The only song Big was ever outrhymed on was 'Dead Wrong' by Eminem. [Archive]

Karim Kharbouch

10-04-07, 07:11 PM

And I have a strong feeling if Big was alive when that dropped he would have went back in the booth and made that ish mad iller.
dude, you cant say Big got outrhymed, Big's verse was simply an accapella, put on a track, as Em had a up to date flow, and knew what beat and rhythm to rhyme over

Ca$$ius Clay

10-04-07, 07:12 PM

"The What"

1970's Heron Flow

10-04-07, 07:15 PM

Guys, this really isn't up for debate. It's a stone cold fact.

Karim Kharbouch

10-04-07, 07:20 PM

Guys, this really isn't up for debate. It's a stone cold fact.
dude, you cant say Big got outrhymed, Big's verse was simply an accapella, put on a track, as Em had a up to date flow, and knew what beat and rhythm to rhyme over

MartinAsante

10-04-07, 07:24 PM

What about Brooklyn's Finest?
pRetty even. it was Jay'z song eithere way

westkoast2k2

10-04-07, 07:28 PM

The thread starter lies about his heritage...but he's not lying about this.

H-Lo

10-04-07, 07:32 PM

"The What"
:dry:

you can not be serious

1970's Heron Flow

10-04-07, 07:34 PM

:dry:

you can not be serious
For reals... Lolz @ the thought of Meth outrhyming Big. Preposterious!

Sunzoo aka LC

10-04-07, 07:37 PM

Tony Gambino

10-04-07, 07:38 PM

Not even close. Big has never been outshined on a track by anyone. Lyrically Em got murdered on "Dead Wrong" people were just feelin his flow more that's why they say Em outshined Big.

1970's Heron Flow

10-04-07, 07:38 PM

now *****s will diss me...but while i dont call it an official "outshining", em did get biggie on his own song, two points tho

1. big came ill but those verses on dead wrong werent even top 5 of his best verses...up there there

2. big was dead...had he known who em was i believe he would have stepped it up a notch

but the thing is...i dont think big coulda came any harder than that on that beat wether he was alive or not, i still think em woulda stole the show...great ass collabo even if it was posthumous

em hung with pac on "one day at a time" in that same respect tho, peeps sleep on that song
Why even bring up Pac into a discussion about spitting dope rhymes? Everyone knows Pac wasn't a dope lyricist.

1970's Heron Flow

10-04-07, 07:40 PM

Not even close. Big has never been outshined on a track by anyone. Lyrically Em got murdered on "Dead Wrong" people were just feelin his flow more that's why they say Em outshined Big.
Dog, I'm probably the biggest Big fan ever, but Em got duke... his lyrics was next level and easily the best he's EVER spit. Even Em can't match those verses ever again.

bay224

10-04-07, 07:41 PM

biggie was always garbage...........weezy killz him and eminem.

Karim Kharbouch

10-04-07, 07:41 PM

now *****s will diss me...but while i dont call it an official "outshining", em did get biggie on his own song, two points tho

1. big came ill but those verses on dead wrong werent even top 5 of his best verses...up there there

2. big was dead...had he known who em was i believe he would have stepped it up a notch

but the thing is...i dont think big coulda came any harder than that on that beat wether he was alive or not, i still think em woulda stole the show...great ass collabo even if it was posthumous

em hung with pac on "one day at a time" in that same respect tho, peeps sleep on that song
you people can be so clueless
Its a reason you didnt hear that verse when Biggie was alive.
Again its EASY to outrhyme a person on a song that they had no intentions on releasing, and to further my point. Biggie used his lyrics and flow and structure and whole verse to another beat. Em heard this track and wrote to IT.

Tony Gambino

10-04-07, 07:45 PM

Dog, I'm probably the biggest Big fan ever, but Em got duke... his lyrics was next level and easily the best he's EVER spit. Even Em can't match those verses ever again.His verse on "Patiently Waiting" sh*ts on that verse. One of the biggest misconceptions in Hip Hop. Along with DMX outshinin Jay on "Money, Cash, Hoes" and Em outshinin Jay on "Renegade".

Em's just puttin sh*t together. That verses relys heavily off his flow it's not more lyrical than the sh*t Biggie was spittin.

1970's Heron Flow

10-04-07, 07:51 PM

His verse on "Patiently Waiting" sh*ts on that verse. One of the biggest misconceptions in Hip Hop. Along with DMX outshinin Jay on "Money, Cash, Hoes" and Em outshinin Jay on "Renegade".

