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Gentility
07-31-07, 03:50 PM
Where's Nas?
http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/hottest/index14.jhtml
The members of MTV News' hip-hop brain trust wouldn't have been chosen if they weren't passionate about music — and you see both in the TV special and below just how passionate one of them is about a certain MC not appearing in the top 10.
Jim Jones over Nas: Are we crazy? That's been the topic of discussion coming from everyone who took a glimpse at our "Hottest MCs in the Game" project. I'm talking urban-music Web sites, rap artists (some on this list), mixtape DJs, childhood friends — everybody disagreed with some aspect of our list, but by far the most consistent were the rants about Jim Jones outranking Nas. Real talk: My partner Shaheem Reid and I warned our brain trust counterparts that we made a big mistake — a Titanic-size one at that — after we finalized our top 10.
Don't get it twisted: Jim Jones is a very dope rapper (not lyricist), someone I've had the pleasure to know personally and respect — but as mentioned in the show, he doesn't belong in this top 10 list. Honorable Mention, yes — but not top 10. In my opinion neither Jay-Z, Nas, Common nor Andre 3000 belong there either. Originally the concept for this project was to focus solely on the new lions (yeah, yeah, we know: Lil Wayne's not "new"), but we couldn't ignore the level of impactful music these gentlemen were putting out. So we included them.
When we tallied up the brain trust members' individual votes going into our debate, Nas made the cut. Traditionally we bring our final top 10 to the table, as well as three or four honorable mentions to make for good conversation. Alongside Ghostface, Fabolous, and Ludacris, Jim Jones' name was thrown into the mix. Without directly putting anyone on blast, a certain individual sitting at the table suggested we take Nas off and replace him with Jim Jones; clearly the homie was dabbling in some sort of a deadly mixture of potent drugs to even put the two in the same category to start with. We're talking Nasty Nas, the king from Queens who reigns supreme as arguably the finest rapper to ever squeeze a pen. His last effort, Hip Hop Is Dead, lit a fire under a host of rappers, with some of them still talking about the controversial title months after its release (sorry Tip, freestyle ciphers are hip-hop!). And don't forget about the various "Where Are They Now" remixes, when Nas brought back legends Redhead Kingpin, EST, Positive K and Rob Base, just to name a few.
Jim Jones, on the other hand, had an undeniable hit record with "We Fly High" — and the Diplomats movement behind him as well. But one hit single and 300-something units cannot hold a candle to the real Mr. Jones' passionate lyrical displays. When we caught up with Jim two weeks ago, he was even taken aback by the fact that he'd made our list. So what does that tell you?
Part of the confusion about our debate was folks actually thought we were putting Nas against Jim Jones, when that really wasn't the conversation. The question was asked who should be added to the list, and some felt Jim Jones. When asked who should be taken off the answers ranged from Nas to Common to Jay-Z. In the end Nas was the victim, which if you saw the expression on my face, at that moment I could have agreed with Esco that hip-hop is dead if this is what things have come to.
I feel it is my duty, as an avid listener of hip-hop music since the early '80s (that's right, critics/bloggers: Shaheem and I do this for real) and as a representative for the borough of Queens, New York, to send an official apology to Nas. Clearly the other seven members of that panel are not fans and even worse, didn't pick up your latest opus, Hip Hop Is Dead. It'll be very interesting to see how Nas will address all the hoopla surrounding our list — that is, if he's even paying attention to it. After all, one of the points the brain trust was making is that Nas has a habit of going off into his own world, disappearing from the spotlight. But that shouldn't matter: As long as the music is on point, I'm riding out with the god. And expect that to be represented as long as my natural life will allow me to.
To set the record straight: My unofficial #10 artist is Nas. And also, 50 shoulda been #1. Rest in peace Stack Bundles! I'm out!
— Rahman Dukes
Classics
07-31-07, 03:55 PM
Sh*t at least someone spoke up on that list that mattered.
Cbanks36
07-31-07, 03:56 PM
ay God this thread is uncalled 4
MTV just put out one of the worst lists i have ever seen in my life
i expect to go over that type of list on sohh from a 15 year old white kid
jim jones has no lyrics
no flow
no classics
no record sales
one hit single
i dunno how he could be top 20
just showing you the state of the game in 2007
Koolest
07-31-07, 03:57 PM
other than little kids who the fck would take MTV's opinion on hiphop....
Mack Fetti.
07-31-07, 04:05 PM
Jim Jones Album>>>>>>>>>>Nas Album
Maybe Nas shoulda put Max B on a couple hooks. LOL
The Nastiest
07-31-07, 04:10 PM
yeah, it was strange to me how they could leave Nas off the list when he still got people talking about just the title of his album. nigqas been saying hip-hop is dead for years, but as soon as Nas says it everybody acts like they're being personally insulted. I'm not even knockin Jim Jones being on the list, cuz he is hot right now. Everybody is biting his clothing style and Ballin was a certified banger. But Nas shoulda been on there somewhere
what was the criteria, buzz, sales? nas made jeezy and everyone south of the mason dixon have a fit and he didnt do eminem numbers, but he damn sure aint sell 300k. we dont believe you, mtv.
their lil list holds no weight in my opinion because they never said what the criteria was. what defines "hot"? how is dre 3000 1 of the "hottest" mcs in the game? he's definitely 1 of the best, but not 1 of the hottest. in my opinion you couldve settled this real easy. suppose every mc in the game threw a concert on the same night, which mcs shows would sell out and who's would sell out the quickest? theres your answer.
Prolific_1011
07-31-07, 04:29 PM
Jim Jones Album>>>>>>>>>>Nas Album
Maybe Nas shoulda put Max B on a couple hooks. LOL
i hope that's a joke.
hip hop is dead (top 3 album in '07)>>>>>>>jim jone's life
anyways, that was a great article.
their lil list holds no weight in my opinion because they never said what the criteria was. what defines "hot"? how is dre 3000 1 of the "hottest" mcs in the game? he's definitely 1 of the best, but not 1 of the hottest. in my opinion you couldve settled this real easy. suppose every mc in the game threw a concert on the same night, which mcs shows would sell out and who's would sell out the quickest? theres your answer.
right. i like dre and all too, but obviously he isnt too hot judging from idlewild going styrofoam.
Jim Jones Album>>>>>>>>>>Nas Album
Maybe Nas shoulda put Max B on a couple hooks. LOL
i wonder why Jimmy only moved 400,000 units with one of the biggest anthems in the country and nas moving 800,000 + with no commercial airplay. maybe Jimmy should have NaS on a couple of his joints..........................oh wait, HE DOES want NaS on a couple of his joints.
shakobe
07-31-07, 04:32 PM
nas is garbage
Woodrow
07-31-07, 04:33 PM
Jim Jones Album>>>>>>>>>>Nas Album
Maybe Nas shoulda put Max B on a couple hooks. LOL
:laugh:
u dont believe that ya damn self...
grock2727
07-31-07, 04:54 PM
Where's Nas?
http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/hottest/index14.jhtml
My unofficial #10 artist is Nas. And also, 50 shoulda been #1. Rest in peace Stack Bundles! I'm out!
— Rahman Dukes
Lost me here, first off he has Nas higher on his official list, and how does a cat with 3 commercial flop singles qualify as the hottest MC out?
Endiphrint
07-31-07, 04:57 PM
Originally the concept for this project was to focus solely on the new lions (yeah, yeah, we know: Lil Wayne's not "new"), but we couldn't ignore the level of impactful music these gentlemen were putting out. So we included them
I've read some bull ish before, but if what these new cats are puttin out is impactful then its beyone over. I think I might just go out and buy a Elton John greatest hits album.
why do niqqas always end up aplogizing to NaS?
Jay has the greatest diss battle in the history of Hip Hop with NaS and then offers him a record deal?
Jeezy gets greasey on the radio, then calls NaS to make his peace?
Jim Jones claims to be the undisputed Kufi Smacker only to later say he would like to work with NaS on a track?
and now this shiit?
Street Novelist
07-31-07, 05:00 PM
F.uck Rahman Dukes...he put Onyx and The Lox over Outkast and the Geto Boys.
Nas should be on the list...but 50 Cent #1 after all his singles flopping? Hell No..plus his interviews are gathering the most buzz not anything on Curtis. I Get Money saved his album.
illwill01
07-31-07, 05:02 PM
Kanye shoulda been #1
Yoda3542
07-31-07, 05:06 PM
yo who cares?
it's MTV
Woodrow
07-31-07, 05:08 PM
yo who cares?
it's MTV
:yes:
VH1 is more hip-hop now than MTV
Hip-Hop Honors>>>>>MTV's wack ass "Greatest" lists...
khrys_x
07-31-07, 05:10 PM
I think Nas should've had Common's spot...
i wonder why Jimmy only moved 400,000 units with one of the biggest anthems in the country and nas moving 800,000 + with no commercial airplay. maybe Jimmy should have NaS on a couple of his joints..........................oh wait, HE DOES want NaS on a couple of his joints.
U hom0 NAZ only moved 700k jimmy moved 400k on indy.....only 300k more on a major...NUKKA PLEASE NAS LOST.
euro dirt
07-31-07, 05:15 PM
U hom0 NAZ only moved 700k jimmy moved 400k on indy.....only 300k more on a major...NUKKA PLEASE NAS LOST.
that's how wack jimmy is, cant even get a deal on a major label
U hom0 NAZ only moved 700k jimmy moved 400k on indy.....only 300k more on a major...NUKKA PLEASE NAS LOST.
yo whattup nikka? you havent posted here in a while yo. finally get back from that gay cruise shiit? i see you still have that homo ass avi of you. can you change that please? my my firefox browser isnt configuered to proccess gayness of that magnitude.
that's how wack jimmy is, cant even get a deal on a major label
master p didnt either...500million in da bank.
yo whattup nikka? you havent posted here in a while yo. finally get back from that gay cruise shiit? i see you still have that homo ass avi of you. can you change that please? my my firefox browser isnt configuered to proccess gayness of that magnitude.
Yeah i got that thang they call a life.....trader.
dont hate me cuz im sexy..biatchh.
Yeah i got that thang they call syphillis.
:confused:
euro dirt
07-31-07, 05:22 PM
master p didnt either...500million in da bank.
yeh great argument, master p was a fantastic emcee
NotoriousHNIC
07-31-07, 05:25 PM
Where's Nas?
http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/hottest/index14.jhtml
The members of MTV News' hip-hop brain trust wouldn't have been chosen if they weren't passionate about music — and you see both in the TV special and below just how passionate one of them is about a certain MC not appearing in the top 10.
Jim Jones over Nas: Are we crazy? That's been the topic of discussion coming from everyone who took a glimpse at our "Hottest MCs in the Game" project. I'm talking urban-music Web sites, rap artists (some on this list), mixtape DJs, childhood friends — everybody disagreed with some aspect of our list, but by far the most consistent were the rants about Jim Jones outranking Nas. Real talk: My partner Shaheem Reid and I warned our brain trust counterparts that we made a big mistake — a Titanic-size one at that — after we finalized our top 10.
Don't get it twisted: Jim Jones is a very dope rapper (not lyricist), someone I've had the pleasure to know personally and respect — but as mentioned in the show, he doesn't belong in this top 10 list. Honorable Mention, yes — but not top 10. In my opinion neither Jay-Z, Nas, Common nor Andre 3000 belong there either. Originally the concept for this project was to focus solely on the new lions (yeah, yeah, we know: Lil Wayne's not "new"), but we couldn't ignore the level of impactful music these gentlemen were putting out. So we included them.
When we tallied up the brain trust members' individual votes going into our debate, Nas made the cut. Traditionally we bring our final top 10 to the table, as well as three or four honorable mentions to make for good conversation. Alongside Ghostface, Fabolous, and Ludacris, Jim Jones' name was thrown into the mix. Without directly putting anyone on blast, a certain individual sitting at the table suggested we take Nas off and replace him with Jim Jones; clearly the homie was dabbling in some sort of a deadly mixture of potent drugs to even put the two in the same category to start with. We're talking Nasty Nas, the king from Queens who reigns supreme as arguably the finest rapper to ever squeeze a pen. His last effort, Hip Hop Is Dead, lit a fire under a host of rappers, with some of them still talking about the controversial title months after its release (sorry Tip, freestyle ciphers are hip-hop!). And don't forget about the various "Where Are They Now" remixes, when Nas brought back legends Redhead Kingpin, EST, Positive K and Rob Base, just to name a few.
Jim Jones, on the other hand, had an undeniable hit record with "We Fly High" — and the Diplomats movement behind him as well. But one hit single and 300-something units cannot hold a candle to the real Mr. Jones' passionate lyrical displays. When we caught up with Jim two weeks ago, he was even taken aback by the fact that he'd made our list. So what does that tell you?
Part of the confusion about our debate was folks actually thought we were putting Nas against Jim Jones, when that really wasn't the conversation. The question was asked who should be added to the list, and some felt Jim Jones. When asked who should be taken off the answers ranged from Nas to Common to Jay-Z. In the end Nas was the victim, which if you saw the expression on my face, at that moment I could have agreed with Esco that hip-hop is dead if this is what things have come to.
I feel it is my duty, as an avid listener of hip-hop music since the early '80s (that's right, critics/bloggers: Shaheem and I do this for real) and as a representative for the borough of Queens, New York, to send an official apology to Nas. Clearly the other seven members of that panel are not fans and even worse, didn't pick up your latest opus, Hip Hop Is Dead. It'll be very interesting to see how Nas will address all the hoopla surrounding our list — that is, if he's even paying attention to it. After all, one of the points the brain trust was making is that Nas has a habit of going off into his own world, disappearing from the spotlight. But that shouldn't matter: As long as the music is on point, I'm riding out with the god. And expect that to be represented as long as my natural life will allow me to.
To set the record straight: My unofficial #10 artist is Nas. And also, 50 shoulda been #1. Rest in peace Stack Bundles! I'm out!
— Rahman Dukes
That list was the biggest crock of sh*t Ive ever seen.. Nas straight bodied that chump Jim Jones with a couple of lines on M.O.B... His Hip Hop is Dead crusade sparked up more of a debate within the mainstream in not just in Hip Hop but also gained huge media coverage than Jim Jones Ballin. Nas has more hits under his belt than Jimmy, He's more lyrical, Had better albums, They need people like Diddy, Russell, J Prince, KRS-One, and veterans determined whos hot because I refuse to take the word of a bunch of college kids who think Weezy is the G.O.A.T. because they heard the Drought 3
the come up
07-31-07, 05:25 PM
U hom0 NAZ only moved 700k jimmy moved 400k on indy.....only 300k more on a major...NUKKA PLEASE NAS LOST.
The fact that Nas is only beating Jimmy by 300k speaks volumes to Jimmy's grind as promoting himself and getting his name out there as opposed to Nas who had a 10 year head start and a well established fanbase and relies solely on that. Time and time again Nas shows ZERO business sense. Jimmy will be signing Nas to a deal in the coming years. BAALLLLLLLLLLLIINNNNNNNNNNNN!!
NotoriousHNIC
07-31-07, 05:29 PM
U hom0 NAZ only moved 700k jimmy moved 400k on indy.....only 300k more on a major...NUKKA PLEASE NAS LOST.
LOL at this dude bragging about Jimmy movin 400K on a Indy.. N!gga Ice Cube is on a independent. He didnt have the airplay or radio play Ballin did.Jimmy had a allstar remix, The song was even used in the NFL and he STILL havent reached gold? But yet Ice Cube who rarely got any coverage with his singles pushed past gold. :laugh:
The fact that Nas is only beating Jimmy by 300k speaks volumes to Jimmy's grind as promoting himself and getting his name out there as opposed to Nas who had a 10 year head start and a well established fanbase and relies solely on that. Time and time again Nas shows ZERO business sense. Jimmy will be signing Nas to a deal in the coming years. BAALLLLLLLLLLLIINNNNNNNNNNNN!!
thats the stupidest thing ive ever read. the kind of grind jimmy does is the same these one hit wonders are doing. they make the mistake on relying on an image and gimick more than creating a long term fan base. thats the reason NaS has been ABLE to stick around for 10 years consistantly going platinum while other rappers only have a shelf life of 3-5 years.
FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNN
NotSoft
07-31-07, 05:49 PM
List is horrible Nas shouldnt be to mad..these mtv nikkas must not know whats hot in the streets at all...no Plies? Jeezy behind Game?whiteboyz made this list?Common anywhere near this sh1t.
the come up
07-31-07, 05:52 PM
thats the stupidest thing ive ever read. the kind of grind jimmy does is the same these one hit wonders are doing. they make the mistake on relying on an image and gimick more than creating a long term fan base. thats the reason NaS has been ABLE to stick around for 10 years consistantly going platinum while other rappers only have a shelf life of 3-5 years.
FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNN
Jimmy grind is different in that unlike the one hit wonders he's promoting himself and not a label. And what gimmick is Jim Jones working? The same Jim Jones that rap on Ghetto Advocate is the same guy rapping Dairy of a Summer is the same guy on POME, except a little more seasoned. Nas tried to make a crossover hit (Owe Me Something) and got criticized for it because it's was clearly selling out yet Jim sticks to his true persona with his crossover hit, now who's the one with the gimmick? Nas fans are still blinded by Illmatic thinking another one of those is still in him.
Jimmy grind is different in that unlike the one hit wonders he's promoting himself and not a label. And what gimmick is Jim Jones working? The same Jim Jones that rap on Ghetto Advocate is the same guy rapping Dairy of a Summer is the same guy on POME, except a little more seasoned. Nas tried to make a crossover hit (Owe Me Something) and got criticized for it because it's was clearly selling out yet Jim sticks to his true persona with his crossover hit, now who's the one with the gimmick? Nas fans are still blinded by Illmatic thinking another one of those is still in him.
we're talkin abot the same Jimmy who used to come out on VH1 shows right? that Jimmy? fukk outta here talkin about no gimmick. you dipstans are fukkin incredible. regardless, why did he only sell 300,000+ then? with one of the biggest singles of that year, with constant play on the radio, BET, hype on the net, why did he only move so little if his grind was so different?
Swagger
07-31-07, 06:03 PM
nas lost
the come up
07-31-07, 06:12 PM
we're talkin abot the same Jimmy who used to come out on VH1 shows right? that Jimmy? fukk outta here talkin about no gimmick. you dipstans are fukkin incredible.
Yeah, his being on VH1 is promoting himself. It's part of the reason why he is hot right now. He makes it easier for fans to relate since it's all entertainment anyway.
"BIGBRUHBRUH"
07-31-07, 06:13 PM
LOL at this list and n1ggas wonder why HIP HOP is DEAD!!!! These are the greats of today... What a joke..
kingofduval904
07-31-07, 06:24 PM
i only agree with him on the act that legends like common, jay, nas, and dre should've been left off this list
this list should've been about the up and coming artists not the established.. everbbody knows that jay can sell out any arena in minutes and that is the definition of "hot"
the come up
07-31-07, 06:36 PM
LOL at this list and n1ggas wonder why HIP HOP is DEAD!!!! These are the greats of today... What a joke..
Tracks like Nas's "Who killed it" is part of the reason why it's "dead". And how is todays era of hip hop rappers who rap about nothing any different from it's 1980's golden era of Sugar Hill Gang and Curtis Blow who rapped about nothing? Rap should be entertaining and for the most part it is now, but not because of Nas. Anyone rapping is a breath of fresh air compared to Nas's prophetic raps sh*tting on lifestyle that he's eating off of.
As far as why Jim Jones can't move units, hey it's hard to say. I have the song, most of my white and latino friends know him but why that doesn't translate to units I can't say. Although it's a downside on sales it's helps him in other areas like tours, autograph sessions things like that but you're right lobo, dude is not moving units like he should.
Yeah, his being on VH1 is promoting himself. It's part of the reason why he is hot right now. He makes it easier for fans to relate since it's all entertainment anyway.
do you even know what shows im talking about ? he looked MIGHTY different from how he looks now.
He makes it easier for fans to relate since it's all entertainment anyway.
see, and thats the difference. people get tired of the same old entertainment and thats why your able to say this....
Nas who had a 10 year head start and a well established fanbase
people who seek only entertainment without substance dont stick around and go to whatever's "hot" next. jimmy aint gonna be around for another 3 years junior.
now as far as the list, if its based on soley what's hot, whats "trendy", then most of the list is right and Jimmy SHOULD be on that list.
Tracks like Nas's "Who killed it" is part of the reason why it's "dead". And how is todays era of hip hop rappers who rap about nothing any different from it's 1980's golden era of Sugar Hill Gang and Curtis Blow who rapped about nothing?
see this is how i know that your not as knowledgeable about the game as you think you are. you might even be a highschooler. how are you going to compare artist who basically were the fore fathers of a genre to artist who GREW up listening to the genre? and Curtis blow rapped about nothing? are you serious?
serg2dag
07-31-07, 06:44 PM
Everybody knows what this list was based on and what the criteria was so NAS is right where he should be left off the list.
WAYNE=:king:
Puerto Rican Gary
07-31-07, 06:47 PM
The fact that Nas is only beating Jimmy by 300k speaks volumes to Jimmy's grind as promoting himself and getting his name out there as opposed to Nas who had a 10 year head start and a well established fanbase and relies solely on that. Time and time again Nas shows ZERO business sense. Jimmy will be signing Nas to a deal in the coming years. BAALLLLLLLLLLLIINNNNNNNNNNNN!!
Lil Jon is Indy, Death Row was Indy, Ying Yang is indy, No Limit was Indy, but guess what? They sold more that nigguhz on Majors.
hiphoperative100
07-31-07, 08:10 PM
Nas Lost!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Capo is that dude!:yes: :yes: :king:
Kingofkings
07-31-07, 08:12 PM
other than little kids who the fck would take MTV's opinion on hiphop....
mtv is one of the key elements that made hip hop what it was in the 90s.
And their lists are really nice, mtvs hip hop credibility >> all hip hop magazines (except the source in the 90s)
mtv is one of the key elements that made hip hop what it was in the 90s.
that was because MTV in those days was ran by ideological people. just like BET was in its inception. you know that dog.
Prince of Zamunda
07-31-07, 08:15 PM
nas lost again :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
thats cool and all but my question is still, why are people putting this much interest into a MTV list? its MTV people! why would you expect an accurate hiphop list from MTV? smh.
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