anybody watch jazz documentaries and ...

[anti white movement]

feel that being Black meant something back then.

the old school jazz musicians seemed like there mere presence almost demanded respect.

[Priest B. Pimpish]

Aren't you Asian?

Why care about what being Black means to a mawf*cka?

[anti white movement]

Aren't you Asian?
Why care about what being Black means to a mawf*cka?

half black...

[Priest B. Pimpish]

half black...
Alright...

Which documentaries do you speak of? The Ken Burns documentary?

[Copper Scroll]

I know what you mean on the respect issue. Rappers today try and want (I think) to do the same thing, but they go about it in a way that seems more interested in instilling fear than respect. And most of their audience eats it up because they really would be afraid if they were left alone with the average "thug" rapper (the same thrill that drives people to ride roller-coasters and see horror flicks), while the jazz audience respects jazz musicians and loves jazz because it's actually good music that requires a great deal of technical skill.

:yes:

How's your intro to jazz been going?

[anti white movement]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkvCDCOGzGc


Charlie parker, Dizzie gilipsie, and Max roach ...:ohmy:

nobody can take away from the talent in that clip... Nobody.

Anyone can put together a few metaphors or peice together some samples, but there are very few people in the history of mankind who can play like the men in that clip.

[DJKATA]

Bow down to Sun Ra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QszOkrHMW00

[anti white movement]

Bow down to Sun Ra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QszOkrHMW00

i hate free jazz...

there are african scales.. Why not use them instead of western scales? no chords= garbation... could have used african chords or eastern chords.

free jazz sounds like noise to me Especially cecil thymon (mispelling)

[DJKATA]

Free Jazz (if you want to call it that) was/is all about going outside of Western methods and procedures of making music, breaking free of Western Disciplines.
Sun Ra is one of the most important musicians of the last 100 years. I understand why some dont get it though. The greatest conncert i have seen in the past 5 years (and i have seen a lot) is Pharoah Sanders this year, mind blowing...Anyway back to Ra
To put it better than i ever could

"Ra was one of the first jazz leaders to use two basses, to employ the electric bass, to play electronic keyboards, to use extensive percussion and polyrhythms, to explore modal music and to pioneer solo and group freeform improvisations. In addition, he made his mark in the wider cultural context: he proclaimed the African origins of jazz, reaffirmed pride in black history and reasserted the spiritual and mystical dimensions of music"

[Copper Scroll]

i hate free jazz...

there are african scales.. Why not use them instead of western scales? no chords= garbation... could have used african chords or eastern chords.

free jazz sounds like noise to me Especially cecil thymon (mispelling)
Don't be so quick to judge the so-called "free" jazz. Keep an open mind, at least. When I first started listening to jazz heavy, I just thought it was noise. Eric Dolphy's Out to Lunch (which really is not even all that "free" compared to others) left me confused and mystified. John Coltrane's Ascension was just plain noise to me. And I thought Ornette Coleman plain sucked.

Strangely, though, without even listening to a lot of "free jazz", I came to appreciate it. It ain't my favorite, in general, but Out to Lunch is definitely one of my all-time favorite records now. I love certain Ornette Coleman records (like "Free Jazz" which gave the subgenre its name--incredible ensemble), and I can listen to Ascension and appreciate its musicianship--despite its noisiness.

I'm not sure how it happened for me, but I think jazz is like a family of languages with different musicians speaking different dialects--but various dialects have certain features in common. Learning one dialect, perhaps, allowed me to start understanding other dialects. Perhaps, Coltrane's earlier work provided a bridge to his more difficult later work in that way, for example. I tend not to like too much chaos, because it makes discerning the individual parts too much of a challenge to enjoy. But give me a small ensemble (like a trio or quartet) playing free and "outside" any day of the week.

So I don't think any one should close the door on the free jazz. Later on down the line, if you stay open-minded, you might find great beauty in some of those records.

Also, I don't think free jazz is all about abandoning Western conventions and standards. I see it more positively as (like its name implies) providing more freedom for the musician to express himself. That, I think, has been the dominant trend in the history of jazz. Bebop provided more improvisational freedom for the soloist--but still adhered to strict choral structures. Modal jazz freed the soloist of chord changes and allowed him to focus on melody and the artful use of aural space. Similarly, "outside" players make artful use of atonality and dissonance, giving them even more room to move.

All of this is bound up in the catalogue of John Coltrane alone. He took bebop to its natural conclusion by filling the aural space with probably as many notes as anyone possibly could and still adhere to harmonic structure. Modal jazz gave him the space he needed to solo is as long as he wanted to without having to spend the whole time worrying about changes on one hand and trying not to repeat himself on the other. As his music progressed, overall it became freer and more expressive--so the "avant garde" became his natural destination. Its all about freedom of expression.

This is too long--nevermind.

[Copper Scroll]

Bow down to Sun Ra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QszOkrHMW00
That's ill.
I need more Sun Ra records.

The Living Myth! Ra has to have one of the wisest men of the 20th century.

[Priest B. Pimpish]

"Lanquidity" is amazing. I can't get into the likes of Ornette Coleman and Cecil Taylor, though.

[Copper Scroll]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkvCDCOGzGc


Charlie parker, Dizzie gilipsie, and Max roach ...:ohmy:

nobody can take away from the talent in that clip... Nobody.

Anyone can put together a few metaphors or peice together some samples, but there are very few people in the history of mankind who can play like the men in that clip.
More Max Roach...

This time performing material from his pro-Black concept album, We Insist! Great album. It touches on everything from slavery to pan-African resistance.

These two tunes are called "Prayer, Protest, Peace" and "All Africa". (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDhkuT2bhbc)

[DJKATA]

Anyone seen that footage from the early 80's of Max Roach performing with Fab 5 Freddy and The New York City Breakers?

And if people dont know the work of Sahib Shihab do some research and check him out too..

[DJKATA]

More Max Roach...
This time performing material from his pro-Black concept album, We Insist! Great album. It touches on everything from slavery to pan-African resistance.
These two tunes are called "Prayer, Protest, Peace" and "All Africa". (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDhkuT2bhbc)

Thats some hot sh1t right there