"Jay...Stop Sittin In That Office B....N*gga's Is Mad at You"- Method Man

[((ReFleX))]

"nothin against the roots...or nas...but theirs alot of hungry muthafukka's that deserve those slots. the roots had a deal...nas had a deal. jay...go out there...stop sittin in that office b...you know you a street n*gga...go outthere & find that talent...n*gga's is mad at you. stop signing all these established artists already...lets go out there and get some of these hard grindin hungry muthafukka's. n*gga's is mad....they feel like new york aint being represented right cause the right n*gga's aint being heard, and i gotta agree.


http://www.thebreakdown.tv/main/season2/methodman2-3.html


fast forward to 13:30

[Cam'run Miles]

Somebody made a thread bout this interview but I didnt check it out yet.But thats some real talk.XXL says Jay signed Troy Ave from BK.Ive seen his video on Rap City but I never heard of him before.Troy Ave says hes sold 50,000 cds on his own.

[50stanPolice]

In terms of quality music and selling records who would you sign? Maino from Brooklyn or Nas? Would you sign Chris and Neef's cousin Pookie or The Roots?

Maybe if every up and comming MC in NY didn't sound like a generic mixtape rapper then they would get signed? Meth should be screaming about Redman's album not Joe Blow from SI not having a deal. Why isnt the Wu signing up and coming rappers then?

[SUGEKNIGHTJR.]

METH wouldn't be saying that if he was a TOP PRIORITY at DEF JAM...

and his dumbass should realize it's LA REID whom calls the shot, JAY is basically there for CREATIVE INPUT..

[andrea450]

It seems his point is "go out and find new talent"...and I can see that, but the problem is businesses aren't trying to put all the effort and money into a spanking new artist most of the time. (and while Jay's the president...it ain't Jay Records)

[Micgnatize]

:mad: damn.. meth is one of my fav... too bad he is reduced to complaining....


LET METH SHINE

[HILLAFFILIATED]

That is why being indepedent is the way to go more money and less problems

checkout
http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=728206

[MRMARCUS07]

Thats why NY keep losing right there...:dry:

[((ReFleX))]

In terms of quality music and selling records who would you sign? Maino from Brooklyn or Nas? Would you sign Chris and Neef's cousin Pookie or The Roots?

Maybe if every up and comming MC in NY didn't sound like a generic mixtape rapper then they would get signed? Meth should be screaming about Redman's album not Joe Blow from SI not having a deal. Why isnt the Wu signing up and coming rappers then?
i really don't think wu is in a position to be signing mc's. but they have done all they can....just look at all the artists they put on. you can't even count how many mc's are apart apart of the wu fam. they let alot of dudes use their name when they didn't even have to. jay is in a position to sign ANYBODY he wants. i'm glad he signed the roots & nas...i think they're gonna drop heat. but i still think jay should go out there and sign some up & comin mc's. go find that talent...it's like he's too lazy...he's become like these white a & r's. just signing any no talent bum and tryin to make the quickest money off whatever gimmick is hot at the time.

[SUGEKNIGHTJR.]

It seems his point is "go out and find new talent"...and I can see that, but the problem is businesses aren't trying to put all the effort and money into a spanking new artist most of the time. (and while Jay's the president...it ain't Jay Records)

who said N.Y got any N.Y talent....50stanpolice said it best bunch of generic ass mixtape rappers, them SMACK DVD' mcees all come out of a factory...like they were cloned.

same subject matter, same tired ass background story, same cliche' sucking off a mixtape deejay hustle ..nothing unique or the least bit intresting about these cats, and the most important thing is...THEY CAN'T MAKE ANY SONGS!!

they can freestyle thier ass off, but they can't write hooks for shyt!

[FLAGRANT]

Yeah Meth need to fall back wit all the complaining, NY rappers are not popping like that, they all sound the same generic mixtape rappers, but if thats true he signed Troy Ave thats aight and it was a while ago but he signed Sam Scarfo too. What sense does that make to jus go sign alot of NY nig*as cause they hungry and grinding but they product is average thats not good business, Meth need to fall back and get his own product tighter and try to get his hunger back, hes nothing now honestly

OUT

[50stanPolice]

i really don't think wu is in a position to be signing mc's. but they have done all they can....just look at all the artists they put on. you can't even count how many mc's are apart apart of the wu fam. they let alot of dudes use their name when they didn't even have to. jay is in a position to sign ANYBODY he wants. i'm glad he signed the roots & nas...i think they're gonna drop heat. but i still think jay should go out there and sign some up & comin mc's. go find that talent...it's like he's too lazy...he's become like these white a & r's. just signing any no talent bum and tryin to make the quickest money off whatever gimmick is hot at the time. jay needs to stop with that $hit.

