Jay-Z having to rap about drugs again to make a good record = Corny

[LastEmperor2k2]

Honestly, when I heard he was inspired by American Gangster and he was deciding to do a new album based on it I was a bit dissapointed.

There is so many other things in life that could bring inspiration that he hasn`t touched on yet, but instead he is going to resort back to the same sh1t he was rhyming on his first album?!

Sad. Im`a big fan of Jay-Z, and I even like the new track, but it`s just dissapointing he can`t rap about some other sh1t in 2007 (War in Iraq, Jena 6 etc.)

It`d be nice to see an MC get inspiration from a great book, instead of a gangster movie.

[Dead End]

yeah that is corny

[Knowl]

Honestly, when I heard he was inspired by American Gangster and he was deciding to do a new album based on it I was a bit dissapointed.
There is so many other things in life that could bring inspiration that he hasn`t touched on yet, but instead he is going to resort back to the same sh1t he was rhyming on his first album?!
Sad. Im`a big fan of Jay-Z, and I even like the new track, but it`s just dissapointing he can`t rap about some other sh1t in 2007 (War in Iraq, Jena 6 etc.)
It`d be nice to see an MC get inspiration from a great book, instead of a gangster movie.Real talk though......... respect the creativity aspect of it. I respect Jay for this move because he's pushin the line creatively. The album is supposed to be his lyrical interpretation of the movie. I mean we still have to hear the album, but I think it's go'n be interesting to see what the movie will bring out of him...

[hiphop3000]

Honestly, when I heard he was inspired by American Gangster and he was deciding to do a new album based on it I was a bit dissapointed.
There is so many other things in life that could bring inspiration that he hasn`t touched on yet, but instead he is going to resort back to the same sh1t he was rhyming on his first album?!
Sad. Im`a big fan of Jay-Z, and I even like the new track, but it`s just dissapointing he can`t rap about some other sh1t in 2007 (War in Iraq, Jena 6 etc.)
It`d be nice to see an MC get inspiration from a great book, instead of a gangster movie.:thumbsdow remember this when u wake up every morning:u are only a customer.

[TheVoice315]

man he aint rappin bout that man...did n1ggas check kanye for it?...this album has a concept stop crying go listen to that immortal n1gga or something

[Kanekash]

Why u complaining? Jay can't make good songs about Iraq or Jena 6, that aint his style. U said u a huge fan, u said u like the new song, so that's it. Leave it be.

[Sunzoo aka LC]

Honestly, when I heard he was inspired by American Gangster and he was deciding to do a new album based on it I was a bit dissapointed.
There is so many other things in life that could bring inspiration that he hasn`t touched on yet, but instead he is going to resort back to the same sh1t he was rhyming on his first album?!
Sad. Im`a big fan of Jay-Z, and I even like the new track, but it`s just dissapointing he can`t rap about some other sh1t in 2007 (War in Iraq, Jena 6 etc.)
It`d be nice to see an MC get inspiration from a great book, instead of a gangster movie.


remember when jay got inspiration from katrina? that was a great record and NOBODY embraced it, and *****s called it corny..yall should learn how to make up your mind about **** and maybe you wouldnt have rappers trying to cater to your fickle ass needs...like if jay made a song about the jena 6 *****s would LIKE it, they would clown it any you know it...now that he's back on the type of **** everybody wanted, so and so's dissapointed

jay is not jesse jackson, he's an emcee, inspired by a book? thats ideal and certainly a good idea, but do you think these ***gots would actually listen to it? they skimmed thru the LEAST shallow album jay has ever made and called it trash, now he's back to bragging and people are up in arms

these rappers are dammed if they do dammed if they dont in the eyes of the fickle ass public, i say **** it, rap bout what you want to rap about because it's always gonna be some salty ass ***** wether you spitting about the cause or about the broads, just listen to the music *****

yall want the old jay-z back (kingdom come jay-z is nice as **** to me) but what do you expect the old jay-z to rap about? the new corperate jay-z topics? see where i'm going with this?

