Fresh Prince > Jay-Z (in every catagory) [Archive]

MICKEY G

08-17-05, 05:34 PM

But at least jay got more money. He worf like 900,000,000 million. He got Rocawear, Rocafella, the 40/40 club and they all bring him revenues of 900,000,00 million. Not to mention his S dots make his cipher complete. His cipher is illin right now b.

900 milli all offstreet clothing company co-owned by three people, a company which was just sold to Def Jam for $10 million, and a 4 million dollar nightclub co-owned by three people.

Will Smiff aint seeing my boy Hov dough, though.

Roovers410

08-17-05, 05:52 PM

BEYONCE>>>>>midget pinkett

NaiSim

08-17-05, 06:08 PM

:yes:

ethikz

08-17-05, 06:24 PM

:laugh:

Go and watch MIB and calm down son!

superslayer69

08-17-05, 06:45 PM

BEYONCE>>>>>midget pinkett

ey...thats a pretty even match-up in my eyes man. I think jada's the more freaky, smaller, independant version of beyonce.

I think will's better than the jay-z these days. Will can rap about more topics and jay's flows is the same on every song now (ie the black album)

but dont get it twisted though... jay in his prime would murder will in his best day

5 Grand

08-17-05, 08:57 PM

1. Will Smith gets $20 mill per movie..... and he's done like 3 or 4 movies per year for the past 10 years (Hitch, I Robot, MIB I & II, Enemy of the State, Bagger Vance, Ali, Independance Day, Bad Boys 1 and 2, Philidelphia. <<<<----- That's 11 movies right there at $20 million a pop. So Will Smith got at least $210 mill.

2. Fresh Prince was a sick Freestyle MC back around 86-88. Just download "Live at Union Square" for the Ether.

One day Fresh Prince and Steady B (both from Philly, both on Jive / Zomba. Remember Steady B from C.E.B. ? He robbed a bank with Cool C and ended up doing life in prison???) were both live on a late night Hip Hop show in Philly. Steady B was saying that he was the illest MC and that he'd serve anybody in a freestyle battle.

So Fresh Prince was like "what's up, lets battle right now live on the air"

And Steady B was like :unsure: "well, lets battle next week".

So Fresh Prince was like, " No lets battle right now, live on the air and let the people decide.....what's a matter are you scared?"

And Steady B was like, "no I'm not scared but, ummm, lets just battle next week"

So anyway, Fresh Prince kept egging him on but Steady B refused to battle him on the spot. So they arranged to come back the folllowing week and battle live on the air. From what I understand Fresh Prince served him the following week, live on the air and there are people who taped both shows, the first week when Steady B backed down and the following week when Fresh Prince served Steady B.

Those mp3s are floating around although I haven't heard them. :dry:

So anyway, my point is that considering that Jay Z and Fresh Prince both came out in 1986, I'd say that Fresh Prince peaked earlier and was clearly better than Jigga at one point. Although i'd say that Jay Z is better now. But Don't sleep, Fresh Prince got long money and a few platinum records. I know Big Willie Style sold 5X plat back in 97/98.

vocab spill

08-17-05, 09:36 PM

*agrees 1000%*

Mr. Belvedere

08-17-05, 09:42 PM

jay's flows is the same on every song now (ie the black album)

I think you should actually listen to the album before you say some dumb sh*t like this.

viper7xl

08-17-05, 10:30 PM

grock2727

08-17-05, 10:48 PM

santana

08-17-05, 10:58 PM

sohh has issues

Clem

08-17-05, 11:20 PM

sohh has issues
That doesn't even begin to describe it.

santana

08-17-05, 11:23 PM

That doesn't even begin to describe it.
dope avi

5 Grand

08-17-05, 11:34 PM

Do you seriously think Will Smith got 20mil per flick his entire career? Theres at least 5 movies on your list that are not probably not even a 10mil payday for Will, you cats are funny.

Well, lets just put it like this

Independence Day was released on July 4, 1996. It became the biggest grossing movie of all time. In otherwords, By the time Independance Day was out of the Box office by, say, Labor Day, it was the highest grossing movie in the History of Film. That was in 1996.

In 1997, Men In Black came out and surpassed Independence Day. So at one point in time, Will Smith was the leading actor in the #1 and #2 selling movies in the history of film.

1997 World Record

#1 Selling movie of all time - Men in Black
#2 Selling movie of all time - Independence Day

Since then, Titanic and later Star Wars 1,2 and 3 have broke those records. So Will Smith's record no longer stands. But at one point, Will Smith was the lead actor in the #1 and #2 selling movies of all time.

So Grock2727, to answer your question;

Do you seriously think Will Smith got 20mil per flick his entire career? Theres at least 5 movies on your list that are not probably not even a 10mil payday for Will, you cats are funny.

I seriously think that since 1997, Will Smith has made $20 million per movie. maybe not Independence Day or Bad Boys part 1, but I think he's made at least $20 million for every movie since then.

So yeah, he's definately more successful than Jigga, ever see Streets is Watching? :dry:

Rzarector7

08-18-05, 12:05 AM

Impact
Storytelling
Lyrics
Classics
Facial Hair
B*tches
Money

Plead your cases jigga stans.
Not a JIGGA stan at all, some call me a Nas stan in here, but you have killed too many brain cells like your name says son..... Damn.

Mofoman

08-18-05, 12:39 AM

#1 Selling movie of all time - Men in Black
#2 Selling movie of all time - Independence Day[/b]

Since then, Titanic and later Star Wars 1,2 and 3 have broke those records. So Will Smith's record no longer stands. But at one point, Will Smith was the lead actor in the #1 and #2 selling movies of all time.

So Grock2727, to answer your question;

I seriously think that since 1997, Will Smith has made $20 million per movie. maybe not Independence Day or Bad Boys part 1, but I think he's made at least $20 million for every movie since then.

So yeah, he's definately more successful than Jigga, ever see Streets is Watching? :dry:

dunno why i am getting into this argument
but...Well, lets just put it like this

20. Independence Day (1996) $306,124,059
34. Men in Black (1997) $250,147,615

2. Star Wars (1977) $460,935,665
4. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982) $434,949,459
11. Jurassic Park (1993) $356,784,000
14. Forrest Gump (1994) $329,691,196
15. The Lion King (1994) $328,423,001

All movies prior to Will's movies that grossed more...shyt if you wanna get into that argument...

Eddie Murphy >>>>>>>>>Will Smith
Harrison Ford >>>>>>>>>Will Smith

lol hell...

Jeff Goldblum >>>>>>>>> Will Smith

According to Fortune.com Fortune MAgazine Jay-z is one of the 40 richest people under 40

"Shawn Carter (Jay-Z) $286 million"

Couldn't find an exact number one Will, but he does not make $20 million on every single movie he has made. Only started with Wild Wild West, pretty sure he didnt make that much with "Shark Tale", "Ali", and "the legend of Bagger Vance"...his paper is up there tho

grock2727

08-18-05, 12:51 AM

Well, lets just put it like this

Independence Day was released on July 4, 1996. It became the biggest grossing movie of all time. In otherwords, By the time Independance Day was out of the Box office by, say, Labor Day, it was the highest grossing movie in the History of Film. That was in 1996.

In 1997, Men In Black came out and surpassed Independence Day. So at one point in time, Will Smith was the leading actor in the #1 and #2 selling movies in the history of film.

1997 World Record

#1 Selling movie of all time - Men in Black
#2 Selling movie of all time - Independence Day

Since then, Titanic and later Star Wars 1,2 and 3 have broke those records. So Will Smith's record no longer stands. But at one point, Will Smith was the lead actor in the #1 and #2 selling movies of all time.

So Grock2727, to answer your question;

I seriously think that since 1997, Will Smith has made $20 million per movie. maybe not Independence Day or Bad Boys part 1, but I think he's made at least $20 million for every movie since then.

So yeah, he's definately more successful than Jigga, ever see Streets is Watching? :dry:

Well, I thought you were joking, but since you actually believe this let me prove you wrong, first of all Will Smith has never been part of a Top 5 grossing movie of all time because Independance Day (which is his highest grossing movie) still fell behind these movies:

Star Wars
E.T.
Jurassic Park
Forrest Gump
Lion King
Return of the Jedi

And those were ahead when it came out, now it's barely Top 20, you have to do your homework before posting, secondly Will Smith has only been making 20mil for the past 5 years or so, but for the sake of argument we'll say 97 (even though I know he only got 5mil for MIB and 14mil for Enemy of the State), do you think that the 20mil check does not get cut into various parts like management, agents and such?

Will Smith is successful, but I think he has a while to go before he catches Jay's success, after all Will Smith is just an actor now and has failed at all his other ventures, even his music is bricking out.

UGroup

08-18-05, 01:14 AM

Well, I thought you were joking, but since you actually believe this let me prove you wrong, first of all Will Smith has never been part of a Top 5 grossing movie of all time because Independance Day (which is his highest grossing movie) still fell behind these movies:

Star Wars
E.T.
Jurassic Park
Forrest Gump
Lion King
Return of the Jedi

And those were ahead when it came out, now it's barely Top 20, you have to do your homework before posting, secondly Will Smith has only been making 20mil for the past 5 years or so, but for the sake of argument we'll say 97 (even though I know he only got 5mil for MIB and 14mil for Enemy of the State), do you think that the 20mil check does not get cut into various parts like management, agents and such?

Will Smith is successful, but I think he has a while to go before he catches Jay's success, after all Will Smith is just an actor now and has failed at all his other ventures, even his music is bricking out.

Big Willie Crap did do 10 mil in US alone. He had a hit TV show where he made a gang of cash and NOW the show is killin it in syndication = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$. He produces TV shows like the one on UPN and has been killin at the Box office for years. I don't know who is worth more but Will is beyond rich the n1gga is WEALTHY. :laugh: at fools on here puttin down Will cause he has TWO movies that are Top 25 grossing films of ALL TIME. They didn't start making movies 20 yrs ago. Having two movies that gross that much money is some big **** especially for a black person. Only Eddie is ahead of him. If Jay is worth more Will ain't far behind.

grock2727

08-18-05, 01:29 AM

Big Willie Crap did do 10 mil in US alone. He had a hit TV show where he made a gang of cash and NOW the show is killin it in syndication = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$. He produces TV shows like the one on UPN and has been killin at the Box office for years. I don't know who is worth more but Will is beyond rich the n1gga is WEALTHY. :laugh: at fools on here puttin down Will cause he has TWO movies that are Top 25 grossing films of ALL TIME. They didn't start making movies 20 yrs ago. Having two movies that gross that much money is some big **** especially for a black person. Only Eddie is ahead of him. If Jay is worth more Will ain't far behind.

I said Will Smith was successful, why does it have to be hate? But for the record, Big Willie was 3 studio albums and 2 Greatest Hits ago, nobody said he did'nt have his time. His sitcom (Bel Air) did very well, but he was'nt part of the production team so I doubt hes caking of syndication much, and his new shows are trash and failing, and he only has 1 top 25 movie (ID), MIB is at #34, which is great. I'll say it again, he is successful, I just dont think he's catchin up to Jay, not yet.

UGroup

08-18-05, 01:37 AM

I said Will Smith was successful, why does it have to be hate? But for the record, Big Willie was 3 studio albums and 2 Greatest Hits ago, nobody said he did'nt have his time. His sitcom (Bel Air) did very well, but he was'nt part of the production team so I doubt hes caking of syndication much, and his new shows are trash and failing, and he only has 1 top 25 movie (ID), MIB is at #34, which is great. I'll say it again, he is successful, I just dont think he's catchin up to Jay, not yet.
He was part of the production team the last 3 or 4 years of the show. My point about the Big Willie album is it sold 10 million in the US ALONE. Most rappers haven't sold 10 million in their whole career. If you add up up his music career, TV career and Movie Career ain't too many hip hop artists worth more then him. Jay Z probably is but not by much. Puff, Master P and maybe Dr. Dre..... that's about it.

pimpbyblood

08-18-05, 10:57 AM

DJ_Tone_Blaze

08-18-05, 11:13 AM

I doubt Jay-Z is seeing Will Smith's paper, but I don't know... he's definitely a more prolific "businessman."

UGroup

08-18-05, 06:29 PM

What (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a215/maddy6/jada.jpg)
the fukk (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a215/maddy6/jada2.jpg)
you smokin (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a215/maddy6/jada3.jpg)
??? (http://tinypic.com/akd250.jpg)
I'd still hit that lil ass. After the kids her ass got nice and big(check the video with her and Will 1000 Kisses :ohmy: ) esp for a chick her size. I notice the nice wagon when she walked up the stairs on Different World after gay ass Bumper didn't want the p#ssy. :laugh:

As for Beyonce she's damn near 10 years her junior but Jada got that spunk. She seems like she would ride or die for her man. Beyonce I don't know. But still Beyonce > Jada Now. But Jada was fierce in her 20s. I got a soft spot for petite broads.

BrainCellKilla

08-18-05, 06:55 PM

Being down with an "open marriage" > A father still controlling your broad

ethikz

08-18-05, 07:10 PM

This thread is serious???

superslayer69

08-18-05, 07:11 PM

I think you should actually listen to the album before you say some dumb sh*t like this.

why would a make a comment like that without listening to the black album in the first place.

what happened? i hurt some jay z mark's feelings? Do you smile and nod ur head to the song we're he's boasting about himself...wait...thats every song

i think u have'nt been listening to the right jay album junior

JackDaCrack

08-18-05, 07:22 PM

Don't feel too bad for Smith if he's not making as much as Jay-Z. He's still managing to get by.

jim is trouble

08-18-05, 08:56 PM

Honestly

fresh prince era will smith was nice

people forget rap was really diverst at one point

kool moe dee who has no reason to repect or give props to will said that in the mid 80s will could shut down and chypoer with all the nyc people that were around that time and he had a better aresnal of words

but once he went to the sticom he really doenst give afulk about rap anymore and probaly does it just to prove a pint

will smith is way more creative and abetter story telller in his prime then jay at any time

just
i thinnk i can beat mike tyson
and night mare on my street are funnier then any thing eminem ever siad

but jay rhymed a long with most of the best artist in new york and has a sharp flow and a better ear for beats

Will Smiff

08-18-05, 09:00 PM

*rates thread 5 stars*

*will respectfully buy sohh.com to personally ban anyone who disagrees*

5 Grand

08-18-05, 11:39 PM

dunno why i am getting into this argument
but...Well, lets just put it like this

20. Independence Day (1996) $306,124,059
34. Men in Black (1997) $250,147,615

2. Star Wars (1977) $460,935,665
4. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982) $434,949,459
11. Jurassic Park (1993) $356,784,000
14. Forrest Gump (1994) $329,691,196
15. The Lion King (1994) $328,423,001

All movies prior to Will's movies that grossed more...shyt if you wanna get into that argument...

Those are all modern 2005 statstics. I mean, Star Wars has been rereleased on DVD. Same with ET and The Lion King. All of the movies that are now ahead of Men in Black and Independence Day have been rereleased on DVD and made several hundreds of millions of dollars since their rerelease.

But I'm saying that when Independence Day and Men in Black were out, they were the #1 and #2 selling movies of their time. Since then, movies that didn't sell as much got rereleased on DVD and have earned a few more dollars.

BrainCellKilla

08-19-05, 01:14 PM

This thread is serious??? :yes:

x2y

08-19-05, 01:18 PM

Impact
Storytelling
Lyrics
Classics
Facial Hair
B*tches
Money

Plead your cases jigga stans.

BTW
http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=550338

BrainCellKilla

08-19-05, 01:37 PM

BTW
http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=550338lmao @ none of the Em stans replying.

Fresh Prince has that by default. Em has zero street cred.

BrainCellKilla

09-15-05, 09:30 PM

"Let's talk about rhyme capability
Let's talk about hip-hop versatility
Let's talk about taking the game beyond
How the hell we gon' have a battle of wits? Trick you unarmed
Let's talk about love for the game
I mean real love, back before there was fame
I'm real with it, I ain't claimin to reign
But when y'all talk about rap, y'all gon' start sayin my name
F'real though, I ain't playin
Plenty of y'all love a brother, just scared to say it
Yo, first ever rap Grammy
Let's talk about the only reason yo' ass went to Miami - (yup!)
Truck with rims - check; throwback jersey - (check)
Champagne bottles - check; lots of models - (DAMN!)
That's the list for 90% of y'all videos and songs
Am I WRONG?!?!"