They put on a bunch of people and then ditched them. They kind of gave up on the GraveDiggaz quick (I know other factors were part of that), they gave up on the Killa Beez and Rza pretty much **** all over Warcloud, Where are the Wu-Gambinos? What about that kid that use to rap with them? If Meth is going to complain about not helping out the little doods then he needs to help out himself too. Like he couldn't work out a meeting with someone at Def Jam for someone he thinks is nice?

The same people who ***** about Jay not signing unknown people are the same people who are quick to say 'oh so and so flopped' Jeezy and Rhinana were pretty much unknown till they signed to Def Jam. Even established artists flop like Bleek and the Young Gunz...he is in the biz to sell records. Not to sign people who sound like Big L in 95.

[Setaholic]

Need to do what 50 did...he had Power of a Dollar and Guess Who's Back. Every NY rapper is trying to put out a mixtape, when they should be trying to put out a 12 ro 13 track LP. Have everyone talking about them all the out to Compton.

[andrea450]

who said N.Y got any N.Y talent....50stanpolice said it best bunch of generic ass mixtape rappers, them SMACK DVD' mcees all come out of a factory...like they were cloned.
same subject matter, same tired ass background story, same cliche' sucking off a mixtape deejay hustle ..nothing unique or the least bit intresting about these cats, and the most important thing is...THEY CAN'T MAKE ANY SONGS!!
they can freestyle thier ass off, but they can't write hooks for shyt!


I know ya'll listen to all kinds of mixtapes and are all experted out on the subject...but there's talent in NY that you've never heard of, and it seems like that was duke's point.

[50stanPolice]

I know ya'll listen to all kinds of mixtapes and are all experted out on the subject...but there's talent in NY that you've never heard of, and it seems like that was duke's point.

I am sure there is. There is talent EVERYWHERE. The problem is the talent that is putting themselves out there, the ones "hustling" :dry: are the ones on some generic ass ****. Either its a freestyle on a mixtape about busting guns or its a freestyle on a smack DVD about selling crack.

Jay big ups Lupe, hate him or love him he IS doing something different than everyone else. Whether he makes a song about skateboard or not it is different than pushing crack on the block with a glock when its hot like lava rock.

[andrea450]

Need to do what 50 did...he had Power of a Dollar and Guess Who's Back. Every NY rapper is trying to put out a mixtape, when they should be trying to put out a 12 ro 13 track LP. Have everyone talking about them all the out to Compton.


Part of the problem is that everyone and their mama has been trying to capture the same flame that 50 did....mafukkas need to start doing what they do to the fullest and stop trying to match another mafukkas blueprint...the problem is, big money is looking to find the duplicate of what they have already seen work...and they kill an idea, and the pressure on the new cats is to be just like a cat that is already established. It takes A LOT of will and luck to resist and get past that pressure.

[Kanekash]

Who singed Cory Gunz? Cause that guy is the yougnest, hungriest dude in the scene right now. Then again, I'm think his name might have helped his success.

[FLAGRANT]

The same people who ***** about Jay not signing unknown people are the same people who are quick to say 'oh so and so flopped' Jeezy and Rhinana were pretty much unknown till they signed to Def Jam. Even established artists flop like Bleek and the Young Gunz...he is in the biz to sell records. Not to sign people who sound like Big L in 95.

c/s

[((ReFleX))]

They put on a bunch of people and then ditched them. They kind of gave up on the GraveDiggaz quick (I know other factors were part of that), they gave up on the Killa Beez and Rza pretty much **** all over Warcloud, Where are the Wu-Gambinos? What about that kid that use to rap with them? If Meth is going to complain about not helping out the little doods then he needs to help out himself too. Like he couldn't work out a meeting with someone at Def Jam for someone he thinks is nice?