[MRc.]

lol i might put this in my sig


"The Album is Based on a film coming out the same day"

[TheVoice315]

remember when jay got inspiration from katrina? that was a great record and NOBODY embraced it, and *****s called it corny..yall should learn how to make up your mind about **** and maybe you wouldnt have rappers trying to cater to your fickle ass needs...like if jay made a song about the jena 6 *****s would LIKE it, they would clown it any you know it...now that he's back on the type of **** everybody wanted, so and so's dissapointed

jay is not jesse jackson, he's an emcee, inspired by a book? thats ideal and certainly a good idea, but do you think these ***gots would actually listen to it? they skimmed thru the LEAST shallow album jay has ever made and called it trash, now he's back to bragging and people are up in arms

these rappers are dammed if they do dammed if they dont in the eyes of the fickle ass public, i say **** it, rap bout what you want to rap about because it's always gonna be some salty ass ***** wether you spitting about the cause or about the broads, just listen to the music *****

yall want the old jay-z back (kingdom come jay-z is nice as **** to me) but what do you expect the old jay-z to rap about? the new corperate jay-z topics? see where i'm going with this?
and with that my friend the thread is closed

[B. Steez]

Why u complaining? Jay can't make good songs about Iraq or Jena 6, that aint his style. U said u a huge fan, u said u like the new song, so that's it. Leave it be.

of course he can..his song about Katrina was incredible..and arguably one of his greatest verses...

But, as we are all fans of Jay, we know we can't expect that side of him to be promoted...which is sad considering the positive things he can do in the position he's in...

[THE 101]

ya'll fukkas are never satisfied. Yous say he was too Hollywood on Kingdom Come, now he cant rap street. C'mon now, just enjoy the music.

[illwill01]

nah, rapping about having good credit is corny. people wanna hear about struggle and drama, that is what is intriguing and although Jay doesn't live like that anymore, he still got the memories from all those years and if a movie can inspire him like that then its all good. I would be willin to bet money this album will be better than Kingdome Come.

[TheRain]

I hate when n*ggas talking dumb sh*t like "he should be rapping about Jena 6, War on Iraq, etc..." These are rappers. They ain't no damn politicians. You already know about Jena 6, you already know about the War on Iraq. They ain't no news anchors. They rappers. They rap about the things they feel like rapping about.

[CaseyJones]

I hate when n*ggas talking dumb sh*t like "he should be rapping about Jena 6, War on Iraq, etc..." These are rappers. They ain't no damn politicians. You already know about Jena 6, you already know about the War on Iraq. They ain't no news anchors. They rappers. They rap about the things they feel like rapping about.

Im not saying i want to see Jay do it, but Marvin Gaye, prince, countless other artists were able create songs based on current events that became timeless musical classic, why cant rappers do that as well?

[Spokes]

drug rap is not hip hop
hov lost again!

[Peter Lawford]

lol @ some internent nerds tellin jay he cant rap about drugs. thats like my 5th grade gym teacher tellin kobe he cant shoot 3's anymore.

[illwill01]

Why u complaining? Jay can't make good songs about Iraq or Jena 6, that aint his style.

Minority Report?

[Sunzoo aka LC]

Minority Report?

nobody liked minority report, they were calling it forced and phoney...and then expect him to rap about jena 6 after they SHUNNED what was the most "conscious" incarnation of sean carter as an artist, what do you *****s really want?

[keon]

the god m.c don't giva fukk if u think this or that is corny..he do what he wanna do..nerd

[checkman]

this song is craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

except i dont write my name on the wall
i write my name in the history books,hustlin in the hall

[Classics]

He do this every time. Say he takin it back to Reasonable Doubt time. Then everyone eats it up for a month and then he drops a Bonnie & Clyde record and his album be filled with non-sense.

F*ck hype; I want music.

[digitaldruglord]

Honestly, when I heard he was inspired by American Gangster and he was deciding to do a new album based on it I was a bit dissapointed.
There is so many other things in life that could bring inspiration that he hasn`t touched on yet, but instead he is going to resort back to the same sh1t he was rhyming on his first album?!
Sad. Im`a big fan of Jay-Z, and I even like the new track, but it`s just dissapointing he can`t rap about some other sh1t in 2007 (War in Iraq, Jena 6 etc.)
It`d be nice to see an MC get inspiration from a great book, instead of a gangster movie.

