Will Rock and Roll die?????

[TheT Organization]

I watched the Justice "Across The Universe" DVD. Here are two musically talented french dudes rocking madison square garden with two laptops. When I really thought about it...it made me think that we won't be far away from the time where people aren't even motivated to make music by traditional means.

We're already at a point in time where guitar hero is madly popular, rap has become techno, you can now spin vinyl with a laptop and a set of turntables, and anyone can download fruity loops for free because many people own computers.

All of these flash in the pan Teen Love/AP bands don't seem to be adding anything new either. I wait for the next Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc...that one solidified musical movement that kicks your ass and into submission and makes you a rock fanatic, and it's hardly there anymore. everytime I see DJs or electronic acts, the energy is just off the charts. Sure, I like punk shows, but I feel that the generational gap between real punk of the 90s, 80s, 70s and hot topic/monsterxxl screamo punk has made it a bit harder for me to get into newer bands. They seem to sound the same to me and really can't rock. The "hipster" (ugh...) rock scene has seemed to be a poor attempt at mimicking 80s new wave with 2000s irony, and comes off as horribly pretentious. Needless to say, as long as there's myspace and artists continuing to do their thing, digital, 7", cd, I'll be satisfied with rock on the underground level where it's raw and uninhibted.

On a mainstream level...I really don't know what to really say about where it might go. It was more exciting to me in the late eighties and nineties...I can't really get into it anymore. I'm frightened to hear what horrible pisswater will be championed on Itunes in the next couple of years.













EDIT: This post was inspired by reading the line up for the 15th annual VANS WARPED TOUR>..I thought it was kind of pathetic that it's gone on for that long and the lineup has gotten worse every year. 96-2001>>>>>

[TheT Organization]

When artists become too self-aware of the creative atmosphere they are in...it can be deadly!!!


1950s- Rock N Roll is underground waiting to get pushed by on the mainstream...kids eat it up

1960s- Becomes the soundtrack of a generation

1970s- Becomes a Spectacle in its own (stadium rock era)...becomes the answer to disco, punk emerges etc

1980s- MTV, New Wave, hardcore, skate rock, hair metal, more stadium rock, the Madchester movement, etc.

1990s- The greatest era for rock IMO. I was young and loving all of it!!! Rage Against the Machines, the Pixies, Rancid, The Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Pennywise, Deftones, punk, EBM, industrial, skacore, swing, thrash rock, etc etc....I felt that things hit a peak here. and once 1999 came, that was it...

2000s- Okay, no realy definitive movement, no real defining sounds, other than lots of synths, and lots of overdub and pro-tools. Why are people mimicking styles already done. Part of the problem with "hipsters" is their love of referencing shyt. It's already been done though...nostalgia aside, you're making the musical landscape look bad by trying to sound like "Born to Run" era Bruce Springsteen amidst weaing American Apparel outfits. This is the sign of becoming too self aware of your surroundings and the artistic enviroment. The "honest" rock movement is waning on me. I feel like the bands are mature, sophisticated, take rock their way, but are boring with it. Every band is trying to mimic another band trying to mimic another band that you've never heard of because only seven people listen to them. Which can be cool...if done right.

I don't even think it was because I was young, because I was listening to CIV'S "SET YOUR GOALS" two days ago and loved every minute of it just like when I first bought it on casette in 1995.

That's all I can think of when I think of all of these bands now...boring!!! My generation of rock fans were about going to shows to throw down in the pit...this generation of rock fans is about standing with their hands in their pockets, talking about who their stalking on facebook, and crying in their sleep.

[Fries]

When artists become too self-aware of the creative atmosphere they are in...it can be deadly!!!


1950s- Rock N Roll is underground waiting to get pushed by on the mainstream...kids eat it up

1960s- Becomes the soundtrack of a generation

1970s- Becomes a Spectacle in its own (stadium rock era)...becomes the answer to disco, punk emerges etc

1980s- MTV, New Wave, hardcore, skate rock, hair metal, more stadium rock, the Madchester movement, etc.

1990s- The greatest era for rock IMO. I was young and loving all of it!!! Rage Against the Machines, the Pixies, Rancid, The Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Pennywise, Deftones, punk, EBM, industrial, skacore, swing, thrash rock, etc etc....I felt that things hit a peak here. and once 1999 came, that was it...

