Why is it gangsta to be ignorant and portray a life of crime???

[halfpastamazin]

Shouldn't african americans be disappointed the Cam'ron and his Dip**** set have further helped to reinforce negative stereotypes that have plagued Blacks since our introduction into this white mans society. Why is selling crack and other forms of zombie inducing narcotics something to proud of in our communities. Why is murdering our black brothers something to be proud of, something which bestows credibility in our neighborhoods.

many rappers portray that thug life, but no group has embraced this as much as Cam and his flunkies. Instead of us looking up to jay z and Puffy and master p and Russel simmons for their entreprenuerial spirit and steadfastness we bask in the stupidity and ignorant ******ish attitudes of acts such as 50 cent, Cam'ron and the idiotic Beanie sigel . We need to show these artists that negative portrayals about our communities is irresponsible and shouldn't be tolerated. We are losing the battle to keep hip hop as the dominating music expression for our generation. we have the power to unite the masses to ensure its survival. if we don't send a message that glamourizing the destruction of our race is evil, we as a people shall never realize the fruits of our forefathers labor.


one

[Black Pride]

No

[rodimusprime]

what's gangsta is taking people from their land and killing, raping and enslaving them. Gangsta is letting planes fly into the towers because you're too busy racially profiling licensed drivers. Gangsta is killing your own people with chemical weapons. Gangsta is starting a war for oil. gangsta is lying about weapons of mass destruction. Now should white people be ashamed of that? then why blacks got to identify with every bad thing a black person does. typical white thinking.

[mbayer4]

Obviously a well thought out post, but you posted it on the wrong forum. I agree with what your sayin, but you'll probably receive a lot of hate from SOHH being that half of the members are Dipset stans and the other half are 50 di*k riders.

[MenaceSquad]

"50 Cent spews feel-good sing-along ni99ativity of the highest calibre.

he's just playing his position.

Don't hate."

[nas escobar]

Originally posted by rodimusprime
typical white thinking.

[mbayer4]

Originally posted by rodimusprime
what's gangsta is taking people from their land and killing, raping and enslaving them. Gangsta is letting planes fly into the towers because you're too busy racially profiling licensed drivers. Gangsta is killing your own people with chemical weapons. Gangsta is starting a war for oil. gangsta is lying about weapons of mass destruction. Now should white people be ashamed of that? then why blacks got to identify with every bad thing a black person does. typical white thinking.

I don't see the connection...He is talking about glorifying drug dealers and killers. I don't see whites glorifying slavery, terrorism, mass destruction, etc. I know there are those who do, but they are just as wrong as the people that he is talking about.

[MenaceSquad]

Originally posted by rodimusprime
what's gangsta is taking people from their land and killing, raping and enslaving them. Gangsta is letting planes fly into the towers because you're too busy racially profiling licensed drivers. Gangsta is killing your own people with chemical weapons. Gangsta is starting a war for oil. gangsta is lying about weapons of mass destruction. Now should white people be ashamed of that? then why blacks got to identify with every bad thing a black person does. typical white thinking.

lol

halfpastamazin got sonned

[Barney]

haha at this nicca using cam'ron as his example

[rodimusprime]

Originally posted by mbayer4
I don't see the connection...He is talking about glorifying drug dealers and killers. I don't see whites glorifying slavery, terrorism, mass destruction, etc. I know there are those who do, but they are just as wrong as the people that he is talking about. I guess you've never met a republican.

[Mr. Belvedere]

Originally posted by rodimusprime
what's gangsta is taking people from their land and killing, raping and enslaving them. Gangsta is letting planes fly into the towers because you're too busy racially profiling licensed drivers. Gangsta is killing your own people with chemical weapons. Gangsta is starting a war for oil. gangsta is lying about weapons of mass destruction. Now should white people be ashamed of that? then why blacks got to identify with every bad thing a black person does. typical white thinking. ^^Completely irrelevant.

[mbayer4]

Originally posted by rodimusprime
I guess you've never met a republican.

Well, I'm not gonna defend his stance for him, but there is a lot wrong with this world (not to sound like a b*tch) and none of it should be glorified.

[halfpastamazin]

i am a proud memeber of the african american persausion. i just find it reprehensible that we as a people find 50 cent and Cam'ron to be gangster and therefore idiolize them because they have good beats. we look past all the negativity that they bring to us as a people, why is it good to have sold crack or been shot. why do we glamourize the thug life, why do we put more emphasis on cars and jewelry than treating our black women with respect and ensuring our kids are raised in a safe environment.

[Mr.Sam]

Jay-Z, Master P both glorify guns, violence, drugs, etc...just as much as anyone else.

[BlackAf Jr.]

All that stuff you are against is the definition of "gangsta". If you are against criminal acts and recklesness then you are against "gangsta" in itself. The thread should not be why are these acts gangsta but instead why do people respect and admire "gangsta".

[jayshiggs]

Originally posted by BlackAf Jr.
All that stuff you are against is the definition of "gangsta". If you are against criminal acts and recklesness then you are against "gangsta" in itself. The thread should not be why are these acts gangsta but instead why do people respect and admire "gangsta".

Exactly, decaying society IMO.

[rodimusprime]

no one looks up to these guys it's just a way of grouping all black together. I don't know about where ya'll live but if you ask the average black kid around here they ain't being gangsta. They ain't selling drugs, robbing and killing. Ofcourse they want to be cool, ofcourse they want nice materialistic things. But every race wants this.
So basically the author of this thread is saying all blacks are idolizing this gangsta life when it's not true. Our parents don't teach us to be gangsta. Our kids see the consequences of thos acts, prison, death and aids they are not envious.
Now you really must be distant from the population if you think just cause it's in a video it's what kids are going to be. That's just ignorant. That's as bad as saying Italians all want to be in the mob cause of the Soprano's. A really simplistic and stupid way to look at our society. Criminals don't commit crimes to be cool. It's out of desparation and feeling they have no other means of survival. Case closed.

[halfpastamazin]

look, i understand that hip hop is a business, that many artists rap about these topics to sell records, but you have to acknowledge when something has become a cancer, and right now certain individuals are a cancer ie; 50cent and Camron.

As for the guy that says Jayz and puffy glamourize guns you need to get your facts straight. we all know what puffy is into and thats partying and Jay z has diversified himself so much that i consider him a mogul more than an artist. he doesn't have to rely on gun talk heavily.

[rodimusprime]

Originally posted by Mr. Belvedere
^^Completely irrelevant. my shyt was on point. you can't deny it. only blacks get grouped in with all the bad stereotypes of our race in this country.

[Restless]

grow up in an all black projects and then ask this question you gated community ass cracka

[halfpastamazin]

Originally posted by rodimusprime
no one looks up to these guys it's just a way of grouping all black together. I don't know about where ya'll live but if you ask the average black kid around here they ain't being gangsta. They ain't selling drugs, robbing and killing. Ofcourse they want to be cool, ofcourse they want nice materialistic things. But every race wants this.
So basically the author of this thread is saying all blacks are idolizing this gangsta life when it's not true. Our parents don't teach us to be gangsta. Our kids see the consequences of thos acts, prison, death and aids they are not envious.
Now you really must be distant from the population if you think just cause it's in a video it's what kids are going to be. That's just ignorant. That's as bad as saying Italians all want to be in the mob cause of the Soprano's. A really simplistic and stupid way to look at our society. Criminals don't commit crimes to be cool. It's out of desparation and feeling they have no other means of survival. Case closed.



in your attempt to sound intelligent you completely misinterpreted my original post, i am in no way grouping all blacks together. i simply stated that such individuals such as Cam'ron and %0 cent have helped to reinforce negative attiutdes that people have towards hip hop. How am i talking about balck people being lumped together. Please if you have no valid point just eread the post and move on don't bother to comment on it

[rodimusprime]

Originally posted by halfpastamazin
in your attempt to sound intelligent you completely misinterpreted my original post, i am in no way grouping all blacks together. i simply stated that such individuals such as Cam'ron and %0 cent have helped to reinforce negative attiutdes that people have towards hip hop. How am i talking about balck people being lumped together. Please if you have no valid point just eread the post and move on don't bother to comment on it first of all I don't try to sound smarter than you i just am. so if I confuse you go read a book and come back. I speaking with simple words we should all be able to understand after graduating high school.
secondly, hip hop is a black art form. we are the race most identified with this music. do you deny this? And don't you try to back peddle as if you first post had nothing to do with race when the first sentence said "we as african americans ..." I'm trying to sound intelligent? Why don't you stop sounding stupid?

[rodimusprime]

Originally posted by halfpastamazin
Shouldn't african americans be disappointed the Cam'ron and his Dip**** set have further helped to reinforce negative stereotypes that have plagued Blacks since our introduction into this white mans society.

but this ain't a race thing?

[Black Pride]

Originally posted by halfpastamazin
in your attempt to sound intelligent you completely misinterpreted my original post, i am in no way grouping all blacks together. i simply stated that such individuals such as Cam'ron and %0 cent have helped to reinforce negative attiutdes that people have towards hip hop. How am i talking about balck people being lumped together. Please if you have no valid point just eread the post and move on don't bother to comment on it

Such individuals as Cam'ron and 50 Cent are grown men who make their own decisions, It's not their job to work in the best interests of the African-american community because of what outsiders think,
They're not reinforcing anything, people that have negative attitudes towards hip hop are gonna stay biased regardless, and if idiots like them can't even take the time to dive deeper in this culture and find out that that's only one of aspects of it then their opinon aint **** in the first place.

[halfpastamazin]

Originally posted by rodimusprime
first of all I don't try to sound smarter than you i just am. so if I confuse you go read a book and come back. I speaking with simple words we should all be able to understand after graduating high school.
secondly, hip hop is a black art form. we are the race most identified with this music. do you deny this? And don't you try to back peddle as if you first post had nothing to do with race when the first sentence said "we as african americans ..." I'm trying to sound intelligent? Why don't you stop sounding stupid?


Who is backpeddaling, i love hip hop and yes it is the artform of the Black people. but **** *****, im not blind to see when the **** is becoming rediculous. how many times can you rap about kis of coke and **** and bodying a *****. i have beef with certain artists ignorance and glamourizing of the thug mentality. you can sit and try to defend 50 cent and Cam'rons'ignorance or you can listen and realize that maybe they are helping to create a negative environment which is giving the government reason to probe into hip hop. Everytime i hear a kid talk about 50 cent they talk about him being gangsta cause he got shot 9 time s and ****.

You need to shut the f u c k up and opemn your eyes.

one

[halfpastamazin]

Originally posted by Black Pride
Such individuals as Cam'ron and 50 Cent are grown men who make their own decisions,.........They're not reinforcing anything, people that have negative attitudes towards hip hop are gonna stay biased regardless, .



this is my point, people who have negative attitudes about hip hop are fueled by these two idiots. 50 cent and cam'ron only talk about drugs and violence. that ain't hip hop, how are they reppin our culture, why would anyone wanna learn about the culture by listening to these two. Cam'ron even said fukk hip hop. 50 cent only cares about the money, he doesn't care about the art. why should i defend these *****s when they help destroy what so many have fought to preserve

[rodimusprime]

Originally posted by halfpastamazin
Who is backpeddaling, i love hip hop and yes it is the artform of the Black people. but **** *****, im not blind to see when the **** is becoming rediculous. how many times can you rap about kis of coke and **** and bodying a *****. i have beef with certain artists ignorance and glamourizing of the thug mentality. you can sit and try to defend 50 cent and Cam'rons'ignorance or you can listen and realize that maybe they are helping to create a negative environment which is giving the government reason to probe into hip hop. Everytime i hear a kid talk about 50 cent they talk about him being gangsta cause he got shot 9 time s and ****.

You need to shut the f u c k up and opemn your eyes.

one you need to learn how to spell and also realize that music is an art. so everyone brings their individual point of view to the table. dumbasses like you would have us listen to Kweli and Chuck D all the time. They are entertainers. If you don't like them don't listen to them. Only a fool would think just cause you listen to cam you are going to be like him or want to be like him. get your simple ass out of here.

[Mic Soloist]

Originally posted by halfpastamazin
Shouldn't african americans be disappointed the Cam'ron and his Dip**** set have further helped to reinforce negative stereotypes that have plagued Blacks since our introduction into this white mans society. Why is selling crack and other forms of zombie inducing narcotics something to proud of in our communities. Why is murdering our black brothers something to be proud of, something which bestows credibility in our neighborhoods.

many rappers portray that thug life, but no group has embraced this as much as Cam and his flunkies. Instead of us looking up to jay z and Puffy and master p and Russel simmons for their entreprenuerial spirit and steadfastness we bask in the stupidity and ignorant ******ish attitudes of acts such as 50 cent, Cam'ron and the idiotic Beanie sigel . We need to show these artists that negative portrayals about our communities is irresponsible and shouldn't be tolerated. We are losing the battle to keep hip hop as the dominating music expression for our generation. we have the power to unite the masses to ensure its survival. if we don't send a message that glamourizing the destruction of our race is evil, we as a people shall never realize the fruits of our forefathers labor.


one


Totally agrees



*bumps Brother Ali*


-mic-

[Black Pride]

Originally posted by halfpastamazin
this is my point, people who have negative attitudes about hip hop are fueled by these two idiots. 50 cent and cam'ron only talk about drugs and violence. that ain't hip hop, how are they reppin our culture, why would anyone wanna learn about the culture by listening to these two. Cam'ron even said fukk hip hop. 50 cent only cares about the money, he doesn't care about the art. why should i defend these *****s when they help destroy what so many have fought to preserve

Thing is, most hip hoppers don't care what people with negavtive attitudes think because they don't know **** about the culture in the first place.

[Mic Soloist]

Originally posted by mbayer4
Obviously a well thought out post, but you posted it on the wrong forum. I agree with what your sayin, but you'll probably receive a lot of hate from SOHH being that half of the members are Dipset stans and the other half are 50 di*k riders.

[Pr0x1mo]

Originally posted by halfpastamazin
Shouldn't african americans be disappointed the Cam'ron and his Dip**** set have further helped to reinforce negative stereotypes that have plagued Blacks since our introduction into this white mans society. Why is selling crack and other forms of zombie inducing narcotics something to proud of in our communities. Why is murdering our black brothers something to be proud of, something which bestows credibility in our neighborhoods.

many rappers portray that thug life, but no group has embraced this as much as Cam and his flunkies. Instead of us looking up to jay z and Puffy and master p and Russel simmons for their entreprenuerial spirit and steadfastness we bask in the stupidity and ignorant ******ish attitudes of acts such as 50 cent, Cam'ron and the idiotic Beanie sigel . We need to show these artists that negative portrayals about our communities is irresponsible and shouldn't be tolerated. We are losing the battle to keep hip hop as the dominating music expression for our generation. we have the power to unite the masses to ensure its survival. if we don't send a message that glamourizing the destruction of our race is evil, we as a people shall never realize the fruits of our forefathers labor.


one


Yup.

That's why i find it funny when people ridicule concious music, or "nerd rap" like canibus.

They say things like "us street *****s don't be understanding that crap", openly admitting their lack of education, and their own persistence to remaining ignorant.

And they also say: "you like canibus? you must be white!"

As if they're making fun of whites for liking something intellectual, and at the same time accusing Canibus to be an uncle tom for trying exceed something past the "street" level understanding.

But guess what? What color is canibus? Oh, then he must be trying to be white if he's trying to be smart eh?

fools.

But hey, if that's the the type of stereo types you want associated with that "street *****" image, then so be it.

[Mic Soloist]

Originally posted by rodimusprime
I guess you've never met a republican.

LMAO

You are so typical...

it must suck to be so predictable


-mic-

[halfpastamazin]

Originally posted by rodimusprime
you need to learn how to spell and also realize that music is an art. so everyone brings their individual point of view to the table. dumbasses like you would have us listen to Kweli and Chuck D all the time. They are entertainers. If you don't like them don't listen to them. Only a fool would think just cause you listen to cam you are going to be like him or want to be like him. get your simple ass out of here.


what you need to do is hop off Cam'rons dikk and resign as director of his e- team operations. i am by no means touting kweli and chuck D, Nas and Jay z are my favorites emcees. i camn say that these two *****s don't dwell on gunplay and drugs as much as cam and 50 do so shut the fukk up fagget!!


one

[Mic Soloist]

Originally posted by Pr0x1mo
Yup.

That's why i find it funny when people ridicule concious music, or "nerd rap"

But hey, if that's the the type of stereo types you want associated with that "street *****" image, then so be it.

[Mic Soloist]

Originally posted by halfpastamazin
i am a proud memeber of the african american persausion. i just find it reprehensible that we as a people find 50 cent and Cam'ron to be gangster and therefore idiolize them because they have good beats. we look past all the negativity that they bring to us as a people, why is it good to have sold crack or been shot. why do we glamourize the thug life, why do we put more emphasis on cars and jewelry than treating our black women with respect and ensuring our kids are raised in a safe environment.

[Mic Soloist]

Originally posted by Black Pride
Such individuals as Cam'ron and 50 Cent are grown men


i can't tell

[Black Pride]

Originally posted by Pr0x1mo
Yup.

That's why i find it funny when people ridicule concious music, .

Every form of music that involves the use of words is "conscious" music,
And lol@you trying to use Canibus for an example, the same guy who rhymed about killin LL in front of his kids

[Black Pride]

Originally posted by Mic Soloist
i can't tell

Because you don't want to, you don't know what these guys been through, it's not their responsibility to be role models and raise other people's kids,
If that's how they wanna live their life then so be it.

[Mic Soloist]

Originally posted by Black Pride
Because you don't want to, you don't know what these guys been through, it's not their responsibility to be role models and raise other people's kids,



it might not be their responsibility but it would be nice if they would take it upon themselves to make it their responsibility instead of giving in to what is popular at the moment and what the "white" label owners want them to do.


-mic-

[Mic Soloist]

Originally posted by Black Pride
to use Canibus for an example, the same guy who rhymed about killin LL in front of his kids

that was a bad example

[Black Pride]

Originally posted by Mic Soloist
it might not be their responsibility but it would be nice if they would take it upon themselves to make it their responsibility instead of giving in to what is popular at the moment and what the "white" label owners want them to do.


-mic-

It would be "nice" but they probably didn't come up in a "nice" place so their music is gonna reflect that,
The problem is that simple-minded people give the Artists too much power over them.

[Pr0x1mo]

Originally posted by Black Pride
Every form of music that involves the use of words is "conscious" music,
And lol@you trying to use Canibus for an example, the same guy who rhymed about killin LL in front of his kids


Is that the only thing he rhymes about? Is that the image he portrays himself in? That he is an actual killer? That he sell drugs?

What does Canibus glorify more about himself? The fact that he kills, or the fact that he has skills?

Shut - up - next!

[Pr0x1mo]

Originally posted by Black Pride
Because you don't want to, you don't know what these guys been through, it's not their responsibility to be role models and raise other people's kids,
If that's how they wanna live their life then so be it.

No, when these monkies do their thing i.e. Nelly, 50 cent etc.. they are the puppet product of their marketing strategist.

They do what their told, and rap about things that will sell more to make their label more money.

[Black Pride]

Originally posted by Pr0x1mo
Is that the only thing he rhymes about? Is that the image he portrays himself in? That he is an actual killer? That he sell drugs?

What does Canibus glorify more about himself? The fact that he kills, or the fact that he has a brain?

Shut - up - next!

lol,
Next my ass,
It's still gonna have the same "effect" yall are talking about so that doesn't make it any better,
50 and Cam speak on their pasts and how they feel about things which happens to be seen as negative 2 most people,
And if you knew your **** you would know that the media are the ones glorifying their actions for the most part,
You act like that's the only thing they rhyme about,
Obviously another person who only knows half the story.

[ursohype]

No one grows up wanting to murder and deal drugs. Never seen a kindergarden student choose crack dealer as his desired occupation. Its the environment that forces these otherwise good people to engage in criminal activity. Atleast I like to think that is partly true. The fact that we live in a world that is very unfair does not help the cause of the poor man. Damn, I aint even poor at all and I still want more be it a pair of shoes, a nice car or a Louis Vuitton wallet. Its the capitalism/consumerism that makes everyone want more. The problem is that if our society stopped buying into the crap that the governments have spent the last 80 years creating, the world economy would collapse.

[Pr0x1mo]

Originally posted by Black Pride
lol,
Next my ass,
It's still gonna have the same "effect" yall are talking about so that doesn't make it any better,
50 and Cam speak on their pasts and how they feel about things which happens to be seen as negative 2 most people,
And if you knew your **** you would know that the media are the ones glorifying their actions for the most part,
You act like that's the only thing they rhyme about,
Obviously another person who only knows half the story.

oh please mr sympathetic to crappy music, please do explain what these lamo's rap about other than:

Money
*****es
Cars
Drugs
Violence
Bling
etc..

Oh, p.s. Do you know the difference between figurative, and literal?

Does canibus say that he literally kills people in his rhymes?
NO.

But these clowns do!

[halfpastamazin]

all i am saying, is that its not cool to glorify negativity because it reflects back on us as a people and culture

one

[ursohype]

Originally posted by halfpastamazin
all i am saying, is that its not cool to glorify negativity because it reflects back on us as a people and culture

one

I agree with you, but you have to accept that the people who believe that rap music accurately depicts black people are naive and if Mos Def or Common were selling like 50 it wouldn't change people perceptions. These ideas are perputuated through the media, and there ain't no way your gonna revamp the media cause the powers who control aint about hearing what the average person has to say.

[ursohype]

Originally posted by halfpastamazin
all i am saying, is that its not cool to glorify negativity because it reflects back on us as a people and culture

one

The people who use the media to confirm or deny their suspicions about a race of people cannot be salvaged. If Mos Def or Common were selling 7 million records, their impressions would not be altered. The media controls people's perceptions if they are able/willing to find out for themselves.

[Black Pride]

Originally posted by Pr0x1mo
oh please mr sympathetic to crappy music, please do explain what these lamo's rap about other than:

Money
*****es
Cars
Drugs
Violence
Bling
etc..

Oh, p.s. Do you know the difference between figurative, and literal?

Does canibus say that he literally kills people in his rhymes?
NO.

But these clowns do!

lol,
It's easy for you to sit behind your CPU in a suburb and judge their actions when you haven't came from the same place as them,
Do you know the difference between reality and fantasy? As an artist their supposed to make their tales seem as real as possible, It's not their fault if idiots run with it,
Music's main purpose isn't to be used as a teaching tool,
The fact that you think their music is crappy is irrelevant cause that's your opinion,
And I like how you left out the fact that they rap about:

Religion

War

Love

Family

and the consequences that could result from the actions that they speak on.