I can respect your view. The thing is that Jay first started out as this type of rapper and this is how he got his fans.. as time passed and he got bigger (and richer) he had to tone down his street material because of a growing mainstream persona..

There's a leagon of fans that feel he "sold out" and is not the old Jay. Doing an "inspired by" album allows him to get away with doing a old school street record from a "perspective artistic view".

Its like acting on records.

[digitaldruglord]

He do this every time. Say he takin it back to Reasonable Doubt time. Then everyone eats it up for a month and then he drops a Bonnie & Clyde record and his album be filled with non-sense.
F*ck hype; I want music.


From what I hear, he going for that timeframe. whether he pulls it off is another story.. you can't be but so "hood" in a $10,000 a night presedential suite in St. Tropez.

[yseJ]

drug rap is not hip hop

shut the fukk up
drug rap been hip hop and will be hip hop
because its a part of everyday life of people who are struggling to get by, which is hip hop.

hip hop first and foremost is a depiction of a struggle of a young black individual

[keon]

^^tell'em

ask'em if he know about schoolly d and ice-t's "6 in the mornin" shyt..

[TheVoice315]

shut the fukk up
drug rap been hip hop and will be hip hop
because its a part of everyday life of people who are struggling to get by, which is hip hop.
hip hop first and foremost is a depiction of a struggle of a young black individual
kanye got n1ggas mind warped

[re'up]

It`d be nice to see an MC get inspiration from a great book, instead of a gangster movie.


wanna talk about corny.....LOL

[Freshology]

Im not saying i want to see Jay do it, but Marvin Gaye, prince, countless other artists were able create songs based on current events that became timeless musical classic, why cant rappers do that as well?

B/C the consumer negatively criticizes that type of music.... Look at how people responded to Kingdom Come... As soon as Jay tried to rap responsibly heads turned on him... Its sad but that's life... People are extremely cynical & enjoy having nothing good to say about anyone... Its the new trend if you ask me....

Just look at the majority of posters on this forum and how they address music...
Heads don't care about better judgement because the fabric of music & society doesn't promote that level of responsibility

Seriously go back to your post & look at the post before & after yours... One poster says rapping about Jena 6, & Katrina = Lost while another says Jay rapping about drugs = Lost...
At the end of the day you can't win...
Hate is the new Love

[LastEmperor2k2]

Jay can't make good songs about Iraq or Jena 6, that aint his style. U said u a huge fan, u said u like the new song, so that's it. Leave it be.

I`m not complaining just stating it`s corny. Say this album is a big hit, it goes to prove a point on Jay. He is a bit more one-dimensional then people would like to believe.

If Eminem came out making songs about taking E and house parties yall would say he was regressing too. (Eminem is terrible now though so it doesn`t matter)

[LastEmperor2k2]

of course he can..his song about Katrina was incredible..and arguably one of his greatest verses...
But, as we are all fans of Jay, we know we can't expect that side of him to be promoted...which is sad considering the positive things he can do in the position he's in...

That`s what i`m saying. Dude is in his late 30`s, runs the record company, he can rap about whatever he wants.

I don`t wanna hear a Kingdom Come Jay-z or a RD Jay-z. How about the Black Album jay-z, because that was one of the most honest points of his career. That album felt like it was what he really wanted to say his whole career (aside from Change Clothes).

He`s in a position to make music for the love (and this project might just be it, it might be a great concept album that isn`t all about slangin drugs) I think he should take advantage of it and stop worrying about his last album that flopped.

[LastEmperor2k2]

I hate when n*ggas talking dumb sh*t like "he should be rapping about Jena 6, War on Iraq, etc..." These are rappers. They ain't no damn politicians. You already know about Jena 6, you already know about the War on Iraq. They ain't no news anchors. They rappers. They rap about the things they feel like rapping about.

Ever hear of a guy named 2pac? Public Enemy?

Your problem is your failing to realize the influence of rap music and are like every other ignorant MC who wants to take ZERO responsibility for their actions.

[LastEmperor2k2]

the god m.c

The god MC is aint the god no more. His artists are outselling him and making better albums.

[LastEmperor2k2]

wanna talk about corny.....LOL

I forgot reading is so uncool. B1tches don`t holler at ya if ya read right? No diamond covered bookshelves.

[kanethegreat]

He`s in a position to make music for the love

Whose to say he doesn't? You? Well that's your opinion, but you don't know dude personally. He is in a position to not do anything else for the rest of his life, but a movie he saw gave him inspiration to create again. Seems like love to me. You can't gauge that off of him not rapping about exactly what you want him to.

[LastEmperor2k2]

True. I`m just hoping the album is done right. All im saying is I think he was influenced by more than a movie. I think the failure of KC is making him want to bring it back to what people loved him for.

I just think he`s reacting to the failure of KC a bit and trying to grab at some old straws, track is hot though.

[re'up]

I forgot reading is so uncool. B1tches don`t holler at ya if ya read right? No diamond covered bookshelves.


man, i read all the damn time, I'm majoring in English, you just sound funny as fukk saying that. So, If Jay said he was inspired by 'Donnie Brasco Unfinsihed Buisness' i'd be alright ? and you may be right about the b!tches thing, most of em anyway...

[Freshology]

I`m not complaining just stating it`s corny. Say this album is a big hit, it goes to prove a point on Jay. He is a bit more one-dimensional then people would like to believe.

If Eminem came out making songs about taking E and house parties yall would say he was regressing too. (Eminem is terrible now though so it doesn`t matter)

One dimensional is when you only rap about a particular subject... Jay covers a lot of subject matters... He may not be the most versatile but he deffinately isn't one dimensional... Just b/c people don't like when you do more conscious music doesn't mean you're one demensional... It means they don't like when you do conscious music....



That`s what i`m saying. Dude is in his late 30`s, runs the record company, he can rap about whatever he wants.

I don`t wanna hear a Kingdom Come Jay-z or a RD Jay-z. How about the Black Album jay-z, because that was one of the most honest points of his career. That album felt like it was what he really wanted to say his whole career (aside from Change Clothes).

He`s in a position to make music for the love (and this project might just be it, it might be a great concept album that isn`t all about slangin drugs) I think he should take advantage of it and stop worrying about his last album that flopped.

What made you think he wasn't being honest when he did KC?? He sounded pretty honest to me... See that's the problem in one breath you're talking about honesty through music yet you're also demanding what you do & do not want to hear.... And you wonder why rappers have to change how they approach making albums...

People are just hard to please.. Do you want honesty or do you just want what you want? Like you said in the first post I quoted above concerning Em about people criticizing Em... If he's being honest then what's so wrong - as long as the music is good quality music.... Right? Unless it isn't really about honesty but more of what you'd rather hear... Then your forcing the rapper to be who you want him to be instead of there being a median in which to merge the two...

Biggie even said it; the music that you make must cater to your audience... And at the same time be true yourself... There has to be a meeting point btwn your heart-felt honest music & appealing to the listener... An artist who doesn't take the consumer into account will isn't a true artist...

In this instance... Denzel Washington suggested the idea of Jay doing the soundtrack to the movie... The director approached Jay with the idea... After watching the movie Jay felt inspired to do an album instead of a soundtrack which was more sensible... As a result the movie could promote the album & vice versa thus doing something that has never been done as far as music & movies are concerned... And also gave him an oppurtunity to give the people what they wanted while still being true to self; reflecting on prior drug involvement instead of acting as if he's still in the mix... What's so bad about that?

The god MC is aint the god no more. His artists are outselling him and making better albums.

Jay never really did huge numbers... His biggest album was Vol. 2 which sold 5 mill... Even when he was 'God MC' he wasn't moving the most units...

What I wanna know is when did album sales depict lyrical talent?? Since Nelly does numbers where would that put him? Talib Kweli? I guess he shouldn't even be mention as far as talent goes if we wanna make that type of analyzation....

Anywho, at the end of the day it doesn't matter what a lot of these artists do they will never be in the right... But I've already adressed that in my last post...

[Spokes]

kanye got n1ggas mind warped
knw ur just a ignorant bastard if u really think rappin about sellin drugs to your own people is cool jigga HCIC head coon in charge

[yseJ]

How about the Black Album jay-z, because that was one of the most honest points of his career. That album felt like it was what he really wanted to say his whole career (aside from Change Clothes).
.
I was always wondering why I hate TBA while everybody else embraced it
now I know why

[Sunzoo aka LC]

lol@ kayne outselling jay-z WITH jay-z's help...jigga is the main reason for them units, not his homosexual ass album, who yall think the crowd cared about more? kayne performing big brother or jay coming out and just standing on stage...it would be different if ye sold this much on his own but half of his promo came from standing next to the dude he supposedly outsold, makes no sense

[TheRain]

lol@ kayne outselling jay-z WITH jay-z's help...jigga is the main reason for them units, not his homosexual ass album, who yall think the crowd cared about more? kayne performing big brother or jay coming out and just standing on stage...it would be different if ye sold this much on his own but half of his promo came from standing next to the dude he supposedly outsold, makes no sense

Yeah because every single person that bought Kanye's album watches 106NPark and saw Jay-Z come out and and thought "I don't know why, but just because I saw Jigga standing beside him and perform for 15 seconds, Imma go buy his album."

Makes a lot of sense.

[LastEmperor2k2]

Yeah because every single person that bought Kanye's album watches 106NPark and saw Jay-Z come out and and thought "I don't know why, but just because I saw Jigga standing beside him and perform for 15 seconds, Imma go buy his album."
Makes a lot of sense.

Yeah, truth be told Kanye has overtook Jay and he should be thanking god Dame found him and let him rap.

Some people think Jay really is the god or something.

I just equate Jay doing a whole album about drugs in 2007 to Ladanian Tomlinson going to play in the Arena Football League just to tear sh1t up.

[NotoriousHNIC]

remember when jay got inspiration from katrina? that was a great record and NOBODY embraced it, and *****s called it corny..yall should learn how to make up your mind about **** and maybe you wouldnt have rappers trying to cater to your fickle ass needs...like if jay made a song about the jena 6 *****s would LIKE it, they would clown it any you know it...now that he's back on the type of **** everybody wanted, so and so's dissapointed

jay is not jesse jackson, he's an emcee, inspired by a book? thats ideal and certainly a good idea, but do you think these ***gots would actually listen to it? they skimmed thru the LEAST shallow album jay has ever made and called it trash, now he's back to bragging and people are up in arms

these rappers are dammed if they do dammed if they dont in the eyes of the fickle ass public, i say **** it, rap bout what you want to rap about because it's always gonna be some salty ass ***** wether you spitting about the cause or about the broads, just listen to the music *****

yall want the old jay-z back (kingdom come jay-z is nice as **** to me) but what do you expect the old jay-z to rap about? the new corperate jay-z topics? see where i'm going with this?

I personally thought Lil Wayne's Georgia Bush was 10X better.. Minority Report was great but cats be hyping it up like its the greatest thing made since the Twinkie because its JayZ. Just like n!ggas overhyping that weak ass Blue Magic.

[hypestyle]

hopefully Jay will drop some political gems inside the new album..

[BugsySegal]

Honestly, when I heard he was inspired by American Gangster and he was deciding to do a new album based on it I was a bit dissapointed.
There is so many other things in life that could bring inspiration that he hasn`t touched on yet, but instead he is going to resort back to the same sh1t he was rhyming on his first album?!
Sad. Im`a big fan of Jay-Z, and I even like the new track, but it`s just dissapointing he can`t rap about some other sh1t in 2007 (War in Iraq, Jena 6 etc.)
It`d be nice to see an MC get inspiration from a great book, instead of a gangster movie.

I hear what you sayin homie and thats real talk, but who the **** is gonna wanna hear Jigga rap about the war in Iraq? Thats politics, thats a whole other ballgame, and how many tracks of Jay rapping about Iraq, then Jena 6, then illegal dog fighting, then whatever social problems we have are nikkas really gonna listen to? It's not feasible that rappers should get on this conscience ****, nobody wants to hear about that ****, leave that **** for the news channels and journalists.

[Mack Fetti.]

lol@ kayne outselling jay-z WITH jay-z's help...jigga is the main reason for them units, not his homosexual ass album, who yall think the crowd cared about more? kayne performing big brother or jay coming out and just standing on stage...it would be different if ye sold this much on his own but half of his promo came from standing next to the dude he supposedly outsold, makes no sense

^moron.

[hypestyle]

... I wonder what the chances are of Jay dropping a record that says "I hate drug dealers"...