What are some ALTERNATIVES for SODA?

[Taikun]

ya we know water...is juice ok...etc

[Jaysundotcom]

Think yo

I refuse to believe that people are this stupid

I REFUSE!

[elle simple]

juice is just sugar

you answered your own question anyway, drink water.

[Big H]

The occasional Diet Soda isn't bad either. I drink Diet Rite soda when I feel like havin a little flavor. The Strawberry-Kiwi flavor is crack. Diet Rite is the best choice in my opinion, however any diet soda will certainly do.

[khalid a.k.a Genocide]

I drink gatorade which has about 14g of sugar, which is a big difference from 27g of sugar from juice and 29g from sodas. IMO gatorade is a nice alternative to sodas and also like BigH pointed out, diet sodas.

however I drink more water and whey protein than gatorade throughtout the day.

[BUCKFIFTEE]

Juice contains fiber as well as vitamins and minerals. Juice does not contain refined sugar like soda or gatorade. Drink natural apple juice, oranges, grapefruit, carrot. Buy a juice extractor and make your own. Mix in blueberry, pommegranate. Make your own iced tea with green tea and a bit of honey and lemon.

Soda is really bad for you. The acid throws off the balance in your body and does damage to your stomach lining and bones

[Big H]

Juice contains fiber as well as vitamins and minerals. Juice does not contain refined sugar like soda or gatorade. Drink natural apple juice, oranges, grapefruit, carrot. Buy a juice extractor and make your own. Mix in blueberry, pommegranate. Make your own iced tea with green tea and a bit of honey and lemon.

Soda is really bad for you. The acid throws off the balance in your body and does damage to your stomach lining and bones

Sugar is still sugar; just because its in a different form (Fructose for fruit/juices) doesn't make it any better. Now certain fruits like berries though are allowed if your watching sugar intake. Fruits and 100% REAL fruit juice are great if your LIVING a healthy lifestyle, but for those trying to lose weight or cut its not the best choice.

[Lineage]

club soda

[BUCKFIFTEE]

Sugar is still sugar; just because its in a different form (Fructose for fruit/juices) doesn't make it any better. Now certain fruits like berries though are allowed if your watching sugar intake. Fruits and 100% REAL fruit juice are great if your LIVING a healthy lifestyle, but for those trying to lose weight or cut its not the best choice.

I dont beleive he stated he was trying to lose weight, regardless.

All sugars gets converted to glucose when in the body, but the rate and effectiveness at which certain sugars are absorbed depend on what kind ie fructose, lactose, maltose. Fructose (which is 1.5 times sweeter than sucrose but the same caloric content) does not cause a rapid rise in blood sugar due to it being slower to absorb than say sucrose (what is in most sodas). Again with the added benefits of vitamins and fiber, fruit juice is a superior alternative (ie sweet drink) to soda, diet soda or gatorade.

[Big H]

I dont beleive he stated he was trying to lose weight, regardless.

All sugars gets converted to glucose when in the body, but the rate and effectiveness at which certain sugars are absorbed depend on what kind ie fructose, lactose, maltose. Fructose (which is 1.5 times sweeter than sucrose but the same caloric content) does not cause a rapid rise in blood sugar due to it being slower to absorb than say sucrose (what is in most sodas). Again with the added benefits of vitamins and fiber, fruit juice is a superior alternative (ie sweet drink) to soda, diet soda or gatorade.

Fructose is still absorbed faster than other carb sources. Like I said, Sugar is still Sugar. Whether or not is causes an increased Insulin spike is questionable; too many variables. They all cause a sudden spike in Insulin which is why I myself avoid them unless its post-workout when I need to recover quickly and replinish my Glycogen levels. These spikes, caused impart because of our diets as Americans, is one of the leading reasons why this country actually suffers from being too fat. Unless he is eating an extremely controlled diet I would say eliminate as many triggers as possible (unnecessary Fructose being one of them).

