View Full Version : LOL, Jay's "best album" was not even top 5 of 96.
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 04:46 PM
brrrrrrat
This thread is showing that Jay's "classic" debut is the most overrated album of all time.
Shyt should not even be mentioned in the same breath as Illmatic, Death Certificate, 7 Day Theory, Ready to Die..etc..
RD = definition of something being overrated.yet, you say that you arent hating and you have the nerve to tell some1 else to stop crying. be real with yourself cuzo.
malaysia hip hop leg
08-26-07, 05:25 PM
fuk your mother.
:laugh: @ the hurt betchmade feelings in this post! :laugh:
MNFBackwordz
08-26-07, 05:25 PM
damn is this thing really 2x plat in 2 days....
Its official: SoHH hates JayZ for no other reason than cause hes the greatest.
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 05:25 PM
yet, you say that you arent hating and you have the nerve to tell some1 else to stop crying. be real with yourself cuzo.
im not hating man..just cause I think it's overrated dont mean that im hating, just cause I think it's not a classic like illmatic,etc..dont mean that im hating.
it's got some classic songs, but it's not a classic album.
BrainCellKilla
08-26-07, 05:37 PM
"Top" albums of year X, do numbers THAT year.
lol @ "It reached #23 on the Billboard 200 making it Jay-Z's least commercially successful effort. Regardless, it reached platinum status in the United States on February 7, 2002, and has sold 1.6 million copies as of 2006"
:laugh:
:laugh: @ the hurt betchmade feelings in this post! :laugh:miss me with the immature sh1t. you intentionally go out of your way to instigate something with me, then accuse me of being "hurt" because i respond to you.im not hating man..just cause I think it's overrated dont mean that im hating, just cause I think it's not a classic like illmatic,etc..dont mean that im hating.
it's got some classic songs, but it's not a classic album.youre clearly hating regardless of how hard you try to deny it. when you say that the album shouldnt be mentioned with certain other albums, thats hate. this whole thread is about you being aggy that the album gets more praise then you think it should, so youre tryna show that your opinion is right and anybody who doesnt agree with how you feel is wrong. you even say that the only reason that the album is considered classic is because of some conspiracy. face it bruh, youre hating on the album. my advice? get over it, you have your opinion so let ppl have theirs."Top" albums of year X, do numbers THAT year.
lol @
:laugh:according to that dumbass logic illmatic isnt a "top" album because it did less in its 1st yeard than rd did. illmatic only did 200k its 1st year.
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 05:52 PM
.youre clearly hating regardless of how hard you try to deny it. when you say that the album shouldnt be mentioned with certain other albums, thats hate. this whole thread is about you being aggy that the album gets more praise then you think it should, so youre tryna show that your opinion is right and anybody who doesnt agree with how you feel is wrong. you even say that the only reason that the album is considered classic is because of some conspiracy. face it bruh, youre hating on the album. my advice? get over it, you have your opinion .
nope...hating is calling it garbage..i said it was a good album..but jay stans wont face reality that their hero doesn't have 1 classic album, so they get their feelings hurt with threads like these.
and that "top" album bullshyt analogy is stupid.
nope...hating is calling it garbage..i said it was a good album..but jay stans wont face reality that their hero doesn't have 1 classic album, so they get their feelings hurt with threads like these.
and that "top" album bullshyt analogy is stupid.hating is going out of your way to unnecessarily criticize something or some1. you keep talking about hurting ppl's feelings when its obvious that the fact that rd gets more praise then you think it deserves is hurting your feelings. think about it, why would a "jay stan" be hurt over you saying that rd isnt a real classic when in reality it is considered a real classic? youre the 1 thats mad, i dont know why you cats like playing these lil boy games.
you probably just dont understand the analogy. dude said that rd wasnt a top album because it didnt move a huge amount of units, im saying that using that logic then illmatic wasnt a top album the year it came out either. actually, you have to be dumb as a fuking rock not to understand that analogy.
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 06:14 PM
you have to be dumb as a fuking rock not to understand that analogy.
i was actually talking to other cat there..but whatever...His analogy is "RD is not a classic cause it didn't go plat that year", pretty ****ing stupid..Illmatic didnt go plat either.
My theory: It's a good album, but it's not a Hip Hop classic. Just because it's Jays first album, don't mean it should recieve classic status from sheepish media and fans.
Jay stans is hurt.
i was actually talking to other cat there..but whatever...His analogy is "RD is not a classic cause it didn't go plat that year", pretty ****ing stupid..Illmatic didnt go plat either.
My theory: It's a good album, but it's a not Hip Hop classic. Just because it's Jays first album, don't mean it should recieve classic status from sheepish media and fans.
Jay stans is hurt.why are they "hurt", and not you? thats what im not understanding. you think that rd has been overrated because of jay's status or fame and youve made this thread to express that sentiment, but you arent "hurt" tho. yet, when ppl come in and disagree with your "listen up everybody, rd wasnt a top 5 album in 1996" claim, then theyre "hurt". doesnt make much sense.
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 06:26 PM
why are they "hurt", and not you? thats what im not understanding. you think that rd has been overrated because of jay's status or fame and youve made this thread to express that sentiment, but you arent "hurt" tho. yet, when ppl come in and disagree with your "listen up everybody, rd wasnt a top 5 album in 1996" claim, then theyre "hurt". doesnt make much sense.
niqqa your hurt because you're still in here defending your hero on some stan shyt.
rd isnt a top 5 96 lp..end of story...jay got no classics.
BrainCellKilla
08-26-07, 06:26 PM
Illmatic is not in question. It was hailed as as a masterpiece by many critics. Even then. First 5 Mic album.
The sales of RD, or lack there of, is just one example of why it wasn't Top 5 of 96, then, or now.
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 06:29 PM
Illmatic is not in question. It was hailed as as a masterpiece by many critics. Even then. First 5 Mic album.
.
You've got a point there..But I still wouldnt use the sales analogy.
N*IT*2*WIN*IT
08-26-07, 06:30 PM
Illmatic is not in question. It was hailed as as a masterpiece by many critics. Even then. First 5 Mic album.
The sales of RD, or lack there of, is just one example of why it wasn't Top 5 of 96, then, or now.
:yes:
niqqa your hurt because you're still in here defending your hero on some stan shyt.
rd isnt a top 5 96 lp..end of story...jay got no classics.you were trying so hard to keep it intelligent. so tryna understand your reasoning is "defending" jay now huh? why do you keep repeating "rd isnt top 5 and jay has no classics" over and over? are you bothered that most ppl dont agree with that personal opinion, and in reality dude is credited with at least 2 classics and rd is seen as 1 of the best hiphop albums of the 90's? these are simple questions dog.Illmatic is not in question. It was hailed as as a masterpiece by many critics. Even then. First 5 Mic album.
The sales of RD, or lack there of, is just one example of why it wasn't Top 5 of 96, then, or now.somehow i doubt that an immature cat like you was up on what critics were saying about illmatic back in '94. its not like socalled "critics" held much weight back then anyway(they still dont to me, a "critic" is just the next n1gga with an opinion), which is why illmatic only did 200k in its 1st year even tho it was the 1st 5mic album in history. you'll just say anything to hate on jay/rd, no matter how illogical it is.
Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory
All Eyez On Me
Hell On Earth
Muddy Waters
Ironman
Soul On Ice
Bow Down
The Resurrection
At The Speed Of Life
Illadelph Halflife
It Was Written
Ironman
ATLiens
Wrath Of The Math
Ridin' Dirty
Str8 Off Tha Streetz Of Muthaphukkin Compton
E 1999 Eternal
all > RD in '96
kingofduval904
08-26-07, 06:38 PM
jay no classics? rd average?
dont argue with fools guys
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 06:39 PM
you were trying so hard to keep it intelligent.
i had to get dumb on your ass, cause that;s what you are
so tryna understand your reasoning is "defending" jay now huh? why do you keep repeating "rd isnt top 5 and jay has no classics" over and over?
its a forced classic, jay's mind tricks worked
are you bothered that most ppl dont agree with that personal opinion, and in reality dude is credited with at least 2 classics and rd is seen as 1 of the best hiphop albums of the 90's? these are simple questions dog.
jay is my top 5, im just stating the obvious truth, that rd is not a hip hop classic, pathetic stans like you get their feelings hurt when they hear this.
"buutt butt butt, its got a 10 year anniversary" :rolleyes:
:yes: :yes:
you were trying so hard to keep it intelligent. so tryna understand your reasoning is "defending" jay now huh? why do you keep repeating "rd isnt top 5 and jay has no classics" over and over? are you bothered that most ppl dont agree with that personal opinion, and in reality dude is credited with at least 2 classics and rd is seen as 1 of the best hiphop albums of the 90's?these are simple questions dog.
:laugh:
ill mic
08-26-07, 06:42 PM
this thread can be used for future reference too see who is rational and who was actually listening to hip-hop in 1996 so don't forget to subscript to it kids.
it will save you alotta trouble later on...
danja29
08-26-07, 06:43 PM
LMAO @ "stans gettin' hurt"... when homie has been in this thread all weekend doing everything he can to discredit an album that came out 11 years ago. Who's REALLY hurt here?
And the funny contradictory sh8t I'm seein' in this thread is that people are discrediting RD by sayin' "well it didn't do this, it didn't do that"... but they'll name any album over top of it and some of THEM sh*ts didn't have the masses goin' crazy either! Niccas is bringin' up 'Ridin' Dirty' like that was a nationwide smash or some sh*t, LOL...
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 06:44 PM
LMAO @ "stans gettin' hurt".
yes you are...:evil: :evil: :evil:
i simply said: jigga's "best album" wasnt top 5 of 96
stans: blah blah..hate..blah..classic
danja29
08-26-07, 06:48 PM
yes you are...:evil: :evil: :evil:
i simply said: jigga's "best album" wasnt top 5 of 96
stans: blah blah..hate..blah..classic
Ha... far from hurt, bruh.
And again, it wasn't in YOUR top 5... how you gonna speak for everybody else? If it wasn't top 5 IN YOUR OPINION, then it wasn't. But it's hard enough to find two people who feel the exact same way about an album, so wtf does YOUR top 5 have to do with everybody else's, or even ONE other person's?
But then again, your screenname is 'Ur Wrong, I'm Right' so I guess that answers my question. LOL @ "I simply said..." stop downplayin' the sh*t when you know all that was was another way to start the same ol' "forced classic" argument niccas been cryin' about.
Let's talk about how 'It Was Written' (one of YOUR top 5 albums) went for the loooongest time with mixed reviews and now it's magically an undisputed classic.
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 06:51 PM
Ha... far from hurt, bruh.
And again, it wasn't in YOUR top 5... how you gonna speak for everybody else? If it wasn't top 5 IN YOUR OPINION, then it wasn't. But it's hard enough to find two people who feel the exact same way about an album, so wtf does YOUR top 5 have to do with everybody else's, or even ONE other person's?
But then again, your screenname is 'Ur Wrong, I'm Right' so I guess that answers my question. LOL @ "I simply said..." stop downplayin' the sh*t when you know all that was was another way to start the same ol' "forced classic" argument niccas been cryin' about.
Let's talk about how 'It Was Written' (one of YOUR top 5 albums) went for the loooongest time with mixed reviews and now it's magically a classic.
IWW is NOT a classic hip hop album..It's my fav Nas LP, I do not consider it a Hip Hop classic...it didnt change anything..It sold a lot, But it didn't have any impact on the game at that time.
Jay stans are in pain right now
this thread can be used for future reference too see who is rational and who was actually listening to hip-hop in 1996 so don't forget to subscript to it kids.
it will save you alotta trouble later on...
c/s.
I mean damn, the thread title only says that RD wasnt really a big deal the year it came out. thats pretty much the truth.
