LOL, Jay's "best album" was not even top 5 of 96.

[Ur Wrong, I'm Right]

Hell on Earth
Soul on Ice
7 Day Theory
It Was Written
ATLiens

ahahhahahha

:weirdo: :weirdo: :weirdo:

[mitchandness]

Where is Ironman & The Score? :dry:

[illwill01]

lol @ Soul on Ice bein better than RD haha

[ThaKnowledge]

Soul on Ice?..........LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Ur Wrong, I'm Right]

Where is Ironman :dry:


smh that one too..that's six albums better than reasonable wack

lol @ the soul on ice hate..it shyts on any jay album

[doinThangz]

:laugh:

AEOM
Illadelph Halflife
The Score
Stakes Is High
Endtroducing....
Dr. Octagon
Westside Connection
Death Threats
etc.
etc.


RD is still a classic though

[fundz]

Soul on Ice?..........LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Soul On Ice > RD

But I disagree with the threadstarter..

Also, AEOM > RD

and..

RD > IWW

[doinThangz]

Soul On Ice > RD
But I disagree with the threadstarter..
Also, AEOM > RD
and..
RD < IWW

*fixed*

[Kingofkings]

smh at iww being a top 5 in any category without nas best and the months of december 96. sh1t was nice but not classic just check the reviews.

OKEY/NICE REVIEWS IT WAS WRITTEN
* All Music Guide 4/5 stars link
* NME 6/10 stars link
* Q 4/5 stars link
* Rolling Stone 2/5 stars link
* The Source 4/5 starslink
* ARTISTdirect 4/5 stars link
* sputnikmusic 3.5/5 stars link

CLASSIC REVIEWS REASONBLEDOUBT
* All Music Guide 5/5 stars link
* Rolling Stone Album Guide 5/5 stars 2004 (only hip hop album to get 5 of RS?)
* The Source 5/5 stars August, 1996; p. 95
* XXL Magazine (XXL)

[Max Kellerman]

whats so funny about soul on ice being better than rd? that shyt is at least debatable

[illwill01]

RD > IWW

More like RD >>>>>>> IWW

[danja29]

Soul On Ice was a sorry-ass album.

And LOL @ dudes thinkin' just cause RD isn't in THEIR top 5, it wasn't great.

Yall niccas on here do ANYTHING and go to ANY lengths possible to discredit that man's career. :thumbsdow

[euro dirt]

RD is a revised classic

[doinThangz]

smh at iww being a top 5 in any category without nas best and the months of december 96. sh1t was nice but not classic just check the reviews.
you depend on reviews from OTHER PEOPLE to decide on what's hot ???

There were review in 96 that said AEOM wasnt classic......professional critics are not gods they make mistakes also.

[Ur Wrong, I'm Right]

smh at iww being a top 5 in any category without nas best and the months of december 96. sh1t was nice but not classic just check the reviews.

OKEY/NICE REVIEWS IT WAS WRITTEN
* All Music Guide 4/5 stars link
* NME 6/10 stars link
* Q 4/5 stars link
* Rolling Stone 2/5 stars link
* The Source 4/5 starslink
* ARTISTdirect 4/5 stars link
* sputnikmusic 3.5/5 stars link

CLASSIC REVIEWS REASONBLEDOUBT
* All Music Guide 5/5 stars link
* Rolling Stone Album Guide 5/5 stars 2004 (only hip hop album to get 5 of RS?)
* The Source 5/5 stars August, 1996; p. 95
* XXL Magazine (XXL)

iww got so much hate because it came out after the hip hop bible..shyt would have gotten 5 mics if it were his first album.

[StreetSweeper]

smh at iww being a top 5 in any category without nas best and the months of december 96. sh1t was nice but not classic just check the reviews.

OKEY/NICE REVIEWS IT WAS WRITTEN
* All Music Guide 4/5 stars link
* NME 6/10 stars link
* Q 4/5 stars link
* Rolling Stone 2/5 stars link
* The Source 4/5 starslink
* ARTISTdirect 4/5 stars link
* sputnikmusic 3.5/5 stars link

CLASSIC REVIEWS REASONBLEDOUBT
* All Music Guide 5/5 stars link
* Rolling Stone Album Guide 5/5 stars 2004 (only hip hop album to get 5 of RS?)
* The Source 5/5 stars August, 1996; p. 95
* XXL Magazine (XXL)
:laugh:...close thread..the threadstarter is a clown..

