Ice cube's run from 88-96, one of the best ever???

[westkoast2k2]

Agree or disagree?

Ice Cube's run from when NWA first formed to about the time the first westside connection album dropped (Yes I know a year over our breaking point) is one of the best in hip hop? Very few put out the kind of body of work over 8 years.

[Sentenza]

Cube's one of the, if not the, most underappreciated rapper of all time. His early albums are all hiphop classics imo. So yeha, I agree with you.

[ICoMBatI$]

he was the GOAT in this period to me... KRS and Rakim right behind, but for this period Cube was #1. AMW through to LI was just :ohmy:

[The Bilingual Gringo]

Yes, all of his early material is classic. I was listening to Lethan Injection the other day actually.

[westkoast2k2]

he was the GOAT in this period to me... KRS and Rakim right behind, but for this period Cube was #1. AMW through to LI was just :ohmy:

Impact album after impact album came from Cube then. Really its hard to argue with his run. EPMD comes close but that was 3 albums.

[Irish Snyper]

Ice Cube - The C.I.A. EP Thread (http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=616571)

[Trouble Man]

I agree...I think Cube's run is prolly the best in hip hop history...it's a close call but Cube had a truely excellent run. Everything from N.W.A & the Posse to Bow Down is :ohmy:....even his guest apperances are fire, like Burn Hollywood Burn, Last Wordz, Hand of the Dead Body, Natural Born Killers, Two to the Head...just SICK!!

[Trouble Man]

And Guerillas in tha Mist is a lost classic :yes:

[Infamous Gabriel]

I definitely agree. Even a good number of the projects he co-signed on were good in that era.

[breze]

Ice Cube= Best storyteller EVER!!!!

[Absolut da poet]

No.

But Ice Cube's run from '89~'94 is prolly the best ever

I remember when Cube left N.W.A
I was pissed. I couldn't believe he left what was to me the best rap group ever made (outside Run DMC)

But Death Certificate...wow. That was THE BEST hiphop album I ever purchased

I can still listen to it now from front to back

[westkoast2k2]

But Death Certificate...wow. That was THE BEST hiphop album I ever purchased

I can still listen to it now from front to back

Co-Sign...its so ****in raw but still it makes you really think

[Jack Tripper]

Agree or disagree?

Ice Cube's run from when NWA first formed to about the time the first westside connection album dropped (Yes I know a year over our breaking point) is one of the best in hip hop? Very few put out the kind of body of work over 8 years.

Cube's one of my favorite emcees, of all-time. Death Certificate stays in heavy rotation. A lot of people overlook Cube, when discussin that era, but dude was one of the best, back then. He's got a nice amount of classic albums.

No doubt, in that.

[Jack Tripper]

Ice Cube= Best storyteller EVER!!!!

:yes:

[dajugo]

HHmmm, I gotta disagree a little, lemme see how bad my east coast bias gets me roasted...lol...but IMHO...I would say 88-92 was one of the best ever easily. 93-96 was some classic singles and way to much bullsh!t. From 88-92 he was part of 3 of the greatest albums of all time and the pinnacle of hardcore hip hop. Lethal Injection comes out and he has QDIII making low budget Dre beats. He steals Kams W and turns it into a toyfest. (anyone who throws up the W is a lop) Gets served by Cypress Hill and destroyed by Common. He turned into a clown.

I say NO. The best don't imitate, lose battles and start wack trends.


again, all IMHO, no disrespect intended.

Oh yea, but I def agree that Cube is one of the most slept on.

[westkoast2k2]

HHmmm, I gotta disagree a little, lemme see how bad my east coast bias gets me roasted...lol...but IMHO...I would say 88-92 was one of the best ever easily. 93-96 was some classic singles and way to much bullsh!t. From 88-92 he was part of 3 of the greatest albums of all time and the pinnacle of hardcore hip hop. Lethal Injection comes out and he has QDIII making low budget Dre beats. He steals Kams W and turns it into a toyfest. (anyone who throws up the W is a lop) Gets served by Cypress Hill and destroyed by Common. He turned into a clown.

I say NO. The best don't imitate, lose battles and start wack trends.


again, all IMHO, no disrespect intended.

Oh yea, but I def agree that Cube is one of the most slept on.

Cypress Hill and Common beef came AFTER Bow Down dropped. Which if I rememebr correctly it was towards the end of 96. Him getting roasted by Common has little to do with the body of work he put out then. ***** in you was a great diss but not good enough to discredit his run from NWAs albums to his own personal classic albums.

Plus I dont know anyone out here who thinks Cypress Hill roasted Cube and Mack10. Cypress' first reply was like a cheap remix diss track from the stolen beat to the recycled lines. As for the eastcoast bias, I dont think you were being bias but rather speaking your opinion.

Nothing said by cypress hill was better than his line dissing muggs. Im white and even I laugh real hard at it everytime I hear it.

[melanon]

i'd say his run from 88-92 maybe 93 would be more appropriate. i don't give a **** how bad you westerners want to believe the hype....westside connection was awful.


honestly, i started sensing cracks in his armor on 'the predator'.

[Jack Tripper]

Gets served by Cypress Hill and destroyed by Common. He turned into a clown.

Common? :laugh:

Common's "B*tch In Yoo" was a hot track, but nobody was even payin Common any attention back then, it made little noise when it dropped. The majority of the people who big that track up, didnt hear it until recently. I thought he got Cube, pretty good on there. But what could Common honestly, say to Cube? Common has one classic album to his name, in over 14 years of makin music. Cube has several LP's under his belt, that Hip Hop considers to be classic.

Common has yet to make anything, that can match Amerikka's Most Wanted or Death Certificate. So while he got over on Cube, with that one track, his career is nowhere near Cube's. So sayin he destroyed Cube, is way off. Cube was still sellin units after Common dissed him, but Common's sales remained quite low.

Think about it..

[westkoast2k2]

i'd say his run from 88-92 maybe 93 would be more appropriate. i don't give a **** how bad you westerners want to believe the hype....westside connection was awful.


honestly, i started sensing cracks in his armor on 'the predator'.

Believe the hype? And lol @ westeners...people coast to coast love that album. One track dissing the critics and naysayers in NY and its automatically a ****ty album. On production alone its a hot album. How could a site obsessed with gangsta rap not love that album? I dont get it.

The album is solid from start to finish. Alot of people admit that and are from NY. The album was VERY far from awful. Especially the **** ive seen you big up in The Spot in threads :laugh:

Im with Jack on this one. ***** in you got Cube but come on...Should Common be a person to speak on Cube's career? I can tell you this that diss made very little buzz outside of the hardcore underground heads at the time. Youd be suprised how many people havent heard this diss or hear it and think that it is new.

[melanon]

Believe the hype? And lol @ westeners...people coast to coast love that album. One track dissing the critics and naysayers in NY and its automatically a ****ty album. On production alone its a hot album. How could a site obsessed with gangsta rap not love that album? I dont get it.

The album is solid from start to finish. Alot of people admit that and are from NY. The album was VERY far from awful. Especially the **** ive seen you big up in The Spot in threads :laugh:

Im with Jack on this one. ***** in you got Cube but come on...Should Common be a person to speak on Cube's career? I can tell you this that diss made very little buzz outside of the hardcore underground heads at the time. Youd be suprised how many people havent heard this diss or hear it and think that it is new.

it's a really bad album. believe me it has nothing to do with them dissing new york. i could give a **** about that. i bought the album knowing they were dissing hard. i was ready to bang that joint. it had TERRIBLE production. especially for an ice cube project. where was the fire he used to display on 'amerikkka's most wanted'? bow down is one of the most overrated and sensationalized albums of all time. 'gangstaz make the world go round'? pathetic. the beat to 'bow down' was a synthesized nightmare. i don't even remember the rest of the album. i still have it somewhere.

[westkoast2k2]

it's a really bad album. believe me it has nothing to do with them dissing new york. i could give a **** about that. i bought the album knowing they were dissing hard. i was ready to bang that joint. it had TERRIBLE production. especially for an ice cube project. where was the fire he used to display on 'amerikkka's most wanted'? bow down is one of the most overrated and sensationalized albums of all time. 'gangstaz make the world go round'? pathetic. the beat to 'bow down' was a synthesized nightmare. i don't even remember the rest of the album. i still have it somewhere.

:dry:

Really I cant take anyone who listens to this in headphones or on their computer seriously when they are speaking of the production on this album. Put that in a car with a REAL system and you drive around listening to it. Big difference....

Hoo Bangin itself hits HARD. This is 2 ton car rattling hitting not Sony Headphones rattling. Thats what people like in areas that drive cars with nice systems...ever wonder why the South and the West really feel each others music?

[Jack Tripper]

:dry:

Really I cant take anyone who listens to this in headphones or on their computer seriously when they are speaking of the production on this album. Put that in a car with a REAL system and you drive around listening to it. Big difference....

Hoo Bangin itself hits HARD. This is 2 ton car rattling hitting not Sony Headphones rattling. Thats what people like in areas that drive cars with nice systems...ever wonder why the South and the West really feel each others music?

:yes:

[melanon]

:dry:

Really I cant take anyone who listens to this in headphones or on their computer seriously when they are speaking of the production on this album. Put that in a car with a REAL system and you drive around listening to it. Big difference....

Hoo Bangin itself hits HARD. This is 2 ton car rattling hitting not Sony Headphones rattling. Thats what people like in areas that drive cars with nice systems...ever wonder why the South and the West really feel each others music?

what do you think there's no cars in New York!?!? you dummy. i'm 28.....that would put me at 19 in 1996 when that garbage dropped. i've had cars since i was in high school.

LL Cool J - boomin' system
masta ace - jeep ass nigaz

[westkoast2k2]

what do you think there's no cars in New York!?!? you dummy. i'm 28.....that would put me at 19 in 1996 when that garbage dropped. i've had cars since i was in high school.

LL Cool J - boomin' system
masta ace - jeep ass nigaz

I didnt say theres no cars in NY but if youve had nice cars and nice systems since high school in NY you must be well off right? Most people arent well off.

Not to go back and forth and take shots honestly, as far as gangsta rap goes its a hard album. BUMPS in a car with a nice system. It sounds much much different.

[melanon]

I didnt say theres no cars in NY but if youve had nice cars and nice systems since high school in NY you must be well off right? Most people arent well off.

Not to go back and forth and take shots honestly, as far as gangsta rap goes its a hard album. BUMPS in a car with a nice system. It sounds much much different.


do you consider a 1987 mercury cougar a nice car? i had a decent amount of knock in my ish though. i know what you mean about certain albums sounding better in a system. i personally thought all the death row classics banged the hardest in the whip. or some real grimy boot camp or masta ace with the heavy upright bass.

[westkoast2k2]

or some real grimy boot camp

No doubt

[ICoMBatI$]

lol at Bow Down being wack. that sh!t banged.

[Trouble Man]

http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=618170
:cool:

[5 Grand]

1. I was in high school (Newton, Massachusetts) when Strait Outta Compton came out I was in 10th grade. I was in between 11th and 12th grade when Amerikkas Most came out and Kill at Will/Jackin 4 Beats was the song that packed the dancefloor when I DJ'd in my Senior year.

2.. I don't know anybody on the east coast who has heard Westside Connection. Not saying its wack, but I never hear anybody mention it.

3. Ice Cube's reign was ok, but KRS's reign from 87-97 was much better.

[RAYDOGG]

The only one who can see Cube might be KRS-1.

[westkoast2k2]

The only one who can see Cube might be KRS-1.

I agree.

[rapbeats]

I agree.
Maybe, Krs.

Yall nuts for saying Bow- Down was wack. Ha. you got to be kiddin me. You cant even dissect a song like that and try to say the lyrics were this, the production on the album was that. what it represented at the time of the East coast west coast yada yada beef nonsense. The west once again laid down the law. No response to that whatsoever, and it was getting play even on TV shows like NY undercover. now how about that. I even remember one episode, where they were chasing some fake gang, that threw up gangs signs in NYC, that were exactly the same as throwing up the Dubba U, middle finger twisted and all. I was like WOW, we gottem. and I loved the east, always will.

Since we on cubes comebacks, how about that so called NWA reunion track "Chin Check". now if you tell me that .... aint bangin like a Crip in blue, you lost.
all i can remember is " En En... dub dub... Dubba U, Ay, Ay..."

I mean that song was so Gangsta I wanted c-walk on the roof, and I aint banged a day in my life. Its like songs like that, let you know where gangsta rap originated. its just like if the east coast especially NY, can ever get their style back, or find it at least. I'll feel the same way about they stuff. right now its all pathetic from both sides.

[GET EM DADDY]

hell yea i gotta agree he dropped so many controversial subjects n was an icon. we cant say no we too busy sayin yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!

[Walt Frazier]

I loved the first two cube albums, and "kill at will" too

but to me the predator was lukewarm, and so was lethal injection (although the good songs on LI were really good to me).

Never has a rapper fallen off so hard, not even with LL and Kane

[westkoast2k2]

Never has a rapper fallen off so hard, not even with LL and Kane

Ra...love the god mc to death but he fell off worse. As did LL IMO. If Ice Cube fell off hard then I dont see how LL didnt fall off just as hard.

[Walt Frazier]

Ra...love the god mc to death but he fell off worse. As did LL IMO. If Ice Cube fell off hard then I dont see how LL didnt fall off just as hard.

LL never made music with the depth of Cube's

LL doign wack love tracks is sad, but not exactly a startling break from chracter

Cube screaming "yay yay" and doing songs like "you can do it put your ass into it" and all that bullsh1t was a bigger shock.

[westkoast2k2]

LL never made music with the depth of Cube's

LL doign wack love tracks is sad, but not exactly a startling break from chracter

Cube screaming "yay yay" and doing songs like "you can do it put your ass into it" and all that bullsh1t was a bigger shock.

Maybe not depth wise but certainly he had very huge albums by his own right. His first two albums were gems, I dont think anyone can disagree with that. He was arguably the badest battle rapper in his time, slaying MCs on the mic, and then you got him rapping about sharks during the credits of a movie.

And people stopped caring about that political hip hop after a while and people were forced to adapt. Cube did and PE didnt. Not saying I dont agree he fell from the top of hip hop. Just changed with the times. There is no way guys like Dre and Cube could be relevant 15-20 years after the fact without doing that. Its part of having that longevity. Same with LL.

[Walt Frazier]

then you got him rapping about sharks during the credits of a movie.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

to me, cube screaming "we be clubbin'" had a bigger "drop my head and wonder when the world got this way" impact on me

[westkoast2k2]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

to me, cube screaming "we be clubbin'" had a bigger "drop my head and wonder when the world got this way" impact on me

I agree its disapointing to see Cube getting chumped by little kids in movies and then to hear his raps on the soundtrack. Its sad very very sad.

BUT

LL was fukking battle rapping to fish at the end of the movie where hes some kind of cook. Talkin about the blue fin killing your next of kin.

Cube and LL lost.

[Trouble Man]

I agree its disapointing to see Cube getting chumped by little kids in movies and then to hear his raps on the soundtrack. Its sad very very sad.

BUT

LL was fukking battle rapping to fish at the end of the movie where hes some kind of cook. Talkin about the blue fin killing your next of kin.

Cube and LL lost.
Sad plights indeed.....guess after awhile of doing it so well you run outta sh!t to rap about and then your raps get mad weak and wack. Then there's rappers like Jay-Z who continued to rap about the same things each album and only slightly improve or regress....but then again he's retired now. I still feel Jay never reached his pinnacle, always felt he could do better if he tried. Rappers are like boxers...the great ones always fall off hard, look at Ali, Frasier, Ray Robinson...they just don't know when to quit. Even right now Holyfield is gettin his ass pummeled cause he is tryin to box way past his prime.

[Worm of Earth Jim]

Sad plights indeed.....guess after awhile of doing it so well you run outta sh!t to rap about and then your raps get mad weak and wack. Then there's rappers like Jay-Z who continued to rap about the same things each album and only slightly improve or regress....but then again he's retired now. I still feel Jay never reached his pinnacle, always felt he could do better if he tried. Rappers are like boxers...the great ones always fall off hard, look at Ali, Frasier, Ray Robinson...they just don't know when to quit. Even right now Holyfield is gettin his ass pummeled cause he is tryin to box way past his prime.
yo at least Laugh Now Cry Later was a top ten album of 06....maybe even top 5

Cube still got some life in him :yes:

[westkoast2k2]

yo at least Laugh Now Cry Later was a top ten album of 06....maybe even top 5
Cube still got some life in him :yes:

True!

Cube can still make records. LL can too but his last album was a disapointment whereas Cube's was a success and quality.

I tihnk Ice Cube's run from 88-96 is easily one of the best of all time. Very few are even comparable. I think it is almost unfair to mention LL cool J. Just my opinion.

[Black Ball]

This thread is on point, I've been listening to some old Cube & KRS-1 lately ('88-'90) and I'm surprised at how nice dude was with the lyrics way back then. He was nicer than KRS with the lyrics during this period.

I listened to "Grand Finale" and I was like :ohmy:, plus Eazy's verse which I know he wrote also.

Cube is so underrated in the Hip Hop community.

[Andre2999]

could someone up these? non zshare, mega or rapid. im tryna put someone up on cube.

[Worm of Earth Jim]

This thread is on point, I've been listening to some old Cube & KRS-1 lately ('88-'90) and I'm surprised at how nice dude was with the lyrics way back then. He was nicer than KRS with the lyrics during this period.
I listened to "Grand Finale" and I was like :ohmy:, plus Eazy's verse which I know he wrote also.
Cube is so underrated in the Hip Hop community.
:yes:
also the lyrics Cube was spittin on "Parental Discretion iz advised" was just :ohmy: :ohmy:

I be what is known as a bandit
You gotta hand it to me when you truely understand it
'Cause if you fail to see, read it in brail
Would it still be funky, so what's next is the flex
Of a genius, mirander stutter stepping, if you seen this
Dope, you hope that I don't really mean this
But it play, making greater high top fade
It's not my trademark when I get loose in the dark
You guess it was a test of a different style
It's just another mutha****er on the pile
Driving your ass with the floor of your tongue
You hung yourself short, be after knowledge was brung
To your attention by the hardest mutha****ing artist
That is know for lenching any sucker in a minute
Stagger 'em all
When I start flowing like Niagra Falls
Ice Cube is a quick to rip **** in a battle
Move like a snake when I'm mad and then my tail rattle
I get low on a flow so let your kids know
When I bust, parental discretion is a must
:ohmy: :yes: :king:

[westkoast2k2]

Let's also take into consideration some of the most fierce and funny classic diss lines...

Was just listening to 'everybody in the hood, know what ya doin, 1 white boy and two fukkin cubans'

[Taadow]

Even after this period, Cube dropped some classic ish:

"We Be Clubbin'"
"My Loved One"

"It's the Maniac, the Brainiac, and the Shadyac
while you trick nigguhs try to bring the 80's back
where the ladies at? We can just fucc wit' 'em
and drop 'em off, while you suckas get stuck wit' 'em"

-"Nobody"

[boombche_stum]

Cubes run= The best by any artist in hip hop.

Dude dropped straight classics time after time. 4 in a row with solo CD's... then his work with NWA and Westside Connection.... :ohmy:

He's my favorite MV of all time because of that period alone.

[Black Ball]

Even after this period, Cube dropped some classic ish:
"We Be Clubbin'"
"My Loved One"
"It's the Maniac, the Brainiac, and the Shadyac
while you trick nigguhs try to bring the 80's back
where the ladies at? We can just fucc wit' 'em
and drop 'em off, while you suckas get stuck wit' 'em"
-"Nobody"


"Greed" & especially "Ghetto Vet" was my sh!t.

[Taadow]

"Greed" & especially "Ghetto Vet" was my sh!t.

yes, those were also knocks.