((( The Starting Lineup )))

[Spitbricks]

I have no idea why I'm doing this (more than likely boredom) but here's my list of the top 5 SOHH emcees EVER.. I've been peepin' the site off and on since like late '98, so I've seen alotta come.. I've seen alotta go.. but lemmie kick this **** off proper like in no order..

1. Da Warden/Confusion and or Buddah Mac - Ok, I cheated.. I had about six in mind and since these two sorta kinda resemble each other (don't hit) me I'll put them together.. they're both ridiculously talented (although Buddah loses me more times than I care to admit) and are probably two of the most profound lyricsts I've ever had the honor of studying.. I say studying, cuz they on some deep **** usually and I have to read it about 4 or 5 times over to grasp the peice.. but their some sick cats and it SURE WOULD BE NICE IF THEY'D DO A COLLABO OR SOMETHING.. *hint hint nudge nudge*

2. Myth Killa - This cat was on a whole 'nother plane.. seriously, I used to be blown away by the amount of skills this kid had and he was young as **** too (like my age :D).. his flow/wordplay/lyrics were all there..

3. Da Queen Of Espionage - Q of E is an enigma.. she's like 80% emotion and 20% talent.. don't miscontrue that as saying she doesn't have talent cuz she's probably got more in her pinky than I'll ever have in my entire body, but she's probably one of the most emotional writers I've seen on her.. You read that **** like "Damn.. that's heavy".. She could write a joint about her running over a dog and make YOU feel bad about that **** (but not me cuz I'm too gully for that).. Oh yeah, and she's cool as **** too... and stuff..............

4. Da Mercinary Solja aka Intellect aka Merc_Cuban aka Whatever The **** - Dre pisses an ungodly amount of folks off, as well as receives an extrordinary amount of hate, but NO ONE can discredit the work he put into this board.. There was a point and time where this ***** would be batting like 6 or 7 cats AT A TIME.. :eek: :eek: :eek: Easily one of SOHH's greatest battlers ever.. Also look out for his album droppin' soon (Check the Audio Lounge for details)..

5. Metaforce - This cats wordplay was RIDICULOUS.. EASILY my favorite poster of all time.. He was accused of being an Eminem clone (although the influence was apparent) but I never thought he just jacked dude's steez.. money was just plain nasty with the lyrics.. we used to go back and forth waaaaaaaaaay back in the days in those numerous classic FLOWZONE cyphas and he was just murdering ****.. damn, that cat was cold..

So there you have it, say what you will about my list, and if you want post your own, just include WHY you chose that person in order to keep it movin'..

[AsIaDDiCt]

copy/paste is great, i can't believe u have things other than rhymes saved on your hard drive... dufus

[Buddah MAC]

Originally posted by Spitbricks
but their some sick cats and it SURE WOULD BE NICE IF THEY'D DO A COLLABO OR SOMETHING.. *hint hint nudge nudge*


forget this already? http://www.sohh.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=75513

or mebbe you meant encore, to which, I agree

[Buffet Dre]

Spit.

Thanks for all the praises and stuff but i too fat to see my feet so how am i gonna kick rhymes? Those many battles that you peeped many years ago were ok. I mean im still spitting the same kinda sh!t considering ive been on this site for how long now? I dont even know how to rhyme, I whine it tough tones, and punch in cuz i lost my breath control in a undercooked pork burger years ago. Feels me dirty? But thanks anyway. I still suck, you still suck, we just suck.

Dont forget to buy my album that was supposed to be realesed 3 years ago on my cousins label that my sister funded that i cant even get signed to. They just give me throwback beats for my throwback rhymes.


:: MCGRIDDLES ::

[keylomc3]

LMAO.......wow

[DJRob]

Quite a decent list but don't swa even get an honourary mention. That was one HOT rapper. Remember his endless battle with buddha mac back in the days? Spectacular and off the hook are a few words that come to mind.

Anywayz, nuff respect to all yall.

Lata

[AsIaDDiCt]

Originally posted by DJRob
Quite a decent list but don't swa even get an honourary mention. That was one HOT rapper. Remember his endless battle with buddha mac back in the days? Spectacular and off the hook are a few words that come to mind.

Anywayz, nuff respect to all yall.

Lata

lol@swa groupie

[DJRob]

Hey, I'm just recognizin talent. You just mad cuz I never called out your name too.

[Mike Dividovich]

dre the mercinary soulja is the best emcee ever.

plus he has crusty lips. people with crusty lips are great rappers.

queen of espionage went to jail. yay.

i fvcking hate black people.

[Neo Regular]

LOL@ this thread.

[Spitbricks]

Originally posted by Neo Regular
LOL @ this thread.

As well as :confused:

[Respect the King]

Any links to this greatness?

[keylomc3]

No RTK.. this is sort of like older hip-hop heads who claim KRS One and all those other losers were talented, just because they came from their time, and because vintage means you're good.. there's no proof

[yaga]

Originally posted by Respect the King
Any links to this greatness?

I did a quick scan over the Open Mic Forum's history and found that the new admin. chopped off about a Gig of memory off the server.

AKA - all the good sh*t's gone.

but i found some sh*t from Con FusIon, #1 on Bricks' list...

Solar Flare 3 - Con FusIon feat. Rukus and Buddah MAC (http://www.sohh.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=75513)

[keylomc3]

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say in a mean way. There is only shhit from a year or two ago left.

[Jay Pee]

Wow!!!! some ish neva changes...what up world

[Spitbricks]

Originally posted by keylomc3
No RTK.. this is sort of like older hip-hop heads who claim KRS One and all those other losers were talented, just because they came from their time, and because vintage means you're good.. there's no proof

Who the hell is this clown? LOL.. Fall back, homie.. EVERY SINGLE PERSON on that list is INCREDIBLY talented.. don't get mad at me cuz YOUR ass ain't on there..

The nerve of this fool.. :rolleyes:

[yaga]

Originally posted by Spitbricks
Who the hell is this clown? LOL.. Fall back, homie.. EVERY SINGLE PERSON on that list is INCREDIBLY talented.. don't get mad at me cuz YOUR ass ain't on there..

The nerve of this fool.. :rolleyes:

Don't worry, Mr. Bricks. keylomc3 is a jealous kid. He's lucky the old threads are gone. It would probably break his heart to find that he's actually not that good.

Keylo... ya see?! I'm not the only one!

[keylomc3]

Originally posted by Spitbricks
Who the hell is this clown? LOL.. Fall back, homie.. EVERY SINGLE PERSON on that list is INCREDIBLY talented.. don't get mad at me cuz YOUR ass ain't on there..

The nerve of this fool.. :rolleyes:

Oh damn! I'm so pissed off and angry that my name isn't on the list for top 5 greatest SOHH textcee. :rolleyes: And LOL @ yaga, YOU need to fall back.. go find your sex wax and fix up your board, bruh!

[keylomc3]

http://www.sohh.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=87958

http://www.sohh.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=91452

Spitdicks, I would be willing to bet your favorite artist would have me on his favorite artist list.. HAHAH!

LOL @ yaga still riding my balls almost 2 years down the road! Classic Spicoli!

[Teacher]

I think session or B. Mac should be on it over Da Queen....i think you only put her up because.....u know what....heh

[Neo Regular]

yeah, Session's signed now.

[Teacher]

really???who is he signed too? i hope its a 'real' label not no indie junk,...

[Midnite]

Originally posted by Teacher
really???who is he signed too? i hope its a 'real' label not no indie junk,...


hope so too....Ive heard a couple joints by him, kid is mos def talented

[Neo Regular]

Originally posted by Teacher
really???who is he signed too? i hope its a 'real' label not no indie junk,...

:(

Well damn, if you don't like the Indie route...yes, he IS signed to an Indie Label.

www.qn5.com

[Teacher]

its not about me liking or disliking...indie route ain't sh*t...all i gotta do is copyright my label name...and boom i'ma label....

see what i'm saying? indie's don't carry weight unless theres a big name on it...

[Reflection 3000]

nice

[WordsWrath]

list was solid..

but i would put KRONIC PLAGUE as the best battler though ..dre aint touchin him.yal remember that KP VS TONEDEFF AUDIO BATTLE? damn kp ate tone up.

as far as deep isht goes.. buddah mac and con was on point.


..session,darknight,lucent etc..were sick too.

