So what exactly did FORD do wrong

[Ed Gizzle]

other than the legacy/UAW crippling costs, the only wrong product line decisions IMO were the decline in the ford Taurus, and lack of innovation in the Lincoln Towncar and Crownvic..

The F series truck is not only the best truck money can buy every single year, its the best selling vehicle for like 20 years straight.

the explorer regardless of how out of place it is now used to sell like gangbusters, even the fukkin PROBE did....the mustang is the mustang...i'd not release the bytch-versions of the car but it is what it is..

internationally the ford fiesta and mondeo still sell like a motherfukker, and they are the small economical cars the media crys about.

What would you all have done differently. Personally, the new Fusion looks dope too, by the way.

[mrsnifles2]

I don't think anybody knows exactly where Ford went wrong. Me and the old man was talking about this too.

[King Sun]

making there electrical systems out of clay. and the reliability of regular ford cars

[mrsnifles2]

making there electrical systems out of clay. and the reliability of regular ford cars

Hadn't thought about that. They did have quite a few recalls. That firestone thing was heavy.

[Ollie Williams]

making there electrical systems out of clay. and the reliability of regular ford cars
Well, there you have it.

[Diggy_Dat_Niggy]

Well, there you have it.

I remember the recall in the Taurus and some other cars that would make it self combust due to an electrical issue.

having the acronym found on road dead and fixed or repaired daily doesnt help issues.

But I do like their new like of cars like the edge. Their sport model trucks are also sweet.

[Ed Gizzle]

the reliability issues weren't as big as you guys are putting on other than the tire issue, which was FIRESTONE'S fault.

The F series truck can take like 500,000 miles if treated well...i mean there are 30 year old F150s still running well. Crown Vics, although aren't my thing, are the same way.

The 90s' Taurus and Escort and Probe however...had some problems..

[lucky_lefty]

making there electrical systems out of clay. and the reliability of regular ford cars
the bolded....had a explorer and a expedition and it was ALWAYS somethin....transmission went out on both before 50k, electrical issues, poor interior...great design & intent but sh!tty results

[longmeat]

I remember the recall in the Taurus and some other cars that would make it self combust due to an electrical issue.
having the acronym found on road dead and fixed or repaired daily doesnt help issues.
But I do like their new like of cars like the edge. Their sport model trucks are also sweet.

****ed over rebuilt dodge

[Aelyas en passant]

o wrong product line decisions lack of innovation .

they(gm included) started paying lobbyists to tilt the market in their favour
so they could outsell imports especially those terrible 350hp. 9mpg things
they started making.
now the empire is striking back...

[Ed Gizzle]

they(gm included) started paying lobbyists to tilt the market in their favour
so they could outsell imports especially those terrible 350hp. 9mpg things
they started making.
now the empire is striking back...
it is impossible for a lobbyist or group of lobbyists to tilt a buying market. 100%...impossible

[JKFrazier]

They focused too much on their trucks and neglected the car lines. Ford is doing pretty well now. They're really close to turning it around.

[Aelyas en passant]

it is impossible for a lobbyist or group of lobbyists to tilt a buying market. 100%...impossible

youre either uninformed or confused

The gas guzzler law, created in response to the oil shortage of the 1970s, imposes a tax on vehicles that get less than 22.5 miles per gallon of gasoline, starting at $1,000 and climbing to $7,700 for cars that get less than 12.5 mpg.
The law did not cover light trucks because most vehicles that fit the definition at the time, including pickup trucks and vans, were used for businesses and farms.
the deytroit lobby succesfully got suv's classified as light trucks though they knew most would be used for non commercial purposes
The explosion in the number of SUVs in the 1990s increased the number of vehicles that qualified as light trucks. why because
US automakers could enjoy profit margins of $10,000 per SUV, while losing a few hundred dollars on a compact car. For instance, the Ford Excursion could net the company $18,000, while they could not break even with the Ford Focus unless the buyer chose options.This led to Detroit's big three automakers focusing resources and design on SUVs .
But it was artificial it couldnt last and the playing field started to level itself out
now the big 3 are bleeding to death.
and stupid legislation like this, for example,there is a very heavy tax on the Mercedes-Benz S500, which gets 16 mpg in the city and 24 mpg on the highway. But there's no tax on the Mercedes-Benz ML350 SUV, which gets 16 mpg city and 20 mpg highway.
the goverment never helps it just distorts markets as long as lobbyists and washington interfere American automakers will never succeed.

[The Bilingual Gringo]

That SUV stuff is true. Why do you think there was such an explosion of them on the market, across the board for all auto makers.

[HighPostLikeHakeem]

They cut the LS and replaced it with the wack-ass Zephyr/MKZ.

[Ed Gizzle]

youre either uninformed or confused
The gas guzzler law, created in response to the oil shortage of the 1970s, imposes a tax on vehicles that get less than 22.5 miles per gallon of gasoline, starting at $1,000 and climbing to $7,700 for cars that get less than 12.5 mpg.
The law did not cover light trucks because most vehicles that fit the definition at the time, including pickup trucks and vans, were used for businesses and farms.
the deytroit lobby succesfully got suv's classified as light trucks though they knew most would be used for non commercial purposes
The explosion in the number of SUVs in the 1990s increased the number of vehicles that qualified as light trucks. why because
US automakers could enjoy profit margins of $10,000 per SUV, while losing a few hundred dollars on a compact car. For instance, the Ford Excursion could net the company $18,000, while they could not break even with the Ford Focus unless the buyer chose options.This led to Detroit's big three automakers focusing resources and design on SUVs .
But it was artificial it couldnt last and the playing field started to level itself out
now the big 3 are bleeding to death.
and stupid legislation like this, for example,there is a very heavy tax on the Mercedes-Benz S500, which gets 16 mpg in the city and 24 mpg on the highway. But there's no tax on the Mercedes-Benz ML350 SUV, which gets 16 mpg city and 20 mpg highway.
the goverment never helps it just distorts markets as long as lobbyists and washington interfere American automakers will never succeed.
but what i'm saying is that even with those incentives you can not make people DESIRE those vehicles. People desired SUVs at that time, not because they were such a great tax benefit, but because they were big shiny and expensive.

nothing in washington can change people from wanting big expensive things that are new. SUVs at that time were.

[JKFrazier]

They cut the LS and replaced it with the wack-ass Zephyr/MKZ.
The LS platform was getting old and was expensive to make. Jaguar took it and revised it for the XJ/XF but Ford didn't have that type of money to spend on it. So basing the new ones off the Fusion saved them a lot of money.

[KarteL13]

Soaring gas prices is went wrong.

[beaniemac]

youre either uninformed or confused

The gas guzzler law, created in response to the oil shortage of the 1970s, imposes a tax on vehicles that get less than 22.5 miles per gallon of gasoline, starting at $1,000 and climbing to $7,700 for cars that get less than 12.5 mpg.
The law did not cover light trucks because most vehicles that fit the definition at the time, including pickup trucks and vans, were used for businesses and farms.
the deytroit lobby succesfully got suv's classified as light trucks though they knew most would be used for non commercial purposes
The explosion in the number of SUVs in the 1990s increased the number of vehicles that qualified as light trucks. why because
US automakers could enjoy profit margins of $10,000 per SUV, while losing a few hundred dollars on a compact car. For instance, the Ford Excursion could net the company $18,000, while they could not break even with the Ford Focus unless the buyer chose options.This led to Detroit's big three automakers focusing resources and design on SUVs .
But it was artificial it couldnt last and the playing field started to level itself out
now the big 3 are bleeding to death.
and stupid legislation like this, for example,there is a very heavy tax on the Mercedes-Benz S500, which gets 16 mpg in the city and 24 mpg on the highway. But there's no tax on the Mercedes-Benz ML350 SUV, which gets 16 mpg city and 20 mpg highway.
the goverment never helps it just distorts markets as long as lobbyists and washington interfere American automakers will never succeed.

correctamundo. this goes for GM and chrysler as well. but more GM tho.

[Aelyas en passant]

but what i'm saying is that even with those incentives you can not make people DESIRE those vehicles. People desired SUVs at that time, not because they were such a great tax benefit, but because they were big shiny and expensive.
nothing in washington can change people from wanting big expensive things that are new. SUVs at that time were.

desires can be manipulated ,thats what the sales guys on the lot do
if what you say is true there would only be cashiers at dealerships coz nobody can talk you into anything.......like mcdonalds
buying a car is also an emotional decision thats why you get in it..... test drive..........etc
....secondly the price of those cars was manipulated by exempting them from gas guzzler taxes and luxury taxes otherwise they would have to compete with the range rover and benz 500 se....i desire a range rover but the price puts it out of my reach..........for now

[KarteL13]

desires can be manipulated ,thats what the sales guys on the lot do
if what you say is true there would only be cashiers at dealerships coz nobody can talk you into anything.......like mcdonalds
buying a car is also an emotional decision thats why you get in it..... test drive..........etc
....secondly the price of those cars was manipulated by exempting them from gas guzzler taxes and luxury taxes otherwise they would have to compete with the range rover and benz 500 se....i desire a range rover but the price puts it out of my reach..........for now


real talk

[evf77]

they created the Ford Explorer and a transmission that dies after 10,000 miles.

[detroitwalt]

just hit 150k on my 2k explorer, nothing major so far.
*knocks on wood*

[JKFrazier]

they created the Ford Explorer and a transmission that dies after 10,000 miles.
That's almost as bad as the Honda autos that grenade themselves before 50K.

[King Sun]

That's almost as bad as the Honda autos that grenade themselves before 50K.
hammer dont hurt em :mj2: