Frank Lucas JR: 'Jay-Z DOESNT KNOW WHAT 'BLUE MAGIC' IS'

[ThatLadyFoxx]

And as far as Jay-Z’s portrayal of American Gangster, he doesn’t understand what "Blue Magic" is. He never satisfied the consumer, or educated them about "Blue Magic", and he never explained that. So if you’re going to tell the story, get it right. And the first rule of Hip-Hop is; don’t bite. He has nothing to do with The American Gangster; he never talked to my father.
http://www.sixshot.com/interviews/8148/

[Gator]

what is blue magic?

[Gentility]

going to tell the story? the fucc, it's not like the song was meant to be a detailed examination of Blue Magic. if anything i think he did it that way on purpose so your curiosity is piqued and you watch the movie to find out more. plus the Denzel snippet at the end helped.

[jondough150]

jus another person there to build the "hype" next you kno he will be rappin goin at jay if anything jay is promoteing this movie

[NotSoft]

what he know about the rules of hiphop...he mad Jay called his pops a snitch haha...ya pops aint follow the rules of the game that caused nikkas to do bids...so fuk not explainin what a blue magic is...jay is blue magic now.

[hustlemania]

going to tell the story? the fucc, it's not like the song was meant to be a detailed examination of Blue Magic. if anything i think he did it that way on purpose so your curiosity is piqued and you watch the movie to find out more. plus the Denzel snippet at the end helped.
is Jay even in the movie? :blink: why would he promote a project, he has nothing to do with? it would seem as if he'd have actual DEF JAM artists to promote, rather than a movie he's not in..

[EVIL]

"And as far as Jay-Z’s portrayal of American Gangster, he doesn’t understand what "Blue Magic" is. He never satisfied the consumer, or educated them about "Blue Magic", and he never explained that. So if you’re going to tell the story, get it right. And the first rule of Hip-Hop is; don’t bite. He has nothing to do with The American Gangster; he never talked to my father."


there go jay z swagger jackin again....

[JMurder]

what is blue magic?
that's what I wanna know

[RandyBodek]

read the interview. its refreshing to see someone affiliated with rap speaking with sense, he aint on that fake studio gangster sh*t like 98% of these dudes are on, even though he certainly could be. he's right about jay-z and t.i., these f@ggots throwin around a drug baron's name in they sh*t to gain points aint whats up, not unless they slide him and his family some change for that. i hate rappers as people, they make me sick. lol @ jay-z comparing himself to the godfather and frank lucas and scarface, etc... :dry: you rapped for forever! klein let you hang around him like plenty other little dojas, you wasn't nobody.

[1stCome]

it doesnt matter. was curtis mayfield in superfly? was prince in batman?

[Gentility]

what is blue magic?http://nymag.com/nymag/features/3649/

Back in the early seventies, there were many "brands" of dope in Harlem. Tru Blu, Mean Machine, Could Be Fatal, Diick Down, Boody, Cooley High, Capone, Ding Dong, Fucc Me, Fucc You, Nice, Nice to Be Nice, Oh -- Can't Get Enough of That Funky Stuff, Tragic Magic, Gerber, The Judge, 32, 32-20, O.D., Correct, Official Correct, Past Due, Payback, Revenge, Green Tape, Red Tape, Rush, Swear to God, PraisePraisePraise, KillKillKill, Killer 1, Killer 2, KKK, Good Shiit, Taster's Choice, Harlem Hijack, Joint, Insured for Life, and Insured for Death were only a few of the brand names rubber-stamped onto cellophane bags. But none sold like Frank Lucas's Blue Magic.

"That's because with Blue Magic, you could get 10 percent purity," Lucas asserts. "Any other, if you got 5 percent, you were doing good. We put it out there at four in the afternoon, when the cops changed shifts. That gave you a couple of hours before those lazy bastards got down there. My buyers, though, you could set your watch by them. By four o'clock, we had enough niccas in the street to make a Tarzan movie. They had to reroute the bus on Eighth Avenue. Call the Transit Department if it's not so. By nine o'clock, I ain't got a fuccing gram. Everything is gone. Sold . . . and I got myself a million dollars.

"I'd sit there in Nellybelle and watch the money roll in," says Frank Lucas of those near-forgotten days when Abe Beame lay his pint-size head upon the pillow at Gracie Mansion. "And no one even knew it was me. I was a shadow. A ghost . . . what we call down home a haint . . . That was me, the Haint of Harlem."

[JMurder]

read the interview. its refreshing to see someone affiliated with rap speaking with sense, he aint on that fake studio gangster sh*t like 98% of these dudes are on, even though he certainly could be. he's right about jay-z and t.i., these f@ggots throwin around a drug baron's name in they sh*t to gain points aint whats up, not unless they slide him and his family some change for that. i hate rappers as people, they make me sick. lol @ jay-z comparing himself to the godfather and frank lucas and scarface, etc... :dry: you rapped for forever! klein let you hang around him like 100's of other little dojas, you wasn't nobody.
so in order to say a drug baron's name we gotta pay they families royalties?

:dry:

stfu

[hustlemania]

"And as far as Jay-Z’s portrayal of American Gangster, he doesn’t understand what "Blue Magic" is. He never satisfied the consumer, or educated them about "Blue Magic", and he never explained that. So if you’re going to tell the story, get it right. And the first rule of Hip-Hop is; don’t bite. He has nothing to do with The American Gangster; he never talked to my father."
^^^^^^^^^
there go jay z swagger jackin again....

[RandyBodek]

so in order to say a drug baron's name we gotta pay they families royalties?
:dry:
stfu

first off, what do you mean "we"?

second, yes. these dudes are p*ssys, why shouldn't frank lucas's fam put the squeeze on them for throwing his name around? gangsters live by a different creed, weak n!ggas like jay-z and t.i. can't be that loose with the lips publically, not unless somebody's getting paid.

[Gentility]

is Jay even in the movie? :blink: why would he promote a project, he has nothing to do with? it would seem as if he'd have actual DEF JAM artists to promote, rather than a movie he's not in..the fucc? it's called cross-promotion, he's feeding off the movie's hype. the more hype for American Gangster the movie, the more hype for American Gangster the album.

[44degreez]

what he know about the rules of hiphop...he mad Jay called his pops a snitch haha...ya pops aint follow the rules of the game that caused nikkas to do bids...so fuk not explainin what a blue magic is...jay is blue magic now.
:laugh:

[JMurder]

first off, what do you mean "we"?
second, yes. these dudes are p*ssys, why shouldn't frank lucas's fam put the squeeze on them for throwing his name around? gangsters live by a different creed, weak n!ggas like jay-z and t.i. can't be that loose with the lips publically, not unless somebody's getting paid.

:dry:

We = people...the average person. I've never heard of anybody getting paid for having their names mentioned, so for you to say this is fukkin dumb.

Jay-Z has mentioned famous names from Martha Stewart to Che Guevara to Al Capone but when he mentions Frank Lucas...oh...NOW he crossed the line.

:dry:

sensitive thugs, y'all all need :hug:

[RandyBodek]

:dry:
We = people...the average person. I've never heard of anybody getting paid for having their names mentioned, so for you to say this is fukkin dumb.
Jay-Z has mentioned famous names from Martha Stewart to Che Guevara to Al Capone but when he mentions Frank Lucas...oh...NOW he crossed the line.
:dry:
sensitive thugs, y'all all need :hug:

martha and che? hahaa. and al capone is dead. you think if al capone was still alive him and his people would let jay-z or whoever throw his name around without trying to put the squeeze on them? you can't be serious, he's a f'n gangster, thats what gangsters do. gangsters will muscle in on anybody for whatever bullsh*t reason, especially if its some cupcake ass rap artist with money. frank lucas was groomed under Bumpy, lol, you know what that means? it means if you using him in ANY type of way you better be slidin him some paper or else somethin's gonna happen. of course they can get away with it now because everythings corporate but in the real world, frank would eat jay-z's dinner for running with his life.

[hustlemania]

the fucc? it's called cross-promotion, he's feeding off the movie's hype. the more hype for American Gangster the movie, the more hype for American Gangster the album.
so i guess its cool for rappers to just pick a random movie they're not in, and drop a album "cross promoting" it now? so, Lupe shouldve done a "inspired by Transformers" album.. :dry:

[EVIL]

the thing the really surprise me is the makers of the movie is letting jay z drop a album with the same name and it has nothing to do with the soundtrack.:huh:

edit: i guess its "cross promotion" .....LMAO......

[jayshiggs]

:dry:
We = people...the average person. I've never heard of anybody getting paid for having their names mentioned, so for you to say this is fukkin dumb.
Jay-Z has mentioned famous names from Martha Stewart to Che Guevara to Al Capone but when he mentions Frank Lucas...oh...NOW he crossed the line.
:dry:
sensitive thugs, y'all all need :hug:

Uh he's doing more than mentioning him in lines he is basing a whole album on his life. A bit different don't you think.
I hear where the son Lucas is coming. Ideally Jay should go thru the proper channels to get this concept done right. But he's part of the machine and really doesn't have to answer to the inspiration behind the story just those putting it on film. Glazer is cool w/ Jigga's move so I'm sure Jigga feels justified in making the album.
If Frank Lucas and his son feel a way about it they are entitled to that as well.

[44degreez]

first off, what do you mean "we"?
second, yes. these dudes are p*ssys, why shouldn't frank lucas's fam put the squeeze on them for throwing his name around? gangsters live by a different creed, weak n!ggas like jay-z and t.i. can't be that loose with the lips publically, not unless somebody's getting paid.
Do you know who you're talking about? Lucas is notoriously "loose with the lips".

[Gentility]

so i guess its cool for rappers to just pick a random movie they're not in, and drop a album "cross promoting" it now? so, Lupe shouldve done a "inspired by Transformers" album.. :dry:no, it's not cool.

it's fuccin brilliant.

[RandyBodek]

Uh he's doing more than mentioning him in lines he is basing a whole album on his life. A bit different don't you think.
I hear where the son Lucas is coming. Ideally Jay should go thru the proper channels to get this concept done right. But he's part of the machine and really doesn't have to answer to the inspiration behind the story just those putting it on film. Glazer is cool w/ Jigga's move so I'm sure Jigga feels justified in making the album.
If Frank Lucas and his son feel a way about it they are entitled to that as well.

exactly.

[SneakerT]

Ok, I'm not a big Jay fan (and I've gotten on him too), but come on. Jay's album is only serving as a soundtrack for the movie. It has nothing to do with Jay personally. He already stated in his latest interview that he isn't Frank Lucas. For those that don't know what Blue Magic is. It's a stronger and purer form of heroin. That was sold in blue packets

[evergreen]

first off, what do you mean "we"?
second, yes. these dudes are p*ssys, why shouldn't frank lucas's fam put the squeeze on them for throwing his name around? gangsters live by a different creed, weak n!ggas like jay-z and t.i. can't be that loose with the lips publically, not unless somebody's getting paid.

:laugh: :laugh:

Get off Frank's d*ck...rappers have been name dropping gangsters names...both real and fake for years...and now because you read some interview & are caught in the hype behind a movie you're gonna start saying rappers should be paying for name dropping? gtfoh.

Frank Lucas ended up as snitch...and you're saying TI & Jigga have loose lips? :laugh: :dry:

[wolf2007]

So what does he want? Jay to go pay respect to his daddy? F*ck outta here
And oh Who has loose lips more than his Daddy

[EVIL]

no, it's not cool.

it's fuccin brilliant.

not its not,its biting and leeching on to a movie hype.:dry:

[RandyBodek]

Do you know who you're talking about? Lucas is notoriously "loose with the lips".

so? so is sammy gravano. but i bet if you go to arizona right now... well not right now since he's back in the joint but if you'd a went there when he was active you'd definitely have to pay a tribute to him for using his name to get money. everybody knew he was a snitch and he STILL ran a multi-state ecstacy ring and provided protection for an Aryan gang out there. just because a gangster isn't a stand up guy doesn't mean they're not still a gangster.

[Gentility]

the thing the really surprise me is the makers of the movie is letting jay z drop a album with the same name and it has nothing to do with the soundtrack.:huh:

edit: i guess its "cross promotion" .....LMAO......that's correct. it works both ways. the same way Jay is feeding off the movie, the movie makers are feeding off Jay-Z's new album. i mean they haven't even started to seriously promote it yet and imagine how many more people are aware of the movie cause of Jay.

the producers are thrilled to have this unheard of promotion and you can bet they're all behind the scenes working on smarter ways to use it.

[44degreez]

Uh he's doing more than mentioning him in lines he is basing a whole album on his life. A bit different don't you think.
I hear where the son Lucas is coming. Ideally Jay should go thru the proper channels to get this concept done right. But he's part of the machine and really doesn't have to answer to the inspiration behind the story just those putting it on film. Glazer is cool w/ Jigga's move so I'm sure Jigga feels justified in making the album.
If Frank Lucas and his son feel a way about it they are entitled to that as well.
This is all true. I just think dude is misplacing his aggression. If he had a problem with his pops' story being exploited, there shouldn't be a blockbuster movie about it. All Jay's involvement ends up doing is promoting the movie further.

[evergreen]

Uh he's doing more than mentioning him in lines he is basing a whole album on his life. A bit different don't you think.
I hear where the son Lucas is coming. Ideally Jay should go thru the proper channels to get this concept done right. But he's part of the machine and really doesn't have to answer to the inspiration behind the story just those putting it on film. Glazer is cool w/ Jigga's move so I'm sure Jigga feels justified in making the album.
If Frank Lucas and his son feel a way about it they are entitled to that as well.

Jay said he was "inspired" by the movie...he's not making an album to tell Frank's story...he's using it as a vehicle for a concept album. When you say "proper channels"...he most definitely has gone and spoke to the studio & producers of the movie and got the blessing. It's a cross-promotional thing and is definitely not an independent jack move by Hov.

[RandyBodek]

:laugh: :laugh:
Get off Frank's d*ck...rappers have been name dropping gangsters names...both real and fake for years...and now because you read some interview & are caught in the hype behind a movie you're gonna start saying rappers should be paying for name dropping? gtfoh.
Frank Lucas ended up as snitch...and you're saying TI & Jigga have loose lips? :laugh: :dry:

ti and jigga are cupcakes who think they're tough, gangsters prey on these type of people. you dudes obviously don't know sh*t though so whats the point of this back and forth? this sh*t feels madd corny to me. go learn ya history then holla at me. a rat bastid gangster will still extort or at least attempt to extort a tough guy rapper if the opportunity presented itself, why not? they put the squeeze on n!ggas for NO reason, lol, so of course these dudes trying to use their name to gain points is all the reason in the world to them to go at them and try to get some money out of em. look at the old head ricky ross being a little salty with the rapper guy rick ross, he felt like rick should be sendin him some checks. thats just the logic of a gangster.

[44degreez]

not its not,its biting and leeching on to a movie hype.:dry:
morals and business do not mix.

[JMurder]

Uh he's doing more than mentioning him in lines Jay is making a whole album inspired by a movie about his life

fixed

And yes, Frank Lucas Jr. is justified in thinking Jay shoulda came up to the real Frank Lucas but obviously Jay ain't care about the real one...just the one Denzel portrayed. And you still failed to mention why any person should make money off of their name usage. There are albums that are named after celebrities...inspired by the real people...and none of those people made a penny off of it. But Frank Lucas family deserves money for what now?

[hustlemania]

no, it's not cool.
it's fuccin brilliant.
:thumbsdow and the easily impressed hip-hop fan, has spoken.. if Jay wore a purple Barney suit, and snapped danced w/the Statue of Liberty to "cross promote", id assume you'd think it was "brilliant" as well...

[Gentility]

not its not,its biting and leeching on to a movie hype.:dry:
:laugh: damn, ya'll done turned me into a Jigger Warrior for this thread.

look i don't care for him as a rapper but as a businessman he makes great moves. yeah he's using it as an excuse to justifiably do coke rhymes but success is all about capitalizing on opportunities. he got a pre-screening of the movie, ideas rolled in his head and he put shiit together.

if Jay just came out with another album, it would be Jay coming out with another album. instead, like Kingdom Come, he turned it into an event.

[kanethegreat]

not its not,its biting and leeching on to a movie hype.:dry:

The star of the movie, Denzel Washington, asked and lobbied for him to do the official soundtrack, so that's where the idea cam from originally. Not biting or leeching by a long shot

[JMurder]

ti and jigga are cupcakes who think they're tough, gangsters prey on these type of people. you dudes obviously don't know sh*t though so whats the point of this back and forth? this sh*t feels madd corny to me. go learn ya history then holla at me. a rat bastid gangster will still extort or at least attempt to extort a tough guy rapper if the opportunity presented itself, why not? they put the squeeze on n!ggas for NO reason, lol, so of course these dudes trying to use their name to gain points is all the reason in the world to them to go at them and try to get some money out of em. look at the old head ricky ross being a little salty with the rapper guy rick ross, he felt like rick should be sendin him some checks. thats just the logic of a gangster.

Jay >>>> Frank Lucas

[EVIL]

that's correct. it works both ways. the same way Jay is feeding off the movie, the movie makers are feeding off Jay-Z's new album. i mean they haven't even started to seriously promote it yet and imagine how many more people are aware of the movie cause of Jay.
the producers are thrilled to have this unheard of promotion and you can bet they're all behind the scenes working on smarter ways to use it.

that movie was going to sell at the box office without jay z reminding us.thats why he start leeching off the movie soon after seen seen a sneak preview cause he knew it was a instant hit and wanted to run to the studio before all these other rappers seen the movie and rapped about it like they did "menace to society","juice","new jack city" and countless other "gangster" movies...:dry:

[RandyBodek]

Jay >>>> Frank Lucas

what, a better rapper? :laugh:

[EVIL]

:laugh: damn, ya'll done turned me into a Jigger Warrior for this thread.
look i don't care for him as a rapper but as a businessman he makes great moves. yeah he's using it as an excuse to justifiably do coke rhymes but success is all about capitalizing on opportunities. he got a pre-screening of the movie, ideas rolled in his head and he put shiit together.

=biter/swagger jacker

[Gentility]

that movie was going to sell at the box office without jay z reminding us.thats why he start leeching off the movie soon after seen seen a sneak preview cause he knew it was a instant hit and wanted to run to the studio before all these other rappers seen the movie and rapped about it like they did "menace to society","juice","new jack city" and countless other "gangster" movies...:dry:of course it was going to sell, it stars Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe for christ's sake.

but nobody turns down free publicity and the more promotion the movie makers can get, the broader the audience they can reach. Jay has done for them what no soundtrack would have, it's a quid pro quo situation.

[EVIL]

lets look at this for a second...

no movie hype behind it,lets say JAY Z is coming out with a album called "American Gangster" with the lead single called "blue magic".

how much you think that will sell?....LMAO...what,500,000 first week?

flip this around...

American Gangster movie comin out starring Denzel Washington and Russell Crow comin soon to a theater near you...

100,000,000 first week...

but its called "cross promotion" jay z is helping THEM out.....LOL...

o.k......im done.....you win...i lose.

[JMurder]

of course it was going to sell, it stars Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe for christ's sake.
but nobody turns down free publicity and the more promotion the movie makers can get, the broader the audience they can reach. Jay has done for them what no soundtrack would have, it's a quid pro quo situation.
:yes:

[evergreen]

ti and jigga are cupcakes who think they're tough, gangsters prey on these type of people. you dudes obviously don't know sh*t though so whats the point of this back and forth? this sh*t feels madd corny to me. go learn ya history then holla at me. a rat bastid gangster will still extort or at least attempt to extort a tough guy rapper if the opportunity presented itself, why not? they put the squeeze on n!ggas for NO reason, lol, so of course these dudes trying to use their name to gain points is all the reason in the world to them to go at them and try to get some money out of em. look at the old head ricky ross being a little salty with the rapper guy rick ross, he felt like rick should be sendin him some checks. thats just the logic of a gangster.

What kind of fantasy world do you live in?? You sound like you've watched one too many American Gangster episodes and mob movies. Press pause on the remote and get outta your moms basement for some fresh air.

:laugh: @ "that's just the logic of a gangster"

[Ovastans]

The star of the movie, Denzel Washington, asked and lobbied for him to do the official soundtrack, so that's where the idea cam from originally. Not biting or leeching by a long shot

:yes: tell these lil' dudes the reality so they can get even more :mad: :mad:

:laugh: :laugh: you dudes are pathetic and sad but stangely entertaining like watching a retarted dude drunk :laugh: :laugh:

[bigmanharris]

So what does he want? Jay to go pay respect to his daddy? F*ck outta here
And oh Who has loose lips more than his Daddy


Who did Frank Lucas snitch on?

[Blackthoughts]

so i guess its cool for rappers to just pick a random movie they're not in, and drop a album "cross promoting" it now? so, Lupe shouldve done a "inspired by Transformers" album.. :dry:
Got damn thats a great point tho.I mean damn Jay is tryna use the movie for buzz just like he used budweiser for pub for his single.Dude is desperate and cant sell off his name anymore he needs all the outlets he can get.

[44degreez]

but its called "cross promotion" jay z is helping THEM out.....LOL.....

o.k......im done.....you win...i lose......
nah, Jay's an unknown underground rapper. How could this possibly help with promo? Nobody will see the video or even care about the concept. :laugh: