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Diggy_Dat_Niggy
06-18-09, 01:26 PM
How to Lose Fat with Cardio: Long Duration Cardio vs HIIT

Posted: 18 Jun 2009 04:00 AM PDT

Cardio for Fat Loss: Long Duration Cardio vs HIIT
Cardio for Fat Loss. Image credits: CMarino

Cardio is the most popular way to lose fat. But is it the best? And should you do long duration cardio or HIIT? Empty stomach cardio or not? This article will teach you how to really lose fat with cardio


Wrong Ways to Use Cardio. Cardio only speeds up fat loss. You can lose fat doing strength training & eating healthy only. 2 common cardio errors are:

* Neglecting Strength Training. Don’t try to lose fat doing cardio without strength training. Excessive cardio burns muscle, causing the skinny-fat look. You need strength training to prevent muscle loss & build muscle. Check StrongLifts 5×5, it only takes 3×45mins/week.
* Eating Unhealthy. Cardio without healthy nutrition is a waste of time. A healthy diet will make you lose fat faster. Apply the 8 nutrition rules.


Long Duration Cardio. This is cardio for 30-45mins at a steady state. On a machine or long runs outside. Pros & cons of long duration cardio:

* Burns Fat. 30mins long duration cardio burns about 500kcal. This allows you to create a caloric deficit without dropping your daily calorie intake.
* Increases Endurance. If you’re out of shape, long duration cardio is the easiest way to increase your cardiovascular fitness.
* Boring & Time Consuming. For maximal fat loss you’ll need 3 sessions of 30-45 mins per week. This can be boring & repetitive.


HIIT. High-intensity interval training. Example: alternate 60sec jogging with 30sec sprints for 15mins. Pros & cons of HIIT cardio:

* More Efficient. Burns more fat and increases your cardiovascular fitness more than long duration cardio does.
* More Fun, Less Time-Consuming. Takes only 15-20mins and is much more fun than 30-45mins long duration cardio.
* More Difficult. HIIT will make you puke if you’re a beginner with zero endurance. HIIT can also mess with your recovery.


Long Duration Cardio or HIIT? If you’re a beginner with 20-30% body fat, lose fat using long duration cardio. This is physically & mentally easier than HIIT. Couple this with strength training & healthy nutrition.

Your endurance will increase once you can Squat 1.5x your body-weight for at least 1 rep. That’s 300lbs if you weigh 200lbs – with your hips going lower than your knees. When you can do that, you’r ready for HIIT.

Realize that although long duration cardio is less efficient than HIIT, it burns fat. While our body fat might not go down as fast, it will go down. And since long duration cardio is easier, you’re less likely to skip workouts or quit.


How to Do Long Duration Cardio. I recommend long duration cardio if you have zero endurance. Remember: cardio without strength training & healthy nutrition is useless. Do StrongLifts 5×5 & apply the 8 nutrition rules.

* Moderate Intensity. 60-70% of your max heart rate (which is 220 – your age). So if you’re 20 years old, that’s between 120-140bpm.
* 3×45mins. Start with 15mins straight post workout without eating in between. Add 1min each workout until you can do 45mins.
* Elliptical trainer. Most people enjoy the elliptical trainer most. But anything works: rower, stationary bike, outdoor runs, …


How to Do HIIT. The point with HIIT is to get out of breath. If you’re doing it on a machine: choose a resistance that allows you to go as fast as you can when sprinting. But better is to go outside and have fun. Some ideas:

* Sprints. You can do these on a machine, but outside is better. Alternate 60sec jogging with 30sec sprinting. Repeat for 15mins.
* Burpees. 5 sets of 10 burpees with 30sec rest in between. Always try to beat your previous time. Build up to 10 sets of 10 burpees, then to 100 burpees in a row. Make sure you do a Push-up from the floor.
* The Bear. Do without resting 1 rep Power Clean, Front Squat, Overhead Press, Back Squat & Behind Neck Press. Repeat 4x without resting. This is your 1st set. Do 5 sets with 30sec rest in between. Build up to 8 sets of 5. When that gets easy, start adding weight (5lbs/2.5kg). Video.