96 was just coming out of the grunge era and albums like RTD and OB4CL had broken ground earlier....so RD was just following that lead.
albums like Illadelph Halflife and Ironman were very imapactful that year.
its just common sense for anyone
that lived through it.
aka 80's Kid
08-26-07, 06:51 PM
Stop crying you fukkin stan.."not that great"..Do you Jigga stans always put words in people's mouths..This thread is showing that Jay's "classic" debut is the most overrated album of all time.
Shyt should not even be mentioned in the same breath as Illmatic, Death Certificate, 7 Day Theory, Ready to Die..etc..
RD = definition of something being overrated.
Most overrated album of all time? Nah, you aint hatin':rolleyes:
Look duke, my whole point from my first post is that there is ALWAYS at least one thread up here discrediting his status..."Jay ain't even top 20", "Jay is not really that nice", "Jay ain't got no classics", blah, blah, blah.
Its like so many of you cats spend so much time coming up with reasons why he's not great. I'm not a big Tupac fan...he's good to me, but not one of the top 5 in my book...but I dont make up thread after thread trying to discredit the man and his work.
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 06:54 PM
Most overrated album of all time? Nah, you aint hatin':rolleyes:
Look duke, my whole point from my first post is that there is ALWAYS at least one thread up here discrediting his status..."Jay ain't even top 20", "Jay is not really that nice", "Jay ain't got no classics", blah, blah, blah.
Its like so many of you cats spend so much time coming up with reasons why he's not great. I'm not a big Tupac fan...he's good to me, but not one of the top 5 in my book...but I dont make up thread after thread trying to discredit the man and his work.
So making a thread sayig RD is the most overrated album of all time is "hate" now??
I swear you faqqots be on some serious bullshyt sometimes.
Most overrated album of all time? Nah, you aint hatin':rolleyes:
Look duke, my whole point from my first post is that there is ALWAYS at least one thread up here discrediting his status..."Jay ain't even top 20", "Jay is not really that nice", "Jay ain't got no classics", blah, blah, blah.
Its like so many of you cats spend so much time coming up with reasons why he's not great. I'm not a big Tupac fan...he's good to me, but not one of the top 5 in my book...but I dont make up thread after thread trying to discredit the man and his work.
this is a hip hop board fam....if there is something you wanna contribute, GO AHEAD. no one is standing in your way.
If you think that some of Tupac's material doesnt live up to the hype...make a thread about it. why not? that what hip hop boards are for.
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 06:55 PM
this is a hip hop board fam....if there is something you wanna contribute, GO AHEAD. no one is standing in your way.
If you think that some of Tupac's material doesnt live up to the hype...make a thread about it. why not? that what hip hop boards are for.
shhhhh
you cant say anything bad about the "most successful rapper of all time"
danja29
08-26-07, 06:55 PM
c/s.
I mean damn, the thread title only says that RD wasnt really a big deal the year it came out. thats pretty much the truth.
96 was just coming out of the grunge era and albums like RTD and OB4CL had broken ground earlier....so RD was just following that lead.
albums like Illadelph Halflife and Ironman were very imapactful that year.
its just common sense for anyone
that lived through it.
:laugh: But see, THIS is the sh*t I don't understand, you'll say RD wasn't a big deal, but "ILLADELPH HALFLIFE" was? I can say that as a 16 year old in '96, I don't know A single solitary nicca who was bumpin' Illadelph Halflife. Dope album, sure. Great album, sure. But that sh*t didn't have any incredible impact that year- I don't even know if that sh*t EVER went gold. Did A single off that album go any further than Rap City? Does anybody regard that album a classic except for those who were checkin' for the Roots at the time? Again, I love the album and always did... but "very impactful"? Where???
I don't even know if that sh*t EVER went gold. Did A single off that album go any further than Rap City? Does anybody regard that album a classic except for those who were checkin' for the Roots at the time? Again, I love the album and always did... but "very impactful"? Where???
:ohmy: :thumbsdow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdWOoL31IJc
wow...you can really tell the children who just started listening to rap apart from the mature folks on this website.
Hip Hop lost.
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 07:01 PM
This is what happened to RD's classic status:
A good rapper releases a good debut..nothing exceptional at that time
Rapper blows up big 3 years later
Rapper announces that his first LP is indeed a masterpiece and a classic
Media follows this
Fans follow
Album gets classic status
Dumb people win
i had to get dumb on your ass, cause that;s what you areno, youre just getting frustrated becasue im murdering you with common sense.
its a forced classic, jay's mind tricks workedyea, ive already pointed out this "its all a conspiracy i tell ya" coping mechanism that you use to deal with reality.
jay is my top 5, im just stating the obvious truth, that rd is not a hip hop classic, pathetic stans like you get their feelings hurt when they hear this.now youre back to tryna make your personal opinions look like fact huh? nothing anybody says about jay or any other rapper will ever have an impact on my feelings son, this is just more lil boy games from you. since youre so consusmed with hurting ppl's feelings, let me hurt yours real quick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXoGaFpxKTk
http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2006/emcees/index11.jhtml
Da_S_Man2
08-26-07, 07:02 PM
:ohmy: :thumbsdow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdWOoL31IJc
wow...you can really tell the children who just started listening to rap apart from the mature folks on this website.
Hip Hop lost.
damn, i used to love this video...and whatever happened to that dude with the 'fro in that video...and he was in mad videos around that time...who the hell was he?
no, youre just getting frustrated becasue im murdering you with common sense.
yea, ive already pointed out this "its all a conspiracy i tell ya" coping mechanism that you use to deal with reality.
now youre back to tryna make your personal opinions look like fact huh? nothing anybody says about jay or any other rapper will ever have an impact on my feelings son, this is just more lil boy games from you. since youre so consusmed with hurting ppl's feelings, let me hurt yours real quick.
why are you still posting in this thread then? :huh:
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 07:04 PM
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXoGaFpxKTk
http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2006/emcees/index11.jhtml
hurt his feelings..he's posting links now..shyt doesn't proof anything dog. rd's classic status got more to do with jay himself than the actual album.
you're mad because you know im speaking the truth. :yes: :yes:
danja29
08-26-07, 07:06 PM
:ohmy: :thumbsdow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdWOoL31IJc
wow...you can really tell the children who just started listening to rap apart from the mature folks on this website.
Hip Hop lost.
LMAO... nicca, I was 16 in '96. And for me, unlike a lotta these niccas on here, hip-hop didn't start in '94.
Like I said, if you read my whole post, I liked the album a lot. I thought it was very good- but nobody I knew (or didn't know for that matter) was goin' nuts over that sh*t. If the niccas in your circle at the time were into it, then cool. But that sh*t wasn't "very impactful" by any stretch of the imagination. "What They Do" got some good play, but good's about it. It wasn't some massive fukkin' smash or somethin'...
You don't see me exaggerating RD's status, I'm just not goin' to ridiculous lengths to downplay it either, which is what y'all are doin'.
Sh*t, I'd say Kim's album that year was more "impactful". Don't let your own personal views cloud the truth and have you stretchin' facts... my bad, I'm on a message board- wtf was I thinkin' by sayin' somethin' like that?
Sh*t, I'd say Kim's album that year was more "impactful".
I agree. :yes:
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 07:08 PM
RD is not a classic...
If Nas didn't blow up..Illmatic would still be viewed as a classic.
Now picture Jay not blowing up..
Does RD still get classic status?
I THINK NOT :evil: :evil: :evil:
hurt his feelings..he's posting links now..shyt doesn't proof anything dog. rd's classic status got more to do with jay himself than the actual album.
you're mad because you know im speaking the truth. :yes: :yes:im just playing your game son. the only difference is that instead of running around repeating my opinions over and over, ill just introduce you to reality.
AKee1981
08-26-07, 07:12 PM
I don't remember Jay-Z catch a buzz til Streets Is Watchin.
"Didn't really appreciate it till the second one came out"
That you're right about ....
the thing is though, I dont think alot of people that agreed with this thread ever said that RD was TERRIBLE or NOT GOOD.
all that was said is that in '96 it was overlooked because the amount of good material that came out that year.
to me RD is a near flawless album, a GREAT ALBUM in fact
.....but I just dont understand why the young Jigga stans
who just started listening to rap dont realize that it
wasnt anything special when it came out.
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 07:14 PM
im just playing your game son. the only difference is that instead of running around repeating my opinions over and over, ill just introduce you to reality.
reality = rd became classic after jay said it..doper, non classic albums were released that year
fantasy = rd is a classic, no matter what.
another l dog
keep coming back..im taking ya back to school today.
danja29
08-26-07, 07:16 PM
RD is not a classic...
If Nas didn't blow up..Illmatic would still be viewed as a classic.
Now picture Jay not blowing up..
Does RD still get classic status?
I THINK NOT :evil: :evil: :evil:
Yeah... Illmatic might still be a classic...
But damn if niccas would be swingin' off his d!ck over it 13 years later. It'd be one of them sh*ts that ONLY niccas who remember when it dropped would talk about and the rest of the late niccas would ignore the convo cause it didn't have to do with any of thier "icons".
Trust me, if Nas never blew up, we wouldn't even talk about that sh*t now. There's lots of classic albums by people who didn't "blow up" that nobody brings up anymore. When's the last time YOU seen a bunch of packed threads over Jeru's "Sun Rises In The East"? You seen niccas still yappin' about Black Moon and "Enta Da Stage"? How bout Brand Nubian's "One For All"? Them niccas were relevant at the time, but none of them blew up to be big stars. If Nas flopped after 'Illmatic' and disappeared or some sh*t, half the niccas who have orgasms over that album now and post incessantly about it wouldn't even know the sh*t existed. You see how much the '90s have been compressed into a Pac/Nas/Biggie/Wu/Jay/Mobb/Outkast box, when there's WAAAY more niccas who did their thing thru all them years. If Nas (or any of the others for that matter) never blew up, he wouldn't be in that box either.
AKee1981
08-26-07, 07:18 PM
I haven't said it was Top 5 of that year and I didn't even hear the album in it's entirety till years later, but that's not the point of this thread. The singling out of Reasonable Doubt isn't meant to highlight how great 1996 was, it's meant to downplay the quality of his debut album without being a dlck about it. Can't just call his debut flat out babbage so you conjure up all this other crackpot criteria for a classic. These threads got old a long time ago ...
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 07:21 PM
I haven't said it was Top 5 of that year and I didn't even hear the album in it's entirety till years later, but that's not the point of this thread. The singling out of Reasonable Doubt isn't meant to highlight how great 1996 was, it's meant to downplay the quality of his debut album without being a dlck about it. Can't just call his debut flat out babbage so you conjure up all this other crackpot criteria for a classic. These threads got old a long time ago ...
This thread is dedicated to those who think RD is this untouchable masterpiece..shyt was solid and like I said, doper albums were released that year..Most of em dont get classic status..WHY? 90% of them didnt blow up like Jay did.
There's only 2 REAL classics from that year...Both Pac albums..rest is NOT.
I haven't said it was Top 5 of that year and I didn't even hear the album in it's entirety till years later, but that's not the point of this thread..
sure it is....
read the thread title homie.
I will say though, you didnt really critize people for not thinking it was a top album of 96. I was more so refering to the hardened stans with my comments. the ones who wont recognize RD's place in history.
I respect your point of view.
reality = rd became classic after jay said it..doper, non classic albums were released that year
fantasy = rd is a classic, no matter what.reality= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXoGaFpxKTk
Ur Wrong, I'm Right
08-26-07, 07:26 PM
reality= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXoGaFpxKTk
yeh white boys and bytches throwing up corny ass roc signs prove that rd is a classic...:gag: :gag: :gag:
nnnopppe
even more proof that its fake classic
where was this in 99? or 2000? before the black album out?
yeaaaah
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