The same people who ***** about Jay not signing unknown people are the same people who are quick to say 'oh so and so flopped' Jeezy and Rhinana were pretty much unknown till they signed to Def Jam. Even established artists flop like Bleek and the Young Gunz...he is in the biz to sell records. Not to sign people who sound like Big L in 95.
yeah, but wu let all them dudes use their name when they were one of the biggest acts in hip-hop. it aint up to wu to hold their hand through the whole $hit...once you get put on it's up to you to get on your grind and make it happen.

i doubt meth could make anything happen at def jam. you think they're gonna let meth put somebody on, when his OWN album flopped. hell nah. and yeah, i know jay's in the business to make money, but he can make money while puttin out some nice mc's. he could help bring hip-hop back, but instead he's helpin to kill it. why not sign a group like dead prez..they got mainstream appeal, and their nice as fukk. jay wanna praise all these nice mc's, then turn around and sign some bubble gum rappers.

[Funky Finger Prod.]

They put on a bunch of people and then ditched them. They kind of gave up on the GraveDiggaz quick (I know other factors were part of that), they gave up on the Killa Beez and Rza pretty much **** all over Warcloud, Where are the Wu-Gambinos? What about that kid that use to rap with them? If Meth is going to complain about not helping out the little doods then he needs to help out himself too. Like he couldn't work out a meeting with someone at Def Jam for someone he thinks is nice?
The same people who ***** about Jay not signing unknown people are the same people who are quick to say 'oh so and so flopped' Jeezy and Rhinana were pretty much unknown till they signed to Def Jam. Even established artists flop like Bleek and the Young Gunz...he is in the biz to sell records. Not to sign people who sound like Big L in 95.
Here's some broad RZA has been doing tracks for
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21469

[andrea450]

I am sure there is. There is talent EVERYWHERE. The problem is the talent that is putting themselves out there, the ones "hustling" :dry: are the ones on some generic ass ****. Either its a freestyle on a mixtape about busting guns or its a freestyle on a smack DVD about selling crack.
Jay big ups Lupe, hate him or love him he IS doing something different than everyone else. Whether he makes a song about skateboard or not it is different than pushing crack on the block with a glock when its hot like lava rock.

Money! That's what I'm saying. Is sounds like he is telling Jay to go out and find the talent that is out there...not just sign up cats that come to him.

[mic majestic]

Meth has a point, Loon actually said something similar when he spoke of Jay-Z. The problem is no one is going out to find talent anymore. Basically the labels want to know how many units has an unsigned artist moved on their own, and how many BDS spins an artist is getting. Getting radio spins costs money, especially in NY. So you probably gotta be in good with a popular DJ (i.e. Papoose). Since there are rappers falling out of the sky in NY, and so much hating, its hard for any one artist to move major units. Especially if said artist isn't doing anything creative to distinguish his product from the next person. In NY instead of looking for someone who is moving major units on their own (because it seems no one is) it seems like they look more at the battle circuit and street credibility. However many of those battle mc's and thug turned rappers who get signed still don't have a musical buzz. Dudes like Jae Millz, Sam Scarfo, Tru Life and Maino don't have fanbases.

[mansell]

lol, mef is still a funny dude...he has a way to speak the truth without coming across like an asshole

[phemom]

It seems his point is "go out and find new talent"...and I can see that, but the problem is businesses aren't trying to put all the effort and money into a spanking new artist most of the time. (and while Jay's the president...it ain't Jay Records)

Co-Signage...

I see Meth's point on this one to an extent. Why can't you sign and help both? If you get picked up let them sit on the bench for a minute but get them on records here or there to build some buzz. With all that talent, there is no reason we shouldn't be hearing more new artists & collabs btw albums.

....Def Jam still has the same problems they had before Jay/LA Reid got there. Artists with fanbases sitting on the shelf for too long (Red,Joe,N.O.R.E, Slick Rick?), waiting too long to release albums, therefore they fail (Shawnna(again), Rick Ross, Ghostface). Signing wack artists (Young Leek,Sam Scarfo, And promoting albums the pushing back way too far away and losing our attention(Freeway,Black Buddafly, Cory Gunz). They need to tighten up....but it won't happen cause IDJ will be on a roll after the 4th quarter the roots(critically, their not judged on sales), Nas, Fab, Luda & possibly Hov's comeback.

...It's messed up the Jay is the only that takes the blame for all of this. How do we know that he's the one giving the greenlight?

[50stanPolice]

yeah, but wu let all them dudes use their name when they were one of the biggest acts in hip-hop. it aint up to wu to hold their hand through the whole $hit...once you get put on it's up to you to get on your grind and make it happen.
i doubt meth could make anything happen at def jam. you think they're gonna let meth put somebody on, when his OWN album flopped. hell nah. and yeah, i know jay's in the business to make money, but he can make money while puttin out some nice mc's. he could help bring hip-hop back, but instead he's helpin to kill it. why not sign a group like dead prez..they got mainstream appeal, and their nice as fukk. jay wanna praise all these nice mc's, then turn around and sign some bubble gum rappers.

Is it Jay's job to hold the hand of unknown MCs in New York? Hungry doesn't always equal good music. Meth wants him to blow up some hungry guys...well in order to blow them up they have to make music that will appeal to the masses. Most mixtape MCs cannot do that. Joe Budden is hungry and can rap his ass off on mixtapes but can't create those mainstream hits that sell records.

Meth could introduce MCs to A&Rs, producers, people in the industry he knows. Nas was a slave at Sony yet he was able to get Cormega a deal at Def Jam because of who he knows in the industry. If Meth knows all these hungry people why isn't he taking them to the Def Jam offices to meet people? Meth is friends with EVERYONE in the industry. Can't he get him to work with Luda? Maybe he could get him to work with Jermaine Dupri? How about Mary J? Why arent these hungry MCs on Meth's album coming out? Why werent they on the last one? Jay signed Cory Gunz and Sam Scarfo but they aint working out. Are those guys not good and hungry? Or are the only hungry people the ones Meth likes?

Signing the Roots isn't putting good hip hop to the forefront? Getting Nas on board to do joints with himself and Premier is not helping hip hop? You guys expect him to be super hip hop savior. Things take time. Why people expect him to be able to develop an artist from scratch overnight I dunno. Only Jay would be asked to do this. No one is complaining to Jimmy Iovine or even the guy who really runs Def Jam, LA Reid.

[Mr Money $hot]

I am sure there is. There is talent EVERYWHERE. The problem is the talent that is putting themselves out there, the ones "hustling" :dry: are the ones on some generic ass ****. Either its a freestyle on a mixtape about busting guns or its a freestyle on a smack DVD about selling crack.
Jay big ups Lupe, hate him or love him he IS doing something different than everyone else. Whether he makes a song about skateboard or not it is different than pushing crack on the block with a glock when its hot like lava rock.


lol thats a candidate for a Rae line right there

[((ReFleX))]

Is it Jay's job to hold the hand of unknown MCs in New York? Hungry doesn't always equal good music. Meth wants him to blow up some hungry guys...well in order to blow them up they have to make music that will appeal to the masses. Most mixtape MCs cannot do that. Joe Budden is hungry and can rap his ass off on mixtapes but can't create those mainstream hits that sell records.

Meth could introduce MCs to A&Rs, producers, people in the industry he knows. Nas was a slave at Sony yet he was able to get Cormega a deal at Def Jam because of who he knows in the industry. If Meth knows all these hungry people why isn't he taking them to the Def Jam offices to meet people? Meth is friends with EVERYONE in the industry. Can't he get him to work with Luda? Maybe he could get him to work with Jermaine Dupri? How about Mary J? Why arent these hungry MCs on Meth's album coming out? Why werent they on the last one? Jay signed Cory Gunz and Sam Scarfo but they aint working out. Are those guys not good and hungry? Or are the only hungry people the ones Meth likes?

Signing the Roots isn't putting good hip hop to the forefront? Getting Nas on board to do joints with himself and Premier is not helping hip hop? You guys expect him to be super hip hop savior. Things take time. Why people expect him to be able to develop an artist from scratch overnight I dunno. Only Jay would be asked to do this. No one is complaining to Jimmy Iovine or even the guy who really runs Def Jam, LA Reid.
i alread said i'm glad he signed the roots & nas. that's where i disagree with meth. but we gotta see how those albums play out to really make a judgment. signing nas really aint $hit when you think about it...nas already had a name. his only problem was puttin out a single that appealed to the mainstream. he could've done that on his own....it aint like he needed jay to save his career or somethin. jay signed nas, not only cause it would help nas, but cause it would help him. that $hit created alot of buzz.


and we really don't know if meth helps his people in the industry...it's more than just meetin some industry cats. either a label is gonna let you shine or they're not. look at all the legends that get no respect anymore. red, meth, ghost, dmx....all these dudes can't even get shine and they been puttin in work for years. these are mc's that put out classics. and all of them have called out either jay or def jam on their shady tactics. it aint no coincidence....they all on the label. they witness the $hit first hand.

