Breaking News: GM cuts Pontiac

[The Bilingual Gringo]

http://www.cnn.com/

Damn, and this is just the beginning.

[Logic86]

About time those cars were trash with there BMW knock off grills

[JKFrazier]

About time those cars were trash with there BMW knock off grills
:smh:

The Pontiac split-grille has been on Pontiacs since the 60's maybe even before. And the G8 GXP will be a collector's item in 20 years. That car is amazing.

[The Bilingual Gringo]

Werd, those G8 GXP's are f*cking dope.

They did it to themselves though, the Aztek was the icing on the cake for that mess.

[-Dominicankid-]

Damn I liked the direction they were going in too oh well if it saves chevy atleast its worth it

[Logic86]

:smh:
The Pontiac split-grille has been on Pontiacs since the 60's maybe even before. And the G8 GXP will be a collector's item in 20 years. That car is amazing.
So you trying to say Pontiac had the grill first?

[Ollie Williams]

:ohmy:

[JKFrazier]

So you trying to say Pontiac had the grill first?
They've had it in different variations for a damn long time. It might not have looked it does now but it is an evolution. BMW wasn't even on their map when they started it.

[King Sun]

man maybe i can get a gxp g8 for cheap now

[daemonova]

they made some good loking cars does that mean that the price of those cars isw coming down

poor old nicca thinks its a cadallac

[Logic86]

They've had it in different variations for a damn long time. It might not have looked it does now but it is an evolution. BMW wasn't even on their map when they started it.
Interesting ......

they made some good loking cars does that mean that the price of those cars isw coming down

Probably go up there collector items now

[daemonova]

Pontiac Headed for Junk Yard

Fabled Muscle-Car Brand Is Being Eliminated Amid GM's CutbacksArticle

By SHARON TERLEP and JOHN D. STOLL

General Motors Corp. is readying plans to ditch its fabled Pontiac, an 82-year-old division that last flourished selling sporty, muscle cars, people familiar with the matter said Friday.

During its heyday three decades ago, Pontiac was the launching ground for young auto designers and executives including John DeLorean. But its sales have tumbled 70% since their peak in 1978, and the unit in recent years has been a steady money loser.

GM has more than three months' supply of Pontiacs on dealer lots, according to Edmunds.com. Last month, the average Pontiac sold for 22% off the sticker price, compared with the industry average of 16%, Edmunds said.

GM spokesman Jim Hopson said no final decision on Pontiac's future has been made. But he said nothing is guaranteed. "Everything has been put under review," Mr. Hopson said.

The auto maker, facing a June 1 federal deadline to dramatically restructure or go bankrupt, is expected to disclose next week it will eliminate or sell Pontiac, according to several people who have been briefed on the plan. The decision comes as GM must show it can make painful cuts to win continued government financing.

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A 1967 Pontiac Firebird from the brand's muscle-car heyday.
GM had said it intended to keep one or two Pontiac models. But the Obama administration is pressuring GM to accelerate its downsizing. The auto maker is working on plans to sell or liquidate its Saturn, Hummer and Saab divisions. Each has received some interest from outside buyers, but it remains unclear whether any will survive.

GM's last automotive division to be eliminated was Oldsmobile in 2000. That decision cost GM billions of dollars in dealer-buyout costs, led to messy litigation and frayed many relationships with dealers and buyers.

"Disappointment is an understatement," Russ Shelton, owner of Shelton Pontiac Buick GMC in Rochester Hills, Mich., said of word of GM's decision.

Pontiac's first model was a 1926 six-cylinder roadster called the Chief of the Sixes. In following years, the brand became known for offering sporty V8 models that were cheaper than Buicks and used components from low-cost Chevrolets.

In the 1960s, the Pontiac GTO became the founding member of Detroit's horsepower wars. That car was created by Mr. DeLorean and introduced in the fall of 1963. Shortly thereafter, Ford introduced its Mustang and Chrysler its Plymouth Barracuda as responses to GM's hit coupe.

One of Mr. DeLorean's legacies -- the so-called widetrack vehicle design -- still remains a feature of some Pontiac automobiles, and has played a role in its advertising messages.

In the 1970s, Pontiac went into decline as the Arab oil embargo drove up gasoline prices and consumers turned away from gas guzzlers. Pontiac enjoyed a brief resurgence in the 1980s when gas prices fell and GM accompanied its "Pontiac Excitement" marketing campaigns with smaller cars that had bigger engines, such as the Trans Am and Firebird.

In recent years, Pontiac has struggled to carve out an identity of its own. Attempts to revive its nameplates, including the GTO, have fallen flat due to a lack of design flair. Those efforts were also stymied by the bland minivans and sedans that Pontiac produced.

The GMC brand of trucks and sport-utility vehicles could also be in danger. The Obama auto task force, noting that GMC sells models similar to Chevrolet, has pressed GM to make a convincing case the brand should survive.

To avoid bankruptcy, GM is scrambling to complete an offer for a public debt swap that would eliminate $27 billion in unsecured debt. The auto maker has been unable to strike a deal with an ad hoc committee representing bondholders. But federal regulations require that GM must make the offering by Monday to have the swap complete by June 1.

[KemmetAziz]

Interesting ......
Probably go up there collector items now

Not quite homie, Pontiac going under means all their cars will be even cheaper than they are now. You should be able to cop a '07 Grand Prix for hella cheap right now, like 5-8K. Thats good if you trying to get one, but if you already have one and try to sell it or trade it in thats not so good. The GTO may become a collectors item, but the Series II 3800 engines in those Grand Prix's and Bonnevilles is @ss, all these cheap @ss American car brands need to die, Chevy and Caddy are the only ones that need to survive

[Kalon2000]

wants a G8 GXP for free. Watch how many people go buy grand prix's, g6's, and g8...

outside of the g8 i wouldnt be caught dead in any of those. I feel sorry for anyone still paying notes on cars from these dying brands.

Nissan FTW!

[rapandhiphopfan]

I Will miss pontiac for real, I Remember the days of the 1982 Pontiac firebird trans-am, this was KITT, not this phony ass mustang.

See this commercial at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI06RFqt4m4&fmt=18

[JKFrazier]

The G8 and Solstice are going to be worth some money in 20 years.

[RekkaPryde]

I liked the G6 and like yall said, the G8 is piffery.


But that Aztek....smh

[KemmetAziz]

The G8 and Solstice are going to be worth some money in 20 years.


You are insane, the G8 is a decent car, but it's not a classic by any means. Go check out your nearest Pontiac dealer, the price of everything on the lot went down 35% the Monday after that news was annouced. My cousin just copped a 07 Grand Prix for $5500 from the dealer. SMH @ niccas trying to make those cheap pieces of sh1t into classic's, and SMH @ yall for trying to hold on to GM like that. Let it go

[King Sun]

You are insane, the G8 is a decent car, but it's not a classic by any means. Go check out your nearest Pontiac dealer, the price of everything on the lot went down 35% the Monday after that news was annouced. My cousin just copped a 07 Grand Prix for $5500 from the dealer. SMH @ niccas trying to make those cheap pieces of sh1t into classic's, and SMH @ yall for trying to hold on to GM like that. Let it go
you sound hurt for no reason at that and shut up you have no idea the **** you talking about

[KarteL13]

I'd take a Solstice. How much of them things worth now? I may kop one.

[KemmetAziz]

you sound hurt for no reason at that and shut up you have no idea the **** you talking about


Yeah ok, hold on to them American cars if you want to and watch their value go down the drain. My dad works in the auto industry and he saw the writing on the wall years ago, thats why I traded in my domestic whip and went foreign. All yall idiots with these 2000 and newer Dodge's, and Pontiac's gonna be real salty when you only get $4500 for a car that you paid 14K+ for only 3-4 years ago.

[King Sun]

Yeah ok, hold on to them American cars if you want to and watch their value go down the drain. My dad works in the auto industry and he saw the writing on the wall years ago, thats why I traded in my domestic whip and went foreign. All yall idiots with these 2000 and newer Dodge's, and Pontiac's gonna be real salty when you only get $4500 for a car that you paid 14K+ for only 3-4 years ago.
yup thats why a used 2003-2007 gto is still 20,000 grand

:ducktales:

[KemmetAziz]

yup thats why a used 2003-2007 gto is still 20,000 grand
:ducktales:


Your a fuccin idiot, 4 real. GTO's still cost 20 racks????? Go to autotrader and look them up for yourself, the average cost for them 12K, you can even find some on there for as low as 9K. And that just proved my point you freaking moron, for a car that came off the line priced in the high 30's and low 40's, to be priced at 15K (being generous) just 4 short years later is :laugh: You sound about as stupid as this ghetto broad that told me a Charger is a luxury car, you probably own one of those P.O.S. Pontiac's trying to validate your purchase and sh1t. Let it go, you better hurry up and trade that sh1t in while you can at least get a couple of racks for it. For a rear wheel drive car with a V8 and a classic name plate you would think even the GTO would hold better value. As far as those front wheel drive, V6 (the 3800 II engines in those Grand Prix's are super sorry) Grand Prix's and Bonnevilles they are dropping in value daily.

























SMH @ niccas who think paying 15K for a car, that will be worth 4K in 3 years is the move. And they wonder why we as black people cant get ahead!!!

[rbk2003]

i had the grand am

pontaic brand is ass

[Raizan]

Your a fuccin idiot, 4 real. GTO's still cost 20 racks????? Go to autotrader and look them up for yourself, the average cost for them 12K, you can even find some on there for as low as 9K. And that just proved my point you freaking moron, for a car that came off the line priced in the high 30's and low 40's, to be priced at 15K (being generous) just 4 short years later is :laugh:

Dude is actually telling the truth here. LT-1 and LS-1 Firebirds and Tran Ams for example are actually going for more than the GTO now. There's a 2006 GTO with 28k miles and a 6 speed going for $12,500 in my neighborhood. An 02 Ram Air Trans Am with 35k miles was $16,500. GM really has no one to blame but themselves. Pontiac is almost giving G8s away now...

Last winter I got free Chicago Bears tickets for taking one on a test drive!

[KemmetAziz]

Dude is actually telling the truth here. LT-1 and LS-1 Firebirds and Tran Ams for example are actually going for more than the GTO now. There's a 2006 GTO with 28k miles and a 6 speed going for $12,500 in my neighborhood. An 02 Ram Air Trans Am with 35k miles was $16,500. GM really has no one to blame but themselves. Pontiac is almost giving G8s away now...
Last winter I got free Chicago Bears tickets for taking one on a test drive!


You aint lying, this little trapper that lives in my building just copped one for 7K. He thinks he is styling, but that P.O.S. aint gonna be worth the paper the title is printed on in 2 years. I saw him in the parking deck this morning and talking about he wanna race, I wont even race him in my Ac, I'll borrow my homies 83 Hurtz Cutlass and blow that P.O.S. out the water. He dont wanna see the S Type, I've already beasted on a white boy who had a G8 not to long ago

[King Sun]

You aint lying, this little trapper that lives in my building just copped one for 7K. He thinks he is styling, but that P.O.S. aint gonna be worth the paper the title is printed on in 2 years. I saw him in the parking deck this morning and talking about he wanna race, I wont even race him in my Ac, I'll borrow my homies 83 Hurtz Cutlass and blow that P.O.S. out the water. He dont wanna see the S Type, I've already beasted on a white boy who had a G8 not to long ago
:ohmy::ducktales:

[KemmetAziz]

:ohmy::ducktales:


HAHAHAHA, ol lame @ss boi, I used to pay my rent in college off of racing niccas. They know me from the drag races on Moreland Ave in East Atlanta. Old schools with big blocks under the hood or Rice burners with Tach-O-Meters on the dash, it dont matter, Im a beast at the line


ACURA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>those cheap @ss Pontiacs you love so much

[King Sun]

HAHAHAHA, ol lame @ss boi, I used to pay my rent in college off of racing niccas. They know me from the drag races on Moreland Ave in East Atlanta. Old schools with big blocks under the hood or Rice burners with Tach-O-Meters on the dash, it dont matter, Im a beast at the line
ACURA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>those cheap @ss Pontiacs you love so much
yeah that might be the case but your lying when you said you s type out ran a straight line against a g8 maybe you was running against the wimpy v6 260 hp one :sadcam: . and like i said you seem upset for now reason

[rbk2003]

i upgraded from a pontiac to an acura

no fukking comparison. I was doing a 100 mph last night in the rain with ease.