[Buddah MAC]

Originally posted by keylomc3
No RTK.. this is sort of like older hip-hop heads who claim KRS One and all those other losers were talented, just because they came from their time, and because vintage means you're good.. there's no proof

no proof? dunno bout the rest, but I could just toss up some ol 98-99 **** like nothin

THE TRILOGY:
-Part 1
It begins, hazy June night, playin hustle under street lights/ break for Gatorade, radio played, our subject hit by sound and hyped/ beat don’t move his feet but mind spins with vocabulary/ another cat mumblin, rhymin barely, Tre marks him adversary/ lets loose his first freestyle, and an emcee is born/ props given and thoughts swarm, bore dreams to perform/ sets focus serious, writin til he can’t move his wrist/ seeks feedback of daps or dis, then reworks where **** missed/ months walk through, he doin clubs, city-wide builds a buzz/ homemade demos for his peeps and they boys demandin dubs/ a tape hits producer’s ear, calls Tre up, intentions clear/ workin on local compilation and wants his participation/ Tre jumps at the proposition, even earns his position/ on the tape with the great rhyme he kicks on audition/ track number 6 is where he fit on the mix/ and after album gets released, the love starts to increase/ getting local show play, so hits producer right away/ for a pro demo Tre can shop to labels that’ll pay/ after months of shippin tapes, responses accumulate/ his fav label needs a newest act, ink bled on contract
-Part 2
so he’s dotted line obligated to have an LP created/ within a half-year’s time, so thought set all on rhymes/ label’s production crew gives him beats to rummage through/ labelmates wanna collab too (promotion label makes em do)/ soon a month passes by, Tre got his debut scripted/ hits the studio and rips it, label reps dead equipment/ “we pictured a different direction, let us tell you our perception/ on our artist’s first try, need broad-market based perfection/ to get big sales goin so our profits stay growin/ and this effort that you’re showing tells me you ain’t knowin/ our intentions for you, Tre: cash cow for year 2/ so do mostly what you’re told to, and next album you’ll be ‘true’”/ so they tell him rhyme on trends, *****es, streets, ice, ends/ regretfully picks up the pen and starts to write again/ after some negotiation, Tre keeps some of his creation/ but label still holds final say on what goes and what stays/ finally recording completed, as label masters, Tre is seated/ before an image consultant, whose every word is to be heeded/ “act this way at this event, in interviews, here are your statements/ then appearances on these TV stations, with wardrobe in a week, be patient”/ the contract sez he must comply, flexin an image that’s a lie/ a projection of what suit & ties think will help their sales rise/ the promotion is wide reachin, all media is preachin/ for headz to buy this album, Tre weakened from corporate leechin/ he hears his promos played, and is ****in amazed/ that wack beats were subbed in, producer's sales numbers lovin/ after delays to gain more hype, the album finally drops/ barely hits the charts, label labels it a flop/ sold decent, not near gold, won’t recoup money oversold/ tho critics claim some cuts bold, Tre just fell into the fold/ of another in the current mold, his contract ain’t renewed/ he retreats, becomes subdued, and love of hip-hop gets all skewed/ from public eye, fell out, returns home labeled sell out/ label pimpin the next one, no love for work Tre shelled out
- Part 3
a few months later, Tre rode life’s elevator/ lobby to roof, sudden decent has him crashed in parent’s basement/ depression’s set in from the lesson: even fulfilled dreams can shatter/ and after shards get further scattered, stings to speak on subject matter/ slowly settles back in own life, but still it’s like a thrown knife/ whenever headz mention his debut or argue if he stayed true/ but time heals those wounds as well, a few months later you could tell/ Tre’s mood was much improved but love for rhymes removed/ catz beg for battle sessions, Tre sez he ain’t even messin/ he was taught a tragic lesson, that ripped him from hip-hop’s essance/ impressions of him change now, not a fake cat for the take down/ but a butchered corporate cash cow…know the cycle spins like tao/ and one night of b-ball on the block, a beat’s bangin out the box/ Tre’s straightning up his socks, peeps turn the radio off/ and look in amazement at the sight they see before em/ when beat stopped, Tre ignored em, streamed consciousness and poured it/ out unconsciously until his flow floods the street/ his echo hits his ear, and finds that he’s creatin/ the lines everyone’s in awe of, his boys all show him love/ push him out the basement, his skill shoves him above/ as he rekindles the passion for poetic tounge lashin/ soon rhymin on the block again, drawin crowds til 3AM and then/ the headz finally give respect back, bump the ill album tracks/ he then relates the facts on how they got him up the ass/ but he won't play ***** again, never a poster-boy or mannequin/ for public display, and that very day, hooked back up with his friend/ producer who started him out, tells him, “this time there’s no doubts/ gonna show what hip-hop about, and I’ll take the route/ of an independent label, one that holds their artist stable/ in higher regard than earnings, that’s the environment I’m yearnin”/ so they collabo on a promo, cut called “**** The Corporation”/ where Tre seperates the hip-hop nation from the industry’s creation/ elation from the underground as a new anthem is crowned/ headz who hated give pounds as the response from all around/ gets that indie attention, finds a fav, signs with intention/ to make a record of redemption that’s 100% his invention/ turns out to sell well in local markets, draws huge crowds in the parks and/ every single track he sparks it hits dead center of the target/ content now that he sees how he fell to distorted vision/ of made-for-TV music had him trapped into a prison/ of profit; hip-hop unlocked it, and his essance has been clensed/ after hard road that he traveled, a new journey begins….

[W.I.Z.E.]

:confused:

I disagreed w/ Keylo cats like KRS, Rakim etc. are ill. Just like cats on SOHH from circa 98 are ill. The above post is some proof, no doubt but it's not like there haven't been ill or iller pieces since then. And so it's like havin' top 5 emcees and havin' nothing but young cats or nothing but old cats. Neither one is truly accurate. The true depiction of greatness prolly has a mix from "old" and "new".

Plus, y do u post here anymore anyway...all you do is post to hear yourself speak.

Look out for Buddah's new LP "Mirror Recitals"

[W.I.Z.E.]

Originally posted by Teacher
its not about me liking or disliking...indie route ain't sh*t...all i gotta do is copyright my label name...and boom i'ma label....

see what i'm saying? indie's don't carry weight unless theres a big name on it...

:confused:

this is prolly not the place for this as this thread was an illustration of Spitts top 6 list....but how would explain Master P, Jay and others that started off indie. Also, wut's your idea of an indie label?

[Spitbricks]

30 replies and everyone has something to say about MY list, but won't come off with their own? :confused:

And Teach, that's retarded as hell.. You gotta start from somewhere.. Just cuz you slap your name on a CD doesn't mean you're a label, it means you slapped your name on a CD, pimpin'.. don't knock another cats hustle..

[W.I.Z.E.]

Originally posted by Spitbricks
30 replies and everyone has something to say about MY list, but won't come off with their own? :confused:

And Teach, that's retarded as hell.. You gotta start from somewhere.. Just cuz you slap your name on a CD doesn't mean you're a label, it means you slapped your name on a CD, pimpin'.. don't knock another cats hustle..

lol..wait..I thought this was YOUR list not a question for us ALL to add OUR lists...my bad.

My list is.

1.) Labrat
2.) Tony Sparticus
3.) Sub Zero
4.) Lawlus
5.) Angry Midget

[WordsWrath]

my f*ckin list


1)Zarbon Spitwell/Kronic Plague
2)Darknight
3)Lucent
4)Bionic Man
5)J.C

[keylomc3]

My list

1)Keylomc3
2)Spitbricks
3)Deity Infinite
4)Labrat
5)Mister T
6)Wordswrath

[WordsWrath]

Originally posted by keylomc3
My list

1)Keylomc3
2)Spitbricks
3)Deity Infinite
4)Labrat
5)Mister T


LOL..this was bound to happen..

and i knew it was gonna be some honky. :ucku:

[keylomc3]

Originally posted by keylomc3
My list

1)Keylomc3
2)Spitbricks
3)Deity Infinite
4)Labrat
5)Mister T
6)Wordswrath

[WordsWrath]

LOL

[Woo Child]

1. Confusion aka Da Warden
2. Spit Bricks
3. Session
4. Buddah Mac
5. Kronic Plague

and SWA gets my 6th man award...



Bricks....ya list SUCKS!!!!! haha




holla


Woo

[Neo Regular]

I'm shocked to see people remember other peoples' texts like that.


My top 6 (off my head)

1.) Zarbon Spitwell
2.) Sub Zero
3.) Tonkatsu
4.) Salah
5.) Wizeguy
6.) CharOn (dude's narrative game is impressive as hell).

[keylomc3]

Did you mean top textcee's?

[spanky freedom]

this is sort of like older hip-hop heads who claim KRS One and all those other losers were talented, just because they came from their time, and because vintage means you're good.. there's no proof


-krs was honest, clever, witty with words..
he spiced up the 'conversation'. if ur gonna give rundmc any props, ur gonna be blown away by krs lyrically.
any emcee that is hot today is only so because they got a chance to build off krs or a kat who built off him.
what u think? that kats werent flowing like eminem in 85 *just because?

so it truelly is a matter of time.. just like in sports.
u cant say ty cobb sux because he had less than 200 homeruns.
u would say that because we are living in a glorious homerun period, but if u are a fan of 'baseball' u also respect its history and can make observations on what was going on around the game to prevent 60 hr's.

ball parks were 100 feet bigger
kats didnt have the supplements they do today or weight room technology
its often refered to as the deadball era because the balls were not stitched as tight... todays balls are like them skybouncers u buy in a quarter machine at the supermarket.



same analogy can be put to hiphop. the art has grown. the rhyming of back then fit the beat.
there is no doubt tho that it has gotten more poetic and deep and real(tone) and all around better.
no question..
do more than half the rappers today that go platinum have better skills (at this point) then the best rapper in 85?
yes.
but the game today is FOR today.
there is no game in hiphop.. it is one continuously building entity.

[keylomc3]

He still sucks

[W.I.Z.E.]

Originally posted by spanky freedom
do more than half the rappers today that go platinum have better skills (at this point) then the best rapper in 85?
yes.
skills (at this point) then the best rapper in 85?
yes.
but the game today is FOR today.
there is no game in hiphop.. it is one continuously building entity.

I'll take 85 but not 88..

Kane, KRS, Rakim, vs. Fabolous, Lil John, Nelly..

Remember YOU said half. I feel that there is a level of ignorance and understandably so about older hip hop artists. Cats don't know wut it was like to hear Slick Rick on the radio. You can measure his greatness not ONLY by his music but his INFLUENCE. W/o Rakim there would be no Nas. Flat out. W/o Kane...Jay would not exist. ANd this is in more ways than one cuz Jay's VERY first time on Wax wuz on a Kane record.


I respect new artists AND old artists but A LOT of people speak on HIP HOP w/o knowing a lot of historical facts.

[spanky freedom]

You can measure his greatness not ONLY by his music but his INFLUENCE. W/o Rakim there would be no Nas. Flat out. W/o Kane...Jay would not exist.

-exactly..

yea there's no question.. 88 braught it there.. it was like the year the game came together at a level which years to follow would be measured up against.
slick rick joints are still on the radio... and a story is a story from the books of a hunnit years ago to now. slick rick's stories are BETTER than most of today. still.

if u listen to rakims rhymes over and over u might start getting a different meaning from the one u origionally got.. the way he structured his bars to build within eachother.
and he was all confidence and it was all pure emcee material.. no charactature. no coolaid.

[Neo Regular]

I find myself in a timewarp too...because I grew up on the late 80s/Early 90s era...that to me was the best timeframe...I can't really get into all this ish that's out now...Chingy...Fabolous...Eminem...hell, I don't even like 50s CD no more once I came to my senses...and don't even LET me get on artists that's out who don't even write their own lyrics...that to me just REAKS gimmick.

[Woo Child]

blah at the history lesson...SOHH ain't got no 20 year history, so the cats on the lists from the "golden" era aren't far removed from these new jacks...but i'd put money on the fact that everyone on MY list can still lay into everyone of the cats that came after...and i beat all them cats...cept Session..haha...


Woo Child = The Truth

[Advent Verbal Kent]

If you were old enough to understand what you were hearing or didnt understand but you knew you felt something...

...then 88 was a great year.


AvK

[W.I.Z.E.]

Originally posted by Woo Child
blah at the history lesson...SOHH ain't got no 20 year history, so the cats on the lists from the "golden" era aren't far removed from these new jacks...but i'd put money on the fact that everyone on MY list can still lay into everyone of the cats that came after...and i beat all them cats...cept Session..haha...


Woo Child = The Truth

Let's use that logic for finding out who are the ALL-TIME NBA greats.

If I'm understanding you correctly, YOUR list would have people that could beat anyone, even todays stars. But again by having a list like that you don't truly capture greatness. The NBA greats of all time aint McGrady, Kobe, Iverson and Duncan. Sure in time they may make that list but currently, Jordan, Erving, Johnson, Bird, etc. hold the rank.

Same in hip-hop or SOHH. It's the greatest over a period of time.

[Spitbricks]

WTF does KRS-One have and '88 have to do with this ****? :confused: