View Full Version : What do you miss about pre 95 hip hop?
dterpsss
08-11-05, 04:06 PM
off the top
off the top
Straight percussion beats for singles. Like just the drum machine and the rapper.
Fat Sick Boot
08-11-05, 04:21 PM
I honestly think it was the style, the authority, the creativity. **** past 95 got really corny... like the 80s in the America. It was just a sense of relevance too. Like you could see your booty videos but at the same time a place like Rap City would play some **** that was relevant. Everything now is the standard rap&b knock off. Kiddie Stuff.
The late 80s and early 90s to hiphop was what the late 60s and 70s were to funk and rock.
westkoast2k2
08-11-05, 04:46 PM
I really miss the unique sound each region had and the unique formula each region used to put out albums.
Nas/Bravehearts going to Lil Jon for Quick To Back Down getting that south crunk-ish feel to their track or Game getting a havoc beat for him album. Not that its a bad thing but it just didnt happen often. Ice cube going to the bomb squad for production was actually a big deal.
Mr Sonny Dickens
08-11-05, 05:07 PM
I really miss the unique sound each region had and the unique formula each region used to put out albums.
Nas/Bravehearts going to Lil Jon for Quick To Back Down getting that south crunk-ish feel to their track or Game getting a havoc beat for him album. Not that its a bad thing but it just didnt happen often. Ice cube going to the bomb squad for production was actually a big deal.
I'm thinking that once Death Row hit the scene, the industry REALLY started to look at the money making potential of Hip Hop. In a sense, it's cool that ppl finally started to get paid but it kinda ruined Hip Hop. It made ppl greedy and rappers began to copy whatever sold.
Off top...quick and simple...Creativity
No Homo
08-11-05, 05:26 PM
I'm thinking that once Death Row hit the scene, the industry REALLY started to look at the money making potential of Hip Hop. In a sense, it's cool that ppl finally started to get paid but it kinda ruined Hip Hop. It made ppl greedy and rappers began to copy whatever sold.
yeah for real i think so also.
what i miss tho is just the sincerity in the music.
people nowadays just rap for the money.
Back then it seemed like it was in everyones passion to be an mc. The songs just sounded hungrier to me. People rapped about whatever they wanted to and if it was hot it was hot. No copy cats.
P.S. i love the idea for this forum :yes:
intelsis
08-11-05, 05:40 PM
rap city and the mayor chris thomas
ed lover and dr.dre on yo! mtv raps
Mr Sonny Dickens
08-11-05, 05:45 PM
rap city and the mayor chris thomas
ed lover and dr.dre on yo! mtv raps
I miss hearing a single and being able to go out and buy it. They had the Maxi singles that had the original mix, a "true" re-mix, acapella and instrumental. Why the hell they stop doing that? Seems like that would make even more money.
westkoast2k2
08-11-05, 05:55 PM
I'm thinking that once Death Row hit the scene, the industry REALLY started to look at the money making potential of Hip Hop. In a sense, it's cool that ppl finally started to get paid but it kinda ruined Hip Hop. It made ppl greedy and rappers began to copy whatever sold.
I dunno DR just happend to be the first to cash in on the whole popularity of hip hop and the acceptance of it into American culture. The record labels saw the $$$ after they noticed Run DMC was going platnium, Beastie Boys were going platnium, NWA was going platnium, etc etc.
The big difference was the fact that white america in massive droves was like 'hay we kinda like this and we are giving it the green light to be apart of American culture'. White people have been copping hip hop since Rappers Delight but not quite in full force from the early 90s till now.
blzd mc
08-11-05, 05:57 PM
its simple... the lyricism, the originality, and the passion
AKee1981
08-11-05, 05:59 PM
Native Tongues
rap city and the mayor chris thomas
ed lover and dr.dre on yo! mtv raps
Uncle ralph and Crazy sam....
*plays 5 minutes of funk*
Dunny Brasko
08-11-05, 07:40 PM
dirty basslines & pounding drums
The Ill Mechanism
08-12-05, 01:09 AM
tha main thing that I miss is that it seemed that people tried to make a good album all tha time. joints that were more times than not cohesive. whether it's perception or reality when I hear albums today they don't seem to made with care. like their treated as primarily products instead of works of art. & yes, I'm aware that we live in a capitalistic society but albums back then didn't seem so much like product. they seemed to me more like expressions of creativity & personal style.
gundam zeta
08-12-05, 05:17 AM
tha main thing that I miss is that it seemed that people tried to make a good album all tha time. joints that were more times than not cohesive. whether it's perception or reality when I hear albums today they don't seem to made with care. like their treated as primarily products instead of works of art. & yes, I'm aware that we live in a capitalistic society but albums back then didn't seem so much like product. they seemed to me more like expressions of creativity & personal style.
true.
i think it has more to do with the VJs and DJs, just being more open to different types of music. As with all non-videogame media, the teenager crowd, who really doesn't have a test for good music besides whats cool, is the key demographic
The Bilingual Gringo
08-12-05, 08:58 AM
Straight percussion beats for singles. Like just the drum machine and the rapper.
Exactly what I was going to say.
Jo Nasty
08-12-05, 11:18 AM
i miss the fact that emcees didn't have to make a song for the club or a song for the radio to get on the radio. plenty of dope shyt was gettin spins on radio and tv.
now its all about that radio single and the lovey dovey single for the ladies.
i also miss the fact that you can't play many albums out today from front to back. when i go on a road trip i want to put a cd in that i don't have to change for at least an hour. so must of the shyt i have to play is pre 95
Oztradamus
08-12-05, 12:19 PM
The Boom Bap
CSquare43
08-12-05, 12:31 PM
Originality.
westkoast2k2
08-12-05, 01:30 PM
#1 thing i miss?
Guys killing each other with skills instead of getting down (or pretending) in the street.
elle simple
08-12-05, 06:38 PM
it's corny but, I kinda miss having to stay up late to hear hiphop on the radio. Back then you had to know something that everyone else didnt know about to find out about artists.
Now hiphop stations are the norm, but they mostly play crap, and Joe Q. Public is more confused than ever about what hiphop can be.
Felonious Monk
08-13-05, 12:29 AM
Good stage show with crews..
When it from Dj's rocking wax in live concerts with break dancers for back up
to
Dj's scratching over the dat with male female back dancers
to
No Dj at all replaced with 40 million dancers and a big ole band..
Jack Tripper
08-13-05, 09:43 AM
Originality
:yes:
Antipathy
08-13-05, 10:10 AM
Creativity. Between the hip hop, DnB and House scenes we listeners were spoiled as fukk. Now:
1) Hip Hop has gone stale and commercial
2) DnB went too far underground to become grinding nerd-core
3) House lost its soul but otherwise never changed
Someone needs to invent a new genre ...
In the meantime, is there any problem posting albums that are out of print?
CSquare43
08-13-05, 01:12 PM
In the meantime, is there any problem posting albums that are out of print?
Nope...post them suckerz!!!
The Ill Mechanism
08-14-05, 04:35 PM
...I miss when practically every single that wuz released had a vocal, accapella & instrumental... & sometimes 3 extra remixes on tha cassete maxi singles & tha 12inches. marley marl & otha radio dj's blessed us with a lotta unbeleivable blends 'cause of that
It's ez....originality. Plus knowing that most of the time when you actually put money down for an album it was quality shiznet. Even the throw away tracks from albums then are better than the crap that's out now. (well not all haha) Not hating on those trying to make their money but this industry is shady and I don't like being force fed what the industry thinks I should listen too.
gotti capone
08-15-05, 05:16 AM
rap city and the mayor chris thomas
ed lover and dr.dre on yo! mtv raps
Fab 5 Freddy...
my thing is the soul that every beat had and gritty sound that every rapper had. it wasnt all about tryna get paid even tho cats were gettin' paid. but they loved it.
another thing is the videos that BET used to play. i'm form the South but i love the eastcoast sound and some of the videos that Rap City used to play made that possible. they used to play the up and comin' artist and not just any teeny bopper bullshyt that made the ratings look good. i miss this shyt.
gotti capone
08-15-05, 05:25 AM
oh yeah...
like i said earlier i missed that back then when cats would battle it was actually a battle. it was a challenge. it wasnt like" he did such and such to me so i'mma murk his ass". 2 cats in the middle of a park finna bust each others ass on the mic.
post 95 the art of Djayin' was almost lost.
Jason Voorhees
08-16-05, 04:25 PM
Cats bustin moves
You'd laugh at a nicca doin that today tho
dterpsss
08-18-05, 11:57 AM
Cats bustin moves
You'd laugh at a nicca doin that today tho
:laugh:
raw like suchi, genuine like Gucci - that's what came to my mind at first.
gangsta = dropping bomb on the wax, not shooting up half of the country or selling tons of crack
post 95 the art of Djayin' was almost lost.
Not really. DJ Q-Bert/Invisble Skratch Pikles actually evloved DJing into Turntablism, it just mostly went underground.
westkoast2k2
08-19-05, 09:31 AM
Not really. DJ Q-Bert/Invisble Skratch Pikles actually evloved DJing into Turntablism, it just mostly went underground.
Ya ill have to disagree even if anything Turntablism/DJing evolved from what was going on in the 70s and 80s to something completely different in the mid 90s. But lets give just credit to guys like Babu and the beat junkies for advancing turntablism also.
Scratching was always there as was battling but they brought a different element to what they were doing. What Mix master Mike, Qbert, and (forget his name now) did at the DMCs where they each were an instrument playing like a band alone showed how far its progressed from Kool Herc rocking parties back in the day.
BrainCellKilla
08-19-05, 03:41 PM
Groups, Duo's and DJ'ing.
Producers and 1 guy on a record for 70+ mins is BORING.
illwittdeez
08-21-05, 12:18 AM
I miss hearing a single and being able to go out and buy it. They had the Maxi singles that had the original mix, a "true" re-mix, acapella and instrumental. Why the hell they stop doing that? Seems like that would make even more money.
Man I owe you lunch for saying this SH!T I remember buying WHOO-HA and that sh!t was like buying and album it had so many remixes
dterpsss
08-23-05, 11:03 AM
no one uses the saxophone no more
dterpsss
10-26-05, 02:17 PM
....up
phatphuck
10-30-05, 09:31 AM
when 90% of the **** out was dope
now it's 90% + garbage
everyone had their own style and was original....then hip hop starting going downhill around the time biggie and pac died
5 Grand
10-30-05, 05:05 PM
There used to be more variety.
Seems like there was basically 1 style of rap up until like 87/88. It was either rap or it wasn't rap.
Then starting around 88, you had Miami Bass (2 Live Crew), Gangsta rap (NWA, Ice T), Political Rap (Public Enemy, BDP), Native tounges/Bohemian rap (tribe De La, etc.), and then you had your in between artists (Eric B and Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, EPMD) that just rapped about normal everyday things that you couldn't really classify.
The variety kept up until the mid 90s. Then around the time Big/Puffy got big you startedd noticing that the so-called "Alternative" groups (Jeru, Gang Starr, Mos Def, etc.) were labeled "underground" and you had to be a big-willy to be mainstream.
By like 2000, you had to have an iced out chain and drive a $100,000 car to be a rapper.
Nowadays, rappers are so out of touch with ordinary people.
And if you rap about everyday stuff, you are considered a "backpacker". Then again, its kinda the "backpackers" fault for making music that nobody likes.
Jack Tripper
10-30-05, 10:33 PM
Simply, everything.
Simply, everything.
seriously.
nice avi B
i just saw that 2500 joint
gotta save all my coins for that
elle simple
11-01-05, 03:04 AM
What Mix master Mike, Qbert, and (forget his name now) ...
I was thinking Shortkut, but I guess it's Apollo (thanks Google!)
and yea, Q-bert has said that what they do evolved out of hiphop, that's where the roots are, no doubt no doubt, but they're headed for the stars.
MenaceSquad
11-02-05, 12:45 AM
relaxed sampling laws...don't underestimate this
Poisonpen
11-02-05, 06:48 PM
I miss the Dj's putting on a show and surreptitiously battling each other. I also miss the James Brown and Malcom X sampling.
Koolest
11-03-05, 10:36 AM
Besides everything everybody wrote, I miss the fashion gear of pre 95, back then u wouldn't dress just like a rapper or buy some crap from a rapper, it was all original and u could tell who's from Brooklyn or the Bronx or Manhattan by the way they dressed.
C-DubbleYou
11-10-05, 10:50 AM
innocence
occasional sincerity
wackiness without the fear of being soft
purple, gold, green, black, red...all being worn at the same time
danja29
11-19-05, 12:21 AM
Everything was good till around late '96... before then, you could be whatever you wanted to be and if it was dope, it was dope. Regardless of whether it sold or not- if the music was hot, you could have a snowball's chance in hell. But then, it became "rap THIS way and you're on this side with the winners. Rap THIS way and you're an underground rapper and you're not hot".
I like all different types and styles of the music, but the seperation just messed things up in general, cause you couldn't hear it all on an even scale. That feel tried to come back around '99, but it just went back to the seperation... when FANS started carin' about how much a dude sold as opposed to the music itself, it totally got distorted.
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