Reasonable Doubt is a Forced Classic!

[Stugotz94]

when it came out it was just a dope album but not considered classic at all

then big died

then jay-z kept sayin RD classic and forcing RD and the word classic in the same sentence

brainwashing the fickle minded hiphop geekboys like sohh losers into putting it to classic status

illmatic - nas never had to say a thing. let the music speak for itself and it's recognized as the best hiphop album EVER

jay lost, he can't do it musically

hahahah

[Street Novelist]

People said It Was Written was a disappointment....years later some say it's his best album.

You can't judge an album within 1 year only when it stands the test of time is it truly a classic.

Everybody makes mistakes a lot of classic albums didn't get that tag right away.

Main Source Breaking Atoms
Ice Cube Death Certificate
Dr. Dre The Chronic
Wu-Tang Enter 36 Chambers
Snoop Dogg Doggystyle
Biggie Ready To Die
Scarface The Diary
Raekwon Only Built For Cuban Linx
Mobb Deep The Infamous
2pac Me Against The World
Fugees The Score
Dr. Dre 2001

None these albums out right received the classic tag the day that they dropped.

[Stugotz94]

no one said IWW was a dissapointment but rap mags

when IWW came out everyone was playin that shhit on the reg

when RD came out people played it here and there and mostly only for the foxy collab

and yeah

nothin gets classic tag the day it drops, it's over time

RD didn't get it till jay started sayin it in every interveiw and article

[Cutchaup]

when RD came out people played it here and there and mostly only for the foxy collab



i agree its been overhyped over the years. but Dead Presidents was a big single. so was Cant Knock The Hustle.

[Cutchaup]

http://www.myspace.com/liottababy



:laugh:

[Stugotz94]

top me if you can but you can't and won't

[spike_serbian]

why the **** did you open this thread? you are talkin about certified classic from 10 years ago and you just came now to say that's not a classic and that jay lost? that makes you an idiot. and judging by your pictures you are just one fat cyber fella sitting all day by his comp eating ice scream...so, to sum up, rd is a classic and your mother is a hoe.

[mansell]

People said It Was Written was a disappointment....years later some say it's his best album.

You can't judge an album within 1 year only when it stands the test of time is it truly a classic.

Everybody makes mistakes a lot of classic albums didn't get that tag right away.

Main Source Breaking Atoms
Ice Cube Death Certificate
Dr. Dre The ChronicWu-Tang Enter 36 ChambersSnoop Dogg Doggystyle
Biggie Ready To Die
Scarface The Diary
Raekwon Only Built For Cuban Linx
Mobb Deep The Infamous
2pac Me Against The World
Fugees The Score
Dr. Dre 2001

None these albums out right received the classic tag the day that they dropped.

the bolded albums got classic play and respect when they dropped. They didnt get it by the source mag but by the people. Another thing is people weren't labeling things classic as much as we do today...

but again the bolded albums were highly praised and critically acclaimed the same time they dropped..

fukk it damn near all those albums got crazy reviews

[flapjacks]

the bolded albums got classic play and respect when they dropped. They didnt get it by the source mag but by the people. Another thing is people weren't labeling things classic as much as we did today...
but again the bolded albums were highly praised and critically acclaimed the same time they dropped..
fukk it damn near all those albums got crazy reviews

You're on point with ALL those albums you bolded. I don't know if the threadstarter wasn't around for The Chronic and maybe just read that it wasn't originally given 5-mics by the Source--but that doesn't count for anything, and no offense. I admit I didn't buy The Chronic in '92 but I grew up always hearing that album spoken of as one of the best. In fact I don't remember any even slight negative criticism of that album UNTIL that Source issue in '00 came out, basically reminding everyone that the Chronic wasn't an ORIGINAL 5-mic album. It seems like it was only AFTER that point that people made an issue of "oh well it can't be a classic because the lyricism weren't fantastic." Before that it didnt matter, and the people considered it a classic. I've seen and read interviews even with people like KRS and Kool Moe Dee talking about how in NY that album was popping off crazy and it was like nothing anyone had heard before.

[Cutchaup]

Another thing is people weren't labeling things classic as much as we did today...



c/s

and not to get off topic, but rap wasnt nearly as mainstream back then.

like Main Source had a couple well known singles off their album (especially 'looking at the front door') but it wasnt mainstream

same w/ Jay's 1st album. Dead Presidents was big when it came out early 96. but casual rap fans/the mtv audience probably didnt catch it.

[Mr. Martinellis]

when it came out it was just a dope album but not considered classic at all
then big died
then jay-z kept sayin RD classic and forcing RD and the word classic in the same sentence
brainwashing the fickle minded hiphop geekboys like sohh losers into putting it to classic status
illmatic - nas never had to say a thing. let the music speak for itself and it's recognized as the best hiphop album EVER
jay lost, he can't do it musically
hahahah
co sign X infinity

[Spike Lee]

How can a new album be considered CLASSIC anyway...

classic is a combination of quality and age

[J0ker_973]

lots of pple said 'it was written' was a disappointment.. i think it still is.. doos was waitin on 'i am' to see if it would be good after 'it was written'

[doeboy]

the bolded albums got classic play and respect when they dropped. They didnt get it by the source mag but by the people. Another thing is people weren't labeling things classic as much as we do today...
but again the bolded albums were highly praised and critically acclaimed the same time they dropped..
fukk it damn near all those albums got crazy reviewsrd got classic play and respect from a lot of ppl(including me and my circle) when it dropped. you cats need to stop tryna speak for everybody, speak for yaself and the ppl that you knew. i just dont understand why haters keep tryna deny rd its classic status, its a complete waste of time. the album is a classic regardless of how many times this same thread gets made over and over. the album tood the test of time and is recognized by the consensus as a superior hiphop album. period.

[Shammago]

:confused: Built for Cuban Linx was classic the very first day I bought and heard the record.

[Yoda3542]

when it came out it was just a dope album but not considered classic at all
then big died
then jay-z kept sayin RD classic and forcing RD and the word classic in the same sentence
brainwashing the fickle minded hiphop geekboys like sohh losers into putting it to classic status
illmatic - nas never had to say a thing. let the music speak for itself and it's recognized as the best hiphop album EVER
jay lost, he can't do it musically
hahahah

gayest post since that Philly Rider fa g

[Street Novelist]

the bolded albums got classic play and respect when they dropped. They didnt get it by the source mag but by the people. Another thing is people weren't labeling things classic as much as we do today...
but again the bolded albums were highly praised and critically acclaimed the same time they dropped..
fukk it damn near all those albums got crazy reviews


A lot of them got 4 or 4 1/2 mics...which are good reviews but not deemed instant classic.

[doeboy]

:confused: Built for Cuban Linx was classic the very first day I bought and heard the record.im confused as to how anybody can think that they can determine whether an album is classic or not the 1st day that they copped it. i would also say that if you were running around calling albums "classic" back in '95 then you were of the few, because as others have said the whole "classic" craze wasnt popping back then like it is now.

[Piffstopher Walken]

People said It Was Written was a disappointment....years later some say it's his best album.

You can't judge an album within 1 year only when it stands the test of time is it truly a classic.

Everybody makes mistakes a lot of classic albums didn't get that tag right away.

Main Source Breaking Atoms
Ice Cube Death Certificate -yes it did
Dr. Dre The Chronic - yes it did
Wu-Tang Enter 36 Chambers - yes it did
Snoop Dogg Doggystyle- yes it did
Biggie Ready To Die - yes it did
Scarface The Diary
Raekwon Only Built For Cuban Linx - yes it did
Mobb Deep The Infamous - yes it did
2pac Me Against The World - yes it did
Fugees The Score - yes it did
Dr. Dre 2001

None these albums out right received the classic tag the day that they dropped.
your smoked

[danja29]

Sorry bruh... wrong.

Niccas wasn't buyin' sh*t and then callin' it classic the next day. Even when the Source rated 'Illmatic' a classic, there were people who wrote in and didn't agree with that. I'm sure they feel different now, but that's the way it was- stuff wasn't becomin' "classic" overnight. And despite what people try to say, "Reasonable Doubt" did have an impact. It might not have been big with the radio/MTV crowd, but neither were A LOT of albums that people call classic today, 'Illmatic' bein' one of 'em. Anybody who was plugged in to hip-hop at the time knew about Jay-Z and about that album.

[Street Novelist]

your smoked


Everybody has different opinions but I never knew something was a classic the first time I heard it. I had to play it over and over again to fall in love with it enough to call it a classic.

[Piffstopher Walken]

A lot of them got 4 or 4 1/2 mics...which are good reviews but not deemed instant classic.
mics got nothing to do with sh*t
your basically admitting your going by what the MEDIA tells you

Go by what you think

And the majority of the scene back then, was not feeling Reasonable Doubt, its just that simple, why can't people just let it go, its like jay-z is mad it don't get the respect HE THINKS it deserves. So you get mad too, damn man, it just don't hold the same weight as The Chronic or Cuban Links, wtf

[Freekey Zeekey]

I wonder if people are gonna go back and label albums by TI, lil Wayne, Luda classic since they've been in the game for a while and have been successful

[Piffstopher Walken]

Everybody has different opinions but I never knew something was a classic the first time I heard it. I had to play it over and over again to fall in love with it enough to call it a classic.
lol well then open your ears man

Chronic
Only Built for Cuban Links
The Score

3 Albums that were musical masterpeices


I can only say R.D. to me, I'm speaking from my opinion, and those around me at the time, considered jay-z a johnny come-late mc hopping on the hustler/player bandwagon.

[mansell]

rd got classic play and respect from a lot of ppl(including me and my circle) when it dropped. you cats need to stop tryna speak for everybody, speak for yaself and the ppl that you knew. i just dont understand why haters keep tryna deny rd its classic status, its a complete waste of time. the album is a classic regardless of how many times this same thread gets made over and over. the album tood the test of time and is recognized by the consensus as a superior hiphop album. period.
I didnt get that same feeling when the album dropped man..

I felt like that album was really overlooked when it dropped. no one was really boosting it like cats on here want people to think.the albums sold poorly and got average/good reviews. as far as people bumping it alot go? naaaaah...

jay even said it on hardknock life "didnt really appreciate it until the second one came out"...

[gotti capone]

11 yrs later and Can I Live is still my fav song of all time.


RD is timeless. dont believe the hype.

[doeboy]

And the majority of the scene back then, was not feeling Reasonable Doubt, its just that simple, another insecure idiot who feel his own opinion isnt worth sh1t, so he has to try and speak for everybody else to make what he says seem valid.I didnt get that same feeling when the album dropped man..
I felt like that album was really overlooked when it dropped. no one was really boosting it like cats on here want people to think.the albums sold poorly and got average/good reviews. as far as people bumping it alot go? naaaaah...
jay even said it on hardknock life "didnt really appreciate it until the second one came out"...ok, you didnt get that same feeling when the album dropped, so what? i knew ppl who werent feeling illmatic among many other classic albums when they 1st dropped. and again, stop tryna spak for ppl other than yourself. you cant say that "no one was really boosting it like cats on here want ppl to think", because i and some ppl i knew was. to say that the album sold poorly(which is not even true, it went gold) as if that supports youre saying its not a classic is a joke. it went gold and moved twice as many units in its 1st year than illmatic did. like i said, youre hating and your agenda is obvious. its 1 thing to say that you dont like the album as much as certain other ppl, but to try and discredit its classic status based purely on hate is pathetic my man.

[Bangs McCoy]

these threads are gettin played out.

Just like u say RD is a forced CLASSIC, well these threads are forcing it to be just a good album

[MRc.]

I don't like jayz, but album is a classic - no other way about it

[Street Novelist]

I didnt get that same feeling when the album dropped man..
I felt like that album was really overlooked when it dropped. no one was really boosting it like cats on here want people to think.the albums sold poorly and got average/good reviews. as far as people bumping it alot go? naaaaah...
jay even said it on hardknock life "didnt really appreciate it until the second one came out"...


Reasonable Doubt gets it's props today and that's all that matters at the end of the day.

You gotta judge the music not how it was perceived by the public. By your standards Get Rich or Die Trying or most of Eminem albums could be considered classic.

[Monoblock]

this again?

[hiphop's savior]

quit letting ra[ mags tell you whats good and not good.

[grock2727]

this again?

and again, and again, and again...

the topic really bothers some people, one day hopefully they'll realize it's a hopeless cause and stop making idiotic threads like these.

[Yellosaurus]

http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=853064&highlight=stugotz

[Stugotz94]

listen up you broke sohh loser geekboys

i was buyin them cassettes back then and south side chicago never considered RD a classic when it was dropped and even 4 years after it dropped. IT WAS JUST CONSIDERED A GOOD ALBUM. that's it.

death certificate
IWW
Illmatic
chronic
doggystyle
cuban linx
resurrection
amerikka's most
36 chambers
Strictly 4 my nikkaz
both Biggie albums


all considered classics BY THE LISTENERS after 2 or 3 years

RD was considered a pretty good album

Jay-Z had to force his album into classic status by constantly saying it in interveiws

and he could only do it when BIG died cuz Biggie woulda checked him for rollin like that

he would constantly say it in interviews and force it into classic status

where the other artists didn't have to say shhit, they just let the music play

hahahha

jay lost, he's a biter and a lame

[J. Rush]

c/s thread starter

it was a great album but i dontthink its classic...maybe classic Jay-Z

[grock2727]

and again, and again, and again...
the topic really bothers some people, one day hopefully they'll realize it's a hopeless cause and stop making idiotic threads like these.

[Swagger]

rd = classic

[Premier]

I dont care if it was considered classic when it dropped. Point is, its a flawless album. In retrospect, sh!t was lost in the sea of bigger and more hyped projects. Dont mean it wasnt a classic album.

[Stugotz94]

LOL @ RD being a forced classic

at the time nikkaz was shakin thier heads like

hey you hear this RD jay-z album?

yeah it's aight

[kanethegreat]

another insecure idiot who feel his own opinion isnt worth sh1t, so he has to try and speak for everybody else to make what he says seem valid.ok, you didnt get that same feeling when the album dropped, so what? i knew ppl who werent feeling illmatic among many other classic albums when they 1st dropped. and again, stop tryna spak for ppl other than yourself. you cant say that "no one was really boosting it like cats on here want ppl to think", because i and some ppl i knew was. to say that the album sold poorly(which is not even true, it went gold) as if that supports youre saying its not a classic is a joke. it went gold and moved twice as many units in its 1st year than illmatic did. like i said, youre hating and your agenda is obvious. its 1 thing to say that you dont like the album as much as certain other ppl, but to try and discredit its classic status based purely on hate is pathetic my man.

*applauds*

The album doesn't have to be classic to you, and that's fine because it's your opinion, but to try to speak for everyone is silly. Reasonable has been my fav album ever since my cousin came through with the tape in 96

Classic Album

[Shammago]

im confused as to how anybody can think that they can determine whether an album is classic or not the 1st day that they copped it. i would also say that if you were running around calling albums "classic" back in '95 then you were of the few, because as others have said the whole "classic" craze wasnt popping back then like it is now.


for some reason back in the early to mid 90's there was mad albums that were of high quality..... u see when the radio played a single, that single was usually indictative of how the whole album would sound.

So, when hot 97 played the lead single of Built for Cuban link "Criminology",:ohmy: and then copped the album and u listened to the whole album once......u just knew it was goin to b classic. Your ears don't lie to u. Its either classic or not. The impact of that albums......man, its hard to explain.


Like when u heard Nation of Millions for the first time..... u can't tell me that u couldn't tell whether or not it would be classic.

Certain albums just have the effect.


But i will agree that u can't do that with albums today...because today most albums are of lower quality, hip hop wise.

yup.

[thoughtcriminology]

It's classic to me but I do think that Jay and magazines in recent years have tried to elevate it higher than it actually is.

[yseJ]

im confused as to how anybody can think that they can determine whether an album is classic or not the 1st day that they copped it. i would also say that if you were running around calling albums "classic" back in '95 then you were of the few, because as others have said the whole "classic" craze wasnt popping back then like it is now.
I know you're a Jay stan, but this post is on point like Steve Nash

RD= classic

[Stugotz94]

RD becomes classic 10 years after it comes out

LOL:laugh:

[RochesterSS]

jigga stans are straight up dodging the original post

DID JAY, OR DID JAY NOT TRY AND FORCE RD DOWN OUR THROATS AS A CLASSIC

[yseJ]

RD becomes classic 10 years after it comes out
LOL:laugh:
bach and beethoven's music also werent considered 'classic' right when it 'came out'
its longevity defined its status

[yseJ]

jigga stans are straight up dodging the original post
DID JAY, OR DID JAY NOT TRY AND FORCE RD DOWN OUR THROATS AS A CLASSIC
did a cd case of RD slash your balls in half or somethin ?
all posts ive seen you make is you shyttin on RD

[Ca$$ius Clay]

did a cd case of RD slash your balls in half or somethin ?all posts ive seen you make is you shyttin on RD

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[RochesterSS]

did a cd case of RD slash your balls in half or somethin ?
all posts ive seen you make is you shyttin on RD
dodging the question again

*remembers all the time Jay proclaimed his first album classic*

what part of the game is that?