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JR: It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because Tru Dyke, he doesn't have any history. It's between, right now I feel like its between Cam and Hov because Hov doesn't have anybody else to really back him up, that's really lyrical incline. Tru Dyke, he doesn't have a song, a history behind him. He's not a problem. Or Bleek. None of them is a problem. It's just Hov. Hov is, you know, got his thing. Got a little thing, that he scared to come back at Cam. Nahmean? He rather come back at other people. But, I feel like its between us and Hov. Because everybody else is standing next to Hov doesn't count. *****s is trash. Doesn't matter.
http://www.smokingsection.net/TSS/?p=850
bigkamil
02-06-07, 09:49 AM
first of all - "Hov doesn't have anybody else to really back him up, that's really lyrical incline"
GAME, SET, MATCH - NOONE IN DIPSET IS 1/3 LYRICALLY COMPARED TO HOV
END THREAD
Noodles
02-06-07, 10:14 AM
Writer is right here..State Property was his backup now they're gone..I've always thought Jay-Z didnt want it with Cam lyrically.
SUGEKNIGHTJR.
02-06-07, 10:17 AM
HOV can buy all those miserable ass niccas.........and make thier life more comfortable than the bullshyt they getting from KOCH........
NyceDaGod
02-06-07, 10:20 AM
Writer is right here..State Property was his backup now they're gone..I've always thought Jay-Z didnt want it with Cam lyrically.
:ohmy: :laugh:
THE dumbest thing ever said on here!! and das sayin alot!!:laugh: :laugh:
I've always thought Jay-Z didnt want it with Cam lyrically.
Fu%k outta here! How u figure that? Cam ain't nobody to fear going at. He ain't even the best in his crew.
Cam is by far the best in his crew. Lyrically he is excellent.
Now as far as Jay being scared of Cam, that is utterly ridiculous. Come on now.
NotSoft
02-06-07, 10:36 AM
"Dig a hooooole" GayBar Rider
Woodrow
02-06-07, 10:51 AM
JR: It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because Tru Dyke, he doesn't have any history.
http://www.smokingsection.net/TSS/?p=850
JR Writer is history. Lol, tell that fat nerdy nikka to sell 100k before he try to shyt on other people's standing in the game. Seriously, when has he ever done anything worth talking about? As wack as Bleek is, he still holds more weight than JR.
Memph Bleek Is>>>JR Writer's life
Obvious Man
02-06-07, 10:52 AM
Why does JR Writer speak as though his opinion on anything is worth squat?
he is a nobody and needs to shut the **** up
Cam is by far the best in his crew. Lyrically he is excellent.
rhyming "yoo hoo" with "doo doo" is excellent to you? LOL
grock2727
02-06-07, 10:54 AM
Now as far as Jay being scared of Cam, that is utterly ridiculous. Come on now.
that is the general consensus...
Cam is by far the best in his crew. Lyrically he is excellent.
Now as far as Jay being scared of Cam, that is utterly ridiculous. Come on now.
We all know what he did to Stan Spit & what he did to Nas
and we all know that Jay went on to pretend that Cam has no history to diss a legend like him and all of you went on and agreed with him.
the guy never came back at Cam if it isn't for little subliminals and shyt
Jay has been known for giving the business to several rappers Mobb, Nas, Jaz-O, Jayo Felony, Major Figgas etc....
But went on silent when Cam dissed him but got back at Jim Jones
Cam even had a video mocking him :laugh:
and now we get the Cam can't take Jay in a battle ????
cmon my people, even 50 Cent had to be extra careful when he spoke to Cam. Didn't u notice he got real polite when Cam got on the phone ???
Woodrow
02-06-07, 10:58 AM
Why does JR Writer speak as though his opinion on anything is worth squat?
he is a nobody and needs to shut the **** up
thank you my dude...this nikka ain't even on Cam and Jim level...make ur music and play the background while the grown men settle their differences.
ExodusNirvana
02-06-07, 10:58 AM
The part that gets me is that a few years ago this dirtball was on the block bumpin a Hov CD probably...
JR needs to stop. He should have pulled a Game and used the "Legend + Respect" card
Why does JR Writer speak as though his opinion on anything is worth squat?
he is a nobody and needs to shut the **** up
rhyming "yoo hoo" with "doo doo" is excellent to you? LOL
Yes that's the only rhyme he's ever had. Ignore all the joints that he's murdered lyrically, ignore all the albums he's done, ignore all the guest appearances where he ripped it, ignore all the COC shiit. Let's just focus on ONE rhyme, because you hate the man that much, that btw, you never met. Come on. Stop it. There's not a rapper in existance that doesn't have a garbage line.
Yes that's the only rhyme he's ever had. Ignore all the joints that he's murdered lyrically, ignore all the albums he's done, ignore all the guest appearances where he ripped it, ignore all the COC shiit. Let's just focus on ONE rhyme, because you hate the man that much, that btw, you never met. Come on. Stop it. There's not a rapper in existance that doesn't have a garbage line.If u wanna take to back in the day (COC).... then when Cam can make a song anywhere as sick as "Cashmere Thoughts" then holla at me. Other than that he just aight kat.
Yes that's the only rhyme he's ever had. Ignore all the joints that he's murdered lyrically, ignore all the albums he's done, ignore all the guest appearances where he ripped it, ignore all the COC shiit. Let's just focus on ONE rhyme, because you hate the man that much, that btw, you never met. Come on. Stop it. There's not a rapper in existance that doesn't have a garbage line. And that nygga has a garbage line like that in every song just about since Purple Haze.
Obvious Man
02-06-07, 11:13 AM
And that nygga has a garbage line like that in every song just about since Purple Haze.
exactly...Cam has way more than "one garbage line" in his career...dude been consistently dropping trash lines for a minute...
westkoast2k2
02-06-07, 11:14 AM
As far as afraid? Are you kidding me? I would go as far to say that he enjoys it because it pumps his ego and shows he is still on top of the game.
It seems like everyone from NYC really cares about what NYC thinks, even when they blow up and its hard to deny the Dips are not one of the biggest crews in NY regardless if you hate em or like em.
NyceDaGod
02-06-07, 11:18 AM
We all know what he did to Stan Spit & what he did to Nas
and we all know that Jay went on to pretend that Cam has no history to diss a legend like him and all of you went on and agreed with him.
the guy never came back at Cam if it isn't for little subliminals and shyt
Jay has been known for giving the business to several rappers Mobb, Nas, Jaz-O, Jayo Felony, Major Figgas etc....
But went on silent when Cam dissed him but got back at Jim Jones
Cam even had a video mocking him :laugh:
and now we get the Cam can't take Jay in a battle ????
cmon my people, even 50 Cent had to be extra careful when he spoke to Cam. Didn't u notice he got real polite when Cam got on the phone ???
:gag: You're in love wit him aren't you?? there was not one objective thing in this whole paragraph! SO basically ur just a Cam fan so anyone he doesn't like u don't?? grow up! Im a Cam fan, a Nas fan, and a Jay fan.. Cuz i love good muzic and Cam used to provide that on a regular basis.. And i can say Nas killed Jay, Cam got Nas nice, but didn't really kill him (in a full out b attle Nas would win) and Cam def. couldn't lyrically do anything to Jay. to even come close, he'd have to go back to his days when he was spittin fire and switchin his flows up.. Come on B.. be real, just cuz u like dude, doesn't mean he's unbeatable..
:gag: You're in love wit him aren't you?? there was not one objective thing in this whole paragraph! SO basically ur just a Cam fan so anyone he doesn't like u don't?? grow up! Im a Cam fan, a Nas fan, and a Jay fan.. Cuz i love good muzic and Cam used to provide that on a regular basis.. And i can say Nas killed Jay, Cam got Nas nice, but didn't really kill him (in a full out b attle Nas would win) and Cam def. couldn't lyrically do anything to Jay. to even come close, he'd have to go back to his days when he was spittin fire and switchin his flows up.. Come on B.. be real, just cuz u like dude, doesn't mean he's unbeatable..
Real talk
HurricaneJ213
02-06-07, 11:24 AM
Yes that's the only rhyme he's ever had. Ignore all the joints that he's murdered lyrically, ignore all the albums he's done, ignore all the guest appearances where he ripped it, ignore all the COC shiit. Let's just focus on ONE rhyme, because you hate the man that much, that btw, you never met. Come on. Stop it. There's not a rapper in existance that doesn't have a garbage line.
Yeah but his garbage drastically outweighs his good stuff...The COC stuff is the only quality stuff IMO, I still like SDE and Purple Haze a lot as albums..but the lyrical quality is not there
Illkiller2
02-06-07, 11:26 AM
Who the **** is J.R. Writer?
NyceDaGod
02-06-07, 11:32 AM
Who the **** is J.R. Writer?
A washed up basketball player who used to play for Portland?? :huh:
andrea450
02-06-07, 11:35 AM
To me it felt like Hov was tippin' around going at Cam too. I ain't saying Jay can't see Cam...but after the Jim Jones stuff is felt like Hov was trying to avoid having it out directly w/ Cam. That's just how it came off to me though....but because of who he is and where he's at, I expect Jr. Rider to say some sh*t like that.
If u wanna take to back in the day (COC).... then when Cam can make a song anywhere as sick as "Cashmere Thoughts" then holla at me. Other than that he just aight kat.
Cashmere Thoughts was ten years ago along with the COC stuff. Neither raps like that now (not saying better or worse, just different now). I'm just putting his career as a whole. SOME of you dudes are completely unobjective towards him the other way, or you never listened to much of his music to beging with. Technical standpoint he is excellent. He has the multiple rhyme patterns which are the most difficult to copy, with good story telling, and good methaphors. And saying he's been having garbage lines every song since PH, let's me know you don't even listen to him, just singles.
Illkiller2
02-06-07, 11:37 AM
A washed up basketball player who used to play for Portland?? :huh:
lmao
:gag: You're in love wit him aren't you?? there was not one objective thing in this whole paragraph! SO basically ur just a Cam fan so anyone he doesn't like u don't?? grow up! Im a Cam fan, a Nas fan, and a Jay fan.. Cuz i love good muzic and Cam used to provide that on a regular basis.. And i can say Nas killed Jay, Cam got Nas nice, but didn't really kill him (in a full out b attle Nas would win) and Cam def. couldn't lyrically do anything to Jay. to even come close, he'd have to go back to his days when he was spittin fire and switchin his flows up.. Come on B.. be real, just cuz u like dude, doesn't mean he's unbeatable..
we're talking about diss songs my friend
so let me ask you
did you listen to hate me now diss ???
or the stan spit diss ???
Cashmere Thoughts was ten years ago along with the COC stuff. Neither raps like that now (not saying better or worse, just different now). I'm just putting his career as a whole. SOME of you dudes are completely unobjective towards him the other way, or you never listened to much of his music to beging with. Technical standpoint he is excellent. He has the multiple rhyme patterns which are the most difficult to copy, with good story telling, and good methaphors. And saying he's been having garbage lines every song since PH, let's me know you don't even listen to him, just singles.Hold up slim. I have every Cam album to begin with and he was even one of my favorites before he tried to go at Jay to up his sales, because believe me that's all he trying to do. Hov is doing the best thing in ignoring him. When he pulled that bs move he did with the wet wipes video, that was his way of saying "look at me and who I'm talking about", but it fell on deaf ears. The nygga Cam is an attention whore who'll do or say anything to get noticed (bytch qualities if u ask me). But I listened to/own every album he's ever done, mixtapes included. So my opinion is far from biased cuz.
BeeboTehCat
02-06-07, 11:47 AM
Fu%k outta here! How u figure that? Cam ain't nobody to fear going at. He ain't even the best in his crew.
If that's the case....how come Jay chose to go after Jones instead of Cam? ...because he knows that Jim Jones isn't sh1t lyrically, and that Cam has the potential to eat him alive on wax if he tried hard enough. Cam'ron isn't a pushover, he's just an underachiever. He's like the Kevin Randleman of rap. He started out raw but got lazy and made alot of mistakes when he got on the map; yet he's still a threat to anyone if he brings his A-game. Cam's just not as hungry cuz he knows he's already established a fanbase and will keep eating regardless...although not as good as Jay of course, but he's still eating good.
If that's the case....how come Jay chose to go after Jones instead of Cam? ...because he knows that Jim Jones isn't sh1t lyrically, and that Cam has the potential to eat him alive on wax if he tried hard enough. Cam'ron isn't a pushover, he's just an underachiever. He's like the Kevin Randleman of rap. He started out raw but got lazy and made alot of mistakes when he got on the map; yet he's still a threat to anyone if he brings his A-game. Cam's just not as hungry cuz he knows he's already established a fanbase and will keep eating regardless...although not as good as Jay of course, but he's still eating good.
Cam said he changed his style, because he needed to sell records.
MISTAH I wasn't talking to you specifically, I said SOME of you (in general) are bias towards him, for whatever reason. And Jay hasn't ignored him, he made the song Dig a Hole. If he was ignoring him, he wouldn't even get that.
Chewizzle
02-06-07, 11:53 AM
Cam said he changed his style, because he needed to sell records.
MISTAH I wasn't talking to you specifically, I said SOME of you (in general) are bias towards him, for whatever reason. And Jay hasn't ignored him, he made the song Dig a Hole. If he was ignoring him, he wouldn't even get that.
don't forget the hustlin remix...
and j.r. is right, no matter how many jay-z stans are gonna discredit him.
grock2727
02-06-07, 11:55 AM
We all know what he did to Stan Spit & what he did to Nas
and we all know that Jay went on to pretend that Cam has no history to diss a legend like him and all of you went on and agreed with him.
the guy never came back at Cam if it isn't for little subliminals and shyt
Jay has been known for giving the business to several rappers Mobb, Nas, Jaz-O, Jayo Felony, Major Figgas etc....
But went on silent when Cam dissed him but got back at Jim Jones
Cam even had a video mocking him :laugh:
and now we get the Cam can't take Jay in a battle ????
cmon my people, even 50 Cent had to be extra careful when he spoke to Cam. Didn't u notice he got real polite when Cam got on the phone ???
You call this a subliminal?
"You selling little 2's, only time you went plat
My chain was on your neck, that's a actual fact
So I'm praying that it spills outside of the booth
That's when ya'll *****z outside of your truth
Outside of your league that's not what you do
*****z throwing Roc signs outside of your coupe (hah)
Don't look at Hov like he done something wrong to 'em
Cuz he's onto 'em, he just took what belonged to him"
just cuz he did'nt say "Cam" does not mean it ain't painfully obvious who he was talking to. not to mention Jay eggs them on in the "Hustlin Remix", then on "Brooklyn High", then again on Tru Lifes mixtape, so he already gave Cam and the Dips more of "the business" then he ever did to all those you mentioned outside of Nas so stop bullshytin.
What I want to know is where are those 15 rounds worth of disses Cam claimed to have? Hov finally gives them the time of day and they don't come back properly yet?
BeeboTehCat
02-06-07, 11:56 AM
Hold up slim. I have every Cam album to begin with and he was even one of my favorites before he tried to go at Jay to up his sales, because believe me that's all he trying to do. Hov is doing the best thing in ignoring him. When he pulled that bs move he did with the wet wipes video, that was his way of saying "look at me and who I'm talking about", but it fell on deaf ears. The nygga Cam is an attention whore who'll do or say anything to get noticed (bytch qualities if u ask me). But I listened to/own every album he's ever done, mixtapes included. So my opinion is far from biased cuz.
So it's the best thing to go after the guy in the crew that's currently all over the radio, TV, club scene, etc? :rolleyes: Him going after Jones, or anyone else of the dips for that matter, is STILL putting money in Cam's pocket, and still giving Dipset more exposure. Jim Jones is hot right now (no homo), so it'd be even worse to go after him rather than Cam'ron. There's no other way of looking at it other than being illogical or biased. Let's face it, Jay's still shook of Cam. Stop giving him passes.
To me it felt like Hov was tippin' around going at Cam too. I ain't saying Jay can't see Cam...but after the Jim Jones stuff is felt like Hov was trying to avoid having it out directly w/ Cam. That's just how it came off to me though....but because of who he is and where he's at, I expect Jr. Rider to say some sh*t like that.everytime this topic comes up, you say the same thing over and over even tho reality completely contradicts what youre saying. you compare him going at cam to how he went at jim, and i dont really see a difference. dude has made several direct references to cam so why do you continue to say that he was tippin around going at him?
NotSoft
02-06-07, 11:58 AM
Until Cam even gets on a Jada or Fabolous level he need to fall back...where his plaques at?Where his hits at? U dipset nikkas act like dude a legend in the same league as jay and nas....and as i said he midlevel like jada and Fab except they both spit better than that clown....cam had
rocafella and heatmaker production which is what set him apart...nikka still got less hits and been around b4 those 2 was.....ya boy aint built for this sh1t man...corny whisper flow hov he may challenge...but hard on hoes laid back jay he dont stand a chance...hov take that whispet out his voice and its over.
Stan Spit
02-06-07, 12:01 PM
cam would embarass any rapper
grock2727
02-06-07, 12:05 PM
"You selling little 2's, only time you went plat
My chain was on your neck, that's a actual fact
So I'm praying that it spills outside of the booth
That's when ya'll *****z outside of your truth
Outside of your league that's not what you do
*****z throwing Roc signs outside of your coupe (hah)
Don't look at Hov like he done something wrong to 'em
Cuz he's onto 'em, he just took what belonged to him"
just cuz he did'nt say "Cam" does not mean it ain't painfully obvious who he was talking to.
why yall keep saying Hov did'nt respond to Cam?
NyceDaGod
02-06-07, 12:05 PM
we're talking about diss songs my friend
so let me ask you
did you listen to hate me now diss ???
or the stan spit diss ???
Yesa i have, and to me its assininte to compare what he did to stan spit to his disses to Nas.. I mean, Stan Spit is considered a joke now! And it is in direct coralation to Cam bodying him. Nas however took a few ill lyrical shots from Cam, but it affected him, nor his fanbase nor his music nor his legacy anywhere near as much as it did to Stan.. And its not even close.. It was a hot diss record, but thats what seperates the real emcees from the ones hip hop could do without.. So to say Cam (due to his track record) is untouchable when it comes to disses is a ridiculous argument predicated upon an even more ridiculous comparison.
logic80
02-06-07, 12:06 PM
:gag: You're in love wit him aren't you?? there was not one objective thing in this whole paragraph! SO basically ur just a Cam fan so anyone he doesn't like u don't?? grow up! Im a Cam fan, a Nas fan, and a Jay fan.. Cuz i love good muzic and Cam used to provide that on a regular basis.. And i can say Nas killed Jay, Cam got Nas nice, but didn't really kill him (in a full out b attle Nas would win) and Cam def. couldn't lyrically do anything to Jay. to even come close, he'd have to go back to his days when he was spittin fire and switchin his flows up.. Come on B.. be real, just cuz u like dude, doesn't mean he's unbeatable..
Agree except for the part that cam got nas. The biggest bul**** I ever heard. the only people who think it was a real good diss is people who got a problem with nas. (from what I know from people I hang around with). In that diss cam said everything that Jay said except in a non lyrical but slightly funnier way. So basically he swagger jacked hov's diss.
BeeboTehCat
02-06-07, 12:06 PM
Until Cam even gets on a Jada or Fabolous level he need to fall back...where his plaques at?Where his hits at? U dipset nikkas act like dude a legend in the same league as jay and nas....and as i said he midlevel like jada and Fab except they both spit better than that clown....cam had
rocafella and heatmaker production which is what set him apart...nikka still got less hits and been around b4 those 2 was.....ya boy aint built for this sh1t man...corny whisper flow hov he may challenge...but hard on hoes laid back jay he dont stand a chance...hov take that whispet out his voice and its over.
:laugh:
You can't be serious.
So it's the best thing to go after the guy in the crew that's currently all over the radio, TV, club scene, etc? :rolleyes: Him going after Jones, or anyone else of the dips for that matter, is STILL putting money in Cam's pocket, and still giving Dipset more exposure. Jim Jones is hot right now (no homo), so it'd be even worse to go after him rather than Cam'ron. There's no other way of looking at it other than being illogical or biased. Let's face it, Jay's still shook of Cam. Stop giving him passes.the hell does how much money and exposure cam is getting off of this have to do with anything? you kids are so busy cheerleading and what not that you dont think sh1t thru. instead of just looking at sh1t from a "jay is shook of cam" angle, why dont you try and be objective. maybe the reason that jay went at jim when he did is because jim had the hottest song on the street at that time and with jay dropping an album, he wanted all the extra buzz he could get. doesnt that seem more logical than your "he went at jim because he's scared to go at cam" theory"? i still dont see why ppl act like dig a hole and some of the lines on bk high werent clearly directed at cam.
Noodles
02-06-07, 12:08 PM
ya boy aint built for this sh1t man...corny whisper flow hov he may challenge...but hard on hoes laid back jay he dont stand a chance...hov take that whispet out his voice and its over.
Jay-Z is just shy of 40 years of age..you ppl are delusional.
andrea450
02-06-07, 12:11 PM
everytime this topic comes up, you say the same thing over and over even tho reality completely contradicts what youre saying. you compare him going at cam to how he went at jim, and i dont really see a difference. dude has made several direct references to cam so why do you continue to say that he was tippin around going at him?
Actually I only recall saying this 1 other time...you know, the other time you spazzed out at the idea.
Look, I know you don't like it...but that doesn't change how it seemed to me. And that's all I'm saying....I had the same feeling, not necessarily that Jay was scared, but that he didn't want to go head on w/ Cam.
NotSoft
02-06-07, 12:12 PM
^^@ Beebo...yea im serious,dispute what i said?
grock2727
02-06-07, 12:18 PM
Actually I only recall saying this 1 other time...you know, the other time you spazzed out at the idea.
Look, I know you don't like it...but that doesn't change how it seemed to me. And that's all I'm saying....I had the same feeling, not necessarily that Jay was scared, but that he didn't want to go head on w/ Cam.
thats why he said "reality completely contradicts what youre saying", check my post above, can you honestly say Jay ain't going head on w/ Cam?
NyceDaGod
02-06-07, 12:19 PM
Its impossible to argue the subject because these fans nowadays can't differentiate between what they like and what is good or fact.. in other words, they can never be objective.. kinda like women..
BeeboTehCat
02-06-07, 12:21 PM
the hell does how much money and exposure cam is getting off of this have to do with anything? you kids are so busy cheerleading and what not that you dont think sh1t thru. instead of just looking at sh1t from a "jay is shook of cam" angle, why dont you try and be objective. maybe the reason that jay went at jim when he did is because jim had the hottest song on the street at that time and with jay dropping an album, he wanted all the extra buzz he could get. doesnt that seem more logical than your "he went at jim because he's scared to go at cam" theory"? i still dont see why ppl act like dig a hole and some of the lines on bk high werent clearly directed at cam.
I wasn't the one to bring up sales or exposure....
Hold up slim. I have every Cam album to begin with and he was even one of my favorites before he tried to go at Jay to up his sales, because believe me that's all he trying to do. Hov is doing the best thing in ignoring him. When he pulled that bs move he did with the wet wipes video, that was his way of saying "look at me and who I'm talking about", but it fell on deaf ears. The nygga Cam is an attention whore who'll do or say anything to get noticed (bytch qualities if u ask me). But I listened to/own every album he's ever done, mixtapes included. So my opinion is far from biased cuz.
Think before you post. It's you jigga warriors that are the ones always bringing up exposure in regards as to why Jay's ignoring or at least not directly going at Cam. So who's the one cheerleading again?
Actually I only recall saying this 1 other time...you know, the other time you spazzed out at the idea.
Look, I know you don't like it...but that doesn't change how it seemed to me. And that's all I'm saying....I had the same feeling, not necessarily that Jay was scared, but that he didn't want to go head on w/ Cam.i didnt "spaz" out at the idea of anything, i simply challenged what you said the same way im doing now. ive just never heard you give your reasoning for continuing to say "imo, jay seemed to be tipping around cam". if you were to give an explanation for why you have this opinion then id accept it or call it bs and keep it moving. its like you are ignoring reality to believe what you want to believe. i mean, did you not hear the direct cam references on the huslin remix? the direct references to cam on dig a hole? the rucker park reference in bk high? the direct dipset references on that tru life intro?
andrea450
02-06-07, 12:25 PM
Like I said...I heard all that, still felt like Jay was avoiding a 1 on 1 with Cam.
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