When to Do Cardio. Most people don’t have time to train 6x/week. Those who can often burn out physically & mentally after a few weeks.

* Post Strength Training. Harder, but you have more rest days and can do more cardio. Example: MO/WE/FR weights first, then cardio.
* On Rest Days. Include days for total recovery: 3 days on, 1 day off, 2 days on, 1 day off. Example: MO/WE/FR weights, TU/SA cardio.


What About Empty Stomach Cardio? While it can be more effective for fat loss, I don’t recommend empty stomach cardio for 2 reasons:

* Time Consuming. You have to train 2/day since your Squat would suffer if you’d do cardio first. Means more driving back & forth and showering.
* Lower Back Health. Your spines hydrates at night. This makes it more prone to injuries. Your spine needs 1 hour on waking up to dehydrate. Loading & bending your lower back during that 1st hour is risky. Best is to have a solid breakfast, then do strength training and then cardio.


Do You Need Cardio for Cardiovascular Fitness? No, read this & this post. Strength training increases cardiovascular fitness. Personal example:

* I have a sedentary job. I do strength training 3x/week. No HIIT, no runs, nothing. You can follow my training log for more info.
* Last time I went for a run, I ran (not jogged) for 30 mins. Most people I know can’t even handle 15mins. When I went ski-ing, endurance was never holding me back while it was with some of the other guys.

Unless you do sports that need endurance (MMA, boxing, rugby, …) you don’t need cardio. Strength training will increase your cardiovascular fitness above average. Increase your Squat and you’ll see. The proof is in the pudding.

KINGBLU
06-18-09, 01:32 PM
good shiit

Q-TwEEzY
06-18-09, 03:33 PM
Would you consider full court basketball HIIT or more Long Duration Cardio?

Diggy_Dat_Niggy
06-18-09, 09:50 PM
Would you consider full court basketball HIIT or more Long Duration Cardio?

fullcourt basketball is more high intensity than long duration

usually they mean LISS, low intensity steady state cardio. Heartbeat under 130 beats per minute.

Id rather run fullcourt anyday than sit on a treadmill for an hour if I had the option all of the time

nalej
06-19-09, 02:42 AM
Overall a good article but even though this guy says you don't need cardio once you are in shape, I like the benefits of it that strength training can't give. Those are making my overall body more flexible, getting that runners high and also getting a good sweat in which always feel refreshing.

Jilla82
06-19-09, 10:47 PM
saying you shouldnt do HIIT till you can squat 1.5 times your weight sounds way off.
thats alot of weight that many people who are in great shape cant do

Cool The Kid
06-19-09, 11:05 PM
saying you shouldnt do HIIT till you can squat 1.5 times your weight sounds way off.
thats alot of weight that many people who are in great shape cant do
If I lost 20# I would be there

I'm gettin sloppy. Gonna do my old cardio routine 2x week... this is good shyt though

HarlemAL82
06-22-09, 03:54 PM
Good sh1t.

I think Ill migrate between here and the coliseum. The spot is on some bulsh1t right.

Q-TwEEzY
06-22-09, 06:07 PM
Good sh1t.

I think Ill migrate between here and the coliseum. The spot is on some bulsh1t right.

The Spot is a joke right now. 96% 1 star threads

caramellady85
06-30-09, 10:39 PM
good thread...

K-Matic
06-30-09, 10:52 PM
Kinda related: I ride a bike 3 days a week (every other day).

I just bumped it up to 6 miles with each trip. I like it better than jogging and running on a treadmill.

Diggy_Dat_Niggy
06-30-09, 11:40 PM
Kinda related: I ride a bike 3 days a week (every other day).
I just bumped it up to 6 miles with each trip. I like it better than jogging and running on a treadmill.

way better

ElmhurstPK
07-21-09, 09:50 PM
what are burpees and The Bear?

caramellady85
07-21-09, 10:09 PM
what are burpees and The Bear?
burpees
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-SX_Arp-qE

they're good


wow. just looked up the bear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKlTquAYSvU

Kronz
07-22-09, 07:14 PM
20 rep squats = my kind of cardio...

