Arctic Monkeys.

[RocafellaUK]

I advise u all listen to the arctic monkeys. Biggest british band.

[Juicer]

I'm from England and they're a fukking joke, a fad, it's all been done before.

The 70s called, they want their style back :thumbsdow

[nineteen80sbaby]

I advise u all listen to the arctic monkeys. Biggest british band.

If this was feb. you would have something.

[flapjacks]

Of all the overreations the British music rags have had in the last 10 years, putting this AWFUL OBNOXIOUS album made by foolish 17-year-olds as the 5th best British album EVER will go down in history as the worst "criticism" ever.

Even worse than when NME gave Britney 10/10.

[Paul]

Didn't Elastica do the same thing the Arcitc Monkeys are doing like ten years ago? And they were just ripping off Wire and the Buzzcocks. Sheesh.

[Bone Daddy]

I felt so ripped off when I bought tha tpiece of sh!t album, almost as much as I did when I bought the first Strokes album.

[yaga]

If i wanted to listen to a better Arctic Monkeys, i'd listen to the Libertines.

=)

[Danny Banton]

Late advice - Check, no originality - Check, Hate - Check, Other bands better - Check.

Threads over.

[informerx]

The Kooks are a much better band. Also waiting for the new Bloc Party album if it ever drops.

[Clem]

The Kooks are a much better band. Also waiting for the new Bloc Party album if it ever drops.
Yeah, ****'s not even close either.

[tttom]

I think the album is one of the best i have heard in years.

[Kane Sluggs]

Late advice - Check, no originality - Check, Hate - Check, Other bands better - Check.
Threads over.
hahaha. Exactly why I'm leaving (one of the reasons).
come take my user name:
http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=761133

BTW, I just recently heard that album with all the cigarettes. It's ok, not crazy about it. Not my type of music though.

[Clem]

I think the album is one of the best i have heard in years.
That's really too bad.

[Skee-lo]

You've changed your opinion then Clem.

*Hype victim* ahem ahem.

You even did the whole "im a real fan, I prefer an earlier EP to the album" and "gosh I can't believe they left this song off the album" thing a few months ago .

The new Arctic Monkeys single is great, Leave Before The Lights Come On also.

And The Kooks? really?

(i dont have a great memory, I just read the AM vs BP thread again as its front page haha)

[Clem]

You've changed your opinion then Clem.
*Hype victim* ahem ahem.
You even did the whole "im a real fan, I prefer an earlier EP to the album" and "gosh I can't believe they left this song off the album" thing a few months ago .
The new Arctic Monkeys single is great, Leave Before The Lights Come On also.
And The Kooks? really?
(i dont have a great memory, I just read the AM vs BP thread again as its front page haha)
I changed my opinion from what? I never said they were the greatest band ever like NME and those lame ass brits. Even in the Bloc Party vs Arctic Monkeys thread I chose Bloc party and said it wasn't even close. They're a neat listen but mind-blowing they are not.

[Skee-lo]

Its just obvious that before they 'broke over there' as such, you were quick to point out you were fan, and now they broke and the hype got them exposure, you are quick to renounce. Just an observation.

BTW. @ your lame ass brit comment:

1. I think you well know that that commercial America is much worse with its guitar bands. See; Panic! At The Disco, Fall Out Boy, f*cking Audioslave etc etc. I know which I'd rather listen to, and I can guess which you'd rather listen to, and I think it would probably be the lame-ass Brit's music.

2. No offence about the Kooks, I like some of their songs, but they are one of those bands that EVERY SINGLE fickle music fan in this country loves (by this I mean people who bought Britney Spears 3/4 years ago., the people who listen to James Blunt here and in the US) Like I said I like them, Naive is even one of my favourite singles of recent times, but your adverse reaction to hype/mass appeal(approval) as seen with the Arctic Monkeys is just very flawed. But I suppose the Kooks are barely even known in the US so the reaction wouldnt be the same.

[RocafellaUK]

the kooks are good. i think there album is brilliant. a commercial in places, but naive is one of the best indie/rock songs of the last 10 years, in my opinion. Anyway, Arctic Monkeys blew up to quick, if they were an underground band and brought out them songs people like these haters would be loving them.

Theres nothing wrong with doing music that was big in the 70's. Its how music developes. Every band and artist does it.

[Clem]

Its just obvious that before they 'broke over there' as such, you were quick to point out you were fan, and now they broke and the hype got them exposure, you are quick to renounce. Just an observation.

BTW. @ your lame ass brit comment:

1. I think you well know that that commercial America is much worse with its guitar bands. See; Panic! At The Disco, Fall Out Boy, f*cking Audioslave etc etc. I know which I'd rather listen to, and I can guess which you'd rather listen to, and I think it would probably be the lame-ass Brit's music.

2. No offence about the Kooks, I like some of their songs, but they are one of those bands that EVERY SINGLE fickle music fan in this country loves (by this I mean people who bought Britney Spears 3/4 years ago., the people who listen to James Blunt here and in the US) Like I said I like them, Naive is even one of my favourite singles of recent times, but your adverse reaction to hype/mass appeal(approval) as seen with the Arctic Monkeys is just very flawed. But I suppose the Kooks are barely even known in the US so the reaction wouldnt be the same.

The thing is that British bands instantly gain mored credibility just based on the fact that they're British there is this storied musical past there.

Every single person likes the Arctic Monkeys too. I don't think I ever said they were a bad band or that I don't listen to their music. But their record wasn't/isn't a classic. They aren't the messiahs.

Are they better than Bloc Party? No. Are they better than The Kooks? No. Better than The Futureheads? No. Better than Art Brut? No. Better than Maximo Park? No. Did they make a neat record? Sure. They are probably better than ¡Forward, Russia! though.

If it was about me not wanting to be associated with something popular I wouldn't like Bloc Party or listen to Lily Allen who it seems everyone hates.

[Skee-lo]

The thing is that British bands instantly gain mored credibility just based on the fact that they're British there is this storied musical past there.
Every single person likes the Arctic Monkeys too. I don't think I ever said they were a bad band or that I don't listen to their music. But their record wasn't/isn't a classic. They aren't the messiahs.
Are they better than Bloc Party? No. Are they better than The Kooks? No. Better than The Futureheads? No. Better than Art Brut? No. Better than Maximo Park? No. Did they make a neat record? Sure. They are probably better than ¡Forward, Russia! though.
If it was about me not wanting to be associated with something popular I wouldn't like Bloc Party or listen to Lily Allen who it seems everyone hates.

Forward, Russia are crap. The Futureheads are decent, but Field Music are better than they are anyway.

Bloc Party didnt get the commerical (ie outside indie and the people you would expect to know about them) exposure in the US. Lily Allen hasnt done yet, she's still in the Pitchfork et al realm, so she doesnt count.

You sort of made my point by saying EVERY SINGLE person likes Arctic Monkeys. Now they do, you don't! You're in America, and I know the Kooks aren't popular there, but if they were I'm just saying, I bet you;d be the same with them, you'd say how much better Maximo Park are or something.

Same with Lily Allen. But her appeal baffles me anyway. And she's so dislikeable in interviews as well.

[flapjacks]

Its just obvious that before they 'broke over there' as such, you were quick to point out you were fan, and now they broke and the hype got them exposure, you are quick to renounce. Just an observation.
BTW. @ your lame ass brit comment:
1. I think you well know that that commercial America is much worse with its guitar bands. See; Panic! At The Disco, Fall Out Boy, f*cking Audioslave etc etc. I know which I'd rather listen to, and I can guess which you'd rather listen to, and I think it would probably be the lame-ass Brit's music.
2. No offence about the Kooks, I like some of their songs, but they are one of those bands that EVERY SINGLE fickle music fan in this country loves (by this I mean people who bought Britney Spears 3/4 years ago., the people who listen to James Blunt here and in the US) Like I said I like them, Naive is even one of my favourite singles of recent times, but your adverse reaction to hype/mass appeal(approval) as seen with the Arctic Monkeys is just very flawed. But I suppose the Kooks are barely even known in the US so the reaction wouldnt be the same.

No offence, but this sort of masochism is exactly what I think is absolutely frightening about anything and anyone who touches the British music scene.

You know, you can just NOT LISTEN to them, especially since you know they're lame. You don't need to care about them.

In the same way, just because it's a new calendar year doesn't mean that the British music press NEEDS to crown another band as something really special. Nor does the British public need to buy it in droves, or fall for the same trick every time.

What's ironic is that--whoever said this in this thread is absolutely correct--the whole reason this is allowed to take place is because of Britain's "storied past" with guitar bands. And yet every time they hoise another mediocre band up to these ridiculously high rankings, it's actually an INSULT to that same storied past.

Overall, yes, the taste of the American masses is worse, but at least the American masses don't know enough about their past to say "Oh Fall Out Boy is better than the Jimi Hendrix Experience" they way the British can look at a ranking that puts Artic Stupid Monkeys over The Beatles and :yes: .

[esini]

I like them. So please suck a cock.

[Skee-lo]

Hold on hold on, you seem to have completely misinterpreted the argument.

I rarely listen to the Arctic Monkeys, and I certainly wouldnt call myself a fan. The only time I hear there songs is radio/TV. I think I said that. I also said I dont listen to the Kooks. And I don't listen to The Beatles. I dont do rankings or lists about historical albums, and my taste doesnt really agree with any of them so that point is lost on me.

He referred to lame-ass brits and hype. Masochism? Please don't be a retard. If someone makes a stupid generalisation of a music scene and the followers of it (in this case Clem and his lame-ass brit comment), then it follows that someone on the otherside of the argument will reply with a similar comment about the US scene. Did you expect noone to respond? If I was American I still would have made my point about him being a hype victim. Its hilarious when people decide to big something up prior to mass appeal, and as soon as everyone knows about it, clearly tone down their bigging up.

The argument was about his adverse reaction to hype, and I think its funny people are so fickle. He then made a comment about brits, which as far as i can see was uncalled for and not generally part of the argument. Afterall, my original point references another British band which he says are super, the Kooks.

You make a comment about lame-ass brits music, but ignore your own country's music, then im sorry, but you're gonna have to get picked up on it.

You need to stop viewing things as UK/US as much, it clearly affects how much you like something.




PS. Of course there's going to be patriotism in the UK music press. Chart music is generally populated by American acts, here and obviously in America, so I don't see anything wrong with them championing an act from their country and hyping them up. I dont read in to the hype so I couldnt care less. I dont like James Blunts music but im pleased he's selling well in America. Doesn't mean im more likely to listen to his music.

Get over it.

[Clem]

Forward, Russia are crap. The Futureheads are decent, but Field Music are better than they are anyway.

Bloc Party didnt get the commerical (ie outside indie and the people you would expect to know about them) exposure in the US. Lily Allen hasnt done yet, she's still in the Pitchfork et al realm, so she doesnt count.

You sort of made my point by saying EVERY SINGLE person likes Arctic Monkeys. Now they do, you don't! You're in America, and I know the Kooks aren't popular there, but if they were I'm just saying, I bet you;d be the same with them, you'd say how much better Maximo Park are or something.

Same with Lily Allen. But her appeal baffles me anyway. And she's so dislikeable in interviews as well.
I haven't heard of/listened to Field Music. I'll check it out.

Bloc Party was on MTV a lot. Had songs played on the radio.

Doesn't every single person like the Arctic Monkeys? I am in no way saying it makes their music worse. I still don't remember saying anything about disliking them. I like Feist, Ghostface, and plenty of other artists that get incredibly overrated.

I think I like that Lily Allen just sort of comes across as a snotty brat. I also heard she did a cover of Naive that I haven't listened to yet. I hope it isn't ****ty.

He referred to lame-ass brits and hype. Masochism? Please don't be a retard. If someone makes a stupid generalisation of a music scene and the followers of it (in this case Clem and his lame-ass brit comment), then it follows that someone on the otherside of the argument will reply with a similar comment about the US scene. Did you expect noone to respond? If I was American I still would have made my point about him being a hype victim. Its hilarious when people decide to big something up prior to mass appeal, and as soon as everyone knows about it, clearly tone down their bigging up.

The argument was about his adverse reaction to hype, and I think its funny people are so fickle. He then made a comment about brits, which as far as i can see was uncalled for and not generally part of the argument. Afterall, my original point references another British band which he says are super, the Kooks.

You make a comment about lame-ass brits music, but ignore your own country's music, then im sorry, but you're gonna have to get picked up on it.
You need to stop viewing things as UK/US as much, it clearly affects how much you like something.


I think the comment I made about the lame-ass brits was called for. Or maybe it was part of different argument? When NME features the Arctic Monkeys on the cover with the tagline: "The Future of Rock N Roll" or "Rock is back!" or even "Best band of the past 25 years?" I don't know if these are real taglines.


In the same way, just because it's a new calendar year doesn't mean that the British music press NEEDS to crown another band as something really special. Nor does the British public need to buy it in droves, or fall for the same trick every time.

What's ironic is that--whoever said this in this thread is absolutely correct--the whole reason this is allowed to take place is because of Britain's "storied past" with guitar bands. And yet every time they hoise another mediocre band up to these ridiculously high rankings, it's actually an INSULT to that same storied past.
That's basically what I was referring to when I made the lame-brits comment. I'm not talking about the fans or citizens. I'm talking about the journalists, media-types, fellows writing for the music rags. It's the John Peel's, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Gang of Fours, Sex Pistols (jesus), etc. that give creedence to those sort of claims.

When there's a magazine here with Pete Wentz (of Fall Out Boy), William Becket (of The Academy Is...), and Gerard Way (of my Chemical Romance) with the tagline "The Shape of Punk to Come" referencing the refused album title I don't think people take it seriously.

Without the british hype-machine co-sign the Arctic Monkeys are a british We Are Scientists.

I'm not sure where you're getting it being a UK/US thing impacting my like for a band. I still like the Arctic Monkeys. I am just not going to crown them the future of rock n roll or the messiahs.

[DC]

The album was good, the hype killed them.

Shame really.

[esini]

The album was good, the hype killed them.

Shame really.


Hmm. Explain. They've only released one album, so how can the 'hype' have killed them exactly, whenever they haven't released any new material? Sounds like elitest bullsh!t to me not to like a band suddenly because they are 'overhyped'.

[DC]

Hmm. Explain. They've only released one album, so how can the 'hype' have killed them exactly, whenever they haven't released any new material? Sounds like elitest bullsh!t to me not to like a band suddenly because they are 'overhyped'.

Hearing clips of their songs behind clips on TV so many times only takes away from the music, just like when songs are used in adverts..........it gets annoying.

The album was great, I really enjoyed it.....just heard some of the better tracks ruined now :(

Let's not mention when both parties start trying to include them in conference jokes :gag:

[informerx]

Its just obvious that before they 'broke over there' as such, you were quick to point out you were fan, and now they broke and the hype got them exposure, you are quick to renounce. Just an observation.
BTW. @ your lame ass brit comment:
1. I think you well know that that commercial America is much worse with its guitar bands. See; Panic! At The Disco, Fall Out Boy, f*cking Audioslave etc etc. I know which I'd rather listen to, and I can guess which you'd rather listen to, and I think it would probably be the lame-ass Brit's music.
2. No offence about the Kooks, I like some of their songs, but they are one of those bands that EVERY SINGLE fickle music fan in this country loves (by this I mean people who bought Britney Spears 3/4 years ago., the people who listen to James Blunt here and in the US) Like I said I like them, Naive is even one of my favourite singles of recent times, but your adverse reaction to hype/mass appeal(approval) as seen with the Arctic Monkeys is just very flawed. But I suppose the Kooks are barely even known in the US so the reaction wouldnt be the same.


Kooks are barely known in the US because we have the dumbest music fans anywhere. The cornballs here would rather to panic at the disco most of the other bands you listed. At the same time Arctic Monkeys got a pretty decent push here in the states and still really didn't do that well.

[Skee-lo]

I haven't heard of/listened to Field Music. I'll check it out.
Bloc Party was on MTV a lot. Had songs played on the radio.
Doesn't every single person like the Arctic Monkeys? I am in no way saying it makes their music worse. I still don't remember saying anything about disliking them. I like Feist, Ghostface, and plenty of other artists that get incredibly overrated.
I think I like that Lily Allen just sort of comes across as a snotty brat. I also heard she did a cover of Naive that I haven't listened to yet. I hope it isn't ****ty.
I think the comment I made about the lame-ass brits was called for. Or maybe it was part of different argument? When NME features the Arctic Monkeys on the cover with the tagline: "The Future of Rock N Roll" or "Rock is back!" or even "Best band of the past 25 years?" I don't know if these are real taglines.
That's basically what I was referring to when I made the lame-brits comment. I'm not talking about the fans or citizens. I'm talking about the journalists, media-types, fellows writing for the music rags. It's the John Peel's, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Gang of Fours, Sex Pistols (jesus), etc. that give creedence to those sort of claims.
When there's a magazine here with Pete Wentz (of Fall Out Boy), William Becket (of The Academy Is...), and Gerard Way (of my Chemical Romance) with the tagline "The Shape of Punk to Come" referencing the refused album title I don't think people take it seriously.
Without the british hype-machine co-sign the Arctic Monkeys are a british We Are Scientists.
I'm not sure where you're getting it being a UK/US thing impacting my like for a band. I still like the Arctic Monkeys. I am just not going to crown them the future of rock n roll or the messiahs.

My whole point is this: Whatever a magazine says, however annoying or however much they hype something (NME i agree is ****e), it shouldn't really affect your own thoughts on music. Just because NME hypes them as much as they did, it shouldn't automatically mean you have a certain prejudice towards the band. Or if they become massive on the back of hypem it should affect the way you talk about them, and my point was it seemed to have done in your case. Thats all it was.


Feist and Ghostface are very different though. Ghostface is one of the rappers that people like Stylus and Pitchfork have made it ok for indie people to like, same as OutKast and Kanye West. Lupe Fiasco is the next one. Feist is nowhere near the commercial level. Anyway, the point above still stands, whichever the artist is in whatever genre.

You should listen to Field Music, flick through on iTunes or something. It wasn't just a random band name drop, just cos you said you like the Futureheads & They're from the same town in the UK, and one of Field Music's members was an original Futurehead member. Pretty similar style, but I'd say Field Music are more melodic and have a less stop-start style than Futureheads do on a lot of songs.

I'll up a few songs if you want?

[Skee-lo]

Kooks are barely known in the US because we have the dumbest music fans anywhere. The cornballs here would rather to panic at the disco most of the other bands you listed. At the same time Arctic Monkeys got a pretty decent push here in the states and still really didn't do that well.

2nd biggest opening week for an debut indie album?

Thats not bad though is it.

[Peter Lawford]

im a big fan. def my favortie band out now next to tv on the radio, bright eyes, and the strokes.

fukk whatever whoever says. i like their music, and they were amazing live.

[RocafellaUK]

dirty pretty things are better than artic monkeys though ...

.. i started this argument. and i just threw another spanner in the works HAHA!

[Bone Daddy]

dirty pretty things are better than artic monkeys though ...
.. i started this argument. and i just threw another spanner in the works HAHA!
And Dirty Pretty Things are not even a shadow of The Libertines.


Y'all gotta undertand in the UK vs. US thing that, although the Brits have a storied rock past, rock music is an inherently American artform. Where did the songs come from that jumpstarted the "Brit Invasion" in the first place? American songwriters. Outside of Lennon McCartney and possibly Ray Davies, what British person is regularly acknowledged as one of the greatest songwriters ever? Can't think of one. Out side of Clapton, I've never heard of a English dude being thought of as one of the best guitarists. Fact is when a British band gets popular it's been through A) luck B) ripping off established artists or C) quitting the band and becoming a DJ.

[Skee-lo]

Out side of Clapton, I've never heard of a English dude being thought of as one of the best guitarists.

Dave Gilmour?

I'll take Slash as well (he counts for the sake of this argument)

[DC]

A) luck B) ripping off established artists or C) quitting the band and becoming a DJ.

ohh fukk off :laugh:

[Bone Daddy]

Dave Gilmour?
I'll take Slash as well (he counts for the sake of this argument)
Dave Gilmour? Nah kid.HE ain't that good, unless you're a massive acid head who can't get beyond Dark Side of the Moon. And Slash is an over rated guitar player.