[mic majestic]

Is it Jay's job to hold the hand of unknown MCs in New York? Hungry doesn't always equal good music. Meth wants him to blow up some hungry guys...well in order to blow them up they have to make music that will appeal to the masses. Most mixtape MCs cannot do that. Joe Budden is hungry and can rap his ass off on mixtapes but can't create those mainstream hits that sell records.
Meth could introduce MCs to A&Rs, producers, people in the industry he knows. Nas was a slave at Sony yet he was able to get Cormega a deal at Def Jam because of who he knows in the industry. If Meth knows all these hungry people why isn't he taking them to the Def Jam offices to meet people? Meth is friends with EVERYONE in the industry. Can't he get him to work with Luda? Maybe he could get him to work with Jermaine Dupri? How about Mary J? Why arent these hungry MCs on Meth's album coming out? Why werent they on the last one? Jay signed Cory Gunz and Sam Scarfo but they aint working out. Are those guys not good and hungry? Or are the only hungry people the ones Meth likes?
Signing the Roots isn't putting good hip hop to the forefront? Getting Nas on board to do joints with himself and Premier is not helping hip hop? You guys expect him to be super hip hop savior. Things take time. Why people expect him to be able to develop an artist from scratch overnight I dunno. Only Jay would be asked to do this. No one is complaining to Jimmy Iovine or even the guy who really runs Def Jam, LA Reid.

Your right about unrealistic expectations placed on Jay. But Jay brought this upon himself though. He must have been aware that the expectations placed on his head would be greater than the average person. We all listened to his music where he talked himself up like he is this streetsmart super saavy businessman. We all gave him respect because his raps were considered to be more credible than the average flossy hustler/rapper. Face it, NYC bought in to the Jay-Z rapper persona, so Jay-Z is expected to thrive as an executive.

[El Pene En Tu Boca]

out that whole interview "Stop sittin in that office..." is all you heard

I swear....yall b1tch ass n1ggas d1cks get hard over stupid sh1t

[50stanPolice]

Your right about unrealistic expectations placed on Jay. But Jay brought this upon himself though. He must have been aware that the expectations placed on his head would be greater than the average person. We all listened to his music where he talked himself up like he is this streetsmart super saavy businessman. We all gave him respect because his raps were considered to be more credible than the average flossy hustler/rapper. Face it, NYC bought in to the Jay-Z rapper persona, so Jay-Z is expected to thrive as an executive.

No doubt. When you are hyping yourself up as the MJ of rap, as a super business man hustler, etc you are going to place high expectations on yourself. The problem is people are looking at this as Def Jay records. He plays a certain role. Jay's job is not to comb the streets of Brooklyn looking for hungry MCs. He makes decisions. They have A&Rs and artist development teams doing **** like that. Jay doesn't go out to the streets, find the talent, then teach them how to rap, then develop them as an artist, then make the calls to the producers to make the album, then oversee it, and then go out to market it. This is what SOHH expects him to do, it is kinda weird when we have plenty of grown ass men who know corporations do not operate like that.

Reflex I understand what you are getting at but the president is handed artists to look at by others. It never is and never will be his job to actually go out himself and find people. He is in business meetings and sitting at a desk, that is his job. Dont get me wrong. I don't disagree with seeing more raw NY type representers but there is a problem 1) 99% of em are on the same **** tryna be the next 50 cent and 2) Meth's stoner ass knows how the business works and how he is talking makes it sound as if he doesnt. Meth knows the A&Rs at Def Jam, go push all these guys he knows to them. People hand artists for Jay to look at and he says yay or nay and THEN LA Reid says yay or nay.

No one is asking LA Reid to go into the streets to look for talent. Jimmy Iovine is not hanging out in the Queensbridge Projects looking for talent. Top Jew AKA Lyor Cohen is not in the 5th Ward looking for his next big act. Just cuz Jay was in the streets at 18 and was a rapper does not change the role of president in a corporation.

[Tybo]

Need to do what 50 did...he had Power of a Dollar and Guess Who's Back. Every NY rapper is trying to put out a mixtape, when they should be trying to put out a 12 ro 13 track LP. Have everyone talking about them all the out to Compton.
BINGO!!!!!!!!! i rep NY to the fullest but i gotta admit, these mixtape emcees are he most one dimensional dudes ever!!! make an album even if its an EP. shop that shyt. if these niqqas made a mood musiq 2 they would have people like us talking about them and they would get some shine. if more cats start doing that and they still don't get no love then FUKK JAY AND THE REST OF THESE LABEL EXECS!!!!!!!! until then fukk these smack dvd NY emcees!!

[((ReFleX))]

out that whole interview "Stop sittin in that office..." is all you heard
I swear....yall b1tch ass n1ggas d1cks get hard over stupid sh1t
man, stop cryin like a lil b*tch.

[50stanPolice]

man, stop cryin like a lil b*tch.

Obviously you have to have a title on your thread people are going to be like WHAT and click on to get anyone to debate so I think we understand why you posted what you did.

[((ReFleX))]

No doubt. When you are hyping yourself up as the MJ of rap, as a super business man hustler, etc you are going to place high expectations on yourself. The problem is people are looking at this as Def Jay records. He plays a certain role. Jay's job is not to comb the streets of Brooklyn looking for hungry MCs. He makes decisions. They have A&Rs and artist development teams doing **** like that. Jay doesn't go out to the streets, find the talent, then teach them how to rap, then develop them as an artist, then make the calls to the producers to make the album, then oversee it, and then go out to market it. This is what SOHH expects him to do, it is kinda weird when we have plenty of grown ass men who know corporations do not operate like that.
Reflex I understand what you are getting at but the president is handed artists to look at by others. It never is and never will be his job to actually go out himself and find people. He is in business meetings and sitting at a desk, that is his job. Dont get me wrong. I don't disagree with seeing more raw NY type representers but there is a problem 1) 99% of em are on the same **** tryna be the next 50 cent and 2) Meth's stoner ass knows how the business works and how he is talking makes it sound as if he doesnt. Meth knows the A&Rs at Def Jam, go push all these guys he knows to them. People hand artists for Jay to look at and he says yay or nay and THEN LA Reid says yay or nay.
No one is asking LA Reid to go into the streets to look for talent. Jimmy Iovine is not hanging out in the Queensbridge Projects looking for talent. Top Jew AKA Lyor Cohen is not in the 5th Ward looking for his next big act. Just cuz Jay was in the streets at 18 and was a rapper does not change the role of president in a corporation.
i guess i can agree with this. alot of these rappers prolly feel like jay should be helpin em out because they came up together. they were comin up in the streets tryin to get put on, and now that jay is pres of def jam it's like what's up. maybe there is alot of pressure on jay right now...and hopefully he'll improve over time...but i still think he could do a better job at gettin some nice mc's their due shine. we really gotta see how this roots album plays out. if he can help the roots get a couple video's and hit platinum, that'll be a big step forward for great hip-hop. but if this $hit gets no attention and ends up being a failure, then i don't even know...that'll be a huge negative for jay.

[((ReFleX))]

Obviously you have to have a title on your thread people are going to be like WHAT and click on to get anyone to debate so I think we understand why you posted what you did.
haha...exactly. it was a good interview but that's the $hit that stood out most. and it makes for a good discussion, so fukk it. this is a messageboard aint it.

[ALCHEMY]

Why isnt the Wu signing up and coming rappers then?


Wu Tang has put out alot of unknown producers/MC's.

[50stanPolice]

i guess i can agree with this. alot of these rappers prolly feel like jay should be helpin em out because they came up together. they were comin up in the streets tryin to get put on, and now that jay is pres of def jam it's like what's up. maybe there is alot of pressure on jay right now...and hopefully he'll improve over time...but i still think he could do a better job at gettin some nice mc's their due shine. we really gotta see how this roots album plays out. if he can help the roots get a couple video's and hit platinum, that'll be a big step forward for great hip-hop. but if this $hit gets no attention and ends up being a failure, then i don't even know...that'll be a huge negative for jay.

I can understand that. They were peers at one time so it is like they see him different. Truth be told that is not how it is now. He has moved into a different position. Right now he has two nice MCs signed to his label that need albums out before he goes to find MC crackhustla from Brooklyn. Red and Joe Budden are dope MCs. There is all kind of corporate slow down that takes place when trying to get things done so he can't just get things out as quick as people think. It is more like Def Reid records than it is Def Jay records. Co-sign on the Roots album.

Alchemy, right and they could continue to do so if Meth is expecting Jay to do something he should do something also. It reminds me of people *****ing about global warming from the seat of their hummer. Meth has plenty of connections in the industry to help these people out. He should stop passing the buck fareal.

[keon]

jay doin what he suppose to do, fukk what meth talkin bout cause he wasn't sayin that sh!t to russell

[Slice-Twice]

Is it Jay's job to hold the hand of unknown MCs in New York? Hungry doesn't always equal good music. Meth wants him to blow up some hungry guys...well in order to blow them up they have to make music that will appeal to the masses. Most mixtape MCs cannot do that. Joe Budden is hungry and can rap his ass off on mixtapes but can't create those mainstream hits that sell records.
Meth could introduce MCs to A&Rs, producers, people in the industry he knows. Nas was a slave at Sony yet he was able to get Cormega a deal at Def Jam because of who he knows in the industry. If Meth knows all these hungry people why isn't he taking them to the Def Jam offices to meet people? Meth is friends with EVERYONE in the industry. Can't he get him to work with Luda? Maybe he could get him to work with Jermaine Dupri? How about Mary J? Why arent these hungry MCs on Meth's album coming out? Why werent they on the last one? Jay signed Cory Gunz and Sam Scarfo but they aint working out. Are those guys not good and hungry? Or are the only hungry people the ones Meth likes?
Signing the Roots isn't putting good hip hop to the forefront? Getting Nas on board to do joints with himself and Premier is not helping hip hop? You guys expect him to be super hip hop savior. Things take time. Why people expect him to be able to develop an artist from scratch overnight I dunno. Only Jay would be asked to do this. No one is complaining to Jimmy Iovine or even the guy who really runs Def Jam, LA Reid.
thats the whole problem, back when cats were good, in the mid 90's you didn't need a pop sound to get on the radio, you were able to submit any song you want, check mobb deep and wu tang for example

[50stanPolice]

thats the whole problem, back when cats were good, in the mid 90's you didn't need a pop sound to get on the radio, you were able to submit any song you want, check mobb deep and wu tang for example

That is not Jay-z's problems though. That is corporate america taking over hip hop that caused that and some of that falls on us consumers for buying/listening to some of the crap.

And please people dont front like you haven't bought or got into the songs Slice is talking about :laugh:

[Absolut da poet]

too many NY nikkas sound the SAME...

no creativity...nothing NEW..

same ole I got this stashed and that tucked...

Gloc this and .45 that...

nice whips they aint never seen..places they aint never been..with the guns they aint never buss..

and if they did...who gives a f.uck ....they acting like nikkas in the hood don't know killas or nikkas that's been shot..

everybody in the hood knows somebody who's been killed...killed someone..or went to jail...so the fuk what..

shiit is wack.

[SUGEKNIGHTJR.]

jay doin what he suppose to do, fukk what meth talkin bout cause he wasn't sayin that sh!t to russell

I say that all the time, anytime i hear some byatch ass rapper complain about DEF JAM....i'm like go bark on the big homie RUSSELL, even though he is no longer active with the day to day operations, he PUT THE BALL IN MOTION for shyt like this to happen at IDJ, ever since he put Lyor on back in the 80's.

n1ggas will blame everybody from Lyor , Reid, Jay-z and Liles to the damn receptionist at the door, but they won't say shyt about RUSSELL, ...that's like blasphemy.

Like RUSSELL ain't done n1ggas dirty.............puhleeze

RUSSELL fronted on nas when Bobbito was A&R there, told em ..."nas don't have an image" true in some aspects, but that shows you DEF JAM is about marketing strictly, and Jay has to follow that course...ask CHRISTINA MILAN they tried to make the hoe a pop star, nah her punk ass wanna be hood and shyt, so they dropped her..

so why should they waste thier money on "mikey mixtape" rapper from the "boro" because he don't wanna conform to the standards set by the label as well as the direction that the music is moving in.

this sums up why JAY should ignore the so-called hungry rappers of N.Y.C...and if they was so damn hungry they would do whatever it takes to gain success, EVEN if it means conforming.

[50stanPolice]

I say that all the time, anytime i hear some byatch ass rapper complain about DEF JAM....i'm like go bark on the big homie RUSSELL, even though he is no longer active with the day to day operations, he PUT THE BALL IN MOTION for shyt like this to happen at IDJ, ever since he put Lyor on back in the 80's.
n1ggas will blame everybody from Lyor , Reid, Jay-z and Liles to the damn receptionist at the door, but they won't say shyt about RUSSELL, ...that's like blasphemy.
Like RUSSELL ain't done n1ggas dirty.............puhleeze
RUSSELL fronted on nas when Bobbito was A&R there, told em ..."nas don't have an image" true in some aspects, but that shows you DEF JAM is about marketing strictly, and Jay has to follow that course...ask CHRISTINA MILAN they tried to make the hoe a pop star, nah her punk ass wanna be hood and shyt, so they dropped her..
so why should they waste thier money on "mikey mixtape" rapper from the "boro" because he don't wanna conform to the standards set by the label as well as the direction that the music is moving in.
this sums up why JAY should ignore the so-called hungry rappers of N.Y.C...and if they was so damn hungry they would do whatever it takes to gain success, EVEN if it means conforming.

You dont mean conform cuz they are already conforming to the typical NYC mixtape rapper :laugh:

I push rocks on the block with my glock even when its hot like lava rock / out on the spot with the drop tellin doods **** or get off the pot / sippin margaritas in vegas, livin in a pad real spacious, overseas in the illest european places.

Its always on some I bust my gun, I sell crack, I have a sick whip, and I go to places other doods dont go............yet I am still grimey, broke but hustlin hard to stack alot of dough, and living in the projects with my finger on the trigger all day.

[yseJ]

one thing everybody forgets is the marketability of a certain artist.
talent is everywhere, that's true. but even if a muthufukka from projects has skills and nice lyrics, he prolly wont move units.

look at the new succesful acts (non-NY) in past several years:
Kanye, Jeezy, Paul Wall.
they have different styles and shyt. you need either a new style or a gimmick or a huge local following or many hot club singles

now who in NY is able to do that ?

[ExodusNirvana]

Suge and 50stanpolice got it right...

The NYC mixtape MCs that spit right now are garbage and no major labels are going out of their way to find talent like back in the day because it's a business now and going gold is a failure in their eyes...

Sad but true...what the Wu need to do is get back together on their 36 chambers sh*t and get that sound back. Something original...

All these cats talk about the same sh*t (gats, crack, blaaat) it's whack as f*ck at this point.

50 did the mixtape thing and blew up in 2003 and now EVERYONE in NY is doing the same thing, talking grease on these SMACK and Cocaine City DVDs and for the most part they are all TRASH...

[SUGEKNIGHTJR.]

Sad but true...what the Wu need to do is get back together on their 36 chambers sh*t and get that sound back. Something original...

All these cats talk about the same sh*t (gats, crack, blaaat) it's whack as f*ck at this point.

50 did the mixtape thing and blew up in 2003 and now EVERYONE in NY is doing the same thing, talking grease on these SMACK and Cocaine City DVDs and for the most part they are all TRASH...

Word.....man, that's why GHOSTFACE is such a breath of fresh air to me, songs like WHIP ME WITH A STARP break the monotous cliche' style that you so use to hearing from your typical n.y mcee.

Nobody want's to BE THEMSELVES in N.Y.C...

not everybody can be the kingpin or hustler....they claim they want a buzz, the best buzz is one that's created off of originality cause even if the sales aren't there a cult following will be there for life.

[alldaybroadway]

last time i seen meth he was freestylin in front of def jam lookin dusted with a bunch of demo slingers as lyor walked by without sayin a word (this was a year and some change ago)

but.....at least he's a man of the people

METH wouldn't be saying that if he was a TOP PRIORITY at DEF JAM...

and his dumbass should realize it's LA REID whom calls the shot, JAY is basically there for CREATIVE INPUT..

[50stanPolice]

the best buzz is one that's created off of originality cause even if the sales aren't there a cult following will be there for life.

See Joe Budden, Eminem, Cage, etc

Those guys all talked about things outside of selling crack and busting guns. Alot of personal type ****. The last two have a cult following like no other. Joe has his but not quite the same as the other two.

And don't think that **** isn't the same on the westcoast. You got alot of guys out here trying to be rapping gang bangers. Not everyone is a gang banger. Switch it up, bring something different. That is why I applaud the bay, a chunk of the music up there is coming out about having a good time and it is unique. You may think Going Dumb is stupid but at least it isnt what everyone else in the entire world is doing when it comes to MCing.

[redbull]

meths one of my favorites all timebut if jay took his advice & focused on hungrier rappers meth would be out of a job, his last album was garbage,a huge disappointment & he hasnt been hungry in a long time

[keon]

last time i seen meth he was freestylin in front of def jam lookin dusted with a bunch of demo slingers as lyor walked by without sayin a word (this was a year and some change ago)
but.....at least he's a man of the people



damn..lol