Em's just puttin sh*t together. That verses relys heavily off his flow it's not more lyrical than the sh*t Biggie was spittin.
You're trippin man. Wowserz.

Freestyle Phantom

10-04-07, 07:55 PM

What about Brooklyn's Finest?
:yes:

yseJ

10-04-07, 08:06 PM

hell no
biggie's lyrics on this shyt were vicious as fukk
add in the fact that em (in his prime might i add) heard big's verses before and still couldnt match up to him.

Lord Mecca

10-04-07, 08:07 PM

pfffffft Biggie got killed by that dude on "Gimme The Loot"
lol @ y'all actin like biggie fans and never even heard his first album Life After Death :rolleyes:

1970's Heron Flow

10-04-07, 08:11 PM

pfffffft Biggie got killed by that dude on "Gimme The Loot"
lol @ y'all actin like biggie fans and never even heard his first album Life After Death :rolleyes:
Lolz.

yseJ

10-04-07, 08:16 PM

biggie was always garbage...........weezy kiss him and eminem.
:gag: :gag: :gag:

ptahblade07

10-04-07, 08:20 PM

you cant even quote 1 hot bar from em verse...

if he was just black.....

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Art Barr

10-04-07, 08:21 PM

1970's Heron Flow]Guys, this really isn't up for debate. It's a stone cold fact[/U].

dude, you cant say Big got outrhymed, Big's verse was simply an accapella, put on a track, as Em had a up to date flow, and knew what beat and rhythm to rhyme over

that sh!t was hot;

heron
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kharbouch

art barr

double co-sizzle verbatim style

could we flip this one into the old a55 battle of busta rhymes versus biggie before method man vs biggie, on flava in ya ear remix, and then............... dead all the sohh.com/forums bullsh!t whinin' about busta bein on remixes and features.

art barr

Art Barr

10-04-07, 08:23 PM

pfffffft Biggie got killed by that dude on "Gimme The Loot"
lol @ y'all actin like biggie fans and never even heard his first album Life After Death :rolleyes:

lol

BrainCellKilla

10-04-07, 08:25 PM

Ems verse is wack.

1970's Heron Flow

10-04-07, 08:32 PM

Ems verse is wack.
:hmm:

euro dirt

10-04-07, 08:46 PM

what a sh-t topic

Regulate94

10-04-07, 08:46 PM

nope....dead wrong was equal, the what ..big got him

the only **** that he mayyyybe got outshinned on is only u by mase

Mase's verse was sooooo sick,,,biggies was too though

Regulate94

10-04-07, 08:49 PM

Sunzoo aka LC

10-04-07, 08:57 PM

Why even bring up Pac into a discussion about spitting dope rhymes? Everyone knows Pac wasn't a dope lyricist.

pac was one of the dopest lyricists ever, lyrcism does not stop with punchlines and metaphors, the main componet of being a lyricist is being able to write SONGS, not jokes in rhyme form...when "punchlines" became the most important thing to lyrcism is the day that hip hop as a whole got worse

pac was a brilliant lyricst, i'm just saying that if we are gonna act like em embarrased biggie or something well he also hung with pac, who was spitting some dope **** also

i still dont think biggie could have got em on that song...but had he been alive to know how ill dude was, he would most likely not have used those verses, he woulda came even nicer than he already did...em had time to sit and make SURE that he at least held his own, let alone steal the show like that against a dead man

Puerto Rican Gary

10-04-07, 08:58 PM

"Notorious Thugs" Bone dusted him. But all in all he wasn't on tracks with that many people

FlavaUpNorth

10-04-07, 09:01 PM

Not to mention Pac outshined him on Runnin...As he did gettin inched out by stretch on house of pain...

Sunzoo aka LC

10-04-07, 09:04 PM

you people can be so clueless
Its a reason you didnt hear that verse when Biggie was alive.
Again its EASY to outrhyme a person on a song that they had no intentions on releasing, and to further my point. Biggie used his lyrics and flow and structure and whole verse to another beat. Em heard this track and wrote to IT.

clueless about what? did you even read my post? i know all of this already, if biggie were alive and actually knew what em was CAPABLE of, then it would have been a different story and i STILL think em would have done the same thing to big, as he did to jay on renegade...edge out the "win" by flow and wordplay, not content or substance

so i say it's not OFFICIAL, as far as outshining someone goes because those verses were obviously not biggies best work, but technicaly that verse STOLE THE SHOW, but wouldnt call either of bigs verses on that song his better 16's, they were nice tho

1970's Heron Flow

10-04-07, 09:13 PM

pac was one of the dopest lyricists ever, lyrcism does not stop with punchlines and metaphors, the main componet of being a lyricist is being able to write SONGS, not jokes in rhyme form...when "punchlines" became the most important thing to lyrcism is the day that hip hop as a whole got worse

pac was a brilliant lyricst, i'm just saying that if we are gonna act like em embarrased biggie or something well he also hung with pac, who was spitting some dope **** also

i still dont think biggie could have got em on that song...but had he been alive to know how ill dude was, he would most likely not have used those verses, he woulda came even nicer than he already did...em had time to sit and make SURE that he at least held his own, let alone steal the show like that against a dead man
Lol, you a funny dude man. Pac was a horrible lyricist but he had everything else that's mad important in a rapper. Charisma, emotion, and the ability to make his feelings come over on wax. Dude was a horrendus MC though.

Art Barr

10-04-07, 09:15 PM

what a sh-t topic

in

theory but this is;

forums.sohh.com

so bear with us while we get our physical comedy routine together for all to view on the internet.

art barr

Sunzoo aka LC

10-04-07, 09:20 PM

Lol, you a funny dude man. Pac was a horrible lyricist but he had everything else that's mad important in a rapper. Charisma, emotion, and the ability to make his feelings come over on wax. Dude was a horrendus MC though.

see thats why the game is ****ed up because you got cats like this THINKING that punchlines and puns are the end all be all to being an emcee...it does not work like that homie, pac was a GREAT lyricist, a great emcee...as well, just because he didnt over use metaphors and witty jokes does not make him any less of a lyricist

lyr·i·cism (lr-szm)
n.
1.
a. The character or quality of subjectivity and sensuality of expression, especially in the arts.
b. The quality or state of being melodious; melodiousness.
2. An intense outpouring of exuberant emotion.

lyr·i·cist (lr-sst)
n.
A writer of song lyrics. Also called lyrist.

so by your defintion cassidy is a better lyricist or MC than 2pac because he can make a funny comparsion between his jewelry and a pepsi 1 can...da **** outta here man, i guess scarface is a horrendous "MC" too, ice cube wasnt technically skilled either, does that rule him out? you cant POSSIBLY be a great song writer (pac is the greatest song writer in hip hop history) and be a bad lyricst, the two go hand in hand

1970's Heron Flow

10-04-07, 09:26 PM

see thats why the game is ****ed up because you got cats like this THINKING that punchlines and puns are the end all be all to being an emcee...it does not work like that homie, pac was a GREAT lyricist, a great emcee...as well, just because he didnt over use metaphors and witty jokes does not make him any less of a lyricist

lyr·i·cism (lr-szm)
n.
1.
a. The character or quality of subjectivity and sensuality of expression, especially in the arts.
b. The quality or state of being melodious; melodiousness.
2. An intense outpouring of exuberant emotion.

lyr·i·cist (lr-sst)
n.
A writer of song lyrics. Also called lyrist.

so by your defintion cassidy is a better lyricist or MC than 2pac because he can make a funny comparsion between his jewelry and a pepsi 1 can...da **** outta here man, i guess scarface is a horrendous "MC" too, ice cube wasnt technically skilled either, does that rule him out? you cant POSSIBLY be a great song writer (pac is the greatest song writer in hip hop history) and be a bad lyricst, the two go hand in hand
Shut the fucc up .

Kid-Wave

10-04-07, 09:30 PM

"The What"
no doubt, meth was fire

Sunzoo aka LC

10-04-07, 09:30 PM

make me you off brand cunt, just accept you loss and keep it moving

1970's Heron Flow

10-04-07, 09:33 PM

make me you off brand cunt, just accept you loss and keep it moving
You assume mad retarded sh!t. When did I ever give my criteria for a lyricist? When did I say Cassidy was better then anyone? You're a dumb wanna be asswhore. Now stfu and go get ya fuccing shinebox!

Karim Kharbouch

10-04-07, 09:40 PM

clueless about what? did you even read my post? i know all of this already, if biggie were alive and actually knew what em was CAPABLE of, then it would have been a different story and i STILL think em would have done the same thing to big, as he did to jay on renegade...edge out the "win" by flow and wordplay, not content or substance
so i say it's not OFFICIAL, as far as outshining someone goes because those verses were obviously not biggies best work, but technicaly that verse STOLE THE SHOW, but wouldnt call either of bigs verses on that song his better 16's, they were nice tho
I said you was clueless for a reason
I mean you dont even seem to understand the concept of advantage and opprotunity here. You take Michael Jordans worst came in his prime(about 13 I think)
and compare it to Kobe's in his prime(about 81)

to the unknown, Mike J looked like a chump didnt he?

Sunzoo aka LC

10-04-07, 09:45 PM

I said you was clueless for a reason
I mean you dont even seem to understand the concept of advantage and opprotunity here. You take Michael Jordans worst came in his prime(about 13 I think)
and compare it to Kobe's in his prime(about 81)
to the unknown, Mike J looked like a chump didnt he?

dog...do i have to say this **** again? i UNDERSTAND, trust me...i know what the situation is which is why when i bring up people that em has outshined (reggie, royce, meth, masta ace ect.) i dont include biggie...those were obviously unreleased verses because they were NOT biggies best, so while em's verse was a show stealer, it was not going up against anywhere near a top 5 biggie verse, thats why in the grand scheme of things we should not count it as official

what else do you want me to say? and nobody is saying biggie looked like a chump, for what it was...em completely destroyed a collabo with a dead man that had NO idea he'd be "competing"...had big known who em was and what he could do with a mic i'm sure he would have WENT IN, and i still think a "renegade" situation would have happened, where em got by on flow and lyrcism rather than substance...i'm not saying this **** again

Karim Kharbouch

10-04-07, 09:48 PM

dog...do i have to say this **** again? i UNDERSTAND, trust me...i know what the situation is which is why when i bring up people that em has outshined (reggie, royce, meth, masta ace ect.) i dont include biggie...those were obviously unreleased verses because they were NOT biggies best, so while em's verse was a show stealer, it was not going up against anywhere near a top 5 biggie verse, thats why in the grand scheme of things we should not count it as official

what else do you want me to say? and nobody is saying biggie looked like a chump, for what it was...em completely destroyed a collabo with a dead man that had NO idea he'd be "competing"...had big known who em was and what he could do with a mic i'm sure he would have WENT IN, and i still think a "renegade" situation would have happened, where em got by on flow and lyrcism rather than substance...i'm not saying this **** again
Stanning at its best.
Biggie would have whooped Em's ass in the studio together
Em had his flow to to cover up for his supreme lack of substance in his rhymes, that has now wained too

Sunzoo aka LC

10-04-07, 09:59 PM

Stanning at its best.
Biggie would have whooped Em's ass in the studio together
Em had his flow to to cover up for his supreme lack of substance in his rhymes, that has now wained too

stanning...so thats what this is about, we basically saying the same thing yet you want to call me a stan, thats all you can really say

and em DID destroy a collabo with dead man...you can agree with that right? jay-z is by far a better lyricist than biggie smalls (the only thing big had over jay even in the 90's was delivery) and in most peoples opinons em roasted jay...i myself believe that they were pretty EQUAL, jay said some real ish, em spit some clever well constructed ****...i think the same exact situation would have happened with big where some people would want to hand em the "win" based on his technical presentation of the RHYME

how is that stannery? you *****s need a better argument, i'm just saying the reaction to the public would be the same as the jay vs. em situation, if you dont agree then cool, anythings possible, but if i was a stan i would say em wins everything hands down, i have never been on that type of ****

jay and em on renegade = dead even in my eyes...but because of his impressive flow and multi bar presentation people like to give him the edge

1970's Heron Flow

10-04-07, 10:33 PM

stanning...so thats what this is about, we basically saying the same thing yet you want to call me a stan, thats all you can really say

and em DID destroy a collabo with dead man...you can agree with that right? jay-z is by far a better lyricist than biggie smalls (the only thing big had over jay even in the 90's was delivery) and in most peoples opinons em roasted jay...i myself believe that they were pretty EQUAL, jay said some real ish, em spit some clever well constructed ****...i think the same exact situation would have happened with big where some people would want to hand em the "win" based on his technical presentation of the RHYME

how is that stannery? you *****s need a better argument, i'm just saying the reaction to the public would be the same as the jay vs. em situation, if you dont agree then cool, anythings possible, but if i was a stan i would say em wins everything hands down, i have never been on that type of ****

jay and em on renegade = dead even in my eyes...but because of his impressive flow and multi bar presentation people like to give him the edge
You sound like the biggest stan on earth homey. I suggest you just stfu and keep it movin bruh.