Untitled....The Church, God and the Devil....

[sexydeltagirl]

Hey People, I can't sleep and when this happens my mind of course gets filled with different thoughts....So here's what ya girl was thinking @ 2:54am.... :)

Some call it blasphemy...
How I sometimes curse you and...
Ask why me?
Why did you deal me this hand...
And expect me to play it without losing..
My soul in the process....
Since I left that so called place of worship...
The Devil has started to resurface...
Smiling at me like my reflection...
Its very conniving....making me think irrationally...
I know right from wrong...but wrong feels so much better...
When it gives you what you want....
So clever it appears....
It even laughs when...
I attempt to shame it with truth..
Yes, I love you GOD...
Yet our time apart has caused me to question...
My man made religion...
Do you really exist at all?
I paid my dues to sit in the front pew...
Gave you, what the preacher told me...
You were worth...
I'm put my money in the Church...
And even as I struggle to uncover the true meaning in....
The reason for your Son's thorned head and bloody body....
I wonder if you can feel your daughter hurting...
The Devil...
Has tied my hands behind my back...
Will my faith in you untie its strings?

[Irish-dipstick]

Hey People, I can't sleep and when this happens my mind of course gets filled with different thoughts....So here's what ya girl was thinking @ 2:54am.... :)

Some call it blasphemy...
How I sometimes curse you and...
Ask why me?
Why did you deal me this hand...
And expect me to play it without losing..
My soul in the process....
Since I left that so called place of worship...
The Devil has started to resurface...
Smiling at me like my reflection...
Its very conniving....making me think irrationally...
I know right from wrong...but wrong feels so much better...
When it gives you what you want....
So clever it appears....
It even laughs when...
I attempt to shame it with truth..
Yes, I love you GOD...
Yet our time apart has caused me to question...
My man made religion...
Do you really exist at all?
I paid my dues to sit in the front pew...
Gave you, what the preacher told me...
You were worth...
I'm put my money in the Church...
And even as I struggle to uncover the true meaning in....
The reason for your Son's thorned head and bloody body....
I wonder if you can feel your daughter hurting...
The Devil...
Has tied my hands behind my back...
Will my faith in you untie its strings?

itz the never ending question...nice piece.

[Conduit]

"My man made religion..." -- not sure what you mean there. Are you saying that the religion you claim is man-made, or that you've come up with your own sort of "religion" in your relationship with God? I think it'll help me to understand where you're coming from on this one a little better.

A word: don't ever give money to the church just because the preacher says so. Do what your heart leads you to do. If you're only doing it to satisfy some man's request, and you're doing it just because you're expecting something in return, then you may as well keep your dough.

[sexydeltagirl]

"My man made religion..." -- not sure what you mean there. Are you saying that the religion you claim is man-made, or that you've come up with your own sort of "religion" in your relationship with God? I think it'll help me to understand where you're coming from on this one a little better.

A word: don't ever give money to the church just because the preacher says so. Do what your heart leads you to do. If you're only doing it to satisfy some man's request, and you're doing it just because you're expecting something in return, then you may as well keep your dough.

Man made in that it has been interpeted by MAN to mean many diff things....The King James version in particular has many translation...hence the many man-made denominations....No I don't have my own religion I just believe in GOD.....

I use to attend a church that had a collection for everything...I didn't have any problems paying my due...But it become really outrageous....

I would never expect anything in return...I've been given a lot more than I have ever imagined.....

[Conduit]

The King James version in particular has many translation

The King James version only has one translation: The King James Version. There are several others, but they're all derived from the original language in which the Bible was written -- which, for the most part, to my knowledge, is Greek. People may interepret parts of it differently, but that's something else entirely. Christianity as it is today isn't based on the King James version of the Bible.... and the King James version didn't cause people to be split into different denominations... there are lots of reasons for all of the splits, most of which had to do with the people starting the denominations themselves.

Paying tithes or giving offering is not "paying dues", neither is going to Church. It's not only paying God's what's due to Him, either.

It sucks that so many of you cats in this forum have been hurt, or lied to by lame churches and lame people. It really, really sucks. My heart is with all of you, for real.

PM me.

[Absolut da poet]

the original gospels which comprise the bible as we know it today were written in Aramaic (which is now a dead language) not Greek.

It is also speculated that there are books that are either incomplete, missing, or have been altered...some say intentionally by the Catholic church (thus the ever present notion of conspiracy theorist who believe they have hidden certain information to stay in power) which also gives rise to the interest in Books such as "The DaVinci Code"

the facts remain that...Jesus was NOT a christian..

many people have been murdered throughout the course of history for what was said to be "in God's name"

none of us have ever seen the Original writings of "The Bible" we only know what we've been told.

the original authors of certain books of the bible (many being in the New Testament) didn't write those books until what is believed to be well over 100yrs after the actual events

so for those of us who do believe in God it's easy to surmise that much of what we were told was a lie...even though we still believe.

All we have is hope that one day he/she/it/or they will make this all right.

that being said Delta I'm feelin you here and may Godbless you all

[Absolut da poet]

DiD you know

that certain studies have shown that our brains only process a certain percentage of what we actually See ?

Some say the brain discards non essential information when processing sight meaning that at any given moment there are possibly a million things goin on right under our nose that we don't even see.

(this basically falls under the same premise as only being able to retain X amount of what you hear vs what you read even if its the same information)

futhermore there are others who believe that our Dreams are like a program that sorts and files this extra information basically to prevent us from overload.

just a theory tho...but I find that type of stuff interesting.

especially when you incorporate things like...religion and extra sensory perception...to me it kinda gives new meaning to phrases like being "in the zone"

or having a heightened awareness or focus...
what the mind can perceive..blah, blah, blah


is time the measurement on movement from point A to point B

or is time the distinction of an objects location in space (i.e. what time is it) ?

and if so...can any object observe and make an exact measurement of a system which it is apart of (i.e. Do fish realize or recognize the existence of water and how much there is in relation to where they are in it) ?

Does our ability to do so make us God to those Fish or the Devil ?

should the fish pray to you ?

what's the difference between us and them ?

LOL...I'm done...

[sexydeltagirl]

The King James version only has one translation: The King James Version. There are several others, but they're all derived from the original language in which the Bible was written -- which, for the most part, to my knowledge, is Greek. People may interepret parts of it differently, but that's something else entirely. Christianity as it is today isn't based on the King James version of the Bible.... and the King James version didn't cause people to be split into different denominations... there are lots of reasons for all of the splits, most of which had to do with the people starting the denominations themselves.

Paying tithes or giving offering is not "paying dues", neither is going to Church. It's not only paying God's what's due to Him, either.

It sucks that so many of you cats in this forum have been hurt, or lied to by lame churches and lame people. It really, really sucks. My heart is with all of you, for real.

PM me.

I have to disagree with you in that some churches are not following their own interpetation of the bible and creating their own denominations...I've seen it with my own eyes churches who have demonination created by a holy-er than though minister who is out to save the world...Where I come from they are everywhere....And what makes these ministers think what they are doing is okay....The Bible, and the way in which they may interpet a stripture or passage.....

Okay, You misunderstood what I said..I don't consider paying my tithes as paying dues...I'm talking about the other collections that were passed around for who knows what....And I understand that it's not paying God's due to him either...

And yes I left that particular church because I felt that Gods work wasn't being done....but I'll find my place....

[Chocolate91]

Man made in that it has been interpeted by MAN to mean many diff things....The King James version in particular has many translation...hence the many man-made denominations....No I don't have my own religion I just believe in GOD.....

I use to attend a church that had a collection for everything...I didn't have any problems paying my due...But it become really outrageous....

I would never expect anything in return...I've been given a lot more than I have ever imagined.....

Nice piece....I got poem that i wrote lyk that, when I felt like I was losing faith.
A few comments:
As far as me keeping my faith in god, I always try to remember that god gives me purpose, hope & strength. Purpose- keepin' me grounded, especially in prayer. Hope- That there is something better in the world and in heaven, despite all the kiasos that surrounds us. Strength- Through prayer, calming me down when stuck in a tight situation. Maybe these things will help you too.
And I always try to remember with any religion, the way you practice it is what makes all the difference (and course like you said b4 that is according to your interpretation of the Bible). To put this into perspective, think about the churches that talk about personal wealth (Financial) versus doing something to uplift the community, such as providing daycare, opening a community center for the youth, holding former-addicts meetings (like AA), etc.
I hope this helps in walking that fine line.

[sexydeltagirl]

Nice piece....I got poem that i wrote lyk that, when I felt like I was losing faith.
A few comments:
As far as me keeping my faith in god, I always try to remember that god gives me purpose, hope & strength. Purpose- keepin' me grounded, especially in prayer. Hope- That there is something better in the world and in heaven, despite all the kiasos that surrounds us. Strength- Through prayer, calming me down when stuck in a tight situation. Maybe these things will help you too.
And I always try to remember with any religion, the way you practice it is what makes all the difference (and course like you said b4 that is according to your interpretation of the Bible). To put this into perspective, think about the churches that talk about personal wealth (Financial) versus doing something to uplift the community, such as providing daycare, opening a community center for the youth, holding former-addicts meetings (like AA), etc.
I hope this helps in walking that fine line.

Thanks for the words girlie and when you get a chance I would love to read that poem.... :hug:

[Conduit]

I have to disagree with you in that some churches are not following their own interpetation of the bible and creating their own denominations...I've seen it with my own eyes churches who have demonination created by a holy-er than though minister who is out to save the world...Where I come from they are everywhere....And what makes these ministers think what they are doing is okay....The Bible, and the way in which they may interpet a stripture or passage.....

I think you missed what I said, so let me re-word it. The King James version of the Bible is not, in itself, the reason why so many denominations came about. The King James version, in fact, was written (I believe) after some of the major denominations already existed. It's no different from the New King James, or the NIV, or any other good translation, in that it is only a translation of the Word. There is a difference between a translation and an interpretation, and I think that's where a lot of people get confused. You and I can both read the same translation, but can interpret the Word differently... although, when it really comes down to it (and this may just be my opinion), God isn't the author of confusion, and I don't think it's His intention for you and I to read the same passage, with the right intentions and in the right Spirit, and get two wildly different messages out of it. Like, when you and I both read "Jesus wept...", I don't think it's intended for you to take that to mean "Jesus cried because he was soft" and me take it to mean "Jesus wept because he was a sore loser".

In fact, there are many parts of the Bible that are plain as day, but people say "its up to you to interpret it for yourself" just to make excuses for their own sinful behavior. Like... adultery is wrong anyway you put it -- masturbation, unpure thoughts, affairs, period. That ain't up to interpretation. Feel me? That's something else altogether.

Also, I said there are lots of reasons for all of the splits, most of which had to do with the people starting the denominations themselves. and you stated that I've seen it with my own eyes churches who have demonination created by a holy-er than though minister who is out to save the world, which is, in effect, the same thing I said... so we actually agree on that.

[Conduit]

was going through old posts... some points need to be made:

The old testament, I believe, was originally written in Aramaic, but the New Testament was originally written in (Koine or "common") Greek I believe. It's believed that Jesus, much like other jews in the area at the time, spoke both Aramaic and Greek to communicate with people around them (Pontius Pilate for example... The Passion illustrates that pretty well).

None of us have ever seen any original writings. Should we assume then that everything we know is false?

Absolut, it looks like you threw a lot out there but weren't really saying anything, just playing (for lack of a better term) devil's advocate. None of what you said, however, reflected your thoughts on any of this, just some stuffyou read/heard. What's true to you?