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Skooby
09-04-03, 01:57 PM
From the NYTimes:

Betraying the Sick in Africa

There is an old joke about a man who kills his parents and then begs the court for mercy because he is an orphan. For such chutzpah on a global scale, consider President Bush's overseas AIDS initiative. In his last State of the Union address, the president announced a new program to fight AIDS in Africa and pledged $15 billion over the next five years. But instead of using existing channels, Mr. Bush created a new bureaucracy. Now the White House and Congressional Republicans argue that since the bureaucracy is not ready, dying patients must wait.

The Senate is scheduled to vote soon on an appropriations bill that contains $2 billion for the AIDS initiative — only $500 million more than this year's spending. The House has approved even less. This is the White House's doing. It is twisting arms to get Congress to cut its own program. The House and Senate had authorized $3 billion for next year.

This undercutting of trumpeted compassion initiatives is a habit with the president because of his devotion to tax cuts for the wealthy. But officials are arguing that AIDS money cannot be spent wisely because the office of the AIDS coordinator — and Africa — is not ready.

Both assertions are nonsense. The Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria is besieged with excellent vetted proposals from African nations desperate to fight AIDS. Multiple billions could be effectively spent on AIDS prevention and treatment and help for orphans. And countries that lack the ability to run good programs need money to build that capacity. But the Global Fund is too broke to help. If the administration cannot overcome its mysterious distaste for this organization, it could simply take some of the country proposals and finance them directly.

Senator Richard Durbin, an Illinois Democrat, is proposing to restore the full $3 billion. The Senate should adopt this amendment, then prevail upon the House. Several top Republicans, including President Bush and the Senate majority leader, Bill Frist, have recently been to Africa, where they hugged orphans and visited the dying. If they break America's promise on AIDS, they will be cynically using suffering Africans as nothing more than a photo opportunity.

uhKhonto we Sizwe
09-04-03, 02:09 PM
As soon as Bush said he was going to give money to Africa I started to laugh... Other than Nigeria and the Arabic speaking nations, there is not too much KNOWN oil reserves for Bush to exploit... He is concerned about the state of Liberia - the handful of troops stopped a civil war that's been going on for years in a couple of days???
What about the Congo - where civil war has been ongoing since the 1960's after the death of Patrice Lumumba... other than the world wars it is the bloodiest conflict in the 20th century, millions and millions have been killed...
What about Zimbabwe - Robert Mugabe has single handedly destroyed the economy of the one time breadbasket of Africa... They are receiving food aid from Mozambique, a nation that has been on the brink of famine most years... the conditions the "war veterans" have had on running out the white farmers and opposition leaders has wrecked the country, people are starving by the thousands...
What about Sierra Leone? Ivory Coast? Religious conflict in Sudan an Nigeria??

Bush could really turn things around in Africa, if he actually gave the money he promised...

Guidance

b psycho
09-04-03, 02:34 PM
Am I the only one that thinks the NYT practice of referring to politicians by "Mr so-n-so" is pompous?

Anyway...

Originally posted by Skooby
In his last State of the Union address, the president announced a new program to fight AIDS in Africa and pledged $15 billion over the next five years. But instead of using existing channels, Mr. Bush created a new bureaucracy.

Note the irony behind this.

This undercutting of trumpeted compassion initiatives is a habit with the president because of his devotion to tax cuts for the wealthy.

Please, we would've had a defecit even without the tax cut. This has nothing to do with it.


As for the program itself: I understand the whole breaking a promise thing, sucks when people say they're gonna do somethin and don't come through. However, I'd like to know what the nations of Africa plan to do with the money if they get it. If they aren't taking the problem seriously then no amount of money in the world will ease it.

The Ace
09-06-03, 01:52 PM
What could they or we have expected from an uneducated crack addicted D averaging Harvard graduate?

wh1t3b01
09-06-03, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by The Ace
What could they or we have expected from an uneducated crack addicted D averaging Harvard graduate?

-- gentleman's C,and it was yale. he got his mba from harvard i believe

The Ace
09-06-03, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by wh1t3b01


Whatever the thing is, the guy is still very uneduated and has his father to thanks for his presidency. The only reason why he went to Africa was because he wanted the black vote. He could give a fukk about starving Africans.

Yun' Ritzy
09-06-03, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by uhKhonto we Sizwe
As soon as Bush said he was going to give money to Africa I started to laugh... Other than Nigeria and the Arabic speaking nations, there is not too much KNOWN oil reserves for Bush to exploit... He is concerned about the state of Liberia - the handful of troops stopped a civil war that's been going on for years in a couple of days???
What about the Congo - where civil war has been ongoing since the 1960's after the death of Patrice Lumumba... other than the world wars it is the bloodiest conflict in the 20th century, millions and millions have been killed...
What about Zimbabwe - Robert Mugabe has single handedly destroyed the economy of the one time breadbasket of Africa... They are receiving food aid from Mozambique, a nation that has been on the brink of famine most years... the conditions the "war veterans" have had on running out the white farmers and opposition leaders has wrecked the country, people are starving by the thousands...
What about Sierra Leone? Ivory Coast? Religious conflict in Sudan an Nigeria??

Bush could really turn things around in Africa, if he actually gave the money he promised...

Guidance

Don't foget Chad. Over 20 Million died in Civil War recently

Antipathy
09-06-03, 04:36 PM
Just to play devil's advocate ... is there any sense in keeping alive people who are just going to infect others? Africa isn't exactly setting new standards for hygiene and safe sexual practices. Maybe it's best to cut losses?

uhKhonto we Sizwe
09-06-03, 04:56 PM
Is there any point in letting anyone live if we find a fault in them? It's all about being compassionate, why try to save a premature baby? It's because that individual is someone's mother, father, brother, or sister, their everything...
I personally am one of those that believe AIDS has been manufactured (cue laughter and conspiracy theory comments), but it's not the first time people have used biological weapons as population control... Look at the smallpox infected blankets given to Indigenous Americans, look at the Tuskegee experiment... Man is evil... The Development of the AIDS virus was funded in 1969 through funds obtained by the United States Defense Department via House Bill 15090. Look it up if you can find it... it's out there, along with a document called the strecker memorandum of 1983...
The best way to infect anybody is through their water supply, staple foods, and sexual activity... Massive plans are being done at both government and grassroots levels to combat the AIDS virus, but they are not given coverage, because they have really made progress in places like botswana, ghana, tanzania... If they had more resources they could potentially starve out AIDS, as it is seen where there is programs of help, the infection rate goes down dramatically...

BUT this information is never under our noses, therefore we look upon it as a lost cause...

Guidance

Yun' Ritzy
09-06-03, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by Antipathy
Just to play devil's advocate ... is there any sense in keeping alive people who are just going to infect others? Africa isn't exactly setting new standards for hygiene and safe sexual practices. Maybe it's best to cut losses?

Depends which part of Africa you're talking about. The East Africa has some of the lowest AIDS % in the world