Gonna have to try out The Bear.. that looks fun

HarlemAL82
07-22-09, 07:25 PM
burpees
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-SX_Arp-qE

they're good


wow. just looked up the bear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKlTquAYSvU
That bear sh1t look tuff. Got to try that out.

Q-TwEEzY
07-22-09, 08:07 PM
:blush: @ the Bear lady... she need to go deeper though...

:lift:

Kronz
07-30-09, 03:54 AM
Did 6 reps of The Bear with 95 lbs and that shiit damn near killed me. I really gotta step my endurance up. But that is a great exercise.

4north1side2
07-30-09, 11:04 AM
Would you consider full court basketball HIIT or more Long Duration Cardio?

Definitely HIIT

Mowgli
07-30-09, 06:08 PM
Jump Rope for 30 minutes. U gelatinous slobs will definately lose some lb's

Reggie Mantle
07-31-09, 12:04 AM
I started doing HIIT last week, and damn that sh*t works. My legs felt the burn, but I feel lighter on my feet and run faster than before. I need to get another routine though, just to mix it up.

Return of the Jedi
07-31-09, 01:12 AM
Uhhh, in track, we ran ran both distance and HIIT (well distance runners did...And the HIIT was still big distances)...For example, Monday we'd do a 4-mile run (of course we usually had a certain pace we'd have to hit, like 6:00-8:00 per mile depending on ya skill level...but that's on a competitive level)...Then tuesday would be sprint work, like 6 400M's, which granted isn't HIIT, but it's close.

I can't see why you can't alternate between duration cardio and DIIT...Seems like alternating between both would be healthy, burn fat, and cover all bases (assuming you're also lifting).

Cool The Kid
08-02-09, 12:36 AM
I think it's important to make an honest assessment of your cardiovascular health. Right now my stamina is low. It would be better for me to just do steady state cardio now to acclimate my body to cardio and build my stamina, as well as, most importantly, burn fat. Then once I am good for a decent hour long run or so, move up to HIIT.

If the end goal is to burn fat though.... I mean at the end of the day it's about how many calories you burn. HIIT seems to me to do nothing but save time.

Turbulent
08-02-09, 02:22 PM
I think it's important to make an honest assessment of your cardiovascular health. Right now my stamina is low. It would be better for me to just do steady state cardio now to acclimate my body to cardio and build my stamina, as well as, most importantly, burn fat. Then once I am good for a decent hour long run or so, move up to HIIT.

If the end goal is to burn fat though.... I mean at the end of the day it's about how many calories you burn. HIIT seems to me to do nothing but save time.
i don't know. from what i hear HIIT burns slightly more because it's more of the cardio involved which somehow (could be wrong, don't quote me on this) speeds up your metabolism which makes you burn more fat.

eastside313
08-04-09, 02:00 AM
nothin like hiit. I was on some shiit like chest monday , hiit tuesday, back Wednesday, hiit thursday and so on.

I was heavy on the hiit on the eliptical back in the winter, and then I had a stopped working out for bout 2 months when I had a new yamp(young tramp) and tried to jump back into it and damn I damn near passed out. I still aint got back to doing 20 minutes of hiit yet:sadcam:

hiit is cool cause having to do cardio for 50 minutes is not whats poppin

Cool The Kid
08-04-09, 06:41 AM
nothin like hiit. I was on some shiit like chest monday , hiit tuesday, back Wednesday, hiit thursday and so on.

I was heavy on the hiit on the eliptical back in the winter, and then I had a stopped working out for bout 2 months when I had a new yamp(young tramp) and tried to jump back into it and damn I damn near passed out. I still aint got back to doing 20 minutes of hiit yet:sadcam:

hiit is cool cause having to do cardio for 50 minutes is not whats poppin
LOL true I guess u do burn a lot more calories

Point Blank Era
08-05-09, 12:28 AM
calories in vs calories out.

As long as I got some music on my iPod I don't really mind running for w.e time