Congratulations 50....

[N0 Thanks]

Hate him or Love'em dude did exactly what he set out to do... Promote 50 Cent....


16 threads on page 1 of The Spot mention 50 and Cam.

[bookert]

http://rapidshare.com/files/15618091/50CENTFUNERALMUSICCAMRONDISS.wmv

[N0 Thanks]

^ you work for g-unit? :confused:

[bookert]

^ you work for g-unit? :confused:
no, why do you ask?

[DJ TEKNIK]

He is the king of promo..

[westkoast2k2]

Hate him or Love'em dude did exactly what he set out to do... Promote 50 Cent....


16 threads on page 1 of The Spot mention 50 and Cam.

Doesnt mean much though because there was 16 threads on page 1 of The Spot when the Tru Life **** popped off.

I don't think this is gonna benefit 50 all that much other then making him look more 'street' then he has in the past 2 years.

If anything this is great promotion for the diplomats. You are on an independent and the biggest selling name in hip hop wants to go back and forth with the media hanging on everything? Best promotion they've got in along time.

[Tallac]

Doesnt mean much though because there was 16 threads on page 1 of The Spot when the Tru Life **** popped off.
I don't think this is gonna benefit 50 all that much other then making him look more 'street' then he has in the past 2 years.
If anything this is great promotion for the diplomats. You are on an independent and the biggest selling name in hip hop wants to go back and forth with the media hanging on everything? Best promotion they've got in along time.

Real Talk!!

I think 50 takes this beef too personal

[AintNoneHigher]

Doesnt mean much though because there was 16 threads on page 1 of The Spot when the Tru Life **** popped off.
I don't think this is gonna benefit 50 all that much other then making him look more 'street' then he has in the past 2 years.
If anything this is great promotion for the diplomats. You are on an independent and the biggest selling name in hip hop wants to go back and forth with the media hanging on everything? Best promotion they've got in along time.

How exactly is this great promotion for Dipset? They don't sell no matter who they're beefing with at the moment...the point of promotion is not just to be seen and talked about on the internet, but to actually make $$$. This won't help them.

[westkoast2k2]

How exactly is this great promotion for Dipset? They don't sell no matter who they're beefing with at the moment...the point of promotion is not just to be seen and talked about on the internet, but to actually make $$$. This won't help them.

The point of promotion is to be seen and talked about so people are interested enough in you to grab your CD or DVD when they see it.

People are talking about this off the Internet. A friend of mine txt me this morning from the Bay Area asking if I heard about the beef. NY is talking about it. I am sure people in LA are going to be talking about it this weekend.

Everyone knows 50 cent but not everyone knows Camron. If the media covers anything 50 does then they are going to mention Camron. How does it not help him?

[Apey]

Doesnt mean much though because there was 16 threads on page 1 of The Spot when the Tru Life **** popped off.
I don't think this is gonna benefit 50 all that much other then making him look more 'street' then he has in the past 2 years.
If anything this is great promotion for the diplomats. You are on an independent and the biggest selling name in hip hop wants to go back and forth with the media hanging on everything? Best promotion they've got in along time.

True....but when "Piggy Bank" came out, did The Lox and Fat Joes sales suddenly go through the roof? I don't think it really helped them at all.

As you say, all of the G-Unit fans in the burbs will eat this all up - mission accomplished.

[THA ILL 1]

True....but when "Piggy Bank" came out, did The Lox and Fat Joes sales suddenly go through the roof? I don't think it really helped them at all.
As you say, all of the G-Unit fans in the burbs will eat this all up - mission accomplished.



^hit it right on the nail

[AintNoneHigher]

The point of promotion is to be seen and talked about so people are interested enough in you to grab your CD or DVD when they see it.

People are talking about this off the Internet. A friend of mine txt me this morning from the Bay Area asking if I heard about the beef. NY is talking about it. I am sure people in LA are going to be talking about it this weekend.

Everyone knows 50 cent but not everyone knows Camron. If the media covers anything 50 does then they are going to mention Camron. How does it not help him?


I said it is not "JUST" to be seen and talked about. Now that's a damn shame that everyone would know 50, but not Cam. Cam been in the game way longer than 50 and with his recent publicity stunts from beefing to getting shot, I don't see how you wouldn't know about him. If you never heard of Cam'ron, you been living deep under a rock for nearly a decade....in my opinion. It doesn't help him because he will still have that small fanbase that buy his little records when they drop, but the majority of people will leave that s.hit on the shelf. Even if he drops an album soon with 50 diss tracks on there, most people will just download it. People will buy Jimmys albums before Cam as of today, but Jim Jim has no beef with 50.

[westkoast2k2]

True....but when "Piggy Bank" came out, did The Lox and Fat Joes sales suddenly go through the roof? I don't think it really helped them at all.
As you say, all of the G-Unit fans in the burbs will eat this all up - mission accomplished.

That wasn't a war though. 50 and Cam will be going back and forth for a while. He dissed them on piggy bank, then on one mixtape track. With Cam they were on the radio arguing then he ran home to shoot a music video. Cam got under 50s skin and that is why he was so quick to respond. Did people talk about Jada and Fat Joe more? They did. The other thing people are failing to realize is promotion is coming out of pocket for Cam while he is on Koch. This is promotion he doesn't have to pay for.

Aintnonehigher, hip hop heads know Cam. My mother doesnt. She knows 50 tho. My cousins don't know Cam but they know 50. The average person doesn't know who Camron is. They don't know about him getting shot in his lambo. If Cam gets 50 then he is going to get more support. The number of people tired with g-unit are growing.

[AintNoneHigher]

Aintnonehigher, hip hop heads know Cam. My mother doesnt. She knows 50 tho. My cousins don't know Cam but they know 50. The average person doesn't know who Camron is. They don't know about him getting shot in his lambo. If Cam gets 50 then he is going to get more support. The number of people tired with g-unit are growing.

But your mother won't be going out to cop a Cam'ron record (or will she?)....so that doesn't help him at all.

The people that don't know Cam will not be the ones going to buy his music. Download maybe...that's about it. The number of people tired of Dipset is growing even more also.

[Just BlackAf]

I always wondered who SOHH hated more between G-Unit and Dipset and its pretty obvious now that its the Dips...

[Just BlackAf]

I always wondered who SOHH hated more between G-Unit and Dipset and its pretty obvious now that its the Dips...

[Apey]

That wasn't a war though. 50 and Cam will be going back and forth for a while. He dissed them on piggy bank, then on one mixtape track. With Cam they were on the radio arguing then he ran home to shoot a music video. Cam got under 50s skin and that is why he was so quick to respond.

I know that a lot of people are saying that 50 is mad and the Cam got under his skin and so on, but I don't know how true that is. We all know that 50 knows how to use beef to sell records. I see this as being purely a publicity/business thing. Hey, he has an album coming out soon, right? He doesn't seem mad to me - sounds like he's having fun with it.

And on that note, I've never been a fan of 50 and I think he's been a force for bad things in Hip Hop, but I'm going to hold back on the "The number of people tired with g-unit are growing" talk until 50's next album comes out. If it flops (and I mean REALLY flops, not SOHH "He only sold 4 million" flops) then I'll be glad to see him get his comeuppence. But if it does big numbers, all of this "50 lost" talk will look pretty stupid. After all, we all know that sales are all that matters with these guys.

Time will tell....

[AintNoneHigher]

I know that a lot of people are saying that 50 is mad and the Cam got under his skin and so on, but I don't know how true that is. We all know that 50 knows how to use beef to sell records. I see this as being purely a publicity/business thing. Hey, he has an album coming out soon, right? He doesn't seem mad to me - sounds like he's having fun with it.

And on that note, I've never been a fan of 50 and I think he's been a force for bad things in Hip Hop, but I'm going to hold back on the "The number of people tired with g-unit are growing" talk until 50's next album comes out. If it flops (and I mean REALLY flops, not SOHH "He only sold 4 million" flops) then I'll be glad to see him get his comeuppence. But if it does big numbers, all of this "50 lost" talk will look pretty stupid. After all, we all know that sales are all that matters with these guys.

Time will tell....


I gotta disagree on one thing. I think 50 didn't appreciate Cam talking to him like that on live radio....so Cam did get under his skin. I think he's having fun with it "now" but I think he felt disrespected like Cam was trying to start something at first. And 50 got under Cams skin too, hence the reason Cam addressed the "graveyard" comment. But he does have an album dropping soon so that's another reason.

[THA ILL 1]

That wasn't a war though. 50 and Cam will be going back and forth for a while. He dissed them on piggy bank, then on one mixtape track. With Cam they were on the radio arguing then he ran home to shoot a music video. Cam got under 50s skin and that is why he was so quick to respond. Did people talk about Jada and Fat Joe more? They did. The other thing people are failing to realize is promotion is coming out of pocket for Cam while he is on Koch. This is promotion he doesn't have to pay for.

Aintnonehigher, hip hop heads know Cam. My mother doesnt. She knows 50 tho. My cousins don't know Cam but they know 50. The average person doesn't know who Camron is. They don't know about him getting shot in his lambo. If Cam gets 50 then he is going to get more support. The number of people tired with g-unit are growing.


you just killed your own arguement there fella.


for starters, the lox were back and forthing with 50 for a minute. there was piggybank, followed by kiss's response, followed by 50's i run new york, followed by a couple of kiss and style p disses, followed by 50 dissin them in the chorus of the window shopper remix, and so forth.


and you basically summed it up. the average person doesn't know cam'ron but knows 50, yet in the same breathe doesn't know(or care) about 50's beef(outside of ja rule). cam could drop the hottest response to 50 and not many people outside of the hip hop community are gonna care. as much as i dislike them both camron cannot stop 50's money, which comes in the form of women and the burbs. but 50 DOES have the power to stop cam's. y'all keep forgetting the machine that backs 50(jimmy iovine, dre, em) is the most powerful in the music industry right now. cam has the block, but in a war against a industry dude like 50 that just isn't gonna to cut it. just ask the lox.


remember canibus vs ll? bis murdered l, but l had def jam backing him. bis was a industry nobody. ll had everyone believing he had won the battle just off the strength of responding to homie, and ultimately had him backlisted cuz he had a bigger trump card. thats how beefs of this magnitude work.


you think dre and em, both of whom have money invested in 50 are going to sit idle if cam and the dips come at homie? you saw how they all ganged up on rule, what makes you think this battle here will be any different?

[Apey]

I gotta disagree on one thing. I think 50 didn't appreciate Cam talking to him like that on live radio....so Cam did get under his skin. I think he's having fun with it "now" but I think he felt disrespected like Cam was trying to start something at first. And 50 got under Cams skin too, hence the reason Cam addressed the "graveyard" comment. But he does have an album dropping soon so that's another reason.

Thats true, 50 did seem annoyed, but he also managed to sound pretty level-headed about it, instead of just yelling like Cam. I hope Cam's response is some cold-blooded, adult shyt, because he kind of seems like a little kid in this thing at the moment (I mean, saying "cccuuurrrrttttiiiis" in a funny voice is funny, but it's not exactly going to win any real battles.) Cam needs to stop playing the clown and come with some real shyt.

[westkoast2k2]

you just killed your own arguement there fella.
for starters, the lox were back and forthing with 50 for a minute. there was piggybank, followed by kiss's response, followed by 50's i run new york, followed by a couple of kiss and style p disses, followed by 50 dissin them in the chorus of the window shopper remix, and so forth.

The lox were back and forthing themselves. 50 replied twice. While they sent a bunch of disses via mixtapes. 50 didn't shoot a video for them nor did they argue live on HOT97 and on a DVD.

The window shopper remix, are you fareal? No one heard that including myself and I follow quite a bit of hip hop from the eastcoast.

the average person doesn't know cam'ron but knows 50, yet in the same breathe doesn't know(or care) about 50's beef(outside of ja rule). Plenty of people cared about the Game/50 beef. It was one of the most publicized since Jay and Nas. One would even say it was even bigger then that cuz I don't remember Jay on Howard Stern crying about Nas. Nor did they stage a press conference or anything like those two did.

cam could drop the hottest response to 50 and not many people outside of the hip hop community are gonna care. as much as i dislike them both camron cannot stop 50's money, which comes in the form of women and the burbs. but 50 DOES have the power to stop cam's.

If 50 does not destroy Cam, it makes him look weak. G-Unit getting handled by Game dented their image.

No 50 does not have the power to stop Cam's. The people who support Cam support him regardless and 50 is not going to change that. Those 300k people who buy his albums are dedicated fans.


y'all keep forgetting the machine that backs 50(jimmy iovine, dre, em) is the most powerful in the music industry right now. cam has the block, but in a war against a industry dude like 50 that just isn't gonna to cut it. just ask the lox.

He hurt the LOX because of their ties to interscope.

50 isnt making this an industry battle, he wants to pretend to be street. Did you watch the video? Hes saying hes heavy in the street and flashing burners. He is not talking about Jimmy Iovine or the machine.

remember canibus vs ll? bis murdered l, but l had def jam backing him. bis was a industry nobody. ll had everyone believing he had won the battle just off the strength of responding to homie

No...no one thought he won. I dont remember anyone who thought LL won. The reason why Canibus got ****ed is actually because of his falling out with Wyclef who was in charge of his project as Canibus was hs protege.

ultimately had him backlisted cuz he had a bigger trump card. thats how beefs of this magnitude work.
you think dre and em, both of whom have money invested in 50 are going to sit idle if cam and the dips come at homie? you saw how they all ganged up on rule, what makes you think this battle here will be any different?

Wrong again, he never had him blacklisted.

Dre sat idle with Game going at 50 and they dented his image. Em is not coming to the aid of him, he doesn't need to.

They ganged up on Rule because Rule called them out. Em and Dre didn't gang up on Game. They ignored him. Jimmy moved him.

Please explain to me how I killed my own argument. Cam pays for his own promotion out of pocket and this is all free. He doesn't lose here. If Cam is a nobody like the g-stan unit is saying, then the biggest name in hip hop going at him can't hurt.

[THA ILL 1]

The lox were back and forthing themselves. 50 replied twice. While they sent a bunch of disses via mixtapes. 50 didn't shoot a video for them nor did they argue live on HOT97 and on a DVD.
The window shopper remix, are you fareal? No one heard that including myself and I follow quite a bit of hip hop from the eastcoast.



"kiss yousa window shooooooppppper" "styles a window shooooppppeerr". your partly right though, 50 responded to them as little as possible, but what he did to them in the end completely overshadows anything he coulda said to them on wax. 50 stopped them from gettin money. just listen to how humbled styles sounded when he called in to talk to 50. even HE had to give the man his respect for that one there.



Plenty of people cared about the Game/50 beef. It was one of the most publicized since Jay and Nas. One would even say it was even bigger then that cuz I don't remember Jay on Howard Stern crying about Nas. Nor did they stage a press conference or anything like those two did.
If 50 does not destroy Cam, it makes him look weak. G-Unit getting handled by Game dented their image.

okay, i'll give you that, 50 and the game also had a well publicized beef, and to a certain extent game did put some dents in the g-unit armor, but he also ethered himself. which means they both lost.


the game got him with the first diss(300 bars) and shoulda kept it moving. instead he ended up dropping subsequent disses, dvd's, etc, in hopes to expose 50......instead he got himself dropped from his own label. and if i recall, didn't the game make a track pratically crying to dre for getting dropped? exactly.


No 50 does not have the power to stop Cam's. The people who support Cam support him regardless and 50 is not going to change that. Those 300k people who buy his albums are dedicated fans.

woooooow @ you for thinkin 300k after many months is a respectable number. i'm sure your gonna say that banks and mobb deep did those very same numbers, but the difference is cam wasn't on the low end of his career when he dropped his sh!t and already had a steady track record of going at least gold for each release. how did he go from gold, to platinum, to barely cracking 391,00 after 9 months!



He hurt the LOX because of their ties to interscope.
50 isnt making this an industry battle, he wants to pretend to be street. Did you watch the video? Hes saying hes heavy in the street and flashing burners. He is not talking about Jimmy Iovine or the machine.


i guess you've NEVER heard fif on the radio talkin about how he can stop people's projects from coming out and such. noooooo, 50 doesn't do that kinda thing, not at all. :rolleyes:


you wanna know how a corporate machine works in order to protect an artist it considers a major asset? they fukk the other artist behind their back. for example, a label like interscope can pay a radio station NOT play dipset records if they really wanted to. they can force tv stations from playing videos from certain artists by not sending sed stations videos from their own catalouge of acts. so yeah, 50 is making makeshift videos flashin guns n all that, trying his best to look as unindustry as possible, but we all know what 50 and interscope really do behind the scenes. just ask rule, and fat joe.



No...no one thought he won. I dont remember anyone who thought LL won. The reason why Canibus got ****ed is actually because of his falling out with Wyclef who was in charge of his project as Canibus was hs protege.

Wrong again, he never had him blacklisted.


goddamn your a delusional mothafukka. bis HIMSELF admitted that ll blacklisted him and had the public declare him the loser of the battle on the track bis vs rip. on the beef 2 dvd they pointed out how ll used the def jam machine to sway magazines and radio into making the public believe he had won just off the strength of responding to bis. bis didn't help matters much by dropping a brick for a debut either.



Dre sat idle with Game going at 50 and they dented his image. Em is not coming to the aid of him, he doesn't need to.
They ganged up on Rule because Rule called them out. Em and Dre didn't gang up on Game. They ignored him. Jimmy moved him.


oh really? so you musta missed the part where they DROPPED him from aftermath, along with the fact that dre didn't have a single track on TDA just as 50 said he wouldn't. em followed suit with dre and stopped working with the game as well. and who's fault was that again? the game's. all he had to do was stay quiet and stack his chips, but instead but he let his pride get the best of him and he ended up paying for it in the end.


thats how dre and em showed their loyalty to 50. they coulda easily have played it neutral. instead they ultimately turned their backs on game.



Please explain to me how I killed my own argument. Cam pays for his own promotion out of pocket and this is all free. He doesn't lose here. If Cam is a nobody like the g-stan unit is saying, then the biggest name in hip hop going at him can't hurt.
this is where you killed your arguement

Aintnonehigher, hip hop heads know Cam. My mother doesnt. She knows 50 tho. My cousins don't know Cam but they know 50. The average person doesn't know who Camron is. They don't know about him getting shot in his lambo. If Cam gets 50 then he is going to get more support. The number of people tired with g-unit are growing.

right now more people dislike cam than they do 50. it wouldn't even suprise me if jay and nas alligned themselves with 50 for awhile just to shut cam and the dips down.

[westkoast2k2]

"kiss yousa window shooooooppppper" "styles a window shooooppppeerr". your partly right though, 50 responded to them as little as possible, but what he did to them in the end completely overshadows anything he coulda said to them on wax. 50 stopped them from gettin money. just listen to how humbled styles sounded when he called in to talk to 50.

He stopped Styles from putting an album out, true. As far as stopping them from getting money, not true.



okay, i'll give you that, 50 and the game also had a well publicized beef, and to a certain extent game did put some dents in the g-unit armor, but he also ethered himself. which means they both lost.
the game got him with the first diss(300 bars) and shoulda kept it moving. instead he ended up dropping subsequent disses, dvd's, etc, in hopes to expose 50......instead he got himself dropped from his own label. and if i recall, didn't the game make a track pratically crying to dre for getting dropped? exactly.

None of this is relevant and only proving to me that you ride with the unit like that so you cannot be all that objective. It isnt about what Game did afterwards, he dented G-Unit and made them look like they were touchable. Before Game they looked like they couldn't be touched.

This is the same reason why people believe Cam could get 50, if Game was able to do it then why couldn't Cam? If Game never got at them...then I dont think we would be having this debate as far as Cam having a chance.


woooooow @ you for thinkin 300k after many months is a respectable number. i'm sure your gonna say that banks and mobb deep did those very same numbers,

One is on Koch, one is on the most powerfull machine in the game co-signed by the biggest selling artist in the game. It is like comparing night and day.

300k is respectable if you are making 4x as much per album as anyone else (not even saying 7 bucks, 4x as much as most rappers is only like 2 bucks per album) It isnt about the sales as much as it is the money right?



but the difference is cam wasn't on the low end of his career when he dropped his sh!t and already had a steady track record of going at least gold for each release. how did he go from gold, to platinum, to barely cracking 391,00 after 9 months!

So Banks is on the low end of his career after one record? :laugh:

Maybe because all the other albums were on a major? Plus his last album had the lead single blackballed. You dont think that matters? You know what is funny he did 391k on Koch and made more money then he did on Roc-a-fella going platnium.

i guess you've NEVER heard fif on the radio talkin about how he can stop people's projects from coming out and such. noooooo, 50 doesn't do that kinda thing, not at all. :rolleyes:

He stopped one project, styles P because he was on interscope. Only reason he blocked game from being on albums is because Game WAS signed to him then. When it comes to outside of Interscope, he doesn't have pull like that. He can't go cry to the jew about it.


you wanna know how a corporate machine works in order to protect an artist it considers a major asset? they fukk the other artist behind their back. for example, a label like interscope can pay a radio station NOT play dipset records if they really wanted to.

No. Stop pretending like you are going to kick knowledge about how the corporate machine works then say some bull**** like that. If that was the case then they would have done it to Game.


they can force tv stations from playing videos from certain artists by not sending sed stations videos from their own catalouge of acts.

They could do that...but the question is, is that going to hurt the artist more then BET? Cuz they can't pull that with MTV.

so yeah, 50 is making makeshift videos flashin guns n all that, trying his best to look as unindustry as possible, but we all know what 50 and interscope really do behind the scenes. just ask rule, and fat joe.

Ask Rule what? Why his dumb singing ass made everyone tired of him and 50 was able to jab a dizzy boxer? Fat Joe, he didnt do **** to him, not a damn thing. Why dont you enlighten us with all this inside information.

goddamn your a delusional mothafukka. bis HIMSELF admitted that ll blacklisted him and had the public declare him the loser of the battle on the track bis vs rip. on the beef 2 dvd they pointed out how ll used the def jam machine to sway magazines and radio into making the public believe he had won just off the strength of responding to bis. bis didn't help matters much by dropping a brick for a debut either.

Bis didn't admit it...what he said was he thought so. He also said Wyclef blacklisted him but you want to ignore that but include something he THOUGHT?

And on Beef 2 they didnt point out how the public's opinion swayed....because it didnt. That never happened. You follow hip hop right b? Can you tell me ANYONE who thought LL won the battle on wax?


oh really? so you musta missed the part where they DROPPED him from aftermath, along with the fact that dre didn't have a single track on TDA just as 50 said he wouldn't.

You mean MOVED him to another label?


em followed suit with dre and stopped working with the game as well. and who's fault was that again? the game's. all he had to do was stay quiet and stack his chips, but instead but he let his pride get the best of him and he ended up paying for it in the end.
thats how dre and em showed their loyalty to 50. they coulda easily have played it neutral. instead they ultimately turned their backs on game.
this is where you killed your arguement
right now more people dislike cam than they do 50. it wouldn't even suprise me if jay and nas alligned themselves with 50 for awhile just to shut cam and the dips down.

So them not working with him is the same as sending two whole mixtapes, diss tracks, and shots in magazines? Okay buddy.

I know exactly where you stand and there is really no reason to continue it on with the newest member of the g-stan unit.

Oh btw, you still failed to point out where I killed my own argument. Your not making sense on that one lil homay.

[THA ILL 1]

He stopped Styles from putting an album out, true. As far as stopping them from getting money, not true.

you musta missed the part where they are rappers not executives, and making albums and doing shows in support of sed albums is one of their main sources of income.

None of this is relevant and only proving to me that you ride with the unit like that so you cannot be all that objective. It isnt about what Game did afterwards, he dented G-Unit and made them look like they were touchable. Before Game they looked like they couldn't be touched.

who ever said they WEREN'T untouchable. i said he DID dent their armor, but at the same time he ethered himself by not stopping while he was ahead. 50 is still on aftermath, working with dre beats, game is not. case closed.

This is the same reason why people believe Cam could get 50, if Game was able to do it then why couldn't Cam? If Game never got at them...then I dont think we would be having this debate as far as Cam having a chance.

cuz game was in the same situation as 50. homie just sold 5 mil, had a huge ass podium to speak on just by being on aftermath, and thats where he did most of his damage. cam does NOT have that luxury. to fukk with someone like 50 you have to be on a level playing field as him.

One is on Koch, one is on the most powerfull machine in the game co-signed by the biggest selling artist in the game. It is like comparing night and day.

300k is respectable if you are making 4x as much per album as anyone else (not even saying 7 bucks, 4x as much as most rappers is only like 2 bucks per album) It isnt about the sales as much as it is the money right?

one had zero promo and barely any videos on mtv. one had a hugely publicized beef with jay z with a track record of going gold. neither sold. both lost.

and you really believe that 7 dollars a record bs from cam & em? homie was just crying a few weeks back about how bad koch was, how he wanted to leave cuz they was jerking him. everything that man says pure ducktales. 300k isn't respectable in any situation unless your talking first week numbers or mixtapes.

So Banks is on the low end of his career after one record? :laugh:

mobb deep is on the low end of their career. banks is the new dude who doesn't have the consistant track record of selling off succesive solo albums.

Maybe because all the other albums were on a major? Plus his last album had the lead single blackballed. You dont think that matters? You know what is funny he did 391k on Koch and made more money then he did on Roc-a-fella going platnium.

or just MAYBE it's because niccas are sick and tired of cam. homie went from top 20 lyricist in the game to a virtual dr suess book. i mean cam had tons of publicity with the jay z diss, the movie coming out on dvd, and he still couldnt crack 400k.

and being on a indie hasn't stopped a nobody like jim jones from approaching gold. although he did have one of the biggest hip hop singles of last year.

He stopped one project, styles P because he was on interscope. Only reason he blocked game from being on albums is because Game WAS signed to him then. When it comes to outside of Interscope, he doesn't have pull like that. He can't go cry to the jew about it.

again, ask ja rule and fat joe what they think. i'll touch on that a lil later in this post.

No. Stop pretending like you are going to kick knowledge about how the corporate machine works then say some bull**** like that. If that was the case then they would have done it to Game.

why would he stop his own money? i mean, you DO realize he's getting 25% of whatever game's new album sales right? again lemme school you.

dre and 50 partnered on game's deal, the same way em and dre partnered with 50's. in order to let him out of his contract the parent label(interscope and jimmy) along with the two partnering labels(dre and afthermath & 50 and g-unit) had to sign off on it. dre and 50 both get 25% off TDA. the fukk you think, mothafukkas sign deals, sell 5 million and get let go without paying in some way, shape, or form?

just the fact that 50 has been able to get him dropped from the label and still find a way to profit off the man's album is sweet revenge within itself.

They could do that...but the question is, is that going to hurt the artist more then BET? Cuz they can't pull that with MTV.

when was the last time you seen a canibus video on mtv? or a ja rule one?

which brings me too...

Ask Rule what? Why his dumb singing ass made everyone tired of him and 50 was able to jab a dizzy boxer? Fat Joe, he didnt do **** to him, not a damn thing. Why dont you enlighten us with all this inside information.

a dizzy boxer? rule sold 2 million records in 2002 singing and what not, and the next year couldn't even go gold. yet 50 sings and still sells records? that doesn't strike you as a liiiiiiil ironic? fat joe had just come off the biggest year in his career with that lean back joint. ts album went gold. homie had three consecutive solo albums go gold and platinum. was about to drop an album with nothing BUT singles, and a video with nelly of all people when 50 started his beef with him, then struggles to sell 200,000. drops a new album with a lil wayne single and still can't crack 100,000. granted all music sales struggled last year, but these were guys on two major labels with many years of success who started to struggle soon as 50 went at em. just seems to coincidental if you ask me.

Bis didn't admit it...what he said was he thought so. He also said Wyclef blacklisted him but you want to ignore that but include something he THOUGHT?

And on Beef 2 they didnt point out how the public's opinion swayed....because it didnt. That never happened. You follow hip hop right b? Can you tell me ANYONE who thought LL won the battle on wax?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEtp4-PpfQU

http://www.tsrocks.com/c/canibus_texts/bis_vs_rip.html

"What happened between L and you - Forget it!
People know you won the battle they won't give you the credit"

and i actually know quite a few people who actually believe bis lost. am i one of them? HELL NO, but there are alot of people who do believe he lost. again, thank def jam and uncle l for that one.

and you really think clef had him blacklisted? i guess your too young to remember that bis started getting negative press from all the magazines shortly after the battle and right before can-i-bus dropped. with the publicity he had his debut shoulda gone platinum on all accounts, no matter how bad it was, yet struggled to go gold.

You mean MOVED him to another label?

no i mean dropped as in "yo ass ain't on aftermath no more.

if they woulda just moved him you woulda seen an aftermath/geffen label on the album cover.

So them not working with him is the same as sending two whole mixtapes, diss tracks, and shots in magazines? Okay buddy.

it's worse. homie had an album full of dre beats on his debut, yet didn't get a single one for his sophomore album. to top it off he got dropped off the label and dre won't even talk to him.

so who do you think em and dre sided with again?


exactly

I know exactly where you stand and there is really no reason to continue it on with the newest member of the g-stan unit.

oh i see. so if i'm a member of the "g-stan unit" i guess that makes you a member of the pink bangin bunnies coalition of crayola. no listen you moronic, flannel shirt with one button, 1970's khakis rockin nicca from the coast that hasn't been relevant since 1993, i just call em how i see em. i'm a fan of neither.

Oh btw, you still failed to point out where I killed my own argument. Your not making sense on that one lil homay.


well technically you lost just being from the west coast, but...

Aintnonehigher, hip hop heads know Cam. My mother doesnt. She knows 50 tho. My cousins don't know Cam but they know 50. The average person doesn't know who Camron is. They don't know about him getting shot in his lambo. If Cam gets 50 then he is going to get more support. The number of people tired with g-unit are growing.


^you killed your argument there.