Doe or Die >>>>>>>>>> Reasonable Doubt

[RochesterSS]

DOE OR DIE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> REASONABLE DOUBT

uncut raw > cant knock da hustle
rather unique > dead presidents
suga hill > feelin it
mo money mo murda > d'evils
world dont stop > aint no n1gga
doe or die > bring it on

suga hill remix > can i live remix

My assessment is doe or die is better

i'll honestly be disgusted if a jigga warrior comes in here saying RD was better then Doe or Die

jigga was nice on RD, but lyrically and flow wise he isn't on AZ's level. especially on Doe or Die.

same with the production. Doe or Die was better. maybe if every beat on RD was as good as Politics as Usual it would be different story

[mitchandness]

i agree 100%. jay and az are both in my top 10, but reasonable doubt is maaadd overrated. i dont even like it like that.

doe or die is a CLASSIC tho.

uncut raw :ohmy:
mo money mo murder...
rather unique
sugar hill
ho happy jackie

^^^^^^ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable doubt

[Street Novelist]

Az would die to have an album like Reasonable Doubt under his belt.

The threadstarter is just Exercisin his gay like mind like Richard Simmons.

[Hug_A_Hater]

reasonable doubt is maaadd overrated. i dont even like it like that.

[TheVoice315]

we need an official rewrite rap history thread on sohh ...u n1ggas be trippin

[Spike Lee]

you're right..

both are classics though... and Jay doesn't have any songs on reasonable doubt touching "Rather Unique"

Can I live is the only song coming close..

I suggest you make this into a poll to make jay stans upset :yes:

[Street Novelist]

you're right..

both are classics though... and Jay doesn't have any songs on reasonable doubt touching "Rather Unique"

Can I live is the only song coming close..

I suggest you make this into a poll to make jay stans upset :yes:


Jay-z and Biggie trading verses>>>Az's career

[RochesterSS]

Jay-z and Biggie trading verses>>>Az's career
saying a mediocre verse is better then someone's whole career is stan talk

[J0ker_973]

lol at this doo rochester always makin threads against jay.. doo is da ultimate stan

[fundz]

Make a poll. Let's make it official.

[Mandizi]

lyrically az's might be better

production and overall jigga's is better

[RochesterSS]

lyrically az's might be better
production and overall jigga's is better
i disagree

the RD beats didn't give you the feeling and essence of the NY streets like the beats on Doe or Die did.

Sugar Hill Remix is just :ohmy:

beat gives me chills

not to mention Doe or Die didn't have any lame skits

it was much better overall

[infamouswubird]

i might agree, would have to relisten. to pretend its not close to being better than RD is dumb tho

[theman080]

that jay & Biggie collab is overrated to, nothin too hot on that track, just cool to look back and see two legends going back and forth...but that track is barely above average

[Mr.Sam]

we need an official rewrite rap history thread on sohh ...u n1ggas be trippin


DOD and RD were considered about equal albums when they came out, at the least. What rewritten history? If anything Do or Die got more praise when it was first released because AZ was well more known back then. You dudes showing your age.

For the record, I prefer RD to do or die. I like the beats better.

[mrsixmics]

i like both of them the same in terms of favoritism but the threadstarter only compared like 6 songs and even then, i dont agree w/ half of them.

reasonable doubt is clearly better but you can still make a nice case for doe or die like the threadstarter did.

doe or die is the most underrated album ever but reasonable doubt is top 10 all-time.

im luvin this thread, regardless.

[RochesterSS]

i like both of them the same in terms of favoritism but the threadstarter only compared like 6 songs and even then, i dont agree w/ half of them.
reasonable doubt is clearly better but you can still make a nice case for doe or die like the threadstarter did.
doe or die is the most underrated album ever but reasonable doubt is top 10 all-time.
im luvin this thread, regardless.
i compared the 6 best tracks on each album + the remix

Doe or Die takes it

[Mr.Sam]

i compared the 6 best tracks on each album + the remix
Doe or Die takes it

Can I Live >>>>>>>>>

[Prince of Zamunda]

DOE OR DIE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> REASONABLE DOUBT
uncut raw > cant knock da hustle
rather unique > dead presidents
suga hill > feelin it
mo money mo murda > d'evils
world dont stop > aint no n1gga
doe or die > bring it on
suga hill remix > can i live remix
My assessment is doe or die is better
i'll honestly be disgusted if a jigga warrior comes in here saying RD was better then Doe or Die
jigga was nice on RD, but lyrically and flow wise he isn't on AZ's level. especially on Doe or Die.
same with the production. Doe or Die was better. maybe if every beat on RD was as good as Politics as Usual it would be different story

stfu u canadian nas stan

[mrsixmics]

u cant just compare 6 tracks tho. and even then reasonable doubt takes it.

u mean to tell me "gimme yours" aint top 6? cmon, that song is remarkable.

[Mr.Sam]

u cant just compare 6 tracks tho. and even then reasonable doubt takes it.
u mean to tell me "gimme yours" aint top 6? cmon, that song is remarkable.

Those top 6 songs he picked are way off

World Don't Stop?
Can't Knock the Hustle
Ain't No Niigga?

WTF?

[RochesterSS]

stfu u canadian nas stan

lol @ the lonely last member of the crumbled FNM dying for attention

u cant just compare 6 tracks tho. and even then reasonable doubt takes it.
u mean to tell me "gimme yours" aint top 6? cmon, that song is remarkable.
yeah true that song is dope

might have to replace the original Sugar Hill with Gimme Yours

either way, Doe or Die takes it easily

[kingofduval904]

jay-z = goat

[IGOD777]

Its crazy how the Gimme Yours remix was never on Doe Or Die. I always preferred over the original. Hoe Happy Jackie was also a tight song.

[mrsixmics]

they had a remix for gimme yours?

rochester, you cant take sugar hill out of the top 6 mayne. thats probably one of my top 25 fav rap singles. im gonna write the verses of my life and redo that song if i choose to start rappin for real. i pretty much already got one of my jawns to lay down the hook if i want.

[Obstical]

Mo Murda, Sugar Hill, Ho Happy Jackie, Gimme Yours, Rather Unique

^ These are classics and there's a couple other decent songs on the album.

But Reasonable Doubt is a lot better to me.

[mrsixmics]

^couple of other decent songs? every song on there is sick at the least.

a better thread would be doe or die >> ready to die

well, theres less similarities but i think doe or die may be better than ready to die.

[RochesterSS]

sugar hill remix > sugar hill

the sugar hill beat is too... west coast-ish

and i could do without the "AZ's for reeeeeeeeeeal" chick

[Obstical]

I just don't see it as being up there as a classic album.

If this was a classic album AZ would be thought of as more of a legend than he is now, imo.

[Ca$$ius Clay]

For some one who doesn't like Jay-Z you make a sh1t load of threads about him

[RochesterSS]

I just don't see it as being up there as a classic album.
If this was a classic album AZ would be thought of as more of a legend than he is now, imo.
i don't see RD being a classic

it works both ways

ya dig?

[mrsixmics]

lol @ dude saying doe or die isnt a classic album.

[Street Novelist]

lol @ dude saying doe or die isnt a classic album.
It's not compared to Reasonable Doubt and Ready to Die.

[mrsixmics]

^but dude said it wasnt a classic.

btw, i think it might be better than ready to die.

[Ice Cold EX]

hmmmm i dunno i think rd is overrated but i dunno if dod is better

[nieman]

I think Doe or Die is the better album. It has better songs and is more cohesive. You just seem to feel AZ spittin over melodic beats over Jay-Z sometimey nonchalant lyrics & flow. The album flows better while Reasonable Doubt is all over the place. And why didn't anyone mention Uncut Raw..my second fav track on the album.

But truthfully, I wouldn't even call Doe or Die a classic. More like a banger such as War Report (btw..War Report is better than Reasonable Doubt too...damn).

[illwill01]

RD without question, and I love AZ in general and I love Doe or Die as an ambum. But it jsut isn't better.

[RochesterSS]

Jigga Warriors only defense is "RD is better"

lol @ saying "i love AZ" like it will make your argument hold more weight

sorry jigga jockies, it doesnt work like that

Doe or Die was better lyrically, production wise, and overall

/thread

[E-MAC]

Doe or Die>RD easily, AZ was in the zone damn so many great albums dropped in the '90's it makes me sad to see what album we have now SMH.

[The Nastiest]

I'm not gonna say which is better, but for anyone to say it's not debatable is ridiculous. RD was not considered a classic until Jay-Z lobbied that shyt into classic stuatus on some politics shyt. It was always a ver good album, but never classic. Same with DOD. Difference is Jay came way up and constantly whined(for lack of a better word) about people not callin RD classic until people started to comply and agree. AZ didn't blow up and never cried about how DOD was received or remembered.

[mrsixmics]

^what? reasonable doubt was generally considered a classic long before jay started whining. he was basically whining to the media.

doe or die is generally considered a classic too.

[dumbout227]

that jay & Biggie collab is overrated to, nothin too hot on that track, just cool to look back and see two legends going back and forth...but that track is barely above average

:thumbsdow to this fool sayin an aveage track at best

[rbk2003]

It's not a good comparison to me.Doe or die need to be compared to illmatic. Doe or die is the last album that sound anything like illmatic....az was what 20 yrs old when he made this album.....amazing how him and nas are so wise beyond their years.

[mrsixmics]

^yes indeed.

but then again, alot of the guys droppin classics and knowledge were around that age and younger back then like bone &^ mobb deep but yea, they were still above them dudes in knowledge. its crazy.

nowadays, if youre 20 and actually drop an album, you can use it as a gimmick like "im young".

[RochesterSS]

much much better

[King of the Cats]

DOD and RD were considered about equal albums when they came out, at the least. What rewritten history? If anything Do or Die got more praise when it was first released because AZ was well more known back then. You dudes showing your age.

For the record, I prefer RD to do or die. I like the beats better.
Exactly. RD didn't even stand out from the pack in 96' and was among the many good albums that year. I think Hell on Earth by the Mobb shat on both albums combined. RD didn't become a 'classic' until Jay blew after that and people caught wind of his first album because, like most of these internet geeks in here, they were mad late.

But RD >>>Doe or Die

[MNFBackwordz]

more Jay haters?? .....what else is new

[6th Man]

Doe or Die > RD :yes:

[Tha Teflon Don]

C/S this thread

[Windex Cleanerz]

Doe or Die is classic, but it aint better than RD .....you n*ggas must have that hate running in your blood for Jay if you think Doe or Die is better than Reasonable Doubt.

Going track by track comparing the most similar songs we'll see who wins out.


Uncut Raw = Brooklyn's Finest (1-1)
Gimme Yours >>>> Cant Knock The Hustle (2-1)
Hoe Happy Jackie <<<<< Aint No N*gga (2-2)
Rather Unique = 22 Two's (3-3)
I Feel For You <<<< Politics as Usual (3-4)
Sugar Hill <<< Feelin It (3-5)
MMMMMH >>> Coming of Age (4-5)
Doe or Die <<<Dead Presidents (4-6)
Your World Dont Stop <<< Can I Live (4-7)
Sugar Hill Remix <<<Cashmere Thoughts (4-8)

AZ loses 4-8 to Jay.

And thats not even all the tracks off RD ...you still got gems such as D'Evils, Friend or Foe, Bring It On, Regrets and Can I Live part 2

Clean all that wax out your ears, n*ggas is so determined to take credit away from Jay, you look ignorant in the process while doing it.

RD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Doe or Die