[Ur Wrong, I'm Right]

:laugh:...close thread..the threadstarter is a clown..

:angry: :angry:


hahah first jigga stan with hurt feelings

here http://www.battenburglace.com/Irish_Style_Tissue_Boutique.c.JPG

[doinThangz]

Muddy Waterz - Redman (1996)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RD

[ill mic]

not top 5?

RD probably isn't even top 10...

wrath of the math
nocturnal
hell on earth
atliens
it was written
ironman
illadelph halflife
the coming
legal drug money
muddy waters

are all better albums.


and there's more that are arguably better than RD.

CLASSIC REVIEWS REASONBLEDOUBT
* All Music Guide 5/5 stars link
* Rolling Stone Album Guide 5/5 stars 2004 (only hip hop album to get 5 of RS?)
* The Source 5/5 stars August, 1996; p. 95
* XXL Magazine (XXL)

and LOL @ these reviews. first of all nobody gives a **** what AMG thinks so that review is irrelevant right off the bat. rolling stone didn't even review RD until 2004 so fukk their revisionist bullsh1t. the source gave RD 4 mics when it dropped then went back years later after jay became a mega-star and gave it a classic rating so fukk their revisionist history as well, plus the source hasn't been relevent since the late 90's which kills their credibility even more. and XXL didn't even exist when RD came out so they are truly on that revisionist sh1t too. if jay was another rapper who faded away after his debut album, you better believe that RD wouldn't get a 1/3 of the attention it currently gets...but whatever.

it's still a dope lp, but the fact remains that there's at least 10 lp's from that year that i'd rather hear over RD...

[fundz]

For real tho, Soul on Ice is arguably top 10 ever.

[danja29]

For real tho, Soul on Ice is arguably top 10 ever.

No it isn't...

Now if you wanna talk about an album that was irrelevant and panned by critics when it dropped and suddenly became a phenomenon, Soul On Ice is one of those albums. That sh*t was average at best. Ras was on his A-game lyrically on the album, but everything else except his lyrics brought that album down. So top 10 of all time? IIIIII dunno. Maybe top 10 of the month it came out, but that's about it.

[illwill01]

For real tho, Soul on Ice is arguably top 10 ever.

wow wtf... smh

btw The Awakening by Lord Finesse is a slept on 1996 album. Better than Soul on Ice.

[StreetSweeper]

:angry: :angry:


hahah first jigga stan with hurt feelings

here http://www.battenburglace.com/Irish_Style_Tissue_Boutique.c.JPG :laugh: I dont get mad over the internet like yall n!ggas...The numbers dont lie n!gga..they rite there...

[Dakidd05]

Soul on Ice?..........LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

^^^^Nature of The Threat who has made a song like that since then

[beat tape king]

smh that one too..that's six albums better than reasonable wack

lol @ the soul on ice hate..it shyts on any jay album


I say a lot of things against Jay-Z, but I'm not a hater of his.

I HATE Ras Kass. Fake knowledge dropper, awkward flow, drunk driving vehicular homiciding, baby powder on the face, wanting to be white chump.

[illone21]

smh at iww being a top 5 in any category without nas best and the months of december 96. sh1t was nice but not classic just check the reviews.

OKEY/NICE REVIEWS IT WAS WRITTEN
* All Music Guide 4/5 stars link
* NME 6/10 stars link
* Q 4/5 stars link
* Rolling Stone 2/5 stars link
* The Source 4/5 starslink
* ARTISTdirect 4/5 stars link
* sputnikmusic 3.5/5 stars link

CLASSIC REVIEWS REASONBLEDOUBT
* All Music Guide 5/5 stars link
* Rolling Stone Album Guide 5/5 stars 2004 (only hip hop album to get 5 of RS?)
* The Source 5/5 stars August, 1996; p. 95
* XXL Magazine (XXL)

Bullshiiit!!! I know for a fact that IWW got 4.5 mics from the Source and RD only got 4 mics. When they did their so-called re-evaluation of albums years later they gave it 5 mics. Also, Rolling Stone didn't get it 5 out 5 when it came out and XXL was not even around yet. Your using Monday morning quarterback reviews (years and I mean years) after it initially came out.

[Ur Wrong, I'm Right]

haha Jay stans going crazy with the thread ratings..they = hurt, dog.

[fundz]

No it isn't...
Now if you wanna talk about an album that was irrelevant and panned by critics when it dropped and suddenly became a phenomenon, Soul On Ice is one of those albums. That sh*t was average at best. Ras was on his A-game lyrically on the album, but everything else except his lyrics brought that album down. So top 10 of all time? IIIIII dunno. Maybe top 10 of the month it came out, but that's about it.

http://www.amazon.com/Soul-Ice-Ras-Kass/dp/B000003AB1/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-3333536-3447131?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1188062697&sr=8-2

^Now ask me if I care what YOU think

Beats wise? lmfao, That shyt had solid beats. You bugging.

Lyrically, it was prolly THE best album of 96.

Soul On Ice > RD and 99% of albums that came out in 96

[fundz]

wow wtf... smh
btw The Awakening by Lord Finesse is a slept on 1996 album. Better than Soul on Ice.

I don't care if that flabbergasts you.

[.PK5]

RD is a revised classic

[The Usual Suspect]

all of outkast's albums are garabge


so this thread = :thumbsdow

[doinThangz]

all of outkast's albums are garabge
so this thread = :thumbsdow
killl yaself

[Ur Wrong, I'm Right]

all of outkast's albums are garabge


:dry:

seriously come on man

[danja29]

Bullshiiit!!! I know for a fact that IWW got 4.5 mics from the Source and RD only got 4 mics. When they did their so-called re-evaluation of albums years later they gave it 5 mics. Also, Rolling Stone didn't get it 5 out 5 when it came out and XXL was not even around yet. Your using Monday morning quarterback reviews (years and I mean years) after it initially came out.

Nah, actually IWW and RD BOTH got 4, they were reviewed in the same issue.

[AsherDG]

Take It In Blood >>> Jay-Z

[illwill01]

all of outkast's albums are garabge
so this thread = :thumbsdow

shock post

[danja29]

http://www.amazon.com/Soul-Ice-Ras-Kass/dp/B000003AB1/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-3333536-3447131?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1188062697&sr=8-2
^Now ask me if I care what YOU think
Beats wise? lmfao, That shyt had solid beats. You bugging.
Lyrically, it was prolly THE best album of 96.
Soul On Ice > RD and 99% of albums that came out in 96

I guess you're entitiled to your own opinion to feel that way, but Soul On Ice was not what you're makin' it out to be by a longshot.

[tre8slugg]

Bullshiiit!!! I know for a fact that IWW got 4.5 mics from the Source and RD only got 4 mics. When they did their so-called re-evaluation of albums years later they gave it 5 mics. Also, Rolling Stone didn't get it 5 out 5 when it came out and XXL was not even around yet. Your using Monday morning quarterback reviews (years and I mean years) after it initially came out.

[ill mic]

http://www.amazon.com/Soul-Ice-Ras-Kass/dp/B000003AB1/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-3333536-3447131?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1188062697&sr=8-2
^Now ask me if I care what YOU think
Beats wise? lmfao, That shyt had solid beats. You bugging.
Lyrically, it was prolly THE best album of 96.
Soul On Ice > RD and 99% of albums that came out in 96


the common misconception and cliche thing to say about SOI is that "the beats were wack". the funniest part about this is that 85% of the ppl who say this didn't hear SOI until a couple years ago, so these newjacks are fronting and are mad cause it doesn't bump in their stereos, it doesn't have any songs they can dance to and doesn't have sped-up soul samples all over the place.

the beats weren't wack by any means and actually fit ras' content to a fukkin tee. bird and voodu laced him with beats that didn't overshadow his lyrics and fit the concept of each track. kids were just mad cause there weren't really any joints they could bang in the ride and that right there is why they hate on SOI which is stupid considering the content on the album.

[Ur Wrong, I'm Right]

I guess you're entitiled to your own opinion to feel that way, but Soul On Ice was not what you're makin' it out to be by a longshot.



Lyrically, SOI is light years ahead of RD or any album that came out that year..yes it didnt have the best prodiction, but they were far from garbage..that's just a lame excuse people use to hate on that album.

either way soi >>> rd

rd is a 4 mic dope album turned into a 5 mic classic by gay ass media/fans.

[MNFBackwordz]

the Jay-Z hate on these boards has reached fever pitch.
RD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nas, pac, common, fifty, whoever else...

its alright though, because the opinions that you nerds have only exists on the internet. In the street people recieved RD like it was the second comming of Biggie.

****** ass haters.

[beat tape king]

Nah, actually IWW and RD BOTH got 4, they were reviewed in the same issue.

True story.

Also, The Source gave Jay-Z the hip hop quotable which was the beginning of me not liking that guy.

I was like they gave it to "Cashmire Thoughts" over "I GAVE YOU POWER?"



The Source was already in decline back then.

[Abs_inth da prophet]

Hell on Earth
Soul on Ice
7 Day Theory <- this was the shiit tho..
It Was Written <- my Favorite NaS album
ATLiens

ahahhahahha

:weirdo: :weirdo: :weirdo:

I STILL listen to Reasonable Doubt..

and I NEVER listen to ANY of those anymore..

RD was ahead of it's time

[Ur Wrong, I'm Right]

In the street people recieved RD like it was the second comming of Bigs.


:laugh:

need i say more about these chump ass jay stans???

[fundz]

I guess you're entitiled to your own opinion to feel that way, but Soul On Ice was not what you're makin' it out to be by a longshot.

What I'm making it out to be?

Soul On Ice is one of those rare albums that almost everyone wants to get their hands on. It's sparse because it got pulled out of stores back in the day and STILL people know about it and give it its dues. It's that good.

I'm not making it out to be anything. Sit down one of these days and listen to that record. It's one of those albums that takes time to grow on you. It is almost as good as Illmatic and definitely better than RD.

Just saying.

[danja29]

Dude, you can talk about lyrics everyday- I'm a fan of lyrical content and all but I don't base my sole opinion around that. I've heard nice lyricists all my life, so that's not a big deal. As a complete album and something worth listening to numerous times, Soul On Ice falls short IMO. It's just my opinion, just like it's your opinion to like it, I'm not changing any factual information or anything, I'm just sayin' that album gets way more credit than it calls for. Sometimes, underground hip-hop fans can be as sheep-like as mainstream fans, and this album proves it.

[beat tape king]

the Jay-Z hate on these boards has reached fever pitch.
RD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nas, pac, common, fifty, whoever else...
its alright though, because the opinions that you nerds have only exists on the internet. In the street people recieved RD like it was the second comming of Biggie.
****** ass haters.

No.


Biggie was still alive and kicking, he didn't need no "second coming."



You latter-day hip hop head. :dry:

[Abs_inth da prophet]

Great Songs>>>>Great Lyrics

example: CaniBus

Biggie was NOT a great lyricist...he just had the illest flow

ex: Hypnotize (read the lyrics)

[Ur Wrong, I'm Right]

Dude, you can talk about lyrics everyday- I'm a fan of lyrical content and all but I don't base my sole opinion around that. I've heard nice lyricists all my life, so that's not a big deal. As a complete album and something worth listening to numerous times, Soul On Ice falls short IMO. It's just my opinion, just like it's your opinion to like it, I'm not changing any factual information or anything, I'm just sayin' that album gets way more credit than it calls for. Sometimes, underground hip-hop fans can be as sheep-like as mainstream fans, and this album proves it.


How do you rate SOI then, you faqqot ass jay stan? :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[fundz]

lol @ people listening to Soul On Ice post-2000 and expecting to love the beats.

Illmatic's beats also sound kind of boring if we wanna get all captious.