Nirvana: Nevermind vs. In Utero

[Brooklyn329]

Which album is better and why?

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

I've thought about this before. I probably listen to In Utero more than almost any album I own, but I wouldn't have bought In Utero if it wasn't for Nevermind. I just think that they were equally great in their own way. Nevermind was the greatest over-produced commercial rock record of the last 25 years, whereas, In Utero was the greatest commercial punk record of the last 25 years.

[remhova]

My Favorite Was Unplugged.

[Brooklyn329]

If I may bring this thread out of retirement:

I love both albums. But In Utero has a couple of very obvious filler tracks on it, namely "Very Ape" and "Tourette's". Nevermind has no filler. In Utero also has "Scentless Apprentice", which IMO is flat out wack. However, "Breed" fukks up what otherwise would have been a flawless first side of Nevermind. I don't know, it's hard to say.

I have to check out the Unplugged album though.

[Clem]

I've thought about this before. I probably listen to In Utero more than almost any album I own, but I wouldn't have bought In Utero if it wasn't for Nevermind. I just think that they were equally great in their own way. Nevermind was the greatest over-produced commercial rock record of the last 25 years, whereas, In Utero was the greatest commercial punk record of the last 25 years.
What is the criteria for a commercial punk record?

[Trojanman]

nevermind. no doubt. in utero ain't sh!t.

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

What is the criteria for a commercial punk record?

Being out and out abrasive, and hiring Steve Albini, but being able to go platinum thanks to your last album being the best commercial alternative record of the last 25 years.



Brooklyn 329, "Scentless Apprentice" is one of the best songs off of In Utero & features the best riff off of the whole album. Very Ape & Tourettes is songs that definitely grow on you. They're two of my favorites now.

[Clem]

Being out and out abrasive, and hiring Steve Albini, but being able to go platinum thanks to your last album being the best commercial alternative record of the last 25 years.
Brooklyn 329, "Scentless Apprentice" is one of the best songs off of In Utero & features the best riff off of the whole album. Very Ape & Tourettes is songs that definitely grow on you. They're two of my favorites now.
So, it actually selling?

I mean At the Drive-In, Refused, Fugazi, all released better records and are better bands. That's not even me going into like regular bands those are just iconic figures. Saying Nirvana is the best at anything is a pretty crazy statement.

[mansell]

I like insecticide more than both...

but i can't make a pick between nevermind and inutero...but i might go with nevermind since "lithium" is probably my favorite nirvana song and I had that cd longer.

[Battlechild]

yeah you can't do this to me cuz I can't decide lol......... too hard of a choice for me I love both albums.............

[Brooklyn329]

Being out and out abrasive, and hiring Steve Albini, but being able to go platinum thanks to your last album being the best commercial alternative record of the last 25 years.
Brooklyn 329, "Scentless Apprentice" is one of the best songs off of In Utero & features the best riff off of the whole album. Very Ape & Tourettes is songs that definitely grow on you. They're two of my favorites now.

Oh I like "Very Ape" and "Tourette's", don't get me wrong, it's just obvious that they were meant to fill the time quota. As for "Scentless Apprentice", if you dig it then cool, but, I don't know, it's kind of a let down after the brilliant "Serve the Servants" (which is currently fighting "Come As You Are" for the title of my favorite Nirvana song period.)

On a side note, Nevermind dropped 15 years ago today, on September 24, 1991. (The 13th anniversary of In Utero's release was this past Thursday.)

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

So, it actually selling?
I mean At the Drive-In, Refused, Fugazi, all released better records and are better bands. That's not even me going into like regular bands those are just iconic figures. Saying Nirvana is the best at anything is a pretty crazy statement.

I said "commercial" didn't I? None of those bands fit that description

You'll never win an argument with indie snobs, because they'll never admit that a record that sold a sh*t load of records actually deserved to sell the amount it did. That's why I aint gonna argue with you on that.

[Clem]

I said "commercial" didn't I? None of those bands fit that description
You'll never win an argument with indie snobs, because they'll never admit that a record that sold a sh*t load of records actually deserved to sell the amount it did. That's why I aint gonna argue with you on that.
That's why I asked what made a commercial punk record. An indie snob I am not.

[skanky80]

Name some other "commercial" punk records from the past 25 years or so then, I'm curious as to what you see as "commercial" punk rock.

[slade]

Scentless Apprentice is my favorite song on In Utero, those drums kick ass!

[The Great White Hype]

Nirvana is "punk rock"? That's news to me.

BTW, their unplugged album was the best.

[Brooklyn329]

Scentless Apprentice is my favorite song on In Utero, those drums kick ass!

Yeah that's what they hired Albini for, he came through. But even though those drums bang, I still dont like the song all that much, Kurt is on some primal scream therapy shyt and it sucks.

"Smells Like Teen Spirit", "In Bloom", and "Come As You Are" may very well be the best opening trilogy I've ever heard on an album though.

[Bone Daddy]

In Utero is miles ahead of Nevermind. NEvermind has been so hyped for so long people forget that outside the singles the album is pretty much a piece of sh!t. It's quite possible that Nirvana is the second most over=rated band ever, after the Beatles.

[Clem]

Name some other "commercial" punk records from the past 25 years or so then, I'm curious as to what you see as "commercial" punk rock.
That's what I am trying to figure out.

In Utero is miles ahead of Nevermind. NEvermind has been so hyped for so long people forget that outside the singles the album is pretty much a piece of sh!t. It's quite possible that Nirvana is the second most over=rated band ever, after the Beatles.
Yup.

Nirvana
The Doors
Radiohead
The Velvet Underground
The Beatles

[Brooklyn329]

NEvermind has been so hyped for so long people forget that outside the singles the album is pretty much a piece of sh!t.

Gotta disagree with you on this man. The only truly wack song (or not as good as the others) on Nevermind is Breed IMO. But at least I can bump Nevermind all the way through. I have to fight not to skip "Scentless Apprentice". But Lithium, Polly, On A Plain, Drain You, Something in the Way, these are wack? Can't cosign that.

I will agree that In Utero is a much more mature work. It's fukked up that Kurt died because they had the potential to make even better albums down the road.

[Bone Daddy]

Gotta disagree with you on this man. The only truly wack song (or not as good as the others) on Nevermind is Breed IMO. But at least I can bump Nevermind all the way through. I have to fight not to skip "Scentless Apprentice". But Lithium, Polly, On A Plain, Drain You, Something in the Way, these are wack? Can't cosign that.
I will agree that In Utero is a much more mature work. It's fukked up that Kurt died because they had the potential to make even better albums down the road.
mature= Better. End story.

Nevermind is a juvenile, b!tch at my past album. All of y'all hating on emo all the time should listen to that sh!t, it's less effective version of what everyone's hating on these days. Nevermind is whiner music, In Utero is a grown up album. Angst is only good if it can be articulated, that's what In Utero does, articulates angst and rage. nevermind's purpose is hazy and diffuse. Plus lyrically and melodically, In Utero has it all over Nevermind.

[Brooklyn329]

mature= Better. End story.
Nevermind is a juvenile, b!tch at my past album. All of y'all hating on emo all the time should listen to that sh!t, it's less effective version of what everyone's hating on these days. Nevermind is whiner music, In Utero is a grown up album. Angst is only good if it can be articulated, that's what In Utero does, articulates angst and rage. nevermind's purpose is hazy and diffuse. Plus lyrically and melodically, In Utero has it all over Nevermind.

Interesting.

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Name some other "commercial" punk records from the past 25 years or so then, I'm curious as to what you see as "commercial" punk rock.


Think about a band that the gets by media/industry classified as "punk". Then think about the ones that actually sell records. Think Green Day, Offspring, & bands in that vein, that aren't considered "punk" by snobs, but are considered "punk" by mainstream standards.

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

mature= Better. End story.
Nevermind is a juvenile, b!tch at my past album. All of y'all hating on emo all the time should listen to that sh!t, it's less effective version of what everyone's hating on these days. Nevermind is whiner music, In Utero is a grown up album. Angst is only good if it can be articulated, that's what In Utero does, articulates angst and rage. nevermind's purpose is hazy and diffuse. Plus lyrically and melodically, In Utero has it all over Nevermind.


No, Emo does suck, and compared to that Eddie Vedder & Kurt Cobain sound better every day.

Nirvana's "On A Plain">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>every Emo song ever made.

[cbrezi]

In Utero is the better album. It is the album Kurt Cobain wanted to release mostly as a f@ck off to all of his "new" fans after the massive commercial success of Nevermind. The rumor was he wanted to release a completely hardcore album to throw off the fake fans. You can hear that when you listen to many of the tracks that most people hate, ie. very ape, tourettes, radio friendly unit shifter, frances farmer will have her revenge on seattle. four of my fav's.

[Bone Daddy]

No, Emo does suck, and compared to that Eddie Vedder & Kurt Cobain sound better every day.
Nirvana's "On A Plain">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>every Emo song ever made.
Yes, Emo sucks for the most part but so does Nevermind.

[mansell]

Yes, Emo sucks for the most part but so does Nevermind.
come on man be real


in bloom
come as you are
polly
smell like teen spirit
lithium

how can an album with all these classics suck...

[Bone Daddy]

come on man be real
in bloom
come as you are
polly
smell like teen spirit
lithium
how can an album with all these classics suck...
Because the rest of it is utter trash. Half a great album does not mean the whole thing is.


Nevermind will always be over-rated because of the era. It hardly ever happens that one group can come along and destroy a whole genre (hair metal) in one fell swoop, but that's really what Nirvana did. Not grunge as a whole, because all those other bands, rode the coattails of Nirvana.

[mansell]

Because the rest of it is utter trash. Half a great album does not mean the whole thing is.
Nevermind will always be over-rated because of the era. It hardly ever happens that one group can come along and destroy a whole genre (hair metal) in one fell swoop, but that's really what Nirvana did. Not grunge as a whole, because all those other bands, rode the coattails of Nirvana.
nah man...i think nevermind had that success because it had mad pop appeal but it was still rawer than the hair metal shyt, which is crap for real, save some of the power ballad stuff :yes: ...

but yea, alice in chains was on their way to blowing before nirvana came, soudgarden was too, mudhoney already had a hit and eventually pearl jam would too...

i know what you're saying about the album being overrated though, but u have to give it alot of props off it's influence, that album got me and alot of other people into rock

[skanky80]

Think about a band that the gets by media/industry classified as "punk". Then think about the ones that actually sell records. Think Green Day, Offspring, & bands in that vein, that aren't considered "punk" by snobs, but are considered "punk" by mainstream standards.

The whole concept of "commercial" punk rock just doesnt make sense to me.

And if you mean it by that, then big deal. Making the best "commercial" punk record over garbage like Green Day and The Offspring is nothing to be proud of.

[Copper Scroll]

I like all of both albums.

I like half of Incesticide too.

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

The whole concept of "commercial" punk rock just doesnt make sense to me.

And if you mean it by that, then big deal. Making the best "commercial" punk record over garbage like Green Day and The Offspring is nothing to be proud of.

Making an album that has 7 songs in constant rotation on damn near every rock station in America 15 years after it was made, and inspiring a whole generation of people to love rock music is something to be proud of. There is probably not a band that ever existed other than Led Zepplin, The Beatles, and The Rolling Stones that have probably pulled that off.

[Brooklyn329]

In Utero is the better album. It is the album Kurt Cobain wanted to release mostly as a f@ck off to all of his "new" fans after the massive commercial success of Nevermind. The rumor was he wanted to release a completely hardcore album to throw off the fake fans. You can hear that when you listen to many of the tracks that most people hate, ie. very ape, tourettes, radio friendly unit shifter, frances farmer will have her revenge on seattle. four of my fav's.

RFUS is still a great song despite all the purposeful feedback and noise on it. That's my favorite riff on my album. I've said how I felt about "Very Ape" and "Tourette's" already, good but obvious filler, and I like FFWHHROS.

My personal top 3 on each album:

Nevermind: "Teen Spirit", "Come as You Are", "Lithium"

Honorable mentions: "On A Plain", "Lounge Act" (RIDICULOUS bassline)

In Utero: Serve the Servants, Radio Friendly Unit Shifter, Rape Me

Honorable mentions: "All Apologies", (riff is brilliant) "Heart Shaped Box"

[Trojanman]

In Utero is the better album. It is the album Kurt Cobain wanted to release mostly as a f@ck off to all of his "new" fans after the massive commercial success of Nevermind. The rumor was he wanted to release a completely hardcore album to throw off the fake fans. You can hear that when you listen to many of the tracks that most people hate, ie. very ape, tourettes, radio friendly unit shifter, frances farmer will have her revenge on seattle. four of my fav's.


man.... from what i read, the in utero that was released wasn't the one nirvana originally intented to have out. the original one was rejected by the record company. interscope told them to re-record the record because they felt it was wack.

most of ya sound like nirvana d!ckriders on the real. in utero was corny. most of ya saying nevermind overrated because it got mad commercial success. i don't think nevermind was MADE with the intention of being a platnium success. it just HAPPENED to be one of those sick records with underground and commercial appeal. it deserves all its props.

[E-X-P-L-I-C-I-T]

Nevermind was better

[Brooklyn329]

man.... from what i read, the in utero that was released wasn't the one nirvana originally intented to have out. the original one was rejected by the record company. interscope told them to re-record the record because they felt it was wack.
most of ya sound like nirvana d!ckriders on the real. in utero was corny. most of ya saying nevermind overrated because it got mad commercial success. i don't think nevermind was MADE with the intention of being a platnium success. it just HAPPENED to be one of those sick records with underground and commercial appeal. it deserves all its props.

Thank you. NO ONE expected Nevermind to sell as much as it did. Geffen and them thought they would sell 200,000 or something like that by September of 1992. But Nirvana's buzz was huge, in England and here, just by touring. And of course, it was helped by that brilliant song with the corniest title ever.

[Trojanman]

Thank you. NO ONE expected Nevermind to sell as much as it did. Geffen and them thought they would sell 200,000 or something like that by September of 1992. But Nirvana's buzz was huge, in England and here, just by touring. And of course, it was helped by that brilliant song with the corniest title ever.


these guys crack me up. they'll deny a sickness of a record if that sh!t went platnium 90 times and when most people like it. nevermind is ONE of the few records EVER to be critically acclaimed, publicly acclaimed and be a commercial and underground success. word up.... that's one of the records that deserved its due. a lot of records done came out and were highly underappreciate, never went gold, never went platnium and are forgotten.

[skanky80]

Stop talking like you know anything about music