2000s- Okay, no realy definitive movement, no real defining sounds, other than lots of synths, and lots of overdub and pro-tools. Why are people mimicking styles already done. Part of the problem with "hipsters" is their love of referencing shyt. It's already been done though...nostalgia aside, you're making the musical landscape look bad by trying to sound like "Born to Run" era Bruce Springsteen amidst weaing American Apparel outfits. This is the sign of becoming too self aware of your surroundings and the artistic enviroment. The "honest" rock movement is waning on me. I feel like the bands are mature, sophisticated, take rock their way, but are boring with it. Every band is trying to mimic another band trying to mimic another band that you've never heard of because only seven people listen to them. Which can be cool...if done right.

I don't even think it was because I was young, because I was listening to CIV'S "SET YOUR GOALS" two days ago and loved every minute of it just like when I first bought it on casette in 1995.

That's all I can think of when I think of all of these bands now...boring!!! My generation of rock fans were about going to shows to throw down in the pit...this generation of rock fans is about standing with their hands in their pockets, talking about who their stalking on facebook, and crying in their sleep.

I'm confused about what your point is, exactly. Are you saying that traditional rock will disappear as non-traditional methods of making music proliferate, that rock musicians/fans are pussies or that rock music just sucks now?

Assuming it's the second, people said Rock was dead in the early 80's when it was all about AOR. I'm sure people said Rock was dead in the late 90's when it was Rap-rock and Nu-metal all the way. What makes you think that it's any deader now than it was in the early 80's with Flock of Seagulls and Duran Duran? There are definitely some defining movements in rock this decade - dirty garage sounding bands like the White Stripes or Jay Reatard's various projects, the NY underground scene of the early decade, the UK indie scene from 2004-2007 (or so) and the overarching Dance Rock sub-genre, math-rock, even Anti-Folk around the time Juno dropped - lots of bands are tied together under these umbrella sounds.

You're one of the smartest posters on SOHH, I'm just not sure where you're going with this topic. That said, rock is splintering. Sales draw copycats and inevitably create a sound - had Nirvana never blown up I doubt we'd be hearing about the other Chicago-based bands today. Without the sales and with the internet/myspace/whatever, you're not getting one defining sound, you're getting several. I'll agree with you about the nostalgia sound though, and some of the genres I listed are pretty much full of nostalgia acts. And there's much less mans-man rock being made. Still, I hardly think rock is dying/dead.

Just for reference, I was 14 at the start of the decade and had pretty much just started listening to music. I'm sure that changes my outlook somewhat.

[TheT Organization]

I'm confused about what your point is, exactly. Are you saying that traditional rock will disappear as non-traditional methods of making music proliferate, that rock musicians/fans are pussies or that rock music just sucks now?

Assuming it's the second, people said Rock was dead in the early 80's when it was all about AOR. I'm sure people said Rock was dead in the late 90's when it was Rap-rock and Nu-metal all the way. What makes you think that it's any deader now than it was in the early 80's with Flock of Seagulls and Duran Duran? There are definitely some defining movements in rock this decade - dirty garage sounding bands like the White Stripes or Jay Reatard's various projects, the NY underground scene of the early decade, the UK indie scene from 2004-2007 (or so) and the overarching Dance Rock sub-genre, math-rock, even Anti-Folk around the time Juno dropped - lots of bands are tied together under these umbrella sounds.

You're one of the smartest posters on SOHH, I'm just not sure where you're going with this topic. That said, rock is splintering. Sales draw copycats and inevitably create a sound - had Nirvana never blown up I doubt we'd be hearing about the other Chicago-based bands today. Without the sales and with the internet/myspace/whatever, you're not getting one defining sound, you're getting several. I'll agree with you about the nostalgia sound though, and some of the genres I listed are pretty much full of nostalgia acts. And there's much less mans-man rock being made. Still, I hardly think rock is dying/dead.

Just for reference, I was 14 at the start of the decade and had pretty much just started listening to music. I'm sure that changes my outlook somewhat.


That second post was some of my personal opinion on the rock scene as of late. Don't take any of that too seriously. I just wanted to throw that out there as some of my own personal opinions on music as of late. I listen to alot of it, I enjoy it, but at the same time, eh...I don't know. I have my tastes.


I think I was getting at with the original post that...pretty soon, the generations of new will be so consumed by technology and the ease of making music with a computer, that people will just view stuff played with actual instruments as a thing of the past.

for example, I wouldn't be surprised if someone could figure out how to rig one of those guitar hero guitars up to a midi controller so they could tweak individual tones and play them on an amp...or the drum set. and then take it to that level. It's an improvement, but still, no strings. Like, that kind of level.

I was thinking about how Justice was recently rumored to be playing a set with wireless usb midi controllers, when it was said they were playing a set recorded off of a CD. Then I thought about guitar hero and thought about the South Park episode that was a rip on it. It doesn't seem that far fetched to think the electronic guitar will take place of the electric guitar. Like the keyboard piano guitar that was big in the 80s.

[DAREALBIGMEECH]

I hope all that mainstream **** like screamo and crappy post grunge dies and goes into a drain. But all the acts I saw at coachella gave me hope for the future. and the cure totally kicked my a**

btw justice played at the wamu theater not the actual msg

[Fries]

That second post was some of my personal opinion on the rock scene as of late. Don't take any of that too seriously. I just wanted to throw that out there as some of my own personal opinions on music as of late. I listen to alot of it, I enjoy it, but at the same time, eh...I don't know. I have my tastes.
I think I was getting at with the original post that...pretty soon, the generations of new will be so consumed by technology and the ease of making music with a computer, that people will just view stuff played with actual instruments as a thing of the past.
for example, I wouldn't be surprised if someone could figure out how to rig one of those guitar hero guitars up to a midi controller so they could tweak individual tones and play them on an amp...or the drum set. and then take it to that level. It's an improvement, but still, no strings. Like, that kind of level.
I was thinking about how Justice was recently rumored to be playing a set with wireless usb midi controllers, when it was said they were playing a set recorded off of a CD. Then I thought about guitar hero and thought about the South Park episode that was a rip on it. It doesn't seem that far fetched to think the electronic guitar will take place of the electric guitar. Like the keyboard piano guitar that was big in the 80s.

People are already modifying their guitar hero controllers to be sorts of midi keyboards, but I think that's just part of the creative nature of music construction and I'm not sure how much it would catch on. Granted, Guitar Hero controllers are everywhere, but there's probably only one musician in the world with the time, practice and proficiency to make and play the drumitar.

To me, Justice's live shows are little more than a light spectacle. There's not really much involved with what they're doing but they put on a decent enough show in the same vein as Daft Punk. A lot of their music uses live drums and bass, however distorted and filtered they might be.

The idea of electronic music taking over from woodwind/brass/stringed instruments go back to the 70's and Stevie's obsession with the Moog. For now, at least, electronic instruments can deliver an approximation but lack the tone and depth of classical - and electric - instruments. It is worrying that that one day won't be the case and music will be nothing but the pressing of a button to come up with a complete melody (I'm sick of dance and Hip-Hop producers overusing the arpeggiate function, by the way) but I'm holding out hope for the inherent creativity of people.

[Rock=Greatness]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxGGckAc1rs

[BreakCanon]

I watched the Justice "Across The Universe" DVD. Here are two musically talented french dudes rocking madison square garden with two laptops. When I really thought about it...it made me think that we won't be far away from the time where people aren't even motivated to make music by traditional means.

We're already at a point in time where guitar hero is madly popular, rap has become techno, you can now spin vinyl with a laptop and a set of turntables, and anyone can download fruity loops for free because many people own computers.

All of these flash in the pan Teen Love/AP bands don't seem to be adding anything new either. I wait for the next Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc...that one solidified musical movement that kicks your ass and into submission and makes you a rock fanatic, and it's hardly there anymore. everytime I see DJs or electronic acts, the energy is just off the charts. Sure, I like punk shows, but I feel that the generational gap between real punk of the 90s, 80s, 70s and hot topic/monsterxxl screamo punk has made it a bit harder for me to get into newer bands. They seem to sound the same to me and really can't rock. The "hipster" (ugh...) rock scene has seemed to be a poor attempt at mimicking 80s new wave with 2000s irony, and comes off as horribly pretentious. Needless to say, as long as there's myspace and artists continuing to do their thing, digital, 7", cd, I'll be satisfied with rock on the underground level where it's raw and uninhibted.

On a mainstream level...I really don't know what to really say about where it might go. It was more exciting to me in the late eighties and nineties...I can't really get into it anymore. I'm frightened to hear what horrible pisswater will be championed on Itunes in the next couple of years.













EDIT: This post was inspired by reading the line up for the 15th annual VANS WARPED TOUR>..I thought it was kind of pathetic that it's gone on for that long and the lineup has gotten worse every year. 96-2001>>>>>

Preach.

[BreakCanon]

Rock n' Roll is dead for now. It's basically a corpse animated by puppet strings at this point.

I anticipate something similar to the 70's punk movement happening in the next ten years. Things have become so stale and bloated that a return to the basics is in order. People seem to have forgotten what real rock sounds like (*cough* Chuck Berry *cough* *cough*). It's almost as if contemporary bands have forgotten the blues roots of the genre. The result is compartmentalized sub-classes like indie (which has become the new pop), metal, pseudo-punk (i.e. neutered punk), and experimental bullsht which sounds like crap.

Don't get me wrong. There are some outfits which attain an average degree of awesomeness (Modest Mouse, Social Distortion, Beck, some classic holdovers like John Fogerty, and AC/DC). But there is nothing recent that is as jaw dropping as Led Zeppelin, The Clash, The Stooges, The Doors, Replacements, Bob Dylan, Gun n' Roses (the original and real Guns 'n Roses), or CCR. They call it classic rock for a reason, and devote whole radio stations to the stuff without any modern filler. The rock that came out yesterday and today WILL NOT be considered classic in any age, at least by people who truly give a damn about music.

[U on Dat Yayo Mayne]

I always come to this section of sohh when I need a good laugh, stick to rap guys.

[BreakCanon]

I always come to this section of sohh when I need a good laugh, stick to rap guys.

I always come to this section of sohh when I need a good laugh, stick to rap guy.

[U on Dat Yayo Mayne]

I always come to this section of sohh when I need a good laugh, stick to rap guy.

Fail.

[StreetSweeper]

Rap will die first.

[Sonny Blaze]

I've also felt like this for a while.. Aside from various metal bands I listen to and artists like the Black Keys, rock in nearly all of it's forms is pretty much done for me.. Most of these "indie" (I use that term loosely, it's pop music) bands that are out are gonna be soon forgotten by this time next year, save maybe 1 or 2.. I just can't get into most stuff that gets released nowadays.. I look back at when I first started listening to "indie" stuff back in '02, 03, bands like Interpol, The Strokes, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, all that NY dance punk stuff, whatever, I barely listen to any of that shiit anymore, save Interpol's debut.. All of these flash in the pan bands get hyped to a ridiculous degree by online webzines like Pitchfork claiming they are the next big thing, us as the fans by into this shiit, and when the record is finally released it's a massive failure or it's forgotten about by the next time an overhyped band comes along, sometimes even shiitted on by the same website that hyped them up to begin with, look at the Black Kids/Pitchfork situation as a perfect example of what I'm talking about.. I mean, is anyone still listening to that Vampire Weekend from last year?.. Basically all you get nowadays is a whole lotta hype surrounding a bunch of pop albums that have nearly zero replay value.. Sorry for typing up a fuucking essay, I am basically saying I co-sign what you said TheT..
Oh yea...
I always come to this section of sohh when I need a good laugh, stick to rap guys.
And when I need a good laugh all I gotta do is pull up one of your posts, like the time you suggested that all of us in this section should make more threads about "real rock bands like DISTURBED".. Keep posting man, we all could use a laugh...

[Tetris v2.0]

Rock N Roll is sort of like Hip-Hop is the sense that it sucked for so long on a mainstream level that people just completely reappropriated it. Its like how the indie culture is helping keep hip-hop afloat creatively right now.

Rock will never really die, it will attach itself to whatever is popular until it finds a way to sustain itself on its own again

[THE 101]

Ya'll must've missed Neil Young's memo.

[Fries]

Ya'll must've missed Neil Young's memo.

Unless it said "I'm an old coot and no-one should listen to a word that comes out of my crazy old mouth" yes, I did

[TheT Organization]

Good convo.

I think it's just that to me, the ease of getting on a computer or using electronic musical equipment will make conventional means of making music obsolete.

If you look at what Lee Scratch Perry and King Tubby, to name a few were doing in the late sixties and seventies with dub reggae, what Herbie Hancock and a number of seventies Jazz artists were doing with their music with arps and hammonds, to what Kraftwerk was doing with simple beat sequencing techniques, it's proven that music progresses with technology. As long as people have ideas for songs, there will be some sort of mode of communication via. music/internet/equipment to get it out there.

Case in point, the dubstep scene....it started out in the UK as a bunch of kids using PS2 music production games to make that sound that's now very popular.

As someone who grew up on video games, I've always been fascinated by the sounds machines make...so I guess I'm saying is that there have been aloty of people generationally who have the same sort of fascination.

Now, if you look at things...Djs and Electronic Musicians are equalling rockstars in popularity...but it has been like that for a while. Oakenfold, Digweed, Corstein...but now, people like Ricardo Villalobos, Richie Hawtin (Plastikman), Diplo, Boys Noize, Surkin, The ed Banger crew, as well as a number of others have managed to gain popularity.

Diplo, as well...is one of those people who has managed to use what he has been able to do via. Hollertronix and travels to other places to bring sounds from other continents into a new context in electronic dance music.

Which goes to what I was about to say about the Baltimore/Philly club scene. I think the people involved with the scene have really gained alot of popularity amongst electronic dance music heads simply because of it's incorporation of hip-hop in a danceable format. That's why it has been getting shine amongst publications like the Fader, URB, XLR8r, etc. As well, as long as computers and beat making programs are available, then there will be people getting their ideas out. Which probably accounts for all of the great electronic music coming out of Africa, Brazil, Puerto Rico, Asia, Europe, etc...more so now then ever.

People like Jeff Mills, legendary Detroit techno producer, basically hinted upon the idea that the formula behind dance music is easily interpreted past many things...culture, ethnicity, nationality, etc. The 4x4 rhythm format is probably the reason that disco was so popular in the seventies. Because it could be translated easily in discotechques by it's patrons. New York and Chicago mainly made this style of music popular from people like Frankie Knuckles and Larry Levan.

by the end of the seventies, into the eighties, disco died in the U.S. and eurodisco, italo disco (Italian disco) emerged as music that could be sold and distributed through the area that would support the dance scenes in Europe. DETROIT however is where Techno really came to be. It was underground dance music devoid of any sort of persona or image behind the music other than the music. Like punk rock, it thrived on being against the mainstream.

As far as the idea of power is concerned....the eighties rock bands were about displaying power through guitars, bass, drums...but mainly DISTORTION. Distortion made nineties rock what it is to date.

Which leads me to add, Thomas Bangaulter and Guy Manuel De-Homem Christo of Daft Punk were originally in a punk band called Darlin' in the early nineties...they quit and formed Daft Punk in 1996. They released Homework that same year and the rest is history.

[TheT Organization]

Also...you have to think about the idea behind GENRE that short sights people....

REally...what's the difference between this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5kKUtTX0yU

and this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCdWi-EW7yY

[Copper Scroll]

I think it's just that to me, the ease of getting on a computer or using electronic musical equipment will make conventional means of making music obsolete.
Using computer equipment can definitely be more efficient, so the trends you note will probably continue. But I'd be careful about talk of obsolescence. As far as I know, Lee Perry never stopped using live bass and Herbie Hancock never stopped playing acoustic piano. As long as there are things you can do on live instruments that you just can't do with electronic gear, then I'm sure somebody will keep playing instruments and somebody will probably listen to them.

Good post.

[Pronay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxGGckAc1rs

smilikumeanit (1 day ago)
my mom currently works with the drummer of this band in a lamp factory... haha no joke

[Art Barr]

computer's don't have anything to do with it.

the destruction of the cultures of white rock n roll, via commercialization is what has damaged rock..

the quality of the bands,.is the issue...they all sound overproduced, like they don't know which way is up. nor what the foundation of the music is they make.

even the metal scene is phuck'd up...you still gotta listen to older groups, when rock should always have some new bands regardless.


art barr

[BreakCanon]

computer's don't have anything to do with it.
the destruction of the cultures of white rock n roll, via commercialization is what has damaged rock..
the quality of the bands,.is the issue...they all sound overproduced, like they don't know which way is up. nor what the foundation of the music is they make.
even the metal scene is phuck'd up...you still gotta listen to older groups, when rock should always have some new bands regardless.
art barr

Good post. I agree with you about listening to older groups. You'd be surprised about how many excellent bands fell under the radar during their own time. It's a shame that one has to dig to find good music in time capsules, but dig deep enough and you'll find some good sht.

[Jon Pop]

Rock sucks because white people took it over. The more blacks were pushed out, the worse it got. These white people today have forgotten(and ignored) rocks black roots. Thats why it all sounds like sheit. White people dumb things down and make them worse. As long as they have the keys to the castle, music will be sheit.

[Jon Pop]

Rap will die first.

Those white execs are trying their hardest, but rap is safer, because the majority of the artists are the people who created it(blacks/latinos). Rock is being ruined by imposters.

[Clem]

I'm not sure why folks are always bringing up the Black Kids--their album was legitimately TERRIBLE. No hyperbole. No exaggeration. It was fukcing terrible--and it was all a result of the production. Pitchfork didn't need to be cute with the review but the album was bad.

Rock music is so dope to me right now. I can't remember a time where I've been this pleased with music.

[mansell]

montrael, canada is the answer...

[Tetris v2.0]

montrael, canada is the answer...
:chef:

[TheT Organization]

I've also felt like this for a while.. Aside from various metal bands I listen to and artists like the Black Keys, rock in nearly all of it's forms is pretty much done for me.. Most of these "indie" (I use that term loosely, it's pop music) bands that are out are gonna be soon forgotten by this time next year, save maybe 1 or 2.. I just can't get into most stuff that gets released nowadays.. I look back at when I first started listening to "indie" stuff back in '02, 03, bands like Interpol, The Strokes, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, all that NY dance punk stuff, whatever, I barely listen to any of that shiit anymore, save Interpol's debut.. All of these flash in the pan bands get hyped to a ridiculous degree by online webzines like Pitchfork claiming they are the next big thing, us as the fans by into this shiit, and when the record is finally released it's a massive failure or it's forgotten about by the next time an overhyped band comes along, sometimes even shiitted on by the same website that hyped them up to begin with, look at the Black Kids/Pitchfork situation as a perfect example of what I'm talking about.. I mean, is anyone still listening to that Vampire Weekend from last year?.. Basically all you get nowadays is a whole lotta hype surrounding a bunch of pop albums that have nearly zero replay value.. Sorry for typing up a fuucking essay, I am basically saying I co-sign what you said TheT..
Oh yea...
And when I need a good laugh all I gotta do is pull up one of your posts, like the time you suggested that all of us in this section should make more threads about "real rock bands like DISTURBED".. Keep posting man, we all could use a laugh...


I feel the same way about the Pitchfork/Hype Machine/blog music scene in a way...that hype gets put on a higher pedestal than substance. Yeah, the art rock/commercial indie rock of the early part of this decade has produced many forgettable bands, but it's also has it's great bands. The White Stripes, Interpol, !!!, Battles, Salem....but I'm honestly surprised now at how many of these bands have come out and I can't even remember them now other than how they dressed and the same style of music every band seems to have at this point.

[TheT Organization]

Using computer equipment can definitely be more efficient, so the trends you note will probably continue. But I'd be careful about talk of obsolescence. As far as I know, Lee Perry never stopped using live bass and Herbie Hancock never stopped playing acoustic piano. As long as there are things you can do on live instruments that you just can't do with electronic gear, then I'm sure somebody will keep playing instruments and somebody will probably listen to them.

Just to let you know, I've played the guitar, flute, piano, bass guitar, violin, drums, clarinet, and the recorder. I have my foundations and honestly, there are many things that live instrumentation can provide that computers and drum machines can't. I wouldn't want to stop playing instruments at all myself, simply because the older I get, I'm trying to learn how to play more instruments just to be a well rounded musician/music head.

For example, I've always wanted to start a hardcore thrash/surf rock band, but never could on my own as far as meeting the right people and honing a stylized sound that came together. I was in a band called PFN around '99-2000 and I was the second lead singer in the group. It was a hardcore band, but the lead singer at the time wanted to steer the band in the direction of some 3 doors down bull**** and no one was feeling it so the band eventually broke up. There are alot of great bands out there, but the thing about being in a band is that you aren't ion it alone...you've got to work with people and sort of have the same vision and the same style of playing, but you can have different styles and everything else on your own. I guess what I'm saying is that it comes all the way down to chemisty on your own musically and how that comes together with everyone else's visions. It's that artistic conflict that makes bands fall apart and I saw it firsthand!!!

I think to that my friend at the time was trying to get the band famous and got a huge ego and eventually resulted in trying to make pop hits for women. When we started the band, we were playing RATM covers!


But I agree that instruments will never go out of style.

[TheT Organization]

I'm not sure why folks are always bringing up the Black Kids--their album was legitimately TERRIBLE. No hyperbole. No exaggeration. It was fukcing terrible--and it was all a result of the production. Pitchfork didn't need to be cute with the review but the album was bad.

Rock music is so dope to me right now. I can't remember a time where I've been this pleased with music.


I agree. this has actually been a great decade for music IMO. I think the people that say otherwise are only judging on a commercial standpoint and are still relying on the radio and TV for their kicks.