I consume little to no sugar in my diet so you can say I take sides when it comes to whether or not it's good on any diet (weight loss or healthy living). I don't drink fruit juice, but the occasional actual fruit as a food isn't bad (especially on a bulk). Unless you juice your own fruits (which 95% don't do) I would stay away.

[YoHomeGirl]

Juicy Juice is 100% Juice.

[BUCKFIFTEE]

Fructose is still absorbed faster than other carb sources. Like I said, Sugar is still Sugar. Whether or not is causes an increased Insulin spike is questionable; too many variables. They all cause a sudden spike in Insulin which is why I myself avoid them unless its post-workout when I need to recover quickly and replinish my Glycogen levels. These spikes, caused impart because of our diets as Americans, is one of the leading reasons why this country actually suffers from being too fat. Unless he is eating an extremely controlled diet I would say eliminate as many triggers as possible (unnecessary Fructose being one of them).

I consume little to no sugar in my diet so you can say I take sides when it comes to whether or not it's good on any diet (weight loss or healthy living). I don't drink fruit juice, but the occasional actual fruit as a food isn't bad (especially on a bulk). Unless you juice your own fruits (which 95% don't do) I would stay away.


http://www.diabetes123.com/d_08_450.htm

Fruit sugar. Found in fruits, molasses and honey. It's one-and-a-half times as sweet as sucrose, but provides the same number of calories. Absorbed more slowly than sucrose, so blood sugar doesn't rise as quickly

But you would consume large amounts of red meat and animal products daily for protein? I dont get it?

It may come as quite a shock to people trying to consume as much protein as possible to read in major medical journals and scientific reports that excess protein has been found to promote the growth of cancer cells and can cause liver and kidney disorders, digestive problems, gout, arthritis, calcium deficiencies (including osteoporosis) and other harmful mineral imbalances.

It has been known for decades that populations consuming high-protein, meat-based diets have higher cancer rates and lower life-spans (averaging as low as 30 to 40 years), compared to cultures subsisting on low-protein vegetarian diets (with average life-spans as high as 90 to 100 years).

Numerous studies have found that animals and humans subjected to high-protein diets have consistently developed higher rates of cancer. As for humans, T. Colin Campbell, a Professor of Nutritional Sciences at Cornell University and the senior science advisor to the American Institute for Cancer Research, says there is "a strong correlation between dietary protein intake and cancer of the breast, prostate, pancreas and colon." Likewise, Myron Winick, director of Columbia University's Institute of Human Nutrition, has found strong evidence of "a relationship between high-protein diets and cancer of the colon."

A well balanced diet with lots of raw foods is the best way to go. Consuming meats more than once a day is asking for trouble

[Big H]

http://www.diabetes123.com/d_08_450.htm



But you would consume large amounts of red meat and animal products daily for protein? I dont get it?

It may come as quite a shock to people trying to consume as much protein as possible to read in major medical journals and scientific reports that excess protein has been found to promote the growth of cancer cells and can cause liver and kidney disorders, digestive problems, gout, arthritis, calcium deficiencies (including osteoporosis) and other harmful mineral imbalances.

It has been known for decades that populations consuming high-protein, meat-based diets have higher cancer rates and lower life-spans (averaging as low as 30 to 40 years), compared to cultures subsisting on low-protein vegetarian diets (with average life-spans as high as 90 to 100 years).

Numerous studies have found that animals and humans subjected to high-protein diets have consistently developed higher rates of cancer. As for humans, T. Colin Campbell, a Professor of Nutritional Sciences at Cornell University and the senior science advisor to the American Institute for Cancer Research, says there is "a strong correlation between dietary protein intake and cancer of the breast, prostate, pancreas and colon." Likewise, Myron Winick, director of Columbia University's Institute of Human Nutrition, has found strong evidence of "a relationship between high-protein diets and cancer of the colon."

A well balanced diet with lots of raw foods is the best way to go. Consuming meats more than once a day is asking for trouble

Did you take in to account that these people they refer to probably had a horrible diet to go along with their meat/high protein consumption? Thats the problem with these tests and studies. They don't take a lot of things in to account.

You mean to tell me that a healthy person who weight trains and does cardio on a daily basis while consuming a very solid diet, will have the same life-span as the slob who weighs 350 pounds eating fast food everyday? Get the f*ck out of here with that sh*t. These people they refer to a lot of the times were overweight, had a history of cancer in their family, already had existing health problems, probably smoked/drinked, or already had a terrible diet.

I won't deny that having balance and variety in your diet doesn't have benefits but changing the subject to meat intake was pointless. I recall we were discussing fruit juice here, not what I consume on my diet. There is no doubt that eating a substantial amount of all the food groups is great, but picking on meat and high protein diets was useless.

Keep doing your research and you'll find equal amounts of studies that disprove all that bullsh*t you just posted. You'll always find crap like this. Take the Egg for example; how many times did studies link them to diseases but then turn around and say their good for you? Fact of the matter is that there is no ONE food group that does NOT have adverse effects on certain people.

And as for your Diabetes link; their comparing Fructose to another high GI sugar, Sucralose. I was referring to the absorption of these sugars compared to complex carbs which don't contain sugar, but provide the same effects minus the Insulin spike. So I like said about three times already, SUGAR IS STILL F*CKING SUGAR. Don't single out Fructose and do research on that alone; research sugars in general and you'll realize that it doesn't matter what KIND of sugar it is; it still gets absorbed quicker and causes a higher Insulin spike which in this country with its obese citizens WILL lead to weight/fat gain.

[intelsis]

get some torani's sugar free syrup (black cherry is the bi-zomb).....

then add a couple shots to club soda or seltzer water.....

tastes just like cherry soda

[khalid a.k.a Genocide]

http://www.diabetes123.com/d_08_450.htm



But you would consume large amounts of red meat and animal products daily for protein? I dont get it?

It may come as quite a shock to people trying to consume as much protein as possible to read in major medical journals and scientific reports that excess protein has been found to promote the growth of cancer cells and can cause liver and kidney disorders, digestive problems, gout, arthritis, calcium deficiencies (including osteoporosis) and other harmful mineral imbalances.

It has been known for decades that populations consuming high-protein, meat-based diets have higher cancer rates and lower life-spans (averaging as low as 30 to 40 years), compared to cultures subsisting on low-protein vegetarian diets (with average life-spans as high as 90 to 100 years).

Numerous studies have found that animals and humans subjected to high-protein diets have consistently developed higher rates of cancer. As for humans, T. Colin Campbell, a Professor of Nutritional Sciences at Cornell University and the senior science advisor to the American Institute for Cancer Research, says there is "a strong correlation between dietary protein intake and cancer of the breast, prostate, pancreas and colon." Likewise, Myron Winick, director of Columbia University's Institute of Human Nutrition, has found strong evidence of "a relationship between high-protein diets and cancer of the colon."

A well balanced diet with lots of raw foods is the best way to go. Consuming meats more than once a day is asking for trouble

Like Big H said, the research findings you posted fail to account for the different variables at play here.In my honest opinion, theres very little consequences when an individuals is on a high protein diet and also in a very balanced and overall controlled diet. By balanced and controlled diet, I mean low fats(0 trans fat), low cholasterol foods, low sugar foods/beverages, moderate/high fiber foods and of course high protein foods. In such a diet theres a very little risk for cancer and other deseases in the long term.

However, if you're refering solely to individuals with no controlled eating habits(eat anything) then yes I agree with you.

And also, you might be forgeting the fact that different goals require different diets and so on. If your goal is to gain muscle mass("bulk") then you MUST have a high protein diet and also a controlled overall diet. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that as long theres variety in the diet, however the focus is still high protein intake. some of us in here are in a "bulkying" cycle and that requires a high protein intake because with low/moderate protein diet we're not going to achieve any muscle gains(pretty much). theres exceptions to any rule, but I stand by my statement. And if you still are disputing this fact, show me an individual, or individuals, that has(have) gained substancial muscle mass on a vegetarian/low protein diet.

Do not take my post as "ganging" up on you or flaming your findings. I just happen to have a different opinion based on factual/physical evidence of my statements and that evidence is my OWN body and countless others, the amount of muscle mass I've gained on a high protein diet AND overall solid controlled diet.

[elle simple]

show me an individual, or individuals, that has(have) gained substancial muscle mass on a vegetarian/low protein diet.



The Vegetarian Body-Builder (http://ksteveh.tripod.com/vegetarianbodybuilder_home.html)

:huh:

Hanson's diet sodas are tasty too, they come in good flavors like Black Cherry, Tangerine-Orange, Root Beer, Lime. By the case at Costco.

[Big H]

The Vegetarian Body-Builder (http://ksteveh.tripod.com/vegetarianbodybuilder_home.html)

:huh:

Hanson's diet sodas are tasty too, they come in good flavors like Black Cherry, Tangerine-Orange, Root Beer, Lime. By the case at Costco.

LMAO, you gotta be kidding.

Plus there are plenty of other high-protein sources that are not from meat. That guy looks like pure protein shake.

[khalid a.k.a Genocide]

The Vegetarian Body-Builder (http://ksteveh.tripod.com/vegetarianbodybuilder_home.html)

:huh:

Hanson's diet sodas are tasty too, they come in good flavors like Black Cherry, Tangerine-Orange, Root Beer, Lime. By the case at Costco.

lol

Its written on his page that he's been on a lacto-ovo vegetarian diet. I believe he still has a moderate to high protein intake from the eggs and milk and other dairy product, I would assume.

But that was a nice try, elle. LOL

[elle simple]

lol

Its written on his page that he's been on a lacto-ovo vegetarian diet. I believe he still has a moderate to high protein intake from the eggs and milk and other dairy product, I would assume.

But that was a nice try, elle. LOL

yea, he said he gets over 200g of protein per day, no problem, with no meat. You wanted a vegetarian who gained muscle right? :huh:

[khalid a.k.a Genocide]

yea, he said he gets over 200g of protein per day, no problem, with no meat. You wanted a vegetarian who gained muscle right? :huh:

I said a person on a low protein/vegetarian diet.

[Erica Johnson]

Try Sugar-Free Full Throttle. Full Throttle has guarana, caffeine, and some vitamins. I have been drinking it for about a month (Coca-Cola offered it to my business for free) and it gives me a lot of energy - kinda weird.

Also, try Crystal Light. I don't drink any Crystal Light except Lemonade, the rest reveal the fake sugar used. Blegh!

[makavalli]

Try Sugar-Free Full Throttle. Full Throttle has guarana, caffeine, and some vitamins. I have been drinking it for about a month (Coca-Cola offered it to my business for free) and it gives me a lot of energy - kinda weird.

Also, try Crystal Light. I don't drink any Crystal Light except Lemonade, the rest reveal the fake sugar used. Blegh!


i might have to try that full throttle.soda is really my main enemy i drink too much damn sunkist.if i cut that out and did my regular routine i would lose a pound a week.its march though so crunch time!!im cuttin that shyt out and starting tomorrow doing my 3 mile jog 5 days a week

[TheThiefsTheme]

yeah dog, defiantely cut that soda sh1t out of your diet. that stuff wreaks havoc on your insides. i haven't had soda in a month and no fast food/high fat/cholesterol foods since august. i changed my diet to mostly carbs like rice, pasta, potatoes, and the occaisional chicken with gatorade or that propel water. just by changing my diet, i lost 10 pounds of fat with no exercise and i feel better than i've felt in a long ass time. i've been to the gym less than 10 times in the past 6 months, and i've had some substancial muscle development in my arms and torso WITHOUT high protien sh1t in my diet. so yes it's definately possible. i wasn't tryin to bulk up or anything, but each session was about 2 hours long, focusing mostly on arms, chest, back, abs. i went from little to no definition in my arms to highly cut triceps and the bi's startin to come out too, pecs are comin out, etc. but yeah, get rid of that soda, you'll notice how different you feel within a week.