[The Bilingual Gringo]

You aint lying, this little trapper that lives in my building just copped one for 7K. He thinks he is styling, but that P.O.S. aint gonna be worth the paper the title is printed on in 2 years. I saw him in the parking deck this morning and talking about he wanna race, I wont even race him in my Ac, I'll borrow my homies 83 Hurtz Cutlass and blow that P.O.S. out the water. He dont wanna see the S Type, I've already beasted on a white boy who had a G8 not to long ago

S Type?

[King Sun]

i upgraded from a pontiac to an acura

no fukking comparison. I was doing a 100 mph last night in the rain with ease.
your just retarded

[rbk2003]

Its a type s he meant that's what I got. **** is a beast on the pavement

[KemmetAziz]

yeah that might be the case but your lying when you said you s type out ran a straight line against a g8 maybe you was running against the wimpy v6 260 hp one :sadcam: . and like i said you seem upset for now reason


Naw homie, it was a GT. Whats so hard to believe about that??? Acura's are not slow homie. But yeah I am upset, I got caught in the cheap @ss American car trap myself just last year. I had a Charger, and the P.O.S. tranny literally threw up tranny fluid one day out of no where at just around 35K, then the tranny died complety about 20K miles later. It was all good because they fixed the car under warranty free of charge, but still, thats why I have a car note to avoid sh1t like that. Not even touching on the small things that went wrong like the cheap @ss paint, broken window motors, and rocker panels that come off. What was not all good was when I went to trade the car in last year and I only got 5.5K for a car that I payed 16K for not even 2 years before. SMH and LOL @ the multitude of idiots in every city from coast to coast that push Chargers, Grand Prixs, Magnums, Bonnevilles, G8's or whatever "nicca" car is hot at the moment. Yall dumb fools might as well flush the money down the toilet!!

[rbk2003]

acura for the win. got this in my e-mail today

http://content.mkt912.com/ra/2009/05/12/2532100/h1_TSX1.jpg_2.jpe

[rbk2003]

Naw homie, it was a GT. Whats so hard to believe about that??? Acura's are not slow homie. But yeah I am upset, I got caught in the cheap @ss American car trap myself just last year. I had a Charger, and the P.O.S. tranny literally threw up tranny fluid one day out of no where at just around 35K, then the tranny died complety about 20K miles later. It was all good because they fixed the car under warranty free of charge, but still, thats why I have a car note to avoid sh1t like that. Not even touching on the small things that went wrong like the cheap @ss paint, broken window motors, and rocker panels that come off. Was was not all good was when I went to trade the car in last year and I only got 5.5K for a car that I payed 16K for not even 2 years before. SMH and LOL @ the multitude of idiots in every city from coast to coast that push Chargers, Grand Prixs, Magnums, Bonnevilles, G8's or whatever "nicca" car is hot at the moment. Yall dumb fools might as well flush the money down the toilet!!
are dudes really vouching for the pontiac :thumbsdow

this is not the 70s :laugh:

American cars dont hold their value....

[KemmetAziz]

are dudes really vouching for the pontiac :thumbsdow

this is not the 70s :laugh:

American cars dont hold their value....


LOL, I know right. Whats crazy is that these dudes dont realize that the parts for them joints shot thru the roof as soon as GM axed the line. So unless that 3800 Series II engine gonna run as dependele as a inline 4 Honda engine, niccas gonna be going broke over routine maintanence, let alone something big. But it's not gonna happen, that 3800 II engine in those Pontiacs aint worth a damn

[King Sun]

LOL, I know right. Whats crazy is that these dudes dont realize that the parts for them joints shot thru the roof as soon as GM axed the line. So unless that 3800 Series II engine gonna run as dependele as a inline 4 Honda engine, niccas gonna be going broke over routine maintanence, let alone something big. But it's not gonna happen, that 3800 II engine in those Pontiacs aint worth a damn
this how ignorant you are they dont even make the 3800II anymore its the 3800III.

[KemmetAziz]

this how ignorant you are they dont even make the 3800II anymore its the 3800III.


Whatever you knew what I meant, my first car was a 93 LeSabre and it had a 3800 series 1, that engine wasnt worth a flip. My ex had a Grand Prix with a series II 3800 and that one wasnt worth a flip either. So Im quite sure the series III aint any better. Stop trying to defend those peices of sh1t, you must own a Pontiac or something??? take the advice I gave you earlier---- SELL THAT PIECE OF SH!T WHILE YOU CAN STILL GET A FEW RACKS FOR IT AMERICAN CARS ARE DEAD except for Chevy and Caddy. Most of the niccas I know (including myself) started selling or trading in their American slabs last summer for imports. Boy you late

[Mowgli]

Whatever you knew what I meant, my first car was a 93 LeSabre and it had a 3800 series 1, that engine wasnt worth a flip. My ex had a Grand Prix with a series II 3800 and that one wasnt worth a flip either. So Im quite sure the series III aint any better. Stop trying to defend those peices of sh1t, you must own a Pontiac or something??? take the advice I gave you earlier---- SELL THAT PIECE OF SH!T WHILE YOU CAN STILL GET A FEW RACKS FOR IT AMERICAN CARS ARE DEAD except for Chevy and Caddy. Most of the niccas I know (including myself) started selling or trading in their American slabs last summer for imports. Boy you late

Damn thanks for this post. I almost bought that piece of sh1t G8. Gettin a 06 TL instead. VROOOM

[beaniemac]

wants a G8 GXP for free. Watch how many people go buy grand prix's, g6's, and g8...

outside of the g8 i wouldnt be caught dead in any of those. I feel sorry for anyone still paying notes on cars from these dying brands.

Nissan FTW!

That's y I stay buying japanese FTW

[beaniemac]

acura for the win. got this in my e-mail today

http://content.mkt912.com/ra/2009/05/12/2532100/h1_TSX1.jpg_2.jpe

I got an acura tl now. My last car was an acura cl. Before that was a honda accord.

[mrsnifles2]

Whatever you knew what I meant, my first car was a 93 LeSabre and it had a 3800 series 1, that engine wasnt worth a flip. My ex had a Grand Prix with a series II 3800 and that one wasnt worth a flip either. So Im quite sure the series III aint any better. Stop trying to defend those peices of sh1t, you must own a Pontiac or something??? take the advice I gave you earlier---- SELL THAT PIECE OF SH!T WHILE YOU CAN STILL GET A FEW RACKS FOR IT AMERICAN CARS ARE DEAD except for Chevy and Caddy. Most of the niccas I know (including myself) started selling or trading in their American slabs last summer for imports. Boy you late

You crazy if you think the series II 3800 was bad. The engine was top 20 for like 8 years. Good solid engine. Outside of the one manufacturing mistake it had, it kicked major ass. The only problem this engine had was it being put in heavy cars and not ever being put in a car with a manual.

And your logic is flawed. 1 and 2 was bad so 3 must be bad too. Yep makes sense. You're quite sure yet you haven't looked into it. Good argument.

[Ollie Williams]

Damn thanks for this post. I almost bought that piece of sh1t G8. Gettin a 06 TL instead. VROOOM

G8 has a 3.5L or 3.9L it's the same engine in the Imapala's and Malibu's

[KemmetAziz]

You crazy if you think the series II 3800 was bad. The engine was top 20 for like 8 years. Good solid engine. Outside of the one manufacturing mistake it had, it kicked major ass. The only problem this engine had was it being put in heavy cars and not ever being put in a car with a manual.

And your logic is flawed. 1 and 2 was bad so 3 must be bad too. Yep makes sense. You're quite sure yet you haven't looked into it. Good argument.

Naw I had a 93 LeSabre with a Series 1, that sh1t sucked and an ex of mine had a series II in a Grand Prix that sucked as well. What you said about big cars with the 3800 makes sense though. But I still cant fuc with Pontiac, they lose to much in value. Maybe yall niccas in a better position fianancially than I am, but I think about sh1t like the trade in value when I cop a car, thats why Im coppin str8 Jap whips cuz they hold their value better.


Honda & Acura >>>>>>>> anything GM

But to each his own

[HighPostLikeHakeem]

Naw I had a 93 LeSabre with a Series 1, that sh1t sucked and an ex of mine had a series II in a Grand Prix that sucked as well. What you said about big cars with the 3800 makes sense though. But I still cant fuc with Pontiac, they lose to much in value. Maybe yall niccas in a better position fianancially than I am, but I think about sh1t like the trade in value when I cop a car, thats why Im coppin str8 Jap whips cuz they hold their value better.
Honda & Acura >>>>>>>> anything GM
But to each his own
I could see if you said Nissan/Infiniti, but Acura? Them ****s look like Decepticons with extra chromosomes.