Postbuster

12-03-05, 11:23 PM

Real talk.

BrainCellKilla

01-25-06, 06:15 PM

Will put Bow Wow in a corner but Jay can't answer Cam? :laugh:

Wolfe

10-07-07, 03:03 PM

Impact
Storytelling
Lyrics
Classics
B*tches
Money
Plead your cases jigga stans.

Word.

TheY2DreProblem

10-07-07, 03:15 PM

Will Smith is more famous than Jay-Z. Will Smith is an international star.

Quality Street

10-07-07, 03:19 PM

^^ True, yall may not think its worth much but in the UK and most of Europe Jay-Z is not regarded as one of the elite rappers by anyone, he wasnt even that famous until he started fúcking Beyonce. Hes just seen as a so-so rapper, I remember when I first found out how people in America hyped him up to be the G.O.A.T I was like WTF, this nígga, seriously ?

To put this simply, Will Smith is a pioneer of rap who changed and sculptured the game, Jay-Z is a talented rapper and a business man who copied his predeccessors. Youd be a fool to even compare the two and you'd probably have to be under 15 to think Jay-Z surpasses Will

Art Barr

10-07-07, 03:39 PM

I doubt Jay-Z is seeing Will Smith's paper, but I don't know... he's definitely a more prolific "businessman."

no jayz is not a better businessman than will.

will did the same things and in another entire genre, than jay did. not to mention did it in the biggest good ol boy sector in america. that even jay's old partner is close to being blackball'd in.

so in no way shape or form is jay a better businessman. i wouldn't even say better pr'd.......you are tryin to compare two dudes in two different wrinkles of time, after the one dude already set the precedent in the actual film industry, and recording industry as what is successful,

taking over:

freshprince of bel air solely and completely after only being a worker > jay's takin over sole operation of rocafella & getting a corporate job

will making an actual film production company getting an oscar nomination, plus a number of other production credits > jay whole sch-whoop

will career paving the way and more superior > jay.

will > jayz being an employee to will which jay was. after will already created the higher drawing period with the lesser drawing acts in rap. to go diamond out of nowhere, and no relevence except his own pr. plus did i mention, that the last will high profile sdtrk with jay as the writer flop'd box office and in relevance as an opening boxoffice sdtrk single.

art barr

yall motherphuckers be on jay d!ck, but honestly he ain't even seeing will on the mic........let alone as a businessman.

yall need to peep sh!t that will is doin in film, where just the color of his skin could keep him from doin a single project let alone the projects he gets.
plus, in that arguement as a drawing commodity isn't even viewed as being black, but as will,.........or willnjada.

art barr

will is the re-incarnation of bill cosby damn near. if he get high profile enough, and decides to do it he could be getting that 80K for showin up on a campus for nothing any day of the week.......plus, it would be bigger than damn near anything goin.

also,..........box office receipts and having percentage in that is always worth more than a movie, and especially a damn album

yall be tweakin

Art Barr

10-07-07, 03:44 PM

plus, if yall wanna start that jay is better than will sh!t fine.

but what are you gonna do when i say that even jay mentor was marketed and signed as a will ripoff, and still couldn't make an impact.

plus, not to mention jay was not a glimmer of as good on the mic in any category, as will at that time.....plus jaz wasn't even in will league and did the same type of sh!t will was doing and it didn't hold up, either. not to mention, jay couldn't even get on then at all. plus, his main mentor couldn't even cut the cake bite'n will's whole steez or make any joints that you can actually attest to other than, his cred as a battle emcee.

and,.........even then will more than likely could have bodied jaz at that time, as well, too.

plus,.........jay is scared and got taken ova by his mentor, when jay was at the top of his game.

art barr

will made the term rap sellout, and revolutionized it.........while jay just lived in the sellout world that will created.

will even made comebacks against eminem when he was completely seen as non-relevent that stand up. while jay was getting bodied by em, in the same time frame as well.

art barr

state you game talk yo sh!t

SoFaB

10-07-07, 03:47 PM

yall motherphuckers be on jay d!ck, but honestly he ain't even seeing will on the mic........let alone as a businessman.

..stops reading

Phukk Tha World

10-07-07, 03:50 PM

this thread is tha truth, finally someone with a brain of their own........:yes:

Art Barr

10-07-07, 03:53 PM

Will put Bow Wow in a corner but Jay can't answer Cam? :laugh:

plus, will put all them n!ggaz in they place back in the day, and had the battle resume to take on anyone who would have even thought to go against him.

yeah, back when you was a kid and will just heinously was creating the term rap sellout and fleshing out all the detail. but still, no one ever challenged him on the mic, and he was completely attackable down to being so large he didn't even have to write rhymes anymore.

plus, the contingent of emcees durin that time were some of the most skilled ever in the history of rap music.

art barr

plus, will puts and will say something on the mic to anyone from this day and age yappin about him, with rhymes that are technicall superior or on par with what is relevant as well.

pumps tim westwood freestyle.

Kingofkings

10-07-07, 03:57 PM

Impact - look at all jay-z stans and look at the UN
Storytelling - Meet the parents and all those.
Lyrics - :laugh:, Jay-z
Classics - Jay-z has got a few, fresh prince has got one
Facial Hair - homo?
B*tches - Beyonce
Money - Jay-z
Plead your cases jigga stans.
Ignorant ****

Art Barr

10-07-07, 04:02 PM

Those are all modern 2005 statstics. I mean, Star Wars has been rereleased on DVD. Same with ET and The Lion King. All of the movies that are now ahead of Men in Black and Independence Day have been rereleased on DVD and made several hundreds of millions of dollars since their rerelease.
But I'm saying that when Independence Day and Men in Black were out, they were the #1 and #2 selling movies of their time. Since then, movies that didn't sell as much got rereleased on DVD and have earned a few more dollars.

on the real.............i hate id, and i'm not that big on mib series but to deny that they were the largest is an omission in history.

art barr

TheY2DreProblem

10-07-07, 04:12 PM

..stops reading

yeah i agreed with everything until he said that.

Art Barr

10-07-07, 04:37 PM

yeah i agreed with everything until he said that.

jay z is just good at records, and hasn't permeated the good ol boy ultimate economically drawing industry ever, film.

as a matter of fact, dame creates highly credible really good films. i saw one the other night on cable he produced with cuba as a hitman, and phuc'n his stepmama ala woody allen.

great flick, and should have had some mention, but dude is blackballed from film, also while he was with one of the higher drawing artist in rap.
who, jayz that is. the same jayz who, worked for will............who was the highest drawing n!gga in rap during that time.

will made it so n!ggaz could consistently sell records, and created the marking and judgment point for damn near the entire rap industry from the beginning of it being a platinum drawing commodity.

let alone accolades, awards,.....how to parrallel it into another entirely taboo you can't do that industry.

art barr

you can judge by the sales at their height and see will was a better businessman. he even got jay to work outta his normal context as an emcee and jump on some completely left field pop movie production to flop to be attached to will's draw. also, while going diamond and being an artist who was believed was past his highest drawing moment as a rap artist.

he made the whole lane jlo even got to park a bentley at the gasstattion, with affleck in a video.

anyone with a brain could see wildwildwest the sdtrk song, was not goin to propel that movie to where it was marketed at.

so why would jay attach himself to that if he was the better businessman and be so highprofile? that he would risk being attached to a record that could have damaged his career and draw just like will's. while also keeping that particular song because it didn't hit on the low as one of his prized works. that,.......let's be for real......he probably took because it came with a great payday, but a negative upside that had to be protected by little to no pr, when it flop'd.

art barr

better businessman my a55. plus at that point jay stop drawing as high while will went on later to get a nomination for;

ALI as the best actor.

yall gotta be kiddin me with this fanaticalfellatio sh!t about jayz. yall tweakin.