LOL, Jay's "best album" was not even top 5 of 96.

[BrainCellKilla]

It took 4 years for RD to go plat.

AEOM, 4 hours.

[RochesterSS]

:dry: name me 1 song on that album that can fucckk with D'evils or Dead Presidents.
UMMMMMMM

How about Daytona 500, Fish, Winter Warz, Camay...

[Majestyx Saba]

UMMMMMMM
How about Daytona 500, Fish, Winter Warz, Camay...

black jesus, winter warz, soul controler, wildflower

[doeboy]

Saying it's a forced classic = hatred in a jay stan's mindhow is that not hate? saying its a forced classic is just an attempt to discredit the album's status in some way.

[half_haitian]

ironman >>>> RD all day everyday

that joint and IWW was in my CD deck eryday

[heavy_mental]

nas stans buggin

[RochesterSS]

how is that not hate? saying its a forced classic is just an attempt to discredit the album's status in some way.
No, it's just stating facts. Jay has forced it on the public as a classic.

[illwill01]

UMMMMMMM
How about Daytona 500, Fish, Winter Warz, Camay...

NO! They are not fukkin with D'evils, Dead Presidents or Can I Live. Not even close actually.

[doeboy]

No, it's just stating facts. Jay has forced it on the public as a classic.thats far from a fact. a fact is something that can be proven, prove that jay has forced the public to believe that the album is classic.

[doinThangz]

It took 4 years for RD to go plat.

AEOM, 4 hours.

:yes:

[Ur Wrong, I'm Right]

how is that not hate? saying its a forced classic is just an attempt to discredit the album's status in some way.

nah dog, hating is saying it's wack or not that good...saying it's a forced classic is obviously an opinion, but it's also one that alot of old heads share with me..

RD is a great album, but it's not the classic that some jay fanatics make it out to be.


shyt had zero impact on the game.

[doeboy]

nah dog, hating is saying it's wack or not that good...saying it's a forced classic is obviously an opinion, but it's also one that alot of old heads share with me..ok 1st you said that rd being a forced classic was a fact and now youre saying its just an opinion. youve switched up. nah, saying that its your opinion that it was a forced classic isnt hate, but i would just ask what you are basing that opinion on?


RD is a great album, but it's not the classic that some jay fanatics make it out to be.thats a personal opinion that oviously the collective hiphop community doesnt really agree with since rd is regarded as 1 of the best hiphop albums of the 90's.

shyt had zero impact on the game. dude just threw a 10 year anniversary concert for the joint last year that sold out instantly. ill agree that rd didnt have that great of an impact instantly after it dropped, but you cant deny the overall impact it has had in the 11 years since it dropped.

[D.Rich]

lol @ Soul on Ice bein better than RD haha

[Kingofkings]

Its amazing how a dude who sells so little can have so many stans. Even though im a huge nas fan i think 75% of his fans are white people from the suburbs, people over 30 or losers on the internet.
Its sad cause nas is against most of those kind of dudes.

[illwill01]

Its amazing how a dude who sells so little can have so many stans. Even though im a huge nas fan i think 75% of his fans are white people from the suburbs, people over 30 or losers on the internet.
Its sad cause nas is against most of those kind of dudes.

you mostly right, but a dude who "sells so little"? Huh??? 8 straight platinum plus albums....

[RochesterSS]

NO! They are not fukkin with D'evils, Dead Presidents or Can I Live. Not even close actually.
In what sense are they not fukking with them??

I'll admit D'evils is witty as hell, probably slightly more lyrical then the Ghost joints.

But you have to admit Ghost's swag and the Daytona 500 beat and Fish beat are better.

[Kingofkings]

you mostly right, but a dude who "sells so little"? Huh??? 8 straight platinum plus albums....
yeah i expressed myself bad, i meant 50 sells like 5 million in us per album and jay has sold like 3 times more than nas in shorter amount of time and nas has got as many stans on sohh as both of them together. i didnt mean little as little i mean he doesnt sell like 50, dmx, luda, jay, pac, big you know the deal

[Kingofkings]

In what sense are they not fukking with them??