[khalid a.k.a Genocide]

yeah dog, defiantely cut that soda sh1t out of your diet. that stuff wreaks havoc on your insides. i haven't had soda in a month and no fast food/high fat/cholesterol foods since august. i changed my diet to mostly carbs like rice, pasta, potatoes, and the occaisional chicken with gatorade or that propel water. just by changing my diet, i lost 10 pounds of fat with no exercise and i feel better than i've felt in a long ass time. i've been to the gym less than 10 times in the past 6 months, and i've had some substancial muscle development in my arms and torso WITHOUT high protien sh1t in my diet. so yes it's definately possible. i wasn't tryin to bulk up or anything, but each session was about 2 hours long, focusing mostly on arms, chest, back, abs. i went from little to no definition in my arms to highly cut triceps and the bi's startin to come out too, pecs are comin out, etc. but yeah, get rid of that soda, you'll notice how different you feel within a week.

You have to understand that protein are the building blocks for muscles(and your organism in general) so for continuous muscle growth you must intake a moderate to high protein sources. Protein sources from (whole) foods or supplements(whey protein and other forms of protein(casein, soy, etc)).

And 2 hour long session in the gym might be a bit too much, you don't want to overtrain your muscles. Overtraining stalls muscle growth big time.

You say that you've had some gains in a "low" protein diet? how much weight did you gain? whats your body fat percentage(BF%) at the moment, and what was your BF% before(a year ago)? I just find your results a bit odd, Im not disputing your claims. If indeed, its true, thats not bad. But I would advise you to increase your protein intake if you wish to continue to see/experience muscle growth. And the protein sources, like I said before, should be from whole foods like chicken breast(very healthy choice), lean beef/steak, fish(salmon and others), tuna, egg whites, and other healthy choices. and also supplements.

[Jaysundotcom]

"The swedish heavyweight bodybuilder Andreas Cahling, winner of the highly coveted Mr Europe and Mr Universe titles, is an exclusive frugivore. He eats neither meat nor dairy products, not even grains or vegetables....."

[omeo]

Splenda

plus freshly squeezed lime and/or lemon juice :yes:

Tastes great, keeps you hydrated and zero calories.

[Smalley Biggs]

i've been brewing my own tea, like 2 quarts at a time (green tea, black tea etc.) and then just keeping it in the fridge for when i need something to drink with a little flava.

[AnotherGirl]

damn I missed this thread....
i can't do diet soda in ANY form ...I've tried every single one they all have that wicked after taste..Splenda..Equal ...doesn't matter what it's made with. *sigh*

but uh... Gatorade is gross (salty) and has a bit too much sugar for me...
Propel on the other hand after cardio is that crack. :yes: it's got a little sugar too (6 grams) ....nowhere near as much as Gatorade.
I buy the CASES of Propel & Arizona Diet Green tea in bulk at Sam's. no calories in the Arizona Teas...those are great too.

[Paul Mooney]

ginger beer

[Souljah Unda Presha~]

gitcha some of that malta them puerto ricans be drinkin' on the co'na.

on the real though, just start drinking water with meals, it takes some getting used to but once you get used to it you'll wonder how you coulda drank that bubbley cold syrup with your meals in the first place.

[caramellady85]

i'm addicted to crystal light on the go packs... i like the lemonade and raspberry flavors:yes:
they're like 10 calories and sugar free

[Cool The Kid]

They have these things at Whole Foods called 'spritzers'...I dunno what's in them but they taste healthier than sodas and they sell them at Whole Foods. *shrugs*

[topazjewels]

Im not reading this whole thread so I dontknow what I am going to say has already been captured.

Juice might be good for you but theres way to much extra sugar. you may be better off having a diet soda than drinking juice.
drinking diet soda is equal to drinking water. most diet drinks have 0 calories.

A good way to add flavor to your water with out significantly changing the calories or anything else is to use crystal light, wyler's light or 4C. They all come in packages were you can add them to a normal size of bottled water or you can buy the larger size to make a pitcher of it.
Some flavors/brands keep the calories and fat at 0

you can also try Pathmark brands Clear Essence, its almost like drinking soda but its water. they come in different flavors like peach, white grape, blackberry etc.

[Diggy_Dat_Niggy]

The Vegetarian Body-Builder (http://ksteveh.tripod.com/vegetarianbodybuilder_home.html)

:laugh:, he even says he isnt big, no homo

[7:30femmefatale]

The occasional Diet Soda isn't bad either. I drink Diet Rite soda when I feel like havin a little flavor. The Strawberry-Kiwi flavor is crack. Diet Rite is the best choice in my opinion, however any diet soda will certainly do.
diet rite peach is good diet soda. i stopped drinking soda for the last almost 6 months, but i have one of those on occasion.

someone fairly knowledgable about the evils of sugar told me that in terms of calories/weight, if you're gonna drink a soda every once in awhile you may as well drink a real soda b/c your body doesn't know what to do with the chemicals in artifical sweeteners so it stores them in fat cells first. you can confirm/disconfirm this perhaps..?

[Cerebral Knievel]

diet rite peach is good diet soda. i stopped drinking soda for the last almost 6 months, but i have one of those on occasion.
someone fairly knowledgable about the evils of sugar told me that in terms of calories/weight, if you're gonna drink a soda every once in awhile you may as well drink a real soda b/c your body doesn't know what to do with the chemicals in artifical sweeteners so it stores them in fat cells first. you can confirm/disconfirm this perhaps..?

http://calorielab.com/news/2005/06/12/diet-soda-drinkers-most-likely-to-be-obese/

http://nancymarkle.com/fatter/

[omeo]

http://calorielab.com/news/2005/06/12/diet-soda-drinkers-most-likely-to-be-obese/

http://nancymarkle.com/fatter/

correlation does not equal causation. I suspect that this has more to do with the fact that diet soda is marketted to fat asses to begin with (people with weight problems) They go on to order double big macs and super sized fries, then think that they are doing good by washing it down with a diet soda.

[Cerebral Knievel]

correlation does not equal causation. I suspect that this has more to do with the fact that diet soda is marketted to fat asses to begin with (people with weight problems) They go on to order double big macs and super sized fries, then think that they are doing good by washing it down with a diet soda.

true..and a disciplined person can lose weight even if they eat like crap...BUT there is a legitimate issue with the body's ability to count calories leading to unbalanced cravings and such.

That said...the key will remain discipline both physical and mental for those that hope to lose weight. A craving doesn't make a ho-ho jump down your throat...fat fingers do....

[Joflow]

correlation does not equal causation. I suspect that this has more to do with the fact that diet soda is marketted to fat asses to begin with (people with weight problems) They go on to order double big macs and super sized fries, then think that they are doing good by washing it down with a diet soda.

"How she order all that food and a mothafukkin diet coke?" - Kanye

[Seven One Three]

Sugar is still sugar; just because its in a different form (Fructose for fruit/juices) doesn't make it any better. Now certain fruits like berries though are allowed if your watching sugar intake. Fruits and 100% REAL fruit juice are great if your LIVING a healthy lifestyle, but for those trying to lose weight or cut its not the best choice.
high fructose corn syrup (the kind in most drinks) is 5X as worse than fructose in in fruits.

refinded sugar is 10X worse than high fructose corn syrup :eek:

you know Native Americans...most of em still eat the same sh*T they did 5 centuries ago...

But there diein mad young...diabetes, heart failure and ****....

Wanna know why? Because of the dumbass white man refining everything :dry: