ONE song together? wheres the association? or are you just a reaching ass homo...yes i think thats what it is, give your feeble brain a rest and stop trying to figure me out...say what YOU feel, and keep it moving cunt
now...as for the rest of your jargon, takeover was a factual break down from A LOT of hip hop heads point of view
i was always a big fan of nas, and around the time of i am and nastradamus, he was NOT getting no 4 and 4.5 mics for them ****s...and it was written is NOT 5 mics in everbodies opinon and even jay acknowledged IWW was "ehh"...as in good, but not as good as illmatic so lets not count it for the sake of insult
so in reality, jay was not the only one who thought that "one hot album every 10 year average" made sense...i mean why else would everybody be bugging out if it didnt have some truth to it...maybe to a cock biter like you nas was releasing straight up 5 mic classics back to back to back, but that was not the case universally, he had 2 duds in a row and was about to release his 3rd before the battle started
"facts" are concrete, so while jay didnt have any certificates of origin or witness, the things he was saying were SOME of the same things the hip hop community was saying...he broke him down from a fans perspective, and just like horse coming better than nas...i mean nas main argument was jay "biting"...but he bit snoop dogg on oochie wally for half a verse and came wack while doing it
so it was some truth to his criticisms...and he sounded like he wasnt even angry, it was just let me tell you what i think of your little career here...you been in it 10, i been in it 5..smarten up nas? 4 albums in 10 years *****?
that was just ONE VERSE vs. a 5 minute song that took months to make....and somehow it's still a legit battle...why?? because jay's statements had some weight behind them
all that oh you hung with this with that **** was IRRELEVANT, the jokes about his looks, his mustash were IRRELEVANT, his comment about eminem is another "fact" that not all heads agree on, i dont think em came nicer than jay, but a lot of people did...so if nas can use that as a diss, why cant jay say that nas argubably got ****ted on lyrically by his wack bodyguard horse?
whats good for the goose...just admit that being the under dog helped nas look like a winner, just like a little ***** with heart swinging on the biggest bully in school...he benifited from people not expecting much of him, why were peoples expectations so low? jay was just another rap star like nas? then why was he TRYING to go commercial to keep up with the likes of biggie and then jay if he was as big of a star? at that point in their career, nas was playing catch up to jay, stop lying to yourself
RochesterSS
10-21-07, 04:52 AM
Both Jay and Nas did interviews on air.
Nas was laughing.
Jay was crying.
Case closed.
Nas Won
is jays voice not always shrill and kinda gay sounding?
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
first of all...for you to say that nastradamus is 4 mics, rated, or even reguarded as that kills your whole rant to me...have you been huffing PAINT? and i'm a sissy? sticking with big dogs? i think you are thinking a little too deeply into this homie, i'm just expressing my opinon, i'm not trying to live thru "winners" or some other weird idea you have about me, i just speak my gotdamn mind
and what does this have to do with eminem? yall swear i'm such a stan but you bring him up more than i do, whats good with that? since when was jay-z flat out AFFILIATED with eminem? just because they did ONE song together? wheres the association? or are you just a reaching ass homo...yes i think thats what it is, give your feeble brain a rest and stop trying to figure me out...say what YOU feel, and keep it moving cunt
now...as for the rest of your jargon, takeover was a factual break down from A LOT of hip hop heads point of view
i was always a big fan of nas, and around the time of i am and nastradamus, he was NOT getting no 4 and 4.5 mics for them ****s...and it was written is NOT 5 mics in everbodies opinon and even jay acknowledged IWW was "ehh"...as in good, but not as good as illmatic so lets not count it for the sake of insult
so in reality, jay was not the only one who thought that "one hot album every 10 year average" made sense...i mean why else would everybody be bugging out if it didnt have some truth to it...maybe to a cock biter like you nas was releasing straight up 5 mic classics back to back to back, but that was not the case universally, he had 2 duds in a row and was about to release his 3rd before the battle started
"facts" are concrete, so while jay didnt have any certificates of origin or witness, the things he was saying were SOME of the same things the hip hop community was saying...he broke him down from a fans perspective, and just like horse coming better than nas...i mean nas main argument was jay "biting"...but he bit snoop dogg on oochie wally for half a verse and came wack while doing it
so it was some truth to his criticisms...and he sounded like he wasnt even angry, it was just let me tell you what i think of your little career here...you been in it 10, i been in it 5..smarten up nas? 4 albums in 10 years *****?
that was just ONE VERSE vs. a 5 minute song that took months to make....and somehow it's still a legit battle...why?? because jay's statements had some weight behind them
all that oh you hung with this with that **** was IRRELEVANT, the jokes about his looks, his mustash were IRRELEVANT, his comment about eminem is another "fact" that not all heads agree on, i dont think em came nicer than jay, but a lot of people did...so if nas can use that as a diss, why cant jay say that nas argubably got ****ted on lyrically by his wack bodyguard horse?
whats good for the goose...just admit that being the under dog helped nas look like a winner, just like a little ***** with heart swinging on the biggest bully in school...he benifited from people not expecting much of him, why were peoples expectations so low? jay was just another rap star like nas? then why was he TRYING to go commercial to keep up with the likes of biggie and then jay if he was as big of a star?
I love the fact how you keep discrediting Ether, saying like it was a bunch of corny jokes and all.
The fact is, it was so lively, sharp and clever, it made Jay-Z cry. You've heard the tapes. It's no "gay voice", you can hear how the tone changes. "It, it, it was vuulgar.... *sniff*".
You know damn well those camel jokes hit the right spot, and were his main weakness. Listen to Song Cry again. Dude is insecure about his looks, he's worrying about it a lot. You should know a lot of dough doesn't make you some superhuman, if you're even somewhat educated and intelligent you'll find new and new things to worry about.
It hurt him, and that's something that makes you win a rap battle. Making crappy albums (even though Nastradamus is still > 90% of rap albums around) is a reversible process (which Nas proved, by releasing Stillmatic and God's Son back to back), while looking butt ugly, well, is not. And that's the whole tragic point my friend :rolleyes:.
LOL @ this pathetic essay contest we're holding though :laugh:.
Both Jay and Nas did interviews on air.
Nas was laughing.
Jay was crying.
Case closed.
Nas Won
my qoutes getting deleted by a mod...comedy
Sunzoo aka LC
10-21-07, 05:02 AM
lol i thought someone would find that funny...but all jokes and name calling aside i see where yall coming from, but i can only be logical about the situation
i gotta think...what would i be more hurt by? someone saying i had penis sucking lips, or someone fuccing my baby mother and making a top 10 single, club anthem about it...ish doesnt add up, if jay did cry...his incredible hulk sized ego is what made him spring a leak, not a joke about his camel lips, that ish was corny...they might as well have been on a playground in the 4th grade saying some ish like that
i'm a power in the industry......believe me...jay sold out he's right now trying hard to keep some street cred but he's lost touch and to sohh mods..i know who u are.....no more sponsor's means no money.......
lol i thought someone would find that funny...but all jokes and name calling aside i see where yall coming from, but i can only be logical about the situation
i gotta think...what would i be more hurt by? someone saying i had penis sucking lips, or someone fuccing my baby mother and making a top 10 single, club anthem about it...ish doesnt add up, if jay did cry...his incredible hulk sized ego is what made him spring a leak, not a joke about his camel lips, that ish was corny...they might as well have been on a playground in the 4th grade saying some ish like that
See, that's you. You wouldn't be hurt, when someone called you a camel or said you had huge lips or some other stupid bs like that, because it holds no meaning to you (maybe cause you don't look like a camel, but on the other hand... :huh:). It's just that you're not Jay-Z. He does look like a camel, he does have some huge lips.
Now this is a deep personal insult, and you never know how it affects someone. Some let it show, while some, well, do not. You just can't decrypt someone's life just like that and know what they think, can you? The fact is Nas dissed Jay for his looks, and Jay stuttered on live radio.
And it's not like Ether was some namecalling fest. It was a straight greedy, cocky "i'm better than you" type arrogant ****. It flowed, had the vibe, did it's job well. You should give it a re-listen, it's not as bad and corny as you think :rolleyes:.
Sunzoo aka LC
10-21-07, 05:11 AM
I love the fact how you keep discrediting Ether, saying like it was a bunch of corny jokes and all.
The fact is, it was so lively, sharp and clever, it made Jay-Z cry. You've heard the tapes. It's no "gay voice", you can hear how the tone changes. "It, it, it was vuulgar.... *sniff*".
You know damn well those camel jokes hit the right spot, and were his main weakness. Listen to Song Cry again. Dude is insecure about his looks, he's worrying about it a lot. You should know a lot of dough doesn't make you some superhuman, if you're even somewhat educated and intelligent you'll find new and new things to worry about.
It hurt him, and that's something that makes you win a rap battle. Making crappy albums (even though Nastradamus is still > 90% of rap albums around) is a reversible process (which Nas proved, by releasing Stillmatic and God's Son back to back), while looking butt ugly, well, is not. And that's the whole tragic point my friend :rolleyes:.
LOL @ this pathetic essay contest we're holding though :laugh:.
check it fam...ether on a lyrical level was cool, but the BEST lines, didnt even sound like they were personals feel me?
burner at the side of ya dome, get outta my throne, i got this locked since 91, i am the truest, name a rapper that i aint influence
i always thought those bars were dope...but when it comes to a personal break down, it really didnt hit that many cords to me...and considering how the verse for nas was just that...a verse, and nas couldnt muster up something other than insults about his looks in a 5 minute song...it's just like what did he really say of substance
put you in a pine box fellas, with 9 shots, from my glocks...all that **** was HOT, but it wasnt personal, he coulda been saying that to anybody, jays ****, every line was trying to drive a stake thru nas is heart it seemed
i just dont think that a joke about his lips or him looking like a character from good times hurt more than smutting out the mother of his seed and putting it on wax, the jokes lose their effect after awhile
check it fam...ether on a lyrical level was cool, but the BEST lines, didnt even sound like they were personals feel me?
burner at the side of ya dome, get outta my throne, i got this locked since 91, i am the truest, name a rapper that i aint influence
i always thought those bars were dope...but when it comes to a personal break down, it really didnt hit that many cords to me...and considering how the verse for nas was just that...a verse, and nas couldnt muster up something other than insults about his looks in a 5 minute song...it's just like what did he really say of substance
put you in a pine box fellas, with 9 shots, from my glocks...all that **** was HOT, but it wasnt personal, he coulda been saying that to anybody, jays ****, every line was trying to drive a stake thru nas is heart it seemed
i just dont think that a joke about his lips or him looking like a character from good times hurt more than smutting out the mother of his seed and putting it on wax, the jokes lose their effect after awhile
Check my previous post.
You know what's funny? We can settle this with both of us having different opinions. I don't feel like going back and forth with you for 5 pages (believe me, I've done that). So this will be my final post.
Takeover for you, Ether for me, that's it.
And still, nice to see some serious discussion on SOHH :cool:. Props.
Stop it Jigga Warrior really it's getting silly the way your writting essay after essay for your hero. "Your fan, a phony, a fake, a p*ssy, a stan." that line pretty much summed up Jay's career, Ether is that sh*t that'll make your soul burns slow it's science and the effects was Jay on Hot 97 stuttering and copping pleas Jay-Z lost get over it.
Sunzoo aka LC
10-21-07, 05:18 AM
See, that's you. You wouldn't be hurt, when someone called you a camel or said you had huge lips or some other stupid bs like that, because it holds no meaning to you (maybe cause you don't look like a camel, but on the other hand... :huh:). It's just that you're not Jay-Z. He does look like a camel, he does have some huge lips.
Now this is a deep personal insult, and you never know how it affects someone. Some let it show, while some, well, do not. You just can't decrypt someone's life just like that and know what they think, can you? The fact is Nas dissed Jay for his looks, and Jay stuttered on live radio.
And it's not like Ether was some namecalling fest. It was a straight greedy, cocky "i'm better than you" type arrogant ****. It flowed, had the vibe, did it's job well. You should give it a re-listen, it's not as bad and corny as you think :rolleyes:.
i feel you on that...and i never said the whole song was corny, just a few select bars that really show that battling is not nas' forte IMO, wiskers like a rat...the eminem line (another one of those "facts"), it just didnt seem personal to me...and where i'm from, insulting a man about his looks is kinda suspect, so while it was funny...in my head i'm like why is he even pointing out the time to pick apart a mans appearance like THAT, dicc sucking lips? it was a turn off, and didnt really attack the issue at hand...a ***** trying to SMASH your career and legacy
and as i said...if nas admitedly cried after hearing "against all odds" how do you think he felt when he saw "is that your *****" on BET? and he was really the ONLY one who knew it was for him...all i really knew at the time was jay was clowing SOMEBODY really hard
RochesterSS
10-21-07, 05:20 AM
Why does he keep ducking the lines that straight up exposed Jay??
"Callin my crib and I ain't even give you my number" <--- Damn thats cold. Exposing Jay as a Nas stan to the entire world.
"You ass, went from Jaz to hangin with Kane, to Irv, to Big" <--- Naming all the dudes Jay was dikk riding. Nothing on takeover is fukkin with that.
nas is not a battle rapper never was. you guys are critquin stuff off of things you were never firsthand witnesses off. nas is the lyricist, jay is charismatic and appealing but he steals lines left and right
why do u think jay memorized his lines and not writing on paper like biggie.....biggie had to catch up to pac, pac would push him and say if u don't have **** right now then u not going to bust in the studio....it was easier for him to remember his lines...LOL yes it was simple as that...lol
Sunzoo aka LC
10-21-07, 05:21 AM
Check my previous post.
You know what's funny? We can settle this with both of us having different opinions. I don't feel like going back and forth with you for 5 pages (believe me, I've done that). So this will be my final post.
Takeover for you, Ether for me, that's it.
And still, nice to see some serious discussion on SOHH :cool:. Props.
no doubt, thats why i come here homie...i dont get this kind of discussion in real life, i hang with a bunch of ignorant *****s who dont know enough about hip hop to hold a real conversation on the subject, difference of opinion is expected, and respected by me at least
no doubt, thats why i come here homie...i dont get this kind of discussion in real life, i hang with a bunch of ignorant *****s who dont know enough about hip hop to hold a real conversation on the subject, difference of opinion is expected, and respected by me at least
why do u think jay memorized his lines and not writing on paper like biggie.....biggie had to catch up to pac, pac would push him and say if u don't have **** right now then u not going to bust in the studio....it was easier for him to remember his lines...LOL yes it was simple as that...lol
pac ran and pushed biggie
Sunzoo aka LC
10-21-07, 05:26 AM
nas is not a battle rapper never was. you guys are critquin stuff off of things you were never firsthand witnesses off. nas is the lyricist, jay is charismatic and appealing but he steals lines left and right
you sound like a forigner or something (not that thats a bad thing), like you're missing something
and as for stealing lines...you do realize that this is common practice? nas bit snoop dog on oochie wally, biggie stole lines from the fat boys (lime to a lemon anyone?)...and for as many 'stolen' lines (more like a bar or two of well known phrases from well known songs by real heads) as jay has, he has 5x the ammount of origonal, intricate and lyrically insane quotables
HIS OWN lines, the ones that came out of his own head far outweigh the quality and quantity of the "bitten" material, especially seeing how the hip hop as a culture is based on "biting" from other cultures like dance hall, disco, funk, soul and jazz
RochesterSS
10-21-07, 05:30 AM
You keep typing ridiculously long essays that don't say a damn thing
Ether wasn't all about dissecting Jay's looks. I don't think you understand that.
you sound like a forigner or something (not that thats a bad thing), like you're missing something
and as for stealing lines...you do realize that this is common practice? nas bit snoop dog on oochie wally, biggie stole lines from the fat boys...and for as many 'stolen' lines (more a bar or two of well known phrases from well known songs by real heads) as jay has, he has 5x the ammount of origonal, intricate and lyrically insane quotables
HIS OWN lines, the ones that came out of his own head far outweigh the quality and quantity of the "bitten" material, especially seeing how the hip hop as a culture is based on "biting" from other cultures like dance hall, disco, funk, soul and jazz
I was typing about the true story behind the scenes. We can talk about biting all day but seriously Biggie but Jay is the biggest...for people that don't know the history biting was never cool and I know you know that. That was sacrade. Nobody would until Snoop did it with la di da di and now it's accepted.
How can Jay be a king when 30% of his lines are "bitten"...shoot i should look into it more but i bet it's more like half
Sunzoo aka LC
10-21-07, 05:44 AM
well i'll tell you what fam...when you get time, make a list of "bitten lines"...but if they are just REFRENCE lines, they shouldnt count
you make a list...find all of them that you can, and i will find you double the ammount, of better quality that were all origonal and sicker than a "bitten phrase"...like i said, biggie, nas, em (bit the whole chorus to a rakim song for the way i am) were all instances of biting...but people only point it out when jay does it...and considering that he acutally knew biggie, he should be one of the few that does get to refrence his work like that
nas bit off pac multiple times, and even his flow recently, camron bites off big, jay and nas left and right...so get to work on the list, i gurantee you at least half of them wont even be a whole bar long, and will probably be well known lyrics by anybody in the "know" of hip hop culture...tell me i'm wrong
You keep typing ridiculously long essays that don't say a damn thing
Ether wasn't all about dissecting Jay's looks. I don't think you understand that.
well if you have a problem with how i type dont read it duke...obviously you keep reading them because you're getting the general break down of my argument, but understand that i never said the whole song was just about his looks...but that was the BULK of the disses throughout the song, thats all i'm saying, some of the lines were suspect, unnecessary and some didnt connect to jay-z personally
i understand what he meant by 'jaz to irv, to big to dame..'...but i didnt care, after i got older and analyzed the song, the bulk of it sounded like a 5th grade insult fest, and i never really been big on describing a mans lips as dicksucking
to me there were very few personal disses that had weight behind them...the fact that jay called nas on the phone really didnt strike me as some...oh my god! type line...either way, i made my points, and if you dont agree at least try to understand my stance
fam..u talking to me like I haven't seen it in person. You can type essays all u want and I respect that you typing and questioning but you're wrong sorry.
well i'll tell you what fam...when you get time, make a list of "bitten lines"...but if they are just REFRENCE lines, they shouldnt count
you make a list...find all of them that you can, and i will find you double the ammount, of better quality that were all origonal and sicker than a "bitten phrase"...like i said, biggie, nas, em (bit the whole chorus to a rakim song for the way i am) were all instances of biting...but people only point it out when jay does it...and considering that he acutally knew biggie, he should be one of the few that does get to refrence his work like that
nas bit off pac multiple times, and even his flow recently, camron bites off big, jay and nas left and right...so get to work on the list, i gurantee you at least half of them wont even be a whole bar long, and will probably be well known lyrics by anybody in the "know" of hip hop culture...tell me i'm wrong
well if you have a problem with how i type dont read it duke...obviously you keep reading them because you're getting the general break down of my argument, but understand that i never said the whole song was just about his looks...but that was the BULK of the disses throughout the song, thats all i'm saying, some of the lines were suspect, unnecessary and some didnt connect to jay-z personally
i understand what he meant by 'jaz to irv, to big to dame..'...but i didnt care, after i got older and analyzed the song, the bulk of it sounded like a 5th grade insult fest, and i never really been big on describing a mans lips as dicksucking
to me there were very few personal disses that had weight behind them...the fact that jay called nas on the phone really didnt strike me as some...oh my god! type line...either way, i made my points, and if you dont agree at least try to understand my stance
Darth Hazzard
10-21-07, 06:24 AM
jay didnt get bodied, he really won that battle
yall gotta understand the under dog mentality that people love...nas wasnt even expected to come back period, let alone drop a song as potent (at the time) as ether in response (good, but overated, some mad corny lines, took 5 minutes to do less dammage than 1 verse did on take over), nas had fallen off
it's like seeing two *****s at school fighting...one is big, the other is smaller, everybody expecting the big dude to smash on the little guy easily, but EVEN IF HE LOSES THE FIGHT, if he can get some good shots in of his own and not back down, he will probably walk away from that fight with more respect than the other dude just for holding his ground against somebody that powerful
nas got prop for standing up to what seemed to be an unstopable force..not because he flat out beat him, take over did more dammage in one verse on a personal level than a couple jokes about his looks and the corny "mustash, wiskers like a rat" which absolutely has to be the worst line in a diss song ever
jay won...and is still winning, and nas is too...because he used jay-z's lyrcial assault to cook up his own and inspire him to be the MC that we all know he can be...he's not even a good battle rapper, but he did his best and people respected him more than jay since it looked like jay would win hands down
takeover woke nas up from his whole "i wanna be a commercial rapper too" phase and made him realize that he cant be jay-z...he can only do him, and his career and creative spirit was kick started by one of the greatest battles in history
but ether vs. take over = nas lost (the hot 97 poll that nas "won" was ether vs. super ugly, which was a bull**** comparison)
no mustash with wiskers like a rat? come on now man....and those arent the only corny bars
Close thread, and end all these Nas - Jay threads. Could not have put it better myself. Hopefully this post will open some eyes.