I'll admit D'evils is witty as hell, probably slightly more lyrical then the Ghost joints.

But you have to admit Ghost's swag and the Daytona 500 beat and Fish beat are better.
In 96-97 i would cosign you on that ghost was better than jay and that iron man was better cause i was caught in the wuhype, but when i listened some years later it was still classic but reasonabledoubt was alot better not sure if it is fuccking with ob4cl though

[Ur Wrong, I'm Right]

ok 1st you said that rd being a forced classic was a fact and now youre saying its just an opinion. youve switched up. nah, saying that its your opinion that it was a forced classic isnt hate, but i would just ask what you are basing that opinion on?


Nope never said it was a fact..you're putting words in my mouth. Most people I talk to on here in and outside life admit that RD is not a classic. Ever since Jay said it on the BP, faqqots been shouting it like fukkin sheep.



thats a personal opinion that oviously the collective hiphop community doesnt really agree with since rd is regarded as 1 of the best hiphop albums of the 90's.


LOL..Nah they just been saying that cause he's been one of the most popular rappers since like 99, so of course cats are gonna say his "best" album is a classic.

still didnt have the impact of a 7 day theory..all eyez on me...me against the world..death certificate...ready to die..36 chambers..the chronic..doggystyle..shy's a fukkin joke.

[doeboy]

Nope never said it was a fact..you're putting words in my mouth. Most people I talk to on here in and outside life admit that RD is not a classic. Ever since Jay said it on the BP, faqqots been shouting it like fukkin sheep. i got you and some1 else mixed up, thats my bad. youre still hating tho. all that "most ppl i talk to on here and in my outside life say...." means nothing to me. you could a complete lame who has no firends and never goes outside for all i know. youre talking out of both sides of ya mouth anyway. on 1 hand you say that its a "forced classic" implying that jay brainwashed ppl into thinking its classic, then you turn around and say that most of the ppl you know dont think its a classic. if you dont know that many ppl who think its a classic, then how how can you discredit them and their opinion by accusing them of being sheep?



you saying that the album isnt a classic is a personal opinion that oviously the collective hiphop community doesnt really agree with since rd is regarded as 1 of the best hiphop albums of the 90's.

LOL..Nah they just been saying that cause he's been one of the most popular rappers since like 99, so of course cats are gonna say his "best" album is a classic.thats exactly how a hater would rationalize the situation. its all a conspiracy.


still didnt have the impact of a 7 day theory..all eyez on me...me against the world..death certificate...ready to die..36 chambers..the chronic..doggystyle..shy's a fukkin joke. thats your personal opinion my man, i dont agree.

[RochesterSS]

In 96-97 i would cosign you on that ghost was better than jay and that iron man was better cause i was caught in the wuhype, but when i listened some years later it was still classic but reasonabledoubt was alot better not sure if it is fuccking with ob4cl though
I disagree

Ironman is a better album

A lot of tracks on RD put me too sleep

[doinThangz]

I disagree
Ironman is a better album
A lot of tracks on RD put me too sleep
c/s..I mean RD is a classic and all
but I dont understand why Jigger stans cant take NO for an answer...why cant you just agree to disagree?

some people just dont like RD..is that really that hard to understand?

[Ur Wrong, I'm Right]

all that "most ppl i talk to on here and in my outside life say...." means nothing to me. you could a complete lame who has no firends and never goes outside for all i know.



you should be slapped for JUST thinking this silly shyt...anyway..explain to me why RD should be considered a classic by hip hop fans.

sales? nope
impact? nope
influence? nope

what..because it's just a good album turned into a classic 5 years after its release by none other than jay himself :laugh: ...please.

[doeboy]

you should be slapped for JUST thinking this silly shyt...anyway..explain to me why RD should be considered a classic by hip hop fans.

sales? nope
impact? nope
influence? nope

what..because it's just a good album turned into a classic 5 years after its release by none other than jay himself :laugh: ...please.rd is already cemented as a classic in hiphop history, i dont see anything to gain from tryna convince you that the album is a classic. you can personally feel like the album isnt that great or not as great as other "classic" albums, but just know that your personal opinion doesnt always have to be in lock-step with the consensus opinion.

you imply that the album has had no impact or influence and that just shows how divorced from reality you really are. either that or its a direct indication of how much hate you have in ya blood. did you even read my last post? the album didnt make a huge impact when it 1st dropped but you have to be blind not to see the overall impact it has had in the 11 years since. same with influence.c/s..I mean RD is a classic and all
but I dont understand why Jigger stans cant take NO for an answer...why cant you just agree to disagree?
some people just dont like RD..is that really that hard to understand?
youre funny. this thread isnt about "jigger stans" not being able to accept some ppl not liking rd, this thread is about some1 tryna discredit the album by saying it wasnt top 5 during the year it came out. you should be asking rd discreditors why they cant accept the fact that a lot of ppl feel that the album is better than they do. 2pac stan.

[Ur Wrong, I'm Right]

rd is already cemented as a classic in hiphop history, i dont see anything to gain from tryna convince you that the album is a classic.

then why even be in this thread homie??? stop playing dumb and answer the damn questions.


you can personally feel like the album isnt that great or not as great as other "classic" albums, but just know that your personal opinion doesnt always have to in lock-step with the consensus opinion.

So what's the difference between me sayin it's overrated bullshyt and you saying it's "cemented in hip hop history"?..Clearly your Jay bias is making you say stupid shyt.

you imply that the album has had no impact or influence and that just shows how divorced from reality you really are.

Drop a few examples before making yourself look like a complete dumbass with these type of comments. Where's the impact? (after 11 years)

either that or its a direct indication of how much hate you have in ya blood. did you even read my last post? the album didnt make a huge impact when it 1st dropped but you have to be blind not to see the overall impact it has had in the 11 years since. same with influence.

Read above..I already said it's a solid 4 mic..Only shady Jay stans consider that "Hate"..

RD is a forced classic..like it or not...Not hate.

[MNFBackwordz]

RD was the climax of 90's era hip hop. period.

Make as many threads as you want you will never be able to take that title away from that momentus and exceptional album.

RD >>>>> snobish hip hop fans

[Ur Wrong, I'm Right]

RD was the climax of 90's era hip hop. period.
Make as many threads as you want you will never be able to take that title away from that momentus and exceptional album.
RD >>>>> snobish hip hop fans


:laugh: @ this faqqot

At least come through with some nice replies, like that other Jigga stan, instead of holding his dikk like ya name was beyonce.

[syntony4872]

rd is already cemented as a classic in hiphop history, i dont see anything to gain from tryna convince you that the album is a classic. you can personally feel like the album isnt that great or not as great as other "classic" albums, but just know that your personal opinion doesnt always have to be in lock-step with the consensus opinion.
you imply that the album has had no impact or influence and that just shows how divorced from reality you really are. either that or its a direct indication of how much hate you have in ya blood. did you even read my last post? the album didnt make a huge impact when it 1st dropped but you have to be blind not to see the overall impact it has had in the 11 years since. same with influence.youre funny. this thread isnt about "jigger stans" not being able to accept some ppl not liking rd, this thread is about some1 tryna discredit the album by saying it wasnt top 5 during the year it came out. you should be asking rd discreditors why they cant accept the fact that a lot of ppl feel that the album is better than they do. 2pac stan.


if rd didnt have an immediate influence when it dropped should TELL YOU SOMETHING...

the fact that its "impact" has surfaced in the 11 since might be an indicator that it is A FORCED CLASSIC....

rd "classic title" has more to do with Jay-z status in the game right now .. not on the merits of the album..

his later albums sold great which ALLOWED HIM TO GO BACK AN CLAIM CLASSIC STATUS with this album...

thread starter listed off plenty of albums that are REAL CLASSICS and rd isnt even on par with them but fact that JAY Z Is so popular now gives him influence to have magazines go back and give him revisonists credit for his "classic"

jay is a good salesman...

[gotti capone]

Soul On Ice > RD

But I disagree with the threadstarter..

Also, AEOM > RD

and..

RD > IWW


All Eyez on Me is the worst Pac pre-death. shy was had nothing but filler tracks one after the other. how anyone liked this album is a mystery.



and It Was written is prolly the best sophmore release next to Life After Death. But Reasonable Doubt is still better than It Was Written.

[AKee1981]

Soul On Ice was a sorry-ass album.
And LOL @ dudes thinkin' just cause RD isn't in THEIR top 5, it wasn't great.
Yall niccas on here do ANYTHING and go to ANY lengths possible to discredit that man's career. :thumbsdow
werd

[Ur Wrong, I'm Right]

more to do with Jay-z status in the game right now .. not on the merits of the album..



that's basically it.

[syntony4872]

rd HAD NO IMPACT ON THE GAME IN 1996...and in 96 im sure even NEW YORK themselves could name 5 better albums from new york/east coast...

but were in 2007 and jay is on top... but not cause of rd ... CAUSE ALOT OF OTHER GREAT RAPPERS DIED AND HE GAINED...

aint no way if big were alive today that jay z would be where he is now... AND MOST PEOPLE KNEW THIS IN 1996 WHEN RD CAME OUT..

[Hug_A_Hater]

if rd didnt have an immediate influence when it dropped should TELL YOU SOMETHING...
the fact that its "impact" has surfaced in the 11 since might be an indicator that it is A FORCED CLASSIC....
rd "classic title" has more to do with Jay-z status in the game right now .. not on the merits of the album..
his later albums sold great which ALLOWED HIM TO GO BACK AN CLAIM CLASSIC STATUS with this album...
thread starter listed off plenty of albums that are REAL CLASSICS and rd isnt even on par with them but fact that JAY Z Is so popular now gives him influence to have magazines go back and give him revisonists credit for his "classic"
jay is a good salesman...


DAMN. co fucckin sign.


1.

[syntony4872]

All Eyez on Me is the worst Pac pre-death. shy was had nothing but filler tracks one after the other. how anyone liked this album is a mystery.
and It Was written is prolly the best sophmore release next to Life After Death. But Reasonable Doubt is still better than It Was Written.


ambitions of a rydah
all eyes on me
only god can judge me
picture me rollin
shorty wanna be a thug

FILLER come on... and these where not the single tracks

cali lov
americas most
how do you want it>>>>>played in every goddam club forever

please

[illwill01]

rd HAD NO IMPACT ON THE GAME IN 1996...and in 96 im sure even NEW YORK themselves could name 5 better albums from new york/east coast...
but were in 2007 and jay is on top... but not cause of rd ... CAUSE ALOT OF OTHER GREAT RAPPERS DIED AND HE GAINED...
aint no way if big were alive today that jay z would be where he is now... AND MOST PEOPLE KNEW THIS IN 1996 WHEN RD CAME OUT..

BIG admitted Jay was one of the few MCs who were better on the mic than him when he first heard Dead Presidents.

[doeboy]

then why even be in this thread homie??? stop playing dumb and answer the damn questions. to state my opinion, "homie". fuk those dumb questions.

So what's the difference between me sayin it's overrated bullshyt and you saying it's "cemented in hip hop history"?..Clearly your Jay bias is making you say stupid shyt.the difference is 1 is a personal opinion and the other isnt. you saying that "rd is an overrated piece of sh1t" is a personal opinion while me saying "its cemented in hiphop history as a classic" is a fact. has nothing to do with bias, use common sense. personally, i think illmatic is the most overrated album in hiphop history, but i could never deny that its cemented in history as a hiphop classic.

Drop a few examples before making yourself look like a complete dumbass with these type of comments. Where's the impact? (after 11 years)do you even know how to read? i already gave you big ass example of the impact the album has had when i talked about the 10th anniversary concert that instantly sold out. that alone shows the impact that the album has made over these last 11 years. you cant throw 10th anniversay concerts for albums that have had not impact. how old are you?

Read above..I already said it's a solid 4 mic..Only shady Jay stans consider that "Hate"..

RD is a forced classic..like it or not...Not hate. your personal opinion is your personal opinion, but when you try and discredit other ppl's opinion(sheep say its a classic because jay said it on bp) to make your opinion seem right, its hate. you can deny that all you want, bothers me none because it is what it is.

[RochesterSS]

if rd didnt have an immediate influence when it dropped should TELL YOU SOMETHING...
the fact that its "impact" has surfaced in the 11 since might be an indicator that it is A FORCED CLASSIC....
rd "classic title" has more to do with Jay-z status in the game right now .. not on the merits of the album..
his later albums sold great which ALLOWED HIM TO GO BACK AN CLAIM CLASSIC STATUS with this album...
thread starter listed off plenty of albums that are REAL CLASSICS and rd isnt even on par with them but fact that JAY Z Is so popular now gives him influence to have magazines go back and give him revisonists credit for his "classic"
jay is a good salesman...

/Thread

[Ur Wrong, I'm Right]

lol @ 10th anniversary being IMPACT...lemme guess JAY orginized that huh?

I should come over there and whoop ya fukkin ass...


It's "classic" status has more to do with his place in Hip Hop than the actual album itself.

[gotti capone]

ambitions of a rydah- beats made the song
all eyes on me- beat made the song
only god can judge me- :thumbsdow
picture me rollin- beat carried the song
shorty wanna be a thug- no lie. this was a hot joint
FILLER come on... and these where not the single tracks
cali lov- lotta buzz. but i didnt like it
americas most- had a buzz only becuz it was him and Snoop on the track.
how do you want it>>>>>played in every goddam club forever
please


that about it. i only agree with you on two songs. How Do You Want It and Shorty Wanna Be a Thug.

you shoulda mentioned Wonder Why They Call You Bytch.

[syntony4872]

Soul On Ice was a sorry-ass album.
And LOL @ dudes thinkin' just cause RD isn't in THEIR top 5, it wasn't great.
Yall niccas on here do ANYTHING and go to ANY lengths possible to discredit that man's career. :thumbsdow


there is the problem... .U TALK ABOUT DIS CREDITING HIS CAREER..THE THREAD STARTER IS TALKING ABOUT DISCREDITING THE ALBUM..

im not gonna assume that rd is a great classic CAUSE JAY Z ENDED UP SELLING IN THE FUTURE MILLIONS MORE RECORDS..

IM GOING TO listen to the album when it came out and say wow or blah

in 96.. this album wasnt anything special...

when i heard aeom , doggystyle, even east coast albums like rtd or wu tang i said wow ... rd was blah

AND EVIDENTLY ALOT OF OTHER PEOPLE IN 96 SAID BLAH TO RD and its a lie to think this album is a classic based on the man success later in his career cause if it was true album it wouldve shined AT THE TIME IT CAME OUT...

BUT FACT IS THE AS THE THREAD STARTER POINTS OUT IT COULDNT EVEN OUT SHINE THE ALBUMS HE LISTED.. on the album (content , music) itself and for sure THAT ALBUM HAD NO IMPACT cause we wouldnt be having this discussion...

it would be as if somebody would replace this thread with RD with that of aeom or doggystyle or rtd .. it wouldnt make sense... but with rd it makes alot of sense

[syntony4872]

that about it. i only agree with you on two songs. How Do You Want It and Shorty Wanna Be a Thug.
you shoulda mentioned Wonder Why They Call You Bytch.


lol at ambitionz of a rydah beats making the song... or only god could judge me... yeah that wasnt lyrical at all..smh

[doeboy]

if rd didnt have an immediate influence when it dropped should TELL YOU SOMETHING...
the fact that its "impact" has surfaced in the 11 since might be an indicator that it is A FORCED CLASSIC....
rd "classic title" has more to do with Jay-z status in the game right now .. not on the merits of the album..
his later albums sold great which ALLOWED HIM TO GO BACK AN CLAIM CLASSIC STATUS with this album...
thread starter listed off plenty of albums that are REAL CLASSICS and rd isnt even on par with them but fact that JAY Z Is so popular now gives him influence to have magazines go back and give him revisonists credit for his "classic"
jay is a good salesman...like i told the other cat, this is exactly how i hater would try and rationalize things. rd being a classic is all a conspiracy to you haters. jay brainwhased ppl into thinking its a classic and that is the only reason ppl say that it is. blah blah blah, its the same old story. you ppl need to get some self esteem and pride. hating on jay over the net isnt going to improve your lives or destroy his. let the sh1t go. if you dont think that the album is that great then fine, be secure in your opinion and taste. i just dont get the need to discredit other ppl's opinion simply because you dont agree.you cats go to great lengths to try and make your opinions seem more than what they are. "it was a great album but nobody was calling it classic until 2001", nobody ran around calling albums "classics" like that back in 96 man. the whole "classic" craze didnt start until the late 90's early 00's and thats why the source went back and re-rated all the classic albums that they had previously overlooked. there is no such things as an "instant classic" and thats what ppl need to get thru their heads. time determines what material is worthy of classic status, not the personal opinions of a group of ppl working for some magazine.
if anything, the fact that rd was initially slpet on by the public and slowly but surely grew and grew on more ppl just solidifies its classic status in my opinion. yea jay may have mentioned it here and there thru the years, but its hard for me to believe those few comments about the album brainwashed all these ppl who love the album now. if you want to talk about the most overrated album in hiphop history, then you look no further than illmatic. thats the album that ppl have been "brainwahsed" to like. and thats definitely no hate on illmatic, but it is what it is.

[syntony4872]

BIG admitted Jay was one of the few MCs who were better on the mic than him when he first heard Dead Presidents.

thats cool BUT YOUR TALKING ABOUT THE MAN'S TALENTS AND CAREER IN LATER YEARS.. IM TALKING ABOUT THE ALBUM...

the album was not a classic.. his talents to some might be classic.. BUT THE ALBUM WASNT A CLASSIC...

again we are talking about album not career....

[Kingofkings]

Almost 10 pages of hate and still jay has been honored the best rapper ever the most by media and majority of the hip hop fans.

[syntony4872]

like i told the other cat, this is exactly how i hater would try and rationalize things. rd being a classic is all a conspiracy to you haters. jay brainwhased ppl into thinking its a classic and that is the only reason ppl say that it is. blah blah blah, its the same old story. you ppl need to get some self esteem and pride. hating on jay over the net isnt going to improve your lives or destroy his. let the sh1t go. if you dont think that the album is that great then fine, be secure in your opinion and taste. i just dont get the need to discredit other ppl's opinion simply because you dont agree.


thats dumb... CAUSE IM NOT HATING ON THE GUYS CAREER.. IM HATING ON THE ALBUM AND THE FACT THAT HIS "BEST" ALBUM WASNT EVEN A TOP 5 OR 10 ALBUM IN 1996 which you could say was the glory years...

that doesnt take away that he is lyrcally talented or sold millions of records.. but it does take away that in the prime era of rap.. his so called greatest album wasnt considered a classic when it came out BUT WAS CONSIDERED A CLASSIC 11 YEARS LATER... WTF you not gonna say that jay z status in the game has anything to do with that.?

if you do THEN ITS YOU THATS HATING ON THE MANS CAREER CAUSE JAY IS A BETTER SALESMAN THAT YOU ARE GIVING HIM CREDIT FOR AND IF YOU THINK THAT JOE PUBLIC (THAT DIDNT THINK RD WAS TOP 5 CLASSIC IN 96 ) BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN WOKE UP IN 2004 and said "wow this is now a classic" and ive made this decison all by myself" no influence there HUH?

come on

[syntony4872]

Almost 10 pages of hate and still jay has been honored the best rapper ever the most by media and majority of the hip hop fans.


thats great.. but his best album wasnt top 5 or 10 in 1996 .. does that discredit his career...?

CAUSE THIS IS A GODDAMN FACT THAT RD WASNT TOP 10 till he had the success you brought up

[houston911]

smh at iww being a top 5 in any category without nas best and the months of december 96. sh1t was nice but not classic just check the reviews.

OKEY/NICE REVIEWS IT WAS WRITTEN
* All Music Guide 4/5 stars link
* NME 6/10 stars link
* Q 4/5 stars link
* Rolling Stone 2/5 stars link
* The Source 4/5 starslink
* ARTISTdirect 4/5 stars link
* sputnikmusic 3.5/5 stars link

CLASSIC REVIEWS REASONBLEDOUBT
* All Music Guide 5/5 stars link
* Rolling Stone Album Guide 5/5 stars 2004 (only hip hop album to get 5 of RS?)
* The Source 5/5 stars August, 1996; p. 95
* XXL Magazine (XXL)

how u find old reviews? i wanna see what jadakiss got

[doeboy]

thats dumb... CAUSE IM NOT HATING ON THE GUYS CAREER.. IM HATING ON THE ALBUM AND THE FACT THAT HIS "BEST" ALBUM WASNT EVEN A TOP 5 OR 10 ALBUM IN 1996 which you could say was the glory years...the fact that youre hating at all is the point, and is the reason why the things that youre saying hold no weight. saying that rd wasnt a top 5 album of '96 is an opinion, not a fact.

that doesnt take away that he is lyrcally talented or sold millions of records.. but it does take away that in the prime era of rap.. his so called greatest album wasnt considered a classic when it came out BUT WAS CONSIDERED A CLASSIC 11 YEARS LATER... WTF you not gonna say that jay z status in the game has anything to do with that.?maybe it does to some ppl, but i can only speak for myself and i thought that rd was a great album long before i heard him say so on bp. like i said, theres no such thing as an "instant classic", real classics are determined over time. ppl werent running around calling albums "classic" back then anyway, sh1t was either dope or it wasnt. the ppl at the source were the only 1's labeling albums as "classic" back then, and it was just part of their mic rating gimmick. they didnt give rtd,doggystyle,chronic, nor enter the wu 5 mics when they 1st reviewed them. you look silly to me tryna use the fact that the album was initially slept as a reason why its not a classic.


if you do THEN ITS YOU THATS HATING ON THE MANS CAREER CAUSE JAY IS A BETTER SALESMAN THAT YOU ARE GIVING HIM CREDIT FOR AND IF YOU THINK THAT JOE PUBLIC (THAT DIDNT THINK RD WAS TOP 5 CLASSIC IN 96 ) BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN WOKE UP IN 2004 and said "wow this is now a classic" and ive made this decison all by myself" no influence there HUH?
come on what are you on? why are tryna speak for how everybody thought in 1996? stick to speaking for yourself cuzo. i said that the album was slept on, and that was because a lot of ppl didnt even know who jay was back then. plus there was tons of great hiphop music being out out back then. you act like everybody got together in 96 to vote, and the results came back saying "rd is good but not as good as real classics". when i 1st heard the album i thought it was good, a couple of weeks later i found myself playing it more than any of my other joints(including iww, which i copped the same day). a year and some change later, it was my favorite album of all time. im quite sure there are plenty of other ppl who had a similar experience.

[Kingofkings]

how u find old reviews? i wanna see what jadakiss got
search on the album on wikipedia and every review will be there and also you can go on www.metacritic.com

[Kingofkings]

thats great.. but his best album wasnt top 5 or 10 in 1996 .. does that discredit his career...?
CAUSE THIS IS A GODDAMN FACT THAT RD WASNT TOP 10 till he had the success you brought up
According to you it wasnt in top 10 in 96, according to someone else its the best ever, according to me its top 5 or 10 and according to the most important magazines and tv sources its top 10 so i think its safe to say by the majority of hip hop fans (excluding nas stans) its a top 10 album ever. and i think its safe to say its all opinions :)