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Logic86
03-07-07, 02:00 AM
CHICAGO - The low-carb, high-fat Atkins diet gets high marks in one of the biggest, longest head-to-head studies of popular weight-loss plans, beating the Zone, the Ornish diet and even U.S. guidelines. Even so, critics say the results show how hard it is to lose weight and keep it off.

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Overweight women on the Atkins plan lost more weight over a year than those on the low-carb Zone diet. And they had slightly better blood pressure and cholesterol readings than those on the Zone; the very low-fat, high-carb Ornish diet, and a low-fat, high-carb diet similar to U.S. government guidelines.

Stanford University researcher Christopher Gardner, the lead author, said the study shows that Atkins may be more healthful than critics contend.

But the study isn't a fair comparison because by the end, few women were following any of the diets very strictly, critics argue, although those in the Atkins group came the closest.

The study "had a good concept and incredibly pathetic execution," said Zone diet creator Barry Sears.

"It's a lot easier to follow a diet that tells you to eat bacon and brie than to eat predominantly fruits and vegetables," said Dr. Dean Ornish, creator of the Ornish diet.

Atkins followers lost about 10 pounds on average at 12 months, versus 3.5 pounds for the Zone dieters.

Women on the Ornish diet lost almost 5 pounds on average and those on the national guidelines plan lost almost 6 pounds. Scientifically, those 12-month results weren't different enough from the Atkins weight loss to rule out the possibility the differences occurred by chance.

The dieters lost the most weight early on, including an average of 13 pounds for the Atkins group at six months — nearly double the closest competitor, the national guidelines diet. After that, most began regaining weight, a trend most noticeable in the Atkins women.

With an average starting weight of about 189 pounds, even losing 13 pounds meant many women remained overweight.

"There's not a ton of weight loss here," Gardner acknowledged. Atkins "isn't the solution for the obesity problem," he said.

The study involved 311 women about 40 years old on average and was designed to measure the effectiveness of using a diet book to lose weight. Women were randomly assigned to read one of four diet books. They attended weekly classes for eight weeks where diet questions were addressed, but then were mostly on their own for the next 10 months.

At the end, Atkins women had slightly higher levels of HDL cholesterol, the good kind, and slightly lower blood pressure than those on the other three diets. Gardner said differences in weight loss likely contributed to those results.

Ornish and other naysayers argued that the study doesn't answer a big question about the Atkins diet — whether consistently eating all that fatty food long-term leads to health problems.

The study appears in Wednesday's Journal of the American Medical Association.

The authors said it's uncertain whether the results would apply to men or older women since none were studied.

The study "shows that nothing works very well," said Yale University food policy researcher Kelly Brownell. His book promoting diet and lifestyle changes similar to national guidelines was used in the study.

"To me, it just screams out for the need to prevent obesity," Brownell said.

The results echo a Harvard study published last year involving thousands of women, which also suggested that a low-carb high-fat diet might be more heart-healthy than previously thought, although it relied on women's memories of what they had eaten over two decades.

Also, those who ate fat and carbs from vegetables rather than animal sources had lower heart disease risks in the Harvard study.

Dr. David Katz of the Yale Prevention Research Center and author of several weight control books, said the new study presents little new information and called it "much ado about nothing."

Nurse Jackie Eberstein, whose consulting company promotes the Atkins diet, said the results are not surprising. Protein makes people feel less hungry and fat helps them feel more full, which makes weight loss easier on Atkins, she said.

Study participant Viola Manges, who does administrative work at Stanford, was assigned to the Atkins group.

Manges, 41, said the diet taught her to make healthier food choices, like eating steamed vegetables instead of mashed potatoes, even if she didn't always follow it strictly.

"I realized I had a bunch of willpower I didn't even know I had," Manges said.

Manges lost roughly 23 pounds, slimming down to a size 6 by the study's end about a year ago. She has regained about 10 to 15 pounds, but said she still tries to follow some of the Atkins recommendations.

The study was funded by grants from the National Institutes of Health and from the Community Foundation of Southeastern Michigan.

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DC
03-07-07, 04:19 AM
Eating nothing will also make you loose weight faster.

Atkins is about as healthy as licking the road, to be honest I like to see people on it. I find it funny when they hurt themselves with ignorance.

Diggy_Dat_Niggy
03-07-07, 11:34 PM
Eating nothing will also make you loose weight faster.

Atkins is about as healthy as licking the road, to be honest I like to see people on it. I find it funny when they hurt themselves with ignorance.
:dry:

If I eat a chicken breast with a few tablespoons of flaxseed oil to meet the guidelines, you telling me licking a dirty ass street is better:laugh:

DC
03-08-07, 05:59 AM
:dry:
If I eat a chicken breast with a few tablespoons of flaxseed oil to meet the guidelines, you telling me licking a dirty ass street is better:laugh:

Follow the ATKINS diet and yes, licking the floor is better for you.

badbadgirl
03-08-07, 09:44 AM
what is wrong with that diet?

DC
03-08-07, 09:48 AM
what is wrong with that diet?

Really, if you have to ask. . . .

A varied and balanced diet & exercise is the only good diet for the body.

Atkins sheds weight. . . . but that doesn't = healthy.

Fendi_Mane
03-08-07, 10:35 AM
This diet is not unhealthy it just makes you feel like shyt the whole time you are on it. If you can kinda stick with healthy fats, I can't see anything bad happening. I did CKD for 6 months and I looked alot better, my skin was clearer, my body fat was low, and my sex drive was nuts (pun intended).

DC
03-08-07, 10:41 AM
This diet is not unhealthy

Yes, yes it is.

Shaolin Temple
03-08-07, 08:29 PM
Atkins diet is :thumbsdow

Big H
03-09-07, 02:47 PM
Atkins is made for inactive people and older folks. I would not recommend an active person or lifter for that matter go on Atkins. It does work, but once again you gotta look at it from the perspective of the actual person.

What lifters and bodybuilders use instead is a tailored version called Keto or CKD as mentioned above... much more effective and made for the active person. Keto has been around for years but never gained ground in the mainstream simply because its harder to follow and is not made for the average suburbanite mother and father trying to lose 10 pounds.

makavalli
03-10-07, 05:40 PM
Atkins is made for inactive people and older folks. I would not recommend an active person or lifter for that matter go on Atkins. It does work, but once again you gotta look at it from the perspective of the actual person.

What lifters and bodybuilders use instead is a tailored version called Keto or CKD as mentioned above... much more effective and made for the active person. Keto has been around for years but never gained ground in the mainstream simply because its harder to follow and is not made for the average suburbanite mother and father trying to lose 10 pounds.


can i get a rundown on the keto diet big h?

7:30femmefatale
03-10-07, 06:05 PM
Atkins is made for inactive people and older folks. I would not recommend an active person or lifter for that matter go on Atkins. It does work, but once again you gotta look at it from the perspective of the actual person.

What lifters and bodybuilders use instead is a tailored version called Keto or CKD as mentioned above... much more effective and made for the active person. Keto has been around for years but never gained ground in the mainstream simply because its harder to follow and is not made for the average suburbanite mother and father trying to lose 10 pounds.
i have a question. do you (or anyone else in here) know about some diet that, to my understanding, is pretty much like atkins 5 days a week, and then 2 days of very high carbs? i don't know if this is more for weightlifting or bodybuilders, but a friend of mine (male) who does low-carb (not atkins, just low carb) and struggles with resisting breads, etc.. was talking about trying this diet because he saw it as being ideal for him.

i don't know that name of anything else about it, i only know that it's supposed to be 5 days of no or low carb, followed by like 2 days of high carb and probably high/low something else too.

7:30femmefatale
03-10-07, 06:07 PM
oh, and everyone that i've ever know who did the atkins diet either caved and went back to carbs + fat + calories and returned to their same size plus some, or they just lost a lot of weight but LOOKED really bad.. sallow and sickly. perhaps that has more to do with the rapidness of the weight loss than anything, but honestly they never seemed bright and sparkling.. they seemed like their whole spirits were dull.. i know that sounds dramatic and stupid but i'm serious.. lol

Big H
03-10-07, 06:49 PM
i have a question. do you (or anyone else in here) know about some diet that, to my understanding, is pretty much like atkins 5 days a week, and then 2 days of very high carbs? i don't know if this is more for weightlifting or bodybuilders, but a friend of mine (male) who does low-carb (not atkins, just low carb) and struggles with resisting breads, etc.. was talking about trying this diet because he saw it as being ideal for him.
i don't know that name of anything else about it, i only know that it's supposed to be 5 days of no or low carb, followed by like 2 days of high carb and probably high/low something else too.

Thats basically Keto or CKD. You do phases of low-carb and high-card days to manipulate your body's Glycogen levels.

The basic concept consists of going low-carb from Sunday to Friday evening, while exercising regularly. During this phase your body will turn to using Glycogen for fuel as it normally does, but after a day or two your body will enter Ketosis in which your body releases Ketones to facilitate the conversion of fat to energy. In essence your tricking your body into using its Fat stores as energy as opposed to carbs. The catch here, is that in order to maintain this fat burning effect you MUST EAT MORE FAT. Yes I know its a hard concept to grasp but this is just a basic rundown of what it is.

Run a Google search on Keto and you will be flooded with articles and research backing its effectiveness. You'll also find more specific details about it.

Now this is where the Carb-up days come into play. On Fridays you will do a full-body workout which consists of mainly compound exercises like bench, squat, deadlift, etc. but you won't be doing TOO much. Just enough to drain your body of any remaining Glycogen.

From Friday evening until Saturday night you will be consuming foods that are high in Carbs and Protein, but low in Fat. So its like the complete opposite of what you were doing from Sunday to Friday.

You'll eat a large amount of carbs Friday evening and all day Saturday, but not too much. Remember during all of this you're still on a calorie deficit regardless of what you do. Going into Ketosis simply speeds up the fat loss process ten-fold. So remember to stay within your calorie limit for the day. Its crucial to keep Fat intake very low during the Carb-up. Your body will be so busy assimilating all the carbs and putting it into its Glycogen stores that it will also swallow up whatever fat your consuming as well and store it back.

The purpose of the carb-up is what separates it from Atkins or South Beach for that matter. The carb-up will be beneficial in providing enough fuel for the weeks upcoming workouts so you won't be dragging ass and feeling like sh*t. But thats the beauty of it. The carbs you consume during the weekend are stored as Glycogen and ONLY GLYCOGEN; NONE OF IT IS STORED AS FAT!

Add this with the already existing calorie deficit and you'll see the fat fly off your body in record time. No other diet has been proven to reduce ONLY BODY FAT while maintaining Muscle mass and Strength this well.

Big H
03-10-07, 06:53 PM
oh, and everyone that i've ever know who did the atkins diet either caved and went back to carbs + fat + calories and returned to their same size plus some, or they just lost a lot of weight but LOOKED really bad.. sallow and sickly.


And that brings me to my other point; the combinations people use in their diets is crucial.

As I've stated in the past....

Fat+Protein = Good
Carbs+Protein = Good
Fat+Carbs+Protein = Terrible (leads to the greatest amount of fat storage)

Its all about the macro nutrients that we mix and how often we mix them.

Stephano DiMera
03-11-07, 07:14 AM
Man, all that sh*t is too complicated. Here is what you do: cut down on processed foods and eat more fresh things. See? That isn't so hard.

7:30femmefatale
03-11-07, 10:00 AM
big H, thanks a lot for all of that info. would i be wrong to assess that keto/CKT is moreso a lifter/builder's diet than just the average joe who wants to burn body fat and drop pounds? that's how it sounds to me.. correct me if i'm wrong.

it also sounds like the kind of carbs you're allowed to eat and supposed to eat are not the ones that most people CRAVE when they're doing atkins/low carb diets anyway.. so the whole "eat low carb and then binge on a weekend of carbs" idea isn't really as ideal as it sounds.. the person who presented the info to me was clearly not understanding that.

i agree with the poster before me, it sounds a lil too touchy & complicated.

Big H
03-11-07, 04:40 PM
Well like I said its not easy which is why its not as popular among the masses. And yes it is intended for Athletes/lifters/bodybuilders. The whole idea is that your lifting weights during Keto to maintain and possibly build even more muscle. Its not something to be taken lightly, which is why Atkins suits the less active and less dedicated people.

But even if you were to think about it... it really isn't that hard to understand. After the first two weeks you'd be adjusted to the routine and eating habits. Pharmacies even sell things called Keto Sticks which help you determine whether or not your in Ketosis.

The whole deal about binging on carbs is false. Like I said you wouldn't be eating a huge amount of carbs because your still following a calorie deficit. 200g-300g of carbs is feasible and easily attainable from Friday to Saturday. Remember the whole idea is to replenish your Glycogen levels, not overfill the tank and let it overflow into Adipose tissue.

Silva
03-11-07, 08:58 PM
"Atkins followers lost about 10 pounds on average at 12 months"

Am I reading that right? It took em a year to lose 10 pounds? Dog I lost 12 pounds in like 8 weeks