ok and now I have a problem whit "REFERENCE" lines what the hell does that mean. it's like a corporate whore looking for a loophole to bite.........:laugh:
well i'll tell you what fam...when you get time, make a list of "bitten lines"...but if they are just REFRENCE lines, they shouldnt count
you make a list...find all of them that you can, and i will find you double the ammount, of better quality that were all origonal and sicker than a "bitten phrase"...like i said, biggie, nas, em (bit the whole chorus to a rakim song for the way i am) were all instances of biting...but people only point it out when jay does it...and considering that he acutally knew biggie, he should be one of the few that does get to refrence his work like that
nas bit off pac multiple times, and even his flow recently, camron bites off big, jay and nas left and right...so get to work on the list, i gurantee you at least half of them wont even be a whole bar long, and will probably be well known lyrics by anybody in the "know" of hip hop culture...tell me i'm wrong
well if you have a problem with how i type dont read it duke...obviously you keep reading them because you're getting the general break down of my argument, but understand that i never said the whole song was just about his looks...but that was the BULK of the disses throughout the song, thats all i'm saying, some of the lines were suspect, unnecessary and some didnt connect to jay-z personally
i understand what he meant by 'jaz to irv, to big to dame..'...but i didnt care, after i got older and analyzed the song, the bulk of it sounded like a 5th grade insult fest, and i never really been big on describing a mans lips as dicksucking
to me there were very few personal disses that had weight behind them...the fact that jay called nas on the phone really didnt strike me as some...oh my god! type line...either way, i made my points, and if you dont agree at least try to understand my stance
Damn more essays, Jigga Warriors just can't help themselves can they SMH.
Damn more essays, Jigga Warriors just can't help themselves can they SMH.
You a f....a gggggg ot too repping bit...ch assssssssssssssss cumron. where he hiding.......he shook.......LOL
since this cam fan had to say something....it was never in the papers.....his whole crew wack**** was whooped on by 16-18 years in the Town...oakland.....there are vids around of it
when i watch this **** it's comedy...lol still laughing at the joke of this dip**** crew...LOL
dumassispumanti
10-21-07, 07:27 AM
I love the fact how you keep discrediting Ether, saying like it was a bunch of corny jokes and all.
The fact is, it was so lively, sharp and clever, it made Jay-Z cry. You've heard the tapes. It's no "gay voice", you can hear how the tone changes. "It, it, it was vuulgar.... *sniff*".
You know damn well those camel jokes hit the right spot, and were his main weakness. Listen to Song Cry again. Dude is insecure about his looks, he's worrying about it a lot. You should know a lot of dough doesn't make you some superhuman, if you're even somewhat educated and intelligent you'll find new and new things to worry about.
It hurt him, and that's something that makes you win a rap battle. Making crappy albums (even though Nastradamus is still > 90% of rap albums around) is a reversible process (which Nas proved, by releasing Stillmatic and God's Son back to back), while looking butt ugly, well, is not. And that's the whole tragic point my friend :rolleyes:.
LOL @ this pathetic essay contest we're holding though :laugh:.
This dude throws around the word sissy, and yet fails to see the blatant homo-etry in his own speeches.
You sound like the most insecure rat of them all in room full of rats. You (and every lame on the eastern seaboard) literally sat there and invented an imaginary scenario where Jay-Z is some weak crying little girl who sits in the corner and rocks back and forth. Why? Just so you could finally see him lose something and you could feel better about your life. Saddest part is, you actually THINK it's true. You lames literally believe Nas hurt Jay-Z on some deep personal level with that song and in your mind, David can beat Goliath and dreams come true lol. So much so that you think you can hear crying in a man-you-hate's voice. What's sadder is that this trash passes for a large amount